What books would /lit/ recommend to bring Bernie Sanders to his senses? What does that mean to bring him to his senses?

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Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:51:08 2015 No.6799076 [DELETED]

What books would /lit/ recommend to bring Bernie Sanders to his senses? What does that mean to bring him to his senses?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:52:34 2015 No.6799083 >>6799076 Freakanomics! Legalize abortion!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:54:21 2015 No.6799093 Brad V. looks like a 13yo girl

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:54:35 2015 No.6799095 >>6799076 https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1901/witbd/ To help him get over his liberalism

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 18:55:27 2015 No.6799100 I'm voting for him

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:00:54 2015 No.6799119 >Divine right of kings works! >Are you RETARDED? >Just ask the keeper of the kings treasury!!!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:01:05 2015 No.6799121 whats so bad about liberalism?

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Wed Jul 8 19:04:39 2015 No.6799143 >>6799121 No morality or values save money and comfort.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:05:48 2015 No.6799152 >>6799076 Americans actually deserve to be genocided, at least the White ones.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:06:35 2015 No.6799156 >>6799143 liberalism values equality.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:06:42 2015 No.6799157 >>6799143 great troll

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:07:10 2015 No.6799161 File: 15 KB, 329x500, 31dAaWOs9cL.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It's not enough to take you from ignoramus to PhD in economics, but it's enough to teach you that economics is not as intuitive as people like to believe.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:07:19 2015 No.6799164 >>6799076 And what are those economic "fundamentals" that he doesn't understand?

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Wed Jul 8 19:07:42 2015 No.6799167 >>6799156 Of money and comfort, mainly the latter.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:08:07 2015 No.6799171 File: 948 KB, 1280x1920, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6799121 Nothing, it just doesn't conform to some peoples' beliefs so they immediately dismiss it as evil or bad or stupid

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:08:30 2015 No.6799173 >>6799156 Equality of outcome < equality of opportunity

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:08:46 2015 No.6799176 >>6799076 I just want you guys to know whenever politics threads get started on /lit/ I link them to /pol/ and leftypol to ensure the discussion is shit tier. :^)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:09:12 2015 No.6799177 >>6799161 >written by a climate-change denier oh lawdy

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:09:39 2015 No.6799178 >>6799176 Good idea ill start doing this thanks

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:09:40 2015 No.6799179 Is there anything worse than braindead libertarians getting high and mighty about economics because they read some bullshit on mises.org? These fuckers are intolerable.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:09:47 2015 No.6799181 >>6799164 Government intervention anally fucks the economy

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:10:46 2015 No.6799186 >>6799177 What was an opinion on climate change have to do with understanding of economics as a discipline?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:10:46 2015 No.6799187 File: 115 KB, 594x594, LeBron2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6799177 This thread is about economics. You don't honestly listen to "experts" when they talk about fields outside their study, do you?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:10:49 2015 No.6799188 >>6799181 The economy has never not been anally fucked then

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Wed Jul 8 19:11:08 2015 No.6799191 >>6799173 The first one is not only possible, but inevitable. The second one is pure retardation and will never remotely happen.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Wed Jul 8 19:12:39 2015 No.6799196 >>6799076 Brad, you need to understand Bernie knows tons more than you. >>6799095 Baby steps Comrade

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:13:16 2015 No.6799202 >>6799187 >>6799186 Huh, it's entirely valid to disbelieve that claims of someone in one field, if he outright denies the well funded claims in another.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:14:10 2015 No.6799206 >>6799196 He's from /lit/. Nobody knows more than him,

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:14:37 2015 No.6799207
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>>6799202
No, it quite literally is not ok to do that. Sowell is a world-renowed economist, and he has absolutely zero experience in the physical sciences. You are making a logical fallacy, and by george, I suspect you are suffering from cognitive biases too!

smh tbh

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:15:47 2015 No.6799213 >>6799187 1) Sowell isn't an expert in anything. 2) Having such a demonstrably poor opinion about something is a clear sign that they're not capable of complex (expert) thought.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:16:28 2015 No.6799216 >>6799202 So you shouldn't listen to a reputed genetisist about genetics if he disagrees with theologians about theological matters or engineers about some specific engineering principal?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:16:35 2015 No.6799217 >>6799187 >>6799186 Not only is he a denier, he thinks it's a leftist conspiracy. Like all of you ancap tards, he's paranoid as fuck.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:18:09 2015 No.6799221

>>6799207
Why should I trust someone who denies scientific facts? Given that I do not have a PhD in economics I have to gauge his expertise somehow, and if he behaves murky in regards to well funded, empirically proven knowledge I have reason to mistrust his opinion in anything.

>>6799216
If said genetisist claims squares roll better than circles, then yes, probably. Obviously theology is excluded since it's not a science.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:18:41 2015 No.6799225 >>6799188 True, but we can at least get it some wine, play some Barry White, and fuck it gently

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Wed Jul 8 19:19:27 2015 No.6799229 >>6799206 Looks like he's from Twitter or something. >>6799207 Keynes is a world renowned economist, Sowell is renowned fro being a douchebag

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:19:51 2015 No.6799231 >>6799191 Inevitable? How so?

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Wed Jul 8 19:20:04 2015 No.6799232 >>6799207 Economics is literally nothing more than ideological argument made to seem objective.

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Wed Jul 8 19:21:05 2015 No.6799237 File: 120 KB, 768x576, 12592930.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6799231

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:21:48 2015 No.6799239 File: 336 KB, 419x556, 截图20150713103934.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:22:27 2015 No.6799244 >>6799237 Sure, because life is a meme

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:25:02 2015 No.6799256 ITT >people who just learned about the supply demand curve and think they disproved leftism

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:25:28 2015 No.6799258 File: 18 KB, 316x500, basic.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:26:32 2015 No.6799262 File: 33 KB, 339x422, 1436284004855.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6799181

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:27:00 2015 No.6799265 >>6799256 Yea, Leftism was disproved awhile ago.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:27:11 2015 No.6799266

>>6799213
He has a PhD in Economics and has been a professor at several institutions. Pretending he is not qualified to speak on economics is ridiculous.

Also, he doesn't deny climate change, he has simply stated that overly alarmist claims from certain groups, including those not formally qualified to speak on it, only set a narrative which may be politically advantageous. He qualified that he had little formal knowledge of climate science, but dislikes that between scientists with alarmist conceptions of climate change and those with more moderate arguments many run with the alarmist ones.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:27:34 2015 No.6799271 >>6799258 >pfft! the economy is common sense! >btw climate change doesn't real

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:28:31 2015 No.6799275 >>6799256 Leftism is a broad thing, social liberalism and progressivism are generally doomed however.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:28:48 2015 No.6799278 >>6799271 What he means by common sense is if you break down economics anyone can understand it. Most of its principles are common sense.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:30:14 2015 No.6799286 >>6799266 Having a PhD doesn't mean he can't have ulterior motives. He probably IS qualified to speak on economics, however that doesn't mean I have to believe what he actually says. You're assuming he always speaks truthfully.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:31:27 2015 No.6799293 >>6799278 Same with climate change

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:33:41 2015 No.6799305 An independent win would be the kick in the pants the current false Rep/Dem dichotomy needs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:33:54 2015 No.6799307 >>6799076 >economics Uh oh, looks like you posted this on the wrong board! Don't worry, I'll help you find your way back to where you belong >>>/biz/ >>>r/shekels

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:35:06 2015 No.6799317 >>6799256 best post

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:35:12 2015 No.6799318

>>6799286
Everyone has ulterior motives which come through in anything they write, however impartial they attempt to be. Part of exploring and reading ideological disciplines is detecting and sorting those biases.

My whole point, going back to the original poster, is that an opinion on climate change doesn't mean his book on economics, his field of expertise, isn't potentially a good one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:36:56 2015 No.6799327 >>6799293 Sowell does not deny climate change. All he has said is that intellectuals exploit it for their own gain and they drown out scientists who have less alarmist climate predictions.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:39:16 2015 No.6799332 File: 57 KB, 699x424, delicious.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >people in this thread are this assmad about a book about basic economic principles Kill yourselves. What the flying fuck is up your ass that you're so disagreeable about this?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:40:00 2015 No.6799334 >>6799327 read: paranoid

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:40:50 2015 No.6799336

>>6799256
Supply and demand LITERALLY by itself disproves most statist postures on economic policy, tbh

If you want me to post a link to an economics book that doesn't have the word "basic" in the title, I can, but this isn't supposed to be a dick measuring contest. This is supposed to be us providing a starter kit for understanding the highly complex system we call economics.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:42:15 2015 No.6799344 >>6799334 Are you seriously gonna deny that? It's not a very extraordinary claim.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Wed Jul 8 19:42:33 2015 No.6799345 >>6799244 >Death is a meme N-n-no. >>6799332 I'm just calling OP/Brad out as a dumbass lolbertarian

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:43:47 2015 No.6799355 >>6799307 >literature on economics Just go back to your GRRM/Stirber shitposting friend

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:44:51 2015 No.6799360 >>6799345 Shit, I asked you in another thread and then I forgot to go check later. Is your name Jen?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:45:37 2015 No.6799365 >>6799345 butters could you please sage when posting in politics threads? ty

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:48:10 2015 No.6799380 >>6799336 Doesn't disprove it, just presents an approach to handle allocation of resources

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:48:12 2015 No.6799381 >>6799332 It's because Sowell isn't a liberal. Daily reminder liberalism is a cult.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:51:00 2015 No.6799397

>>6799336
>Supply and demand LITERALLY by itself disproves most statist postures on economic policy, tbh
Thing is actually existing markets don't behave in the fashion that classical theory would lead one to expect.

Many if not most industrial prices are deliberately set by private businesses, tend to be relatively inflexible with respect to demand changes, and during recessions tend not to fall to the same extent as flexprices.

Administered price theory is more relevant to understanding real world markets than pure supply and demand theories.

See for more informaton:
Means, G. C. 1972. “The Administered Price Thesis Reconfirmed,” American Economic Review 62: 292–306.

Stigler, G. J. and J. K. Kindahl. 1970. The Behavior of Industrial Prices. New York.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:51:12 2015 No.6799399

>>6799380
To call it "an approach" when it is closer to "a description of a testable phenomenon" is a bit disingenuous. I assume you're worried that we're talking about some supply-side no-rules paradise. We are not. Supply/Demand still holds even in a communist economy.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:52:14 2015 No.6799402 File: 46 KB, 1024x768, fug2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6799397 >mfw I agree

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:52:27 2015 No.6799404

>>6799334
Paranoia refers to unfounded beliefs of collective persecution of oneself.

Believing that people may collude strictly to benefit themselves is not paranoia, I would consider it a basic understanding of human behavior, unless those colluding strictly target you or a group you are part of.

Climate change scientists, and I'm not strictly saying they do as I haven't closely studied this matter, may collude to push alarmist predictions to get more attention and funding for instance. They may not in fact be doing this as I said, but it isn't an unreasonable proposition.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Wed Jul 8 19:52:50 2015 No.6799406 >>6799360 No, and then I said everyone seems to know a Jen, don't they? >>6799365 I always do.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:53:23 2015 No.6799409
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>>6799381
Liberalism is low self-esteem. /lit/ is probably the most angsty and self-loathing board around. This is not only directly communicated but manifested in aggression.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:54:27 2015 No.6799418 >>6799409 have you been to /pol/? what am I saying, of course you have

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:55:24 2015 No.6799421 >>6799406 Oh, is that what you said? Sure. It's a common name. I only asked because there's a well read user on Goodreads with the username "Jenn Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ" who has several /lit/ people as friends. well, ttyl

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:56:04 2015 No.6799426 >>6799409 >y-y-you guys have different views than me because you hate yourself! I EARNED my respect! Y-you guys might be young and popular but at least I have self-esteem! R-r-right?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:58:48 2015 No.6799440 >>6799406 >>6799406 Jen is a pretty hot name tbh. It always rings with a "please fuck me hard" undertone in my ear.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 19:59:09 2015 No.6799442

>>6799426
I'd say it's more of a theoretical diagnosis of the mindset that furthers modern progressivism then an accusation that everyone who subscribes to leftism universally does so out of self-hate. Certainly the growing undercurrent of white-guilt is indicative of this to some degree.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:00:01 2015 No.6799444 Daily reminder that most of Bernie Sanders' supporters on the Internet are Yurocucks who want the U.S. to live like them Rand Paul 2016

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:01:16 2015 No.6799453 >>6799426 >>6799426 >young and popular is what I base my opinions off of Back to reddit/twitter cretin

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:02:23 2015 No.6799456 >>6799444 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ISFmjuJhMI relt

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:03:35 2015 No.6799459 >>6799336 >2015 >thinks the classical model is still accurate

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:04:00 2015 No.6799462 >>6799456 How was what Paul assessed wrong?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:04:29 2015 No.6799465 >>6799176 good idea

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:04:47 2015 No.6799467

>>6799453
No, but I certainly don't take my opinions from an angry white narcissist projecting his own insecurities and depression onto his political enemies. At least the college-aged white knights admit they are depressed. They even think it is cool to be depressed to the point that kids feign it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:05:12 2015 No.6799468 I have a small question that doesnt deserve it's own thread. I wrote "This is troubling. Also, it is illegal. She was OK to post the advertisment in her name. I am proud to stand behind what I have said." Instead of "proud", is there a better word?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:05:14 2015 No.6799469 >>6799462 Politics is all about rhetoric anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:05:37 2015 No.6799471 >>6799444 Rand Paul stopped the Partriot Act. Bernie Sanders, he didn't do squat.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:07:06 2015 No.6799480 >>6799467 I'm not white, I'm Pakistani How DARE you dismiss my cultural heritage. It's like I'm being colonized all over again. You really need to learn your place white boi bitch.

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:07:43 2015 No.6799484

>>6799462
Libertarian Randroids like Paul are essentially religious fundamentalists with a fanatical faith in an abstract notion of Freedom with a capital F; it has transcended value for them above all else no matter what, even though it doesn't exist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT5D8lggkMU

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:08:48 2015 No.6799492 >>6799480 Unless you wrote the blog post that anon posted, I wasn't talking about you

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:09:56 2015 No.6799496 >>6799484 Rand Paul is radically different from his father Ron Paul and isn't supported by the Tea Party. >expecting a libcuck to know anything about the candidates besides what John Stewart tells them

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:11:02 2015 No.6799500 >>6799484 And marxists aren't religious fundamentalists perhaps? Despite having killed 100 million people during the last century, marxists continue to believe in their little fantasies because "Marx said so".

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:11:10 2015 No.6799501 File: 62 KB, 280x396, Hayek.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6799484 Those are the deontological Ayn Rand losers. Consequentialism is where its at.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:12:02 2015 No.6799506 >>6799500 I agree. I'm not a Marxist

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:12:05 2015 No.6799507 File: 442 KB, 666x860, 1436393543064.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6799456 I'd like to know what Paul's original comments where, however wrong they might have been.

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Wed Jul 8 20:13:46 2015 No.6799513

>>6799421
>there's a well read user on Goodreads with the username "Jenn Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ" who has several /lit/ people as friends.
>has several /lit/ people as friends.
HA.
No, not me.

>Jenn Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ
I see her referred to, but I can't navigate the site so well

>>6799444
This is a good thing.
And there's tons of support in the US for Bernie. He's lookin' like Obama II with the small donations.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:14:26 2015 No.6799514 >>6799492 What gives you the AUTHORITY to colonize me again white boi? Back down like the good liberal you are and beg me for mercy. Beg worm.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 20:14:34 2015 No.6799515 >>6799507 He said healthcare was slavery

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