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Anonymous Mon Jul 13 18:28:31 2015 No.6821300 [DELETED]

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>Jesus never existed

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 18:29:17 2015 No.6821304 He didn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 18:29:53 2015 No.6821310 Does his existence or nonexistence matter at all? Jesus is man made into concept

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 18:32:04 2015 No.6821320 >literature board never existed

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 18:32:46 2015 No.6821325 >>6821310 The Jesus of history is not the same as the Christ of faith.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 18:33:01 2015 No.6821326 File: 616 KB, 1139x877, 1436764593223.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Jesus is concept made into man :^)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 18:34:34 2015 No.6821332 >>6821326 nice reddit comic, mind if I save it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 18:38:15 2015 No.6821344 >>6821325 How come? Einstein is as human as he is icon. Tao-Lin as human as he is meme. Homer as human as he is myth. These dimensions are not split, they are add-ons

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 18:40:20 2015 No.6821350 plen here, how does quoting the Bible work in a work of fiction? As in, are there any arcane copyrights against direct quotations?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 19:31:37 2015 No.6821583 >>6821350 Depends if the translation you use is copyrighted. But even if it is, you have to quote quite a length for it to not be considered "fair use".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 19:58:15 2015 No.6821735 >>6821300 If he existed so much, why can't they find his burial place?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:00:08 2015 No.6821747 >>6821583 how many words of direct, unedited translation is needed to generally be considered plagarism?

>>	Thomas Mon Jul 13 20:00:13 2015 No.6821749 >>6821735 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_Holy_Sepulchre

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:01:32 2015 No.6821758 >>6821747 As long as it is attributed, it can't be consider plagiarism. Copyright infringement is possible, but that would have to be quite a lot of words.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:05:13 2015 No.6821787 >>6821749 >and also contains the place where Jesus is said to have been buried and resurrected >said to be

>>	Thomas Mon Jul 13 20:11:07 2015 No.6821819 >>6821787 What's wrong with that?

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:12:23 2015 No.6821823

>>6821735
He wouldn't have received a proper burial if he was executed as a traitor to Rome.

Of course it's hard to be certain exactly why he was crucified, because the accounts contain implausibilities like the release of a prisoner based on crowd approval, and a completely inaccurate depiction of a Sanhedrin trial.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:16:59 2015 No.6821849 >>6821819 Because hearsay isn't usually considered to be evidence.

Anonymous Mon Jul 13 20:20:32 2015 No.6821863

Doesn't matter whether Jesus existed or not.

The lack of continuity between testaments, muddy criteria for Christ's prophetic fulfillment, the issues with the existence of any sort of God as a tenable position (citing scarcity of evidence), insistence on faith-based confirmation criteria, directly opposed to logical argument, and over-specific conclusions about the nature of a hypothetical God, drawn from fairly broad arguments like those of Aquinas, which rather peculiarly are logic-based, and the internal inconsistencies in the way the churches and their representatives have historically behaved with regards to the tenets of their faith, and the remnant effects of "mystery-cult thinking" wherein only those inducted into the faith are considered to have a true perception of the God in question, all adds up to a great big pile of conspiracy and lies, cynically constructed to resist the pressure of an encroaching age of irrelevance.

It is grand and tragic, and I am so very bored of it by now.

Thomas Mon Jul 13 22:07:57 2015 No.6822298

>>6821849
That's as good of evidence as you can possibly expect, it being thought to be his burial from at least the second century. Any earlier than that, and you can hardly expect there to be some preservable record, because a place like Christ's burial would be known to all Christians due to the people heading the Church having been there, it would just be common knowledge, it's just a location, no one is going to think, "We better make an exact map for future scholars" when the vast majority of Christians were probably illiterate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 22:17:47 2015 No.6822350 >>6821344 Isn't there evidence to support Homer never having existed?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 22:19:14 2015 No.6822358 >>6821300 Milbank is exactly as ansolutelydisgusting.jpg as Harris.

Thomas Mon Jul 13 22:21:05 2015 No.6822367

>>6822350
No, since both of his epics had planned plots, in fact they were considered perfect use of plot, especially the second. If they were just written going along, the beginning would have been pushed back, and the ending forward. Plus each one was of far better quality than all the other epics, most of which are lost. And they have unified style.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 22:21:37 2015 No.6822372 >>6822367 Alright, you've convinced me.

>>	Thomas Mon Jul 13 22:27:39 2015 No.6822398 >>6822358 Milbank actually writes scholarly works of philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 22:34:56 2015 No.6822435 >>6822350 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeric_Question#Homer_as_the_manifestation_of_an_oral_tradition

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 22:37:24 2015 No.6822459 File: 400 KB, 640x480, 1385998145188.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6822398 >le secualrism is bad nao guys rely pass.

Thomas Mon Jul 13 22:41:05 2015 No.6822485

>>6822459
But his argument is academic

Maybe try downloading Theology and Social Theory: Beyond Secular Reason
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=334F1325BC8A6B398F07628ABE00F1C0

Just take a cursory look at it. Equating Milbank with Sam Harris is ridiculous. Peter Hitchens is a more apt comparison.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 13 22:47:43 2015 No.6822518 >>6822485 I would like you here >>6822454

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