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I've been Reading a lot of Neitzsche latley and I wonder what your views on the ubermensh are, example how society would look if the majority started striving towards becoming the ubermech. If i have understood it correctly to become an ubermench all one has to do is to change their mindset towards what is right and wrong and then apply it, but then wouldn't the society become kind of socialdarwinistic with a lot of egocentric people not conforming to the norms of their Culture? Also, is striving towards the ubermench spiritualy better for you then to follow an other unpersonal philosophy? What your opinion!

>> No.6815991

The Ubermensch is an ideal. Not in the Platonic or Hegelian sense, either. Nietzsche himself couldn't seriously believe that striving after the ideal would accomplish anything but anarchy.

>> No.6816004

>>6815991
Ok he said that it's a philosophy only for those who want to abandon slave morality, but is it possible to be try to be an ubermensh and still be considered a good person by todays western moral?

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6816041

>>6815978
>ubermench
>Neitzsche
>ubermensh
>ubermech

>> No.6816047

>>6816004
That thought wouldn't even enter into an Ubermensch's mind.

>> No.6816048

>>6816041
Oh why did I not foresee the pretentious faggotry on this board..

>> No.6816052

>>6816047
Literally BEYOND good and evil

>> No.6816054

Watch a documentary called galapagos affair and you'll your ubermensch in action.

>> No.6816056

>>6816048
Lern besser mal Deutsch, du Flachpfeife. Ich müsste mir ja auch ständig was anhören, wenn ich nur in gebrochenem Englischen posten würde.

>> No.6816080

>>6816048
Sorry. If you can't spell and choose to post about things that intelligent people discuss, you should at least be prepared to be ridiculed for an inability to spell a couple funny Deutsch palabras.

>> No.6816623

>>6816041
CARMELLAAAAAA

>> No.6816636

>>6815978
Ubermensch isn't possible. If you think it's possible to live without guilt or anxiety (i.e. as an ubermensch) you're deluding yourself far more than the rest of the population.

>> No.6817122

It's a future ideal which is supposed to give meaning to the world which has seen the death of God. In a sense, its a replacement for God, its supposed to be our new spook basically. Nietzsche didn't think that people could live in a nihilistic world, without a big spook to worship, so he wrote Zarathustra and invented the Ubermensch ideal.

But the Ubermensch is kind of a shitty ideal, its too lonely, too inhuman, too far off and perfect. It's kind of hard for a normal healthy person to be able to identify with this ideal.

In the end Nietzsche suffers from the same problem that Buddha does, setting up an impossible ideal for us to look up to. Buddha would like us to eliminate all our cravings, Nietzche to eliminate all our compassion for others (because its 'suffering with' and it equals weakness).

In the end you have to make up your own mind as to what you should strive towards in life, but it should be humanistic and realistic. I like Aristotle's conception of Eudaimonia to be more down to earth and practice than either Nietzschean or Eastern/Buddhist perfectionism. In fact I think any kind of perfectionism is a sort of nihilism because it rejects human imperfections, it seeks to eliminate what makes us human. Perhaps Sen no Rikyu came closer to this with his aesthetic philosophy of Wabi Sabi.

Not like I don't like Nietzsche and I definitely think he's got a lot to teach but I don't think his project in Zarathustra is very helpful for combating [depressive] nihilism.

>> No.6817139

>>6817122
>it seeks to eliminate what makes us human
spooky

>> No.6817212

>>6817139
maybe but I'm asking you to make that the meaning of the earth or the ultimate goal in life, so there's that

>> No.6817997

>>6815978
>posting a stupid meritocracy /fit/ chart
>writing "Übermensch" in 4 different wrong ways on the same post
>taking anything from Nietzsche as a relevant praxis model

It's a shame life doesn't have a reset button, that would be your best option kid

>> No.6818085

>>6817122

Pure misunderstanding of Nietzsche.

The Ubermensch is an ideal that is supposed to motivate us into a life of growth and overcoming.

It is simply the desire to remove from yourself all of your own perceived weaknesses and flaws.

It has nothing to do with compassion or any of the other bullshit you where talking about.

>> No.6818095

>>6817997

Nietzsche is perhaps one of the most practical philosophers that there are.

You pleb.

>> No.6818111

>>6818095
B8?

>> No.6818222

>>6817997
i hate the word "kid"

>> No.6818258

>ubermech

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