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/lit/ has an Infinite Jest summer reading book group, and it continues TODAY! (Today is Day 29: pages 430-442)

We will be reading Infinite Jest from June 14th – August 22nd with an average pace of around 15 to 16 pages a day.

Discussions will take place right here on /lit/ every weekend, though a thread will probably float around throughout the week.


LIST OF SCENES:
http://russillosm.com/ij.html#1

OVERALL SCHEDULE:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n_1lTKBdmyQD8C1yFs2V_Q52Gfa_hCnwSjPju3lIdVA/edit#gid=0

REFERENCE SITE:
http://infinitesummer.org/

>> No.6817697

>>6817676
first for the Eschaton chapter being the best part of the book

>> No.6817702

Whenever I get to a long end-note I initially get a little pissed from being taken out of the main text, but they always wind up being some of my favorite parts of the book so far. Note 110 with Hal and Orin going through the O.N.A.N and Quebec separatism stuff was great.

>> No.6818729

>>6817697
The Eschaton chapter delivered

>> No.6818856

>>6817676
hell yes, escaton-time.
OK, so -- what y'all think wallace was tryna tell us with the kids (playing world politics/eschatology/really just lobbing 'bombs' at each other) beginning to confuse map and teritory, until only map is left?

>> No.6818870

>>6817676
I want one of those beanies. They look shit hot.

>> No.6818872

>>6817676
>tfw stopped for a couple days and BAM 140 pages behind
I'll probably finish the book a couple weeks later than we're supposed to. Will I miss out on all the epic discussions???

>> No.6818880

>>6818872
simply put...
yes.

>> No.6818884

>>6817697
>>6818729
>>6818856
>actually liking the ESCHATON chapter

David's laughing from his seat in God's right hand as we speak. It's not supposed to be funny, he's making fun at you for laughing and enjoying shit like Red Storm Rising.

>> No.6818896

>>6818884
how 'bout you explain yourself. i see how there's a thing there about fictional violence being entertaining and real violence quickly getting messy, about the dangers of coveting an idea of war, but--
bro, please. deeper meanings aside, that shit was hilarious, and dave knew it. his stated goal with most of his pre-IJ work was 'to write something that could make me fall out of my seat laughing'.

>> No.6818951

>>6818884
average /lit/ browser

>> No.6818985

>>6818896
also the real violence is hilarious, particularly because it happens to Ingersoll/Penn/LaMont/etc. I feel a bit bad for Lord but that's what happens when you don't listen to the Peemster.

>> No.6819006

>>6818985
Honestly it felt more like Pemulis was fucking with him because he was bored and just could.

>> No.6819015

>>6818856
It seemed to me to be showing that there is a disconnect between what we as Americans are able to comprehend and accept about the abstraction of worldly things and the actuality of them, and the way that it is so easy for people to succumb to pure abstraction rather than dealing with actuality due to abstractions being easier to cope with.

When they started getting down to the nitty gritty of the game, it became clear that some players couldn't actually see the reality of the world which they based their game off of, and the map/territory was the breaking point in an argument between some players (Penn, Ingersoll) ideas that the game should be viewed as an actuality of the world, with weather conditions and player locations legitimate, and other players (Pemulis, Kittenplan) desire to maintain the abstraction of maps as independent from the territory rather than interdependent, and the ultimate submission to abstraction over actuality due to it simply being easier.

Penn launched on Israel due to that being Pakistans actual goal, but others claim that the map is simply a map and not the territories themselves, so unless the abstraction is amended the actuality of the territories does not matter simply because it would make it more complicated to keep all actualities in mind without players representing the abstractions. Same thing with Kitteplan getting hit with the ball, despite Lord needing to run between players to deliver messages because THAT abstraction is accepted, Ingersoll gets criticized for claiming that the players can be targets and that them being within his blast radius means they (as arms of their territories) are now dead.

At the end of the day, this argument between abstraction and actuality caused such a big commotion that the world within Eschaton went into Utter Global Crisis, and actually led to what I would argue is the complete destruction of this fake world by the destruction of the TP monitor and the files containing the information on Eschaton.

I apologize if any of this seemed like rambling, I am very tired and it is hard to put exactly how I felt about the chapter into a simple explanation.

>> No.6819057
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6819057

>>6817676
Reposting this schedule for those who want it.

>> No.6819150

>>6818884
If you genuinely believe that he would mock someone for finding enjoyment in his work then I am afraid you have vastly misinterpreted the kind of author that he was.

>> No.6819162

>>6818856
A history of literary postmodernism under the guise of geeks throwing tennis balls at each other.

>> No.6819171

>>6818884
dfw loves airport genre trash
the sum of all fears is literally on his top 10 list

>> No.6819334

p.436-442 Luria P interrupts Tine and tells him "whinge" is a Canadian idiom. Is this a hint that Luria P is in fact Avril since it has been mentioned earlier that "whinge" is a term used in Incandenza's house mainly because Avril is Canadian and uses the term?

>> No.6819340

>>6819334
Shit I just realized this is Mario's take on what happened in the meeting and not necessarily the actual discussion that took place.
>disregard pls

>> No.6819362

>tfw I started on Friday and am only on page 60

>> No.6819371

>tfw when you overlook a footnote and find out when you read the next one and then you have to go back and frantically search for the previous footnote and its context and read it

>> No.6819874
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6819874

>Soma Richardson-Levy-O'Byrne-Chawaf

>> No.6819925

>>6819874

Read JOI's filmography again. Pay particular attention to the cast of every movie. Pretty funny stuff.

>> No.6819939

>>6818872
oh yeah, you will

as someone who's already finished the book, i can't wait till you guys are done. there will be epic discussions

and it won't all have to be in spoiler tags

>> No.6820762

Will any of you nerds organize reading group threads like these for Gravitys Rainbow next, when you're done with IJ? I've already read GR once, but felt like a bunch of stuff probably went over my head, and I'm thinking of rereading it soon

>> No.6820882
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6820882

>am i insane yet

>> No.6820892

>>6820882
But you know what this actually is?

>> No.6820912

>>6818884

>DFW
>Not burning in eternal hellfire

>> No.6820920

>>6820892
They've marked each mention of colour in the text with a corresponding bookmark of said colour.

>> No.6820930

>>6820920
Yes, that.
It's awesome.
I found it myself while reading and having to google some chunk of text that seemed like an incoherent plothole, did you get it the same way?

>> No.6820976

>>6820882
>>6820920

why two copies of the book?

>> No.6820998

>>6820930
What's the point in that?

>> No.6821003

>>6820998
it was a very ambiguous passage and it ensured me that it's just a huge 'HEY, KEEP WONDERING!' and not my little attention span making me miss some detail before. If you haven't googled bits of IJ on your read, you're doing it wrong, big time.

>> No.6821020

>>6820998
What's the point in that trip?

>> No.6821026

>>6821020
I'm curious how long it'll take /lit/ to hate me for posting under it.

>> No.6821032

Who is the antagonist in this novel? Is it Avril ?

Don't say addiction, dickweed.

>> No.6821056

>>6821032
it's postmodernismand Dennis Gabor :^^^^)

>> No.6821153

>>6821032
what a dumb question

>> No.6821161

>>6821153
And an even less intelligent response.

>> No.6821168

>>6821161
fine, i'll specify

it's an oversimplification

>> No.6821366

>>6821032
It's pretty clear it's Harold Bloom

>> No.6821606

>>6819015
>le Americans r stoopid