>Want to start reading Schopenhauer, so I google "where to start with Schopenhauer" >First result is stormfront >Second is a first year asking for recs on a philosophy forum >Third is reddit Who can I read to btfo people who agree with Schopenhauer?

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Anonymous Mon Jul 6 10:45:40 2015 No.6786851 [Reply] [Original]

>Want to start reading Schopenhauer, so I google "where to start with Schopenhauer"
>First result is stormfront
>Second is a first year asking for recs on a philosophy forum
>Third is reddit

Who can I read to btfo people who agree with Schopenhauer?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 10:47:16 2015 No.6786856 Fuck off back to moo

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 10:47:44 2015 No.6786858 >>6786851 >not reading stormfront Oy veeeeey!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 10:49:28 2015 No.6786866 >grimes calls herself a vegan >posts pics of herself eating ice-cream on instagram Fuck, that really gets my goat

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 10:50:35 2015 No.6786867 >Who can I read to btfo people who agree with Schopenhauer? Hegel, Nietzsche, any serious philosopher after him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 10:55:03 2015 No.6786875 >>6786866 Are you mentally handicapped?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 10:56:28 2015 No.6786879 >>6786866 Being a vegan should get your goat right there

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 12:28:45 2015 No.6787101 >>6786879 Why? Give one good reason

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 12:34:01 2015 No.6787117 File: 229 KB, 1024x682, coconutbliss.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6786866 you should try some of this stuff. it's really good

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 12:34:57 2015 No.6787119
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Einstein was a Jew, and Schopenhauer was his favorite philosopher. Einstein was so enamored with Schopenhauer, in fact, that Einstein kept a portrait of him in his study alongside a handful of great mathematicians and scientists.

"I believe with Schopenhauer that one of the strongest motives that leads men to art and science is escape from everyday life with its painful crudity and hopeless dreariness, from the fetters of one’s own ever shifting desires. A finely tempered nature longs to escape from personal life into the world of objective perception and thought." -- Einstein

He was also Hitler's favorite philosopher. Hitler carried Schopenhauer's collected works with him throughout World War I and memorized a lot of them.

"Only writers of genius can have the right to modify the language. In the past generation, I can think of practically nobody but Schopenhauer who could have dared to do such a thing." - Adolf Hitler

Yes, Schopenhauer was so right that he was both Einstein and Hitler loved him. He was truly the Greatest of All Time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 12:37:45 2015 No.6787125 >>6786851 Here. 1. Overview http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/schopenhauer/ 2. English Translations of his major work and secondary sources http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/schopenhauer/#Bib

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 15:26:04 2015 No.6787755 >>6786851 go to the library do your own hw

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 15:31:36 2015 No.6787780
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>>6786851
Read Hegel if you want to BTFO him.

Also fuck Claire she's made her cash and she is never going to make actual good music. She did her excessive vocal layering thing and scooped up her popularity and cash based on the novelty of her music + being a qt and stopped there. I'm upset.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 15:37:02 2015 No.6787810 File: 111 KB, 640x640, 2CgSTvEf_s8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6787780 >she is never going to make actual good music How do you know? She's releasing an album soon btw.

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 15:39:51 2015 No.6787824

>>6787810
I read that she scrapped the album. Which is a good sign that she might be deciding her EM software skills are shit, but if she's decided that and is releasing an album soon anyway without solid months-a year of practice then it's hard for me to feel that it's going to be an improvement.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 15:42:38 2015 No.6787837 you're stupid, op

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 15:44:22 2015 No.6787846 >>6787824 >I read that she scrapped the album It was a long time ago actually. She has already finished a new one and now it's waiting for release date. Claire also mentioned that she used live instruments there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 15:47:27 2015 No.6787863 >>6787101 The essence of bourgeois frivolity

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 15:48:50 2015 No.6787869 >>6787780 >qt Dude she looks fucking disgusting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 15:49:58 2015 No.6787879 >>6787119 You are appealing to authority.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 15:53:08 2015 No.6787897 File: 110 KB, 640x640, k26FcmGGSCo.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6787869 that's not true

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 15:58:58 2015 No.6787919 File: 147 KB, 1500x1500, viper.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >actually searching for 'Where to start with X' >using 'googling'

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 16:02:35 2015 No.6787930
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>>6787846
live instruments? ehhhhhhhhhhh, not the direction I was hoping for. I was hoping that she'd actually get some sound-control skills, as in, be able to translate her musical will directly into a track, which it's apparent that she hasn't spent enough time practicing with her equipment to be able to do this. She makes up for it with intense amounts of reverb on vocal samples, layered over each other, which makes her music sound less choppy and amateur.

Her going with live instruments to me is like Zach Condon going towards electronic music. Just, not the direction they should be heading.

>>6787869
lol you gay nigga

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 16:11:49 2015 No.6787972 It's based on your search history op

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 16:36:27 2015 No.6788091 >>6787930 i can see her boobs

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 16:39:53 2015 No.6788100 >>6787879 >autism Everything is an appeal to some bullshit or another. Deal with it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 16:42:03 2015 No.6788111 >>6786866 Vegan ice cream is a thing apparently

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 17:41:54 2015 No.6788382 >>6788100 no, it isn't, he was saying that your argument was literally not logical. Not all statements are intrinsically illogical. Yours just was,

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 17:45:17 2015 No.6788394 >>6788382 I've been around the philosophical mulberry bush long enough to know that you can come up with a "fallacy" to "discredit" anything. Yes, I'm appealing to authority. They were smart people.

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 17:45:29 2015 No.6788396
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>>6786866
>get cow raped by bull
>take away her baby
>harvest her bodily fluids for years until you find it time to murder her

Milk industry is more barbarious than the meat industry tbh.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 17:48:34 2015 No.6788406 >>6788396 its just a cow

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 17:51:36 2015 No.6788412 >>6788406 cows are beautiful people too.

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 17:53:53 2015 No.6788425

>>6788394
You say you've "been around", but the way you phrase things shows clearly that you have no idea what you're talking about.

The person who points out a fallacious argument isn't "coming up with a fallacy", they are pointing out a fallacy in logic that someone else has made. It also does not necessarily discredit an argument, what it does is discredits the logical soundness of only the part of the argument that is fallacious.

Saying "X is true because person A says so and person A is smart" does not necessarily make X true. It does not mean that X is false, it means that your argument that X is true is shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 18:22:11 2015 No.6788544 Thanks for giving me /mu/ nostalgia. Damn it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 18:33:03 2015 No.6788601 >>6788425 I have no time for autists.

>>	None !!lZetafI6z8s Mon Jul 6 18:38:22 2015 No.6788627 >>6788601 you got btfo'd lad, cheers

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 18:42:27 2015 No.6788644

>>6788627
Actually, I didn't. I was aware the "fallacy," and I'm tired of autistic philositards shitting up any discussion with their fedora bullshit.

I brought up two interesting facts most people probably weren't aware of, and the sperglord has an autistic fit because reality doesn't parse into his A=A Ayn Rand analytic construct.

There's nothing meaningful that can come from these kinds of discussion except "logic is axiomatically flawed DOES NOT COMPUTER HEAD EXPLODE"

Just shut the fuck up with your "fallacies" and contribute something interesting to the discussion, instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 18:45:36 2015 No.6788664 >>6786851 Schopenhauer is a trap. Don't waste your time on such shit. Don't know if he actually had some value during his time, but those days are far past, and many philosophers have surpassed him.

None !!lZetafI6z8s Mon Jul 6 18:51:23 2015 No.6788690

>>6788644
i know you have more reasons than einstein and hitler both liking schopenhauer for thinking he was right so obviously this discussion is ultimately irrelevant to you and i'm sure you agree that your appeal to authority doesn't provide a sound argument so alright i'll leave it alone

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 18:54:23 2015 No.6788714 >>6787879 Go back to reddit with these debate club tactics faglord. This is just banter not some super serious debate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 18:55:17 2015 No.6788718 >>6788425 not-addressing-regression-problem fallacy detected pls post the definite epistomological work that is sufficient for a suaheli frog posting board

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 18:55:26 2015 No.6788721

>>6788396
>He thinks they let bulls rape cows
Holy shit, mate, you're having a giggle.
The bull rides a fake cow, the semen gets caught, filtered, filtered, filtered, and bit by bit they use it to artificially inseminate loads of cows.

More like
>Bull gets to shag something and blow his load into a holder, basically shagging with a condom on
>cow gets an arm up her vag (which they never seem to mind)
>harvest her bodily fluids for years until she dies or does no longer produce milk

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 19:22:47 2015 No.6788843

>>6786851
1. You may disagree with what Schopenhauer is saying, but he's one of the best writers of all times. Reading him will make you a better writer

2. He's been misappropriated as all hell. Schopenhauer being used by SF is ridiculous, he was supportive of the abolitionist movement, and the notion of a human being superior to another is incoherent in his metaphysics. Racism and Nationalism are inconsistent with Schopenhauer, period. His hatred for Judaism was metaphysical, and includes christianity.

3. Whether he gets talked about on SF or not is irrelevant anyway, since they obviously arent intellectually gifted enough to understand him, or anyone for the matter. It is true, Schopenhauer attracts edgelords (in that way, he can be viewed as a hipster version of nietzsche), but that in itself doesnt invalidate his writings.

4. You won't find anyone to btfo Schopenhauer. He's been influential to a select few philosophers, ignored by many (or influential by proxy). If you had a clue how philosophy works, you would understand that this question makes no sense in the first place: "BTFOing" in phil is a positive act, i.e. it replaces the old thing with something entirely different - like Nietzsche did with his schopy critique. Now you wont convince a Schopenhauerian with Nietzschean thought, because for it to actually BTFOing the predecessor, one has to be Nietzschean in the first place. This is true for 99% of all similar cases.

5. Start with Plato (or at least get familiar via plato.stanford.edu), read the CPR by Kant (delving deeper would be preferable), then fourfold root by schop, WaWaR I and II by schop, then his Paerga et Paralipomena.

Might wanna consider the groundworks before CPR as well.

Get good annotated versions, you wont learn shit if you dont.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 19:25:36 2015 No.6788853 >>6788843 added: Skip the intro to WaWaR, since its just banter, boasting and telling you to fuck off if you havent read kant and plato. Also telling you to read it twice. Also: Top kek to the hegelians in here. TOP. KEK.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 19:30:35 2015 No.6788881 >>6787879 ok bud

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 19:46:30 2015 No.6788966 >>6788721 It's still rape, shitlord.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 19:48:51 2015 No.6788980 >>6788843 OP here thanks for talking about philosophy and not cow rape

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 20:14:56 2015 No.6789068 >>6787879 You're right he was, but seeing as OP's original post was denigrating Schopenhauer based solely on his readership rather than the content of his ideas, it's not a bad tactic here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 20:34:27 2015 No.6789158 >>6788966 huehuehuehuehue

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 22:42:48 2015 No.6789779 >>6788721 You're telling me ShindoL didn't accurately represent a dairy cow's life?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 23:09:56 2015 No.6789935 Would Grimeth like Schopenhauer?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 04:49:16 2015 No.6790951 >>6789935 don't think so, Nietzsche is her fav i think

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 05:01:59 2015 No.6790964 You people are actual autists you know? Anyone who thinks Oblivion, Dream Fortress, Realiti and Be a Body are bad songs is a literal gigantic pleb. They're fucking great songs and I'm the most anti-mainstream hipster faggot ever.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 05:10:08 2015 No.6790973 >>6790964 Realiti is a great song but the song name is terrible and she topped it off by spelling it like a degenerate. Her videos are shit as well, she needs to stop dancing like a spaz.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 10:27:19 2015 No.6791681 >>6790964 >They're fucking great songs and I'm the most anti-mainstream hipster faggot ever. This is literally the standard hipster pose. >dude look at me new sincerly liking these pop songs don't you just want to gently foster my walrus lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 10:46:35 2015 No.6791752 >>6788396 this

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 10:51:34 2015 No.6791769 >>6786851 No one. Retards like you who treat philosophers like pokemon cards or something probably shouldn't be reading at all.

Anonymous Tue Jul 7 10:55:57 2015 No.6791778

>>6788406
TBH i worked on a chicken farm growing up.

In Canada at least chickens run around in the barn till they are big then they go to a place that cuts their throat and they die.
Its not so bad.

But having seen how milk farms operate first hand. Its fucked up.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:03:11 2015 No.6791800 File: 65 KB, 550x408, b66zHEoHVsM.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >all this, i owe to mayonnaise

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:06:41 2015 No.6791808 File: 16 KB, 640x480, 1436257337117.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6791800 hey, i know where you got this pic from

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:08:33 2015 No.6791809 File: 148 KB, 600x450, charli-xcx-terry-richardson-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6791808 >still no charli posts

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:08:45 2015 No.6791811 George 'Ghost' Hegel

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:09:50 2015 No.6791816 >>6788966 >>6788966 3/10

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:11:34 2015 No.6791820 >>6791816 So if I were to cum in a syringe and put it up your sisters cunny and fill her right up, it would not be rape?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:19:15 2015 No.6791842 >>6791820 If his sister was livestock it wouldn't be because who the fuck cares. Fuck off to PETA.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:21:23 2015 No.6791849 What if I were to cum in a syringe then inject it into livestock?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:23:38 2015 No.6791856 >>6791820 Well it'd be fucked up, but rape by legal definition is penetration. Also the cow can't have half the emotional damage that a human has.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:24:40 2015 No.6791865 >>6791849 That would be pretty hot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:39:24 2015 No.6791918 >>6790973 >dancing like a spaz what? her dance moves are the cutest thing ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMaQpTe0CtA

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:41:34 2015 No.6791929 >>6791820 Like you might get some sexual torture crime under the law, but the sort of moral issue is the rape. raping someone with a dildo gets you a rape charge

Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:48:02 2015 No.6791951

>>6791856
>Well it'd be fucked up, but rape by legal definition is penetration.
I'm not a sharp shooter anon, I need to put the syringe into the cunny to fill her up.

>Also the cow can't have half the emotional damage that a human has.
Neither have drunk passed out women, it's still rape.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:51:45 2015 No.6791967 >>6791918 >that useless fag on the right what is he doing?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 11:59:28 2015 No.6791983 File: 46 KB, 400x267, tumblr_mn7uzg46Nq1qeip53o1_400.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6791967 nothing. it's just a support dude. also he is actually devon from magical cloudz, her ex-boyfriend

>>	haha and then what :) !baMXXvfeOI Tue Jul 7 12:05:06 2015 No.6791998 >>6787930 >>>/mu/ i love grimes literally but this is not the right board my good internet friend

Anonymous Tue Jul 7 12:05:27 2015 No.6791999

Schopenhauer is awesome dude, check out his book about Pessimism. There's definitely an "edgelord" contingent of his fans because of his relatively nihilistic view and reader-friendly writing, but he said a lot of shit that i agree with. Kind of like a less ideological Nietzsche

One of the first things he says in that book is about how lame it is to cage birds, which hooked me. Most philosophers pretend they're above complaining about small behaviors but not this chap, check out the "On noise" chapter

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 12:44:14 2015 No.6792106 File: 62 KB, 500x372, peter_singer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6791842 >speciesism

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 12:45:17 2015 No.6792108 File: 40 KB, 403x392, 1400887730413.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6791999 >check out the "On noise" chapter >tfw someone snaps a whip overly loud

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 12:48:31 2015 No.6792117 >>6788425 You're pretty dumb man

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 13:57:43 2015 No.6792394 >>6786851 Why do you keep posting this non-passing tranny?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 14:01:25 2015 No.6792414 >>6792106 >I told the goat to lay down and it did >fucking madman

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 14:15:07 2015 No.6792478 File: 991 KB, 500x281, mfck7d0roB1r0uk58o1_500.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6792394 c'mon, she's not tranny

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 14:16:54 2015 No.6792486 >>6792478 She looks like Michael Myers (the actor) in a wig.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 14:54:36 2015 No.6792647 >>6792486 >implying you wouldn't do Michael Myers in a wig

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 15:14:59 2015 No.6792759 >>6786866 vegan ice-cream exists, but jumbo pots of Mayo don't. She said her favourite film was stalker so obviously she's a phony.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 19:09:16 2015 No.6793983 >>6792478 Her pic is posted in non passing tranny threads on /lgbt/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 19:13:27 2015 No.6794005 >>6793983 ok, this proves she's tranny. well done

Anonymous Tue Jul 7 21:04:29 2015 No.6794628

>>6788843
>"The highest civilization and culture, apart from the ancient Hindus and Egyptians, are found exclusively among the white races; and even with many dark peoples, the ruling caste or race is fairer in colour than the rest and has, therefore, evidently immigrated, for example, the Brahmans, the Incas, and the rulers of the South Sea Islands. All this is due to the fact that necessity is the mother of invention because those tribes that emigrated early to the north, and there gradually became white, had to develop all their intellectual powers and invent and perfect all the arts in their struggle with need, want and misery, which in their many forms were brought about by the climate. This they had to do in order to make up for the parsimony of nature and out of it all came their high civilization"
Just want you to know you're really stupid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 21:05:52 2015 No.6794638 >>6794628 Is he wrong? He was also an abolitionist and wanted the slaves freed.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 21:15:30 2015 No.6794688 >>6794638 That doesn't mean he wasn't racist though. It just means he was an abolitionist. He was big on animal rights too.

Anonymous Tue Jul 7 21:20:13 2015 No.6794715

>>6788843
>>6794628
Oh, also:
"Schopenhauer argued that Christianity constituted a revolt against the materialistic basis of Judaism, exhibiting an Indian-influenced ethics reflecting the Aryan-Vedic theme of spiritual "self-conquest." This he saw as opposed to what he held to be the ignorant drive toward earthly utopianism and superficiality of a worldly Jewish spirit"
I'm beginning I think you didn't even read Schopenhauer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 21:32:26 2015 No.6794764 >>6788980 Schopenhauer was one of the first philosophers to care about animal welfare.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 21:33:05 2015 No.6794767 >>6786851 She looks like a fucking gorilla Gross

>>	Anonymous Tue Jul 7 21:54:42 2015 No.6794866 >>6787869 /r/ing the pic of her with a mustache

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 00:18:56 2015 No.6795448 >>6788664 His influence alone makes him worth reading. It certainly gives a better understanding of the art of the later 19th and early 20th centuries.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 13:46:24 2015 No.6797790 >>6786851 Who is this orgasm sorceress?

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Wed Jul 8 13:50:51 2015 No.6797801 File: 76 KB, 500x750, _mcyr7h1tTJ1q.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] She's pretty. I don't care what you say.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:16:19 2015 No.6797911 >>6788714 If you were on reddit you would get downvoted so hard, that's probably why you are on 4chan

Anonymous Wed Jul 8 14:23:04 2015 No.6797947
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Grimes favorite reads

Anonymous - Das Nibelungenlied
JD Salinger - Franny and Zooey
Nabokov - Nikolai Gogol
Leon Uris - Exodus
Dostoevsky - Notes From Underground
Mark Twain - Personal Recollections of Joan of Arc, by the Sieur Louis de Conte
Stanislaw Lem - Solaris
Bulgakov - The Master and Margarita
Gogol - Arabesques
Anonymous - 1001 Nights

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