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[Anonymous No.6783722]

What's the cure for nihilism aside from suicide or whatever hedonistic bullshit you will reply with?

[Anonymous No.6783738]

You're not a nihilist, just an angsty emo kid who feels sorry for himself.

[Anonymous No.6783740]

>>6783738
/thread

[Anonymous No.6783746]

>>6783722
if you think nihilism is something that the concept of "curing" applies to, you do not understand nihilism.

[Anonymous No.6783748]

>>6783738

LOL

[Anonymous No.6783749]

>>6783722
Hedonistic bullshit, obviously.

Either that, or you delude yourself into being idealistic, in any way. Religion maybe.
Or start doing something to get your mind off of nihilism.
Nihilism doesn't bother you much if you'd actually bother to do, well anything. Stop using it as an excuse, pretty much.

[Anonymous No.6783755]

Start with the classics.

Watch Evangelion, bro. Whole series + EoE. It made me the man I am today.

[Anonymous No.6783756]

in a capitalistic/patriarchal world life holds very little meaning, to be honest, and recognizing the validity of that is helpful.

[Anonymous No.6783757]

>>6783749

Only intelligent reply ITT. The rest of you are psueds

[Anonymous No.6783761]

If nothing matters, what you believe doesn't matter, either, so you might as well believe something that makes you happy.

[Anonymous No.6783762]

>>6783755
looks like you're pretending rebuild doesn't exist.

[Anonymous No.6783767]

>>6783761
What's the point of caring about happiness?

[Anonymous No.6783768]

>>6783762
I am, although 1.01 wasn't bad.

[Anonymous No.6783774]

>>6783762
Seriously though, why did he choke her AFTER the third impact?

>>6783767
You're hardwired to enjoy it. Being aware of that does not negate this enjoyment.

[Anonymous No.6783778]

>>6783768
1.11 wasn't any different than the OS though.

2.22 is where it really began to pander to the widespread audience.

3.33 is where anno's mind really kicks into gear, this is the one you should take seriously if you consider your life to be heavily influenced by NGE.

[Anonymous No.6783780]

>>6783774
To find out if she was real, or just part of another created reality he made during Human Instrumentality. If she fought back while he chocked her, it meant she had an independent will and existed outside of his own will

[Anonymous No.6783785]

what do you do when you start taking a new med for bipolar and you become nihilistic as shit in a matter of a month and people no longer even look the same physically and you realize everything people do is retarded (including yourself)

[Anonymous No.6783790]

>>6783767
If you refuse to make any qualitative judgments whatsoever, then there is no basis for a philosophy to emerge and no basis for further discussion.

I guess you're enlightened and, perhaps, just drift off into Nirvana when you die.

[Anonymous No.6783795]

>>6783785
You embrace the absurd.

[Anonymous No.6783796]

>>6783785
embrace your new nihilistic philosophical outlook. there's no evidence that nihilism is intrinsically wrong or bad.

[Anonymous No.6783799]

>>6783780

Nah, Shinji ain't that smart he just wanted to fuck a dead bitch LOL

[Anonymous No.6783800]

The only things that are pointless are things that lead nowhere, and you can't say "everything leads nowhere" because that mentality itself leads nowhere by its very nature.

[Anonymous No.6783804]

Babble babble babble, words without meaning, now that we have separated real-time discussion from voice (and how unfortunate), we can say, I MEAN WRITE, all sorts of pretensious bullshit that we would never say, because we would sound pretensious as shit. Don't believe in what you write if you wouldn't say it.

Because nihilism is now interchangeable with Nietzsche and the most vivid representation of Nietzsche's spirit is in the angsty adolescent, and the latest memorable (mass) form of the angsty adolescent the >>6783738

Nihilism separated from the angsty existentialists sloppy treatment of it can be seen as an highly optimistic and liberating view this is a non-sequitor

[Anonymous No.6783808]

>>6783800
I know you somewhat tried but this post is not logically sound.

[Anonymous No.6783811]

>>6783795

This seems like the most logical step. I really don't think I'm coming back from this. What you two anon said seems like the best step. Nihilism and the absurd are all I have left

[Anonymous No.6783818]

>>6783799

See this post for an example of absurdity, my bipolar friend

[Anonymous No.6783821]

>>6783800

There are no word-roads, things lead nowhere, they are its own place

[Anonymous No.6783825]

>>6783804

So how exactly is seeing no purpose in anything going to bring you happiness LOL

[Anonymous No.6783830]

>>6783821
Everything leads to entropy.

[Anonymous No.6783831]

>>6783811

Agreed, the media is nihilistic and absurd you must embrace it. Make a musical about Caitlyn Jenner

[Anonymous No.6783832]

>>6783800
this statement doesn't make sense. just to help you understand where you are fucking up:

>1) "The only things that are pointless are things that lead nowhere"
this is a claim with no basis, and assumes that concepts such as "pointlessness" inherently exist.

>2) "you can't say "everything leads nowhere" because that mentality itself leads nowhere by its very nature."
Not only does this have a subjective opinion of what "nowhere" means that also has no basis in observable reality, there is a huge flaw in the logic of this statement.

By your own definitions, someone who says "everything leads nowhere" isn't contradicting themselves at all if their mentality in fact, leads nowhere. If saying "everything leads nowhere" went "somewhere", the statement would contradict itself.

[Anonymous No.6783835]

>>6783831

You're right, at least the absurd still makes me laugh. Thanks bro

[Anonymous No.6783846]

Sadly, I think it's a developmental disorder.

The earlier you have sex, the less likely you are to have it.

There are no nihilist poonhounds. Philosophy is an error. We should all be barbarians.

[Anonymous No.6783853]

>>6783825
I never needed to see "purpose" in things that is an highly Hollywood view of life. Nihilism is not anomie

[Anonymous No.6783868]

God

[Anonymous No.6783869]

>>6783846
>We should all be barbarians.
is/ought problem, unsound argument.

[Anonymous No.6783874]

>>6783846
>There are no nihilist poonhounds

[Anonymous No.6783876]

>>6783846
That painting is a romanticization of barbarianism. In actual fact barbarianism looks something like this.

[Anonymous No.6783877]

>>6783846
You're right. It's those damn absurdists who are getting all the pussy.

[Anonymous No.6783878]

>>6783869
It is sound it just smells wrong to you. Maybe it is an opinion, not an argument, and the requirement for understanding it is not acknowledging the "is/ought problem." Like most of us don't seem to care about 3rd world problems

[Anonymous No.6783879]

the Good

[Anonymous No.6783884]

Nihilism can't be truth because truth is indestructible and nihilism is weak.

[Anonymous No.6783885]

>>6783846

>implying I care about pussy

I'm a nihilist bro I don't care bout nothing

[Anonymous No.6783888]

Read Nietzsche's Will to Power. It's his critique of nihilism. Of all philosopher's who have dealt with nihilism, Nietzsche has done it the best.

From the preface:

>Of what is great one must either be silent or speak with greatness. With greatness--that means cynically and with innocence.

[Anonymous No.6783891]

To the bipolar guy looking to embrace gather absurd:

Worldstarhiphop.com

You're welcome fam

[Anonymous No.6783900]

>>6783853
>I never needed to see "purpose" in things that is an highly Hollywood view of life.

Not really. Hollywood breeds nihilism. The fairytale schlock they peddle leads to nihilism because it's so vacuous. Many of its films aren't fairytales though, they are just thoroughly nihilist.

[Anonymous No.6783902]

>>6783878
the "should" turns it into an argument, as you are arguing a point, regardless if it is an opinion or not.

I don't see how third world issues are relevant. are you suggesting we ought to care? you can't derive an "ought" from an "is".

[Anonymous No.6783913]

>>6783900

[Anonymous No.6783917]

>you can't derive an "ought" from an "is".

Of course you can.
Hume was just a sophist and should not be taken seriously.

[Anonymous No.6783926]

>>6783917
>Hume was just a sophist and should not be taken seriously.
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.6783935]

>>6783926
http://www.philosophy.uncc.edu/mleldrid/cmt/mmp.html

[Anonymous No.6783972]

The Edda

[Anonymous No.6783974]

>>6783722
Acknowledge that subjective meaning is just as good as the impossible objective meaning to an emotional creature and live your damn life.

Get out of your house and do some emotional things, meet people, connect with things, bask in the beauty of the natural world. You don't win browning points with some ephemeral embodiment of objectivity by casting subjective, that is emotional, meaning in life aside, only miserable, wasted-life points.

[Anonymous No.6783981]

>>6783900

Nihilists are usually those who lament for not viewing purpose to life because they were predisposed to finding it. Hollywood tales are almost invariably about the quest for meaning. Whether or not they do is a matter of indifference. You can't perceive vacuousness if you haven't seen its opposite. You cannot portray nihilism as so if you haven't seen its opposite.

Ultimately I believe in the coexistence of opposites as well as in their equivalence

What am I on about, I'm a bit tired. The world becomes 2D, don't let it anons, reality will shock you and you won't find words for the truly surprising aspects of it. At least not immediately.

pic unrelated

I'll flip a coin and see if I post this

[Anonymous No.6783988]

>>6783974
>ephemeral
I mean to say metaphysical.

[Anonymous No.6784000]

>>6783974

Don't worry anon you need not separate emotion from reason, objectivity from subjectivity, I mean, academically so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descartes%27_Error

[Anonymous No.6784046]

>>6783935
>this entire document
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.6785904]

>>6783738
I don't think there's a difference.

[None !!lZetafI6z8s No.6785918]

goals and pursuits which are meaningful to you

[Anonymous No.6785922]

>>6783722
I will probably stop being nihilistic as soon as someone figures out a way to cure my psoriasis

[None !!lZetafI6z8s No.6785924]

and laughter

(replying to your idea of nihilism aka a crisis of meaning, not nihilism as negative (negate-ive) philosophy btw)

[None !!lZetafI6z8s No.6785930]

another option: tranquility

[Anonymous No.6785942]

>>6783738
FUCKING REKT

[Anonymous No.6785951]

Theistic Absurdism > Suicide via nihilism

[None !!lZetafI6z8s No.6785963]

>>6785951
heady self-contexualization like that is low tier

[Anonymous No.6785976]

>>6785963

Um.

It's absurdism with the belief in a higher power.

Your butthurt is showing.

[Anonymous No.6785997]

read more

[Anonymous No.6785999]

>>6783722
Become strong. The emptiness of nihilism is a canvas.

[Anonymous No.6786510]

>>6783722
Just stop spending so much time thinking about death or your role in the broader world. Nihilism is the consequence of an over-analyzed life.

Alternately, enthusiastically embrace a religion that promises an afterlife, so that the temporary nature of your mortal life no longer strips existence of meaning/purpose.

[Anonymous No.6786519]

>>6783722
accepting it.

[Anonymous No.6786527]

You can twist your titties any way you want, but at the end of the day you're still gonna have to get on with your life until you die.

So either kill yourself, no shame in that, or try to find a harmony between yourself and the world and try to achieve contentment.

[Anonymous No.6787502]

>>6783722

Create your own values to live by.

[Anonymous No.6787522]

>>6783722
If you were a true nihilist, you wouldn't be looking for a cure. It's not a "disposition", it is a truth of our existence. I'm a nihilist and I get alone just fine without needing to be "cured".

[Anonymous No.6787525]

>>6787522
Get along* just fine

[Anonymous No.6787527]

>>6787522
>If you were a true homosexual. you wouldn't be looking for a cure. It's not a "disposition", it is a truth of our existence. I'm a gay and I get alone just fine without needing to be "cured".

[Anonymous No.6787529]

>>6787527
not even close to being able to compare it that way. Homosexuality isn't a religion retard. Please go back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.6787537]

>>6787527
>if you were a true faggot, you wouldn't be looking for a cure. It's not a "disposition", it is a truth of my existence. I'm a fag and get alone just fine without needing to be "cured"

[Anonymous No.6788849]

>>6783722
first principles

[Anonymous No.6788862]

>>6783722
Negating the will to life.

[Anonymous No.6788892]

>>6788862
which seems to me to be only feasible through suicide

[Anonymous No.6788972]

>>6783761
this the most. realising that nothing matters is the most freeing thing one can do. it releases one from the bounds of a "higher obligation" (not necessarily a god; any sort of strict moral code works here too) while still allowing an adherence to the spirit of your own ideal morality, a system where the rules can be bent on occasion and improved over time. plus, assuming you're not a psychopath, that humans naturally feel self-fulfilment through helping one another will lead to a moral system that is mostly in line with laws and religious values that the rest of society worships.

[Anonymous No.6789161]

>>6783722
Why are you implying nihilism is problematic?

[Anonymous No.6789295]

Catholicism

[Anonymous No.6789388]

>>6789295
this. OP you need some Chesterton. Read Orthodoxy

[Anonymous No.6789951]

>>6783722
Read the Bible. Seriously, might as well give it a try.

[Anonymous No.6789999]

>>6783804

>Because nihilism is now interchangeable with Nietzsche

Look at him. Look at him and laugh.

[Anonymous No.6790219]

>>6789951
>>6789388
>>6789295
*tips fedora*

[Anonymous No.6790940]

>>6783722
I could very well be deluding myself, but here's how I "got over" it.

Thinking about it, it made me realize that nihilism is a pretty arrogant world view, as it implies humans can have absolute understanding of the universe.

We might be by far the most advanced species on the planet, but we're still just great apes. Our intellect is not infinite. There will come a time when humans will create computers that far surpass human intellect itself - a clear sign of our limitation as biological beings.

When I go take my dog to the vet in the car, the dog does not understand that I'm in control of the car and that my actions are responsible for the car moving. The dog simply cannot comprehend that, it's beyond its understanding. So why shouldn't there be things that are beyond human understanding as well?

Think about the universe. We know that the universe is constantly expanding. We also know that the universe does not have "borders". There is no "wall" that separates the universe from non-universe.

We don't know what happened before the Big Bang. Is the universe cyclical, going from Big Bang to Big Crunch in an infinite cycle? Did the material universe always exist? I have not seen any strong argument against the concept of prime mover, except that quantum physics tells us that there is something similar to creation of something out of nothing possible - but it's still not the same thing. The prime mover doesn't need to be a conscious, intelligent entity, a deity, it's enough to believe that it's possible that something outside of the physical universe we can interact with exists.

I've always been an irreligious person with a physicalist world view. I couldn't find any argument for the existence of anything outside of our reality. That's why this affected me, it changed me from "there is no way, 0% chance whatsoever of anything higher existing" to "there is a chance we might not know", and that came as a huge "relief" to me.