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Seems like everyone young I know has gone through a period of their life when they had regular suicidal thoughts. Did that always happen to people. or is it new? is there any way to find out? what books can I read on the topic?

>> No.6799242

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>> No.6799277

>>6799005
Reported for posting interracial porn.

>> No.6799288

>>6799252
thanks

>>6799277
kek

>> No.6799302

>>6799005
meh, this is being human.

its realized at some point that life is pretty shitty in some ways, and that you don't NECESSARILY have to "deal with it" whatever that may be. its always "possible" if you want to hit the ejector seat.

>> No.6799306

>>6799005
it's become more common because society has become more hostile towards the developing human mind.

suicide is very rare in hunter/gatherer societies, which are obviously more natural as the human mind evolved in such societies for hundreds of thousands of years, modern civilization has existed for around only ten thousand years.

due to an exploding population that is suddenly reversing in first world nations, causing economic systems based on population growth to fail, and obscenely rapid technological development being absorbed by the youngest generation while having no idea the effect on society and personal social lives it has as it's unprecedented, along with a dramatic abandonment of fear of damnation, people reporting thoughts of suicide has risen dramatically over the last thirty years.

I'm 23, I have two legitimate attempts under my belt, my ex girlfriend attempted a month ago, my best friend as a teenager killed himself two years ago, and another friend has attempted suicide. I also see a suicidal outreach on facebook from someone around my age or younger maybe once a month. It's just a fact of life living in this strange, experimental, overgrown society. It's whatever, really, I got over my problems and I don't really care what happens in the world anymore at all. I just live to get my dick touched and my writing published.

>> No.6799338

>>6799306
if you would oblige me how did this modern society exactly contribute to those attempts though? in general isolation, stress, nihilsm, depression, anxiety, divorce, jobs, ....?

>> No.6799371

>>6799338
Economic stress from an economy built around a growing population that is suddenly leveling out, isolation caused by technology's effect on society, information access causing religious fundamentalism that guards from suicide to dissolve, and the social equality movement disrupting the way relationships between men and women have worked for a long time causing a lot of maladjustment issues and loneliness in young people. These are all likely contributing factors.

>> No.6799384

>>6799338
http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt

worth the read, really

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>>6799384
>
1. The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster
for the human race. They have greatly increased the life-expectancy of
those of us who live in "advanced" countries, but they have
destabilized society, have made life unfulfilling, have subjected
human beings to indignities, have led to widespread psychological
suffering (in the Third World to physical suffering as well) and have
inflicted severe damage on the natural world. The continued
development of technology will worsen the situation. It will certainly
subject human beings to greater indignities and inflict greater damage
on the natural world, it will probably lead to greater social
disruption and psychological suffering, and it may lead to increased
physical suffering even in "advanced" countries.
> 2. The industrial-technological system may survive or it may break
down. If it survives, it MAY eventually achieve a low level of
physical and psychological suffering, but only after passing through a
long and very painful period of adjustment and only at the cost of
permanently reducing human beings and many other living organisms to
engineered products and mere cogs in the social machine. Furthermore,
if the system survives, the consequences will be inevitable: There is
no way of reforming or modifying the system so as to prevent it from
depriving people of dignity and autonomy.

> 3. If the system breaks down the consequences will still be very
painful. But the bigger the system grows the more disastrous the
results of its breakdown will be, so if it is to break down it had
best break down sooner rather than later.

very intelligent man, that's interesting.

A lot of people pass off this book as new-age bullshit, as it has some hypotheses within it concerning the bible, but really I think that it's a tool the author uses to try and rattle christians. A lot about this book very accurately diagnoses problems with modern human society, though it doesn't offer a solution. It's a very easy thing to read for people who have difficulty reading heavy literature and lots of non-fiction. I recommend it for people who are trying to get an idea of why people are struggling in modern society.

>> No.6799509

>>6799005
Modern society's fixation on making life miserable for everyone other than rich people, yeah.

>> No.6799522

>>6799005
Sauce?

>> No.6799547

It's cause people today are spoiled pussies.

>I broke a nail
>why even live?

>> No.6799600

>>6799473
similar premise to the human zoo by desmond morris written like 50 years ago dude.

>> No.6799603

>>6799547
that or they see their life never going anywhere. they get stuck in a certain rut of routine and this is the ultimate depression, there is no "break" in the cycle. combine that with the knowledge you are getting weaker and weaker, more dull and older as the years go by. the prime hits early in life, by the time you're 30, you know its not "going up" from there. the proportions of life are shitty.

>> No.6800436

>>6799005
I'm amazed no one has said this but Émile Durkheim's "La Suicide" is an extended meditation on why people in modern, industrialized capitalist societies feel like their lives are so meaningless/valueless.

>> No.6800639

chimps really creep me out but I always watch this webm for the sideboob

what movie is this? who is that?

>> No.6800697

>>6799306

> two failed attempts and 23

Are you me?

>> No.6800730

>>6800697
how did you attempt

>> No.6800736

>>6800730

1 - Sleeping pills and codeine

2 - OD'd on barbiturates and passed out before I got a bag over my head

>> No.6800739

>>6800639
>what movie is this?
Dunston Checks In

>who is that?
Dunston

>> No.6800743

>>6800736
You gonna try again?

>> No.6800745

>>6800743

Probably in the future. I'm on a lot of meds at the moment that curb the urge.

>> No.6800752

>>6799005
This post reminds me of my ex girlfriend whose pessimistic ass I don't regret blocking from contact. I've fantasized over one of the things to say before I die ,if it were to be out of nowhere and someone I knew were to there to communicate my message, would be to tell her to grow the fuck up so she'd have to live with that.

>> No.6800755

>>6800752

Unless she finally grew the nerve to actually kill herself.

>> No.6800763

>>6800697
>>6800736
>>6800745
no, it doesn't look like I'm you. Both of my attempts were with opiates, and both times I woke up in the hospital in a lot of pain getting my stomach pumped.

What doesn't make me you is I stopped using drugs altogether other than very occasional LSD or social marijuana/alcohol, and am currently living a life filled with artificial purpose, and it feels good. You should get off of the drugs and read some stirner. Drugs freeze your intellectual growth and perpetuate your negative feelings, and restrict you from independence.

>> No.6800790

>>6800763

I agree, I should stop taking the lobotomizing drugs. It's something that's been on my mind for a while. The only problem is adjusting to life without them, not to mention the horrendous withdrawals. I don't have the time not to take them, because the withdrawal can last for months and leaves you unable to function.

One day, my friend, one day.

Thanks for the Stirner recommendation, it was actually something I've been wanting to read for a while but completely forgot about it.

>> No.6800973

>>6800763
Are they're any philosophers that talking about refraining from recreational drug use, all I can think of is Nietzsche

>> No.6801049

>>6800739
It's actually Link. The blonde is Elisabeth Shue.

>> No.6801071

>>6800752
This post makes you sound like an asshole tbh.

>> No.6802045

>>6800973
Pretty much all of them are in agreement on this, though the older ones would be talking mostly about alcohol.

>> No.6802109

I'm 25 and I constantly think about it, attempted once.

I just can't break the cycle to do anything, so I waste my life online, no friends or job.

>> No.6802138

>>6802109
try this. for real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y3Q7H2urto&list=PLEC25151943DE0F35&index=1

>> No.6802171

>>6802138
Will watch all the parts soon, thanks.

>> No.6802185

>>6799005
have thought about it a lot. was gonna go to a firing range, rent a gun, and off myself in the bathroom. 3 days before I left my father noticed something was off and spoke with me. i don't think he knew how close I was

there's a lot that goes into it but the number 1 thing is hopelessness. you know you're broken but what leads to the ideation is knowing in your bones you'll never be okay again.

>> No.6802186

>>6801049
>Although the title primate is clearly an orangutan, he is referred to as a chimpanzee through the entire film, and his fur appears to have been dyed black (Orangutans have reddish-brown fur).
Lol

>> No.6802332

>>6802045
Source? All I can find are stuff about how philosophers use mir drugs than others.

>> No.6802459

People just weren't whiny attention-whoring faggots and when they decided they had enough, they weren't afraid to go through with it.

I'm reading a lot about "failed attempts" here. Face it, you didn't want to kill yourselves. You are only desperately vying for attention in the most despicable way.

>> No.6802465

>>6802459
this is true.

If you really wanted to kill yourself you would already be dead you worthless faggots.