I know this is hard to quantify, but how much more "well-read" do you feel than the average person? I'm on that level when I feel detached and alienated in 99% of the enviroments I'm in. There are many times when during the conversation I think to myself "I just can't talk to these people"

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Anonymous Sun Jul 5 08:11:06 2015 No.6781715 [Reply] [Original]

I know this is hard to quantify, but how much more "well-read" do you feel than the average person?

I'm on that level when I feel detached and alienated in 99% of the enviroments I'm in. There are many times when during the conversation I think to myself "I just can't talk to these people"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 08:14:02 2015 No.6781723 I find myself unable to discuss basic geography with people in my environment. Most people dont give two shits about Academic and Intellectual discussion, but its always been like that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 08:23:59 2015 No.6781738 true intellectuals can converse with people from all backgrounds you're stuck in pseud territory. reading has nothing to do with it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 08:25:05 2015 No.6781740 >>6781715 I think you are just autistic. I am quite well read and 99% of people I speak to have no idea about the things I read about but I can still talk to them.

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 08:26:55 2015 No.6781746 [DELETED]

>>6781715
Talking to people in real life is the equivalent of meme-ing on here. But even more rudimentary.

Reading is not the only factor in my alienation, as reading is only a stimulus for intellectual thought and desire for such intercourse. A person's aptitude for critical thought and analysis plays more to it I think, these people normally being the more read and readers is only an a side effect.

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 08:31:28 2015 No.6781756

>>6781738
>true intellectuals can converse with people from all backgrounds

I kind of doubt this, anon. Intellectual enviroments tend to be very insular, and when you show up to the "normal world" you're like the farm boy who is new to the city. You can't really hide it, you can't fit in. People can tell through your choice of topics and words, and they react accordingly, sometimes feeling intimidated.

When I try to tone down I'm as convincing as Clinton in Selma, with that southern accent.

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 08:34:55 2015 No.6781768

Almost this
>>6781738
Only edit I would make would be to get rid of "true intellectuals" and replace it with . . . I'm not sure exactly what, but something.

The point is, you should be able to talk to practically anyone. I probably have read and read more than all but a fraction of a percentage of the population, and I regularly speak with people of a variety of backgrounds, including a law professor who also has a Ph.D. in economics and is among the top 5 or so most prestigious scholars currently working in his field, dense college students who have never and will never read anything not asaignes for a class, and homeless people hanging out around the pond across the street from where I live.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 08:37:55 2015 No.6781773 >>6781768 How many times a day do you lay on your bed and fantasize about people talking about you the same way you've just talked about yourself?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 08:43:04 2015 No.6781784 >>6781756 >People can tell through your choice of topics and words that's why you get better at not doing that through socialising more often instead of reading

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 08:44:21 2015 No.6781789 >>6781715 If you've read Ulysses and either understood it or read annotations that enabled you to understand it you can say you're well read.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 09:07:13 2015 No.6781841 >>6781715 about 5%

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 09:08:56 2015 No.6781844 >>6781738 This is just feel-good nonsense. There were plenty of elite level scholars who were huge, elitist assholes. Being intelligent is generally independent of being a nice person.

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>>6781715
More than most but not a lot.
I often make a little remark about reading or ask about it, if I don't get an immediate reaction I move on because I don't want to be that guy.

I used to be more what you described and my only advice is to take life less serious.

>>6781738
https://theamericanscholar.org/the-disadvantages-of-an-elite-education/

I found this text interesting but can't confirm much since I grew up with no money or class.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 09:38:24 2015 No.6781898 >>6781715 >I just can't talk to these people Why, exactly? Can't you talk about something other than literature? I read more than all of my friends, who only read YA, if anything. We just talk about our other interests.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 09:44:17 2015 No.6781914 >>6781715 >I'm on that level when I feel detached and alienated in 99% of the enviroments I'm in. There are many times when during the conversation I think to myself "I just can't talk to these people" Thread hidden

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 09:45:34 2015 No.6781915 >>6781898 I think the point is you want to socially connect but can't bridge. Don't want to talk about shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 09:46:44 2015 No.6781917 >>6781914 Why? >Being this closed minded. Or one of them plebs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 10:04:54 2015 No.6781966 I think the point is you want to see how men are not in their preponderance and pre-eminence; in short, not the only factor in my alienation, as reading is only an a side effect.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 10:08:45 2015 No.6781972 What you're quantifying is your intelligence. In my view, you can't claim to be intelligent unless you are more intelligent than Albert Einstein was.

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 10:17:52 2015 No.6781993

>>6781738
This right here is why I don't consider myself "well-read". I've read a lot of books, sure, but I can't get along with people so well and am stuck a lonely hermit in my apartment. Reading philosophy has helped me come to terms with this fate; hoping that if I keep doing research I will in psychology or philosophy find *something* that resonates with me and makes me less fucking autistic around the "average person".

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 10:18:35 2015 No.6781995 >>6781972 Retard

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 10:22:28 2015 No.6782004

>>6781715
i constantly have the feeling of "i just can't talk to these people" but i don't think it relates to reading.

and it happens with people more and less well read than i am.

and i can enjoy great conversations with a handful of people, some less well read some more well read.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 10:31:38 2015 No.6782044 >>6781966 Are you quoting somebody?

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 13:45:19 2015 No.6782851

I get bored to death when I have to talk to other people about cultural interests. I'm almost always the youngest in the group (at work, for example) and when I have to get in a conversation about literature, science or music specially, I have to do the extra effort of restricting my experience to that of my 12-year-old self.

Most people I know only read the Millenium saga and A song of ice and fire.

With music is even worse. Heard the other day at work: "Do you guys like jazz? I do like jazz a lot, I once went to a Diana Krall concert".
I had to fight HARD against the urge to punch him in the face

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 14:08:41 2015 No.6782968

>>6781715
I'm definitely more well-read than the average person, at least in the US where reading isn't a typical hobby anymore. My understanding and perception of existence come largely from what I've read and how I've processed information presented to me, and it's put me on a level where I often understand exactly how and why people make the conclusions about themselves and their life that they do.

This doesn't make them any less difficult to talk to. It just makes me talk about different things with them. I can talk to anyone about anything and learn something from the conversation. That's way better than only thinking people are worth talking to if they want to talk about non-cognitivistic phenomenological egoism or the details and origin of viral homogenizing world-wide monoculture or other things that would throw up cognitive dissonance walls in 90% of the population. I'll just talk to them about something they're more interested in, there's usually something I can bring from such a conversation anyway. And if all else fails and they really are boring, sometimes I just spook them with solipsistic reasoning trying to convince them they're a simulated character in an educational environment, so that I can at least have some fun.

I don't pretend to be better than these people, many people I talk to though their beliefs are based in reificative baseless claims are successful in society and I am not, as I tend to reject the structure of society and have spent years finding ways to manipulate it to my advantage, not entirely successfully. There is really no evidence to suggest someone trying to do what I'm doing is intrinsically better than an agnosticish christian man managing a restaurant. I just do what I do with what I've got, and that's a stupid amount of historical, cosmological, biological, anthropological and philosophical knowledge. Doesn't make me an intrinsically happier or superior person.

If you feel like you can only talk to 1% of people, I would say that chances are you're not very intelligent.

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 14:13:40 2015 No.6782987

>>6781715
Sometimes I find talking to "well-read" people more fruitless and obnoxious than regular people. It's always about how x is so "interesting" and "fascinating" but then there's no real following of the implications of x, it's just left as that, interesting and fascinating. Or how they want to "explore" or "discuss" a certain theme or topic. And then never actually seem to with any depth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 14:28:04 2015 No.6783045 I just started a new job and everybody is always making the sort of jokey banter I expect small children to make and they don't know anything. I just can't dumb my brain down that much.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 14:30:00 2015 No.6783054 They are trying to make me play app games. They are trying to make me play app games. They are trying to make me play app games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 16:25:13 2015 No.6783562 >>6782851 Diana Krall is a fine jazz artist. I will punch you in the face because you're a worthless Miles, Coltrane, Mingus, the list goes on pleb who thinks he's some patrician.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 16:30:51 2015 No.6783588 >>6781773 I've been on /lit/ for a while and this is the first time I think someone's response to a post of mine is actual projection. To answer your question anyway, roughly zero.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 16:33:49 2015 No.6783597 >>6781715 +3 to humanities +2 to naturalism +1 to philosophy

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 16:44:28 2015 No.6783648 >>6781844 I'd add on that it's also independent of being socially aware.

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 16:52:00 2015 No.6783675

>>6781715
>>6781768
>>6781972
>>6782851
>>6782968
I fucking hate this board.

>>6782987
It's probably because they are just "well-read". They are probably only bringing up those ideas or authors to get social reinforcement that they are an intellectual. As soon as someone agrees and says "Oh yeah, that is interesting, you should look into that", they have satisfied a desire and don't really need to ever go deeper into the topic.

Here's a related study: http://interruptions.net/literature/Wicklund-BASP81.pdf

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 16:52:30 2015 No.6783677 >>6781844 >>6783648 pray son how do you define intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 16:53:04 2015 No.6783681 >>6781738 Lol look at this psued. No autism zone brosiph

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 16:55:14 2015 No.6783689 >>6783677 I don't think we could agree on a definition, but I know there are people I wouldn't consider intelligent that are socially aware enough to hold conversations with whoever they meet.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 16:56:17 2015 No.6783691 >>6781715 more well read, because i can't talk about books with anyone unless it's hunger games or a song of ice and fire i don't consider that an accomplishment, by the way

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 16:57:18 2015 No.6783693

>>6781715
I'm pretty well-read in the sense that I've delved into history and philosophy more deeply than the average joe but in absolute terms I'm a total fucking pleb.

Also there's literally no point in being some .01% elite intellectual if you're living in your head. there's a whole world out there nigga aint nobody got time for hm, yes discussions on dialectical phenomenological monism

>in b4 "that doesn't make sense"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 17:19:56 2015 No.6783798 >Also there's literally no point in being some .01% elite intellectual if you're living in your head Oh look, another retard vomiting up (baseless) subjective value judgements and treating them like objective truth.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 17:38:13 2015 No.6783882 >>6781844 >There were plenty of elite level scholars who were huge, elitist assholes. This is my goal in life.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 17:40:19 2015 No.6783890 >>6783798 lit prof who eats alone in the faculty lounge spotted

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 17:41:42 2015 No.6783897 >>6781715 Daily reminder that if you haven't read every book on this list then you can't call yourself well-read. >http://foreignlanguageexpertise.com/great_books.html

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 17:46:02 2015 No.6783923

People I know who define their life through reading always seem to read complete crap. I don't even consider myself well read, but I'll find myself pulling obscure history and science out of somewhere in my mind.

I also read for plot, which is why I love history. Infinite plots, infinite suspense, and always surprises. If you love craft go read the koran.

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 17:48:12 2015 No.6783937
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I don't mean to sound superior but I am probably smarter than 98% of the general public, and 90% of /lit/. Their IQ is probably closer to that of a monkey than it is to one such as me.

I'm smarter than 100% of christfags and every teacher I've ever had. I actually was placed in the library because many of my teachers acknowledged there is nothing they could do for me.

Being truly gifted is a lonely life, for consolation I read biographies of Galileo, Aristotle and Mozart, and remember that such is the destiny of great men.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 17:54:57 2015 No.6783970 guys guys simmer down you're all equally insufferable

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 17:55:14 2015 No.6783973 >>6783675 that's an interesting study. definitely worth exploring.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 17:57:01 2015 No.6783984 The average person hasn't read any books since they got out of school >>6781738 this

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 18:49:03 2015 No.6784205

I wouldn't call it well read but I'm continually reminded how stupid people really are, and how that perpetuates the dull lives they live

>>6781738
This is that kind of egalitarian generality that just sounds so great in theory because it dismisses the glaring reality that most people are failing at their disgusting lives, the kind of simplistic self sustaining mentality, lacking any tested substance that everyone can agree with because it promotes the popular mediocrity and allows everyone to keep living as they were

But in reality, when you do like to think about things and not only does no one around you have any in what's outside of their bubble, but are also incapable of in depth meta discussion on their own interests, it can feel alienating

Social contentment is at best the loosest correlator of intellectual fulfillment

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 19:03:16 2015 No.6784269

>>6782968
This is a good post
I'm >>6784205
I'm not well read to be honest, which only further alienates me because I'm not working with the same buzzwords, and typically in parallel postulates to standard intellectuals

I didn't know what the term cognitive dissonance meant, but I was trying to describe it to a friend last night in regards to how weirded out I am by people, and my habit of peeling them back and seeing how fucked up they are [cognitive dissonance]
I have the tendency to press on it, I've been known to bully with it, and it's an epidemic that really interests me

If we're talking about control, if I had to guess, this is the key to it

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 19:11:51 2015 No.6784308

>>6784269
I've noticed this kind of elitist "heh, OTHER people amirite?" attitude forever now and it is tiring. Look to your own rationalizations, your own cognitive dissonance. Your own useless, wasteful, unnecessary degenerate behaviors. Hone yourself. Lead by example.

tl;dr do you nigga or stfu

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 19:19:48 2015 No.6784344 >>6781715 Social skills are something you can get through practice. If you can't carry on a normal conversation it's not because you read it's because you don't talk to people enough.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 19:30:58 2015 No.6784388 >>6784308 Are you talking about the anon or the people anon is describing? I agree with him about how stupid a lot of people are and how dull their lives are even though mine is just as dull, if not duller

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 19:34:22 2015 No.6784402 >>6784308 heh, those OTHER tiring elitist useless wasteful unnecessary people, amirite?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 19:41:43 2015 No.6784420 >>6784402 Any person who sincerely believes in his heart of hearts 99% of people are dumb and lead dull lives needs to grow up. Sorry this triggers you.

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 19:58:16 2015 No.6784493

>>6784308
I'm being pretty specific about these other people, how they defer from me and I'm implying that the person reading the post is most likely included (not making any appeals)

But I definitely wasn't making any real statements about myself or aspirations
Reading the cognitive dissonance wiki article is really bringing home the importance of environment and self satisfaction (I use this term optimistically) in regards to mental productivity
>study showing music can reduce dissonance
>washing hands

>>6784388
The friction caused by new experience creates a spark that might make life a little more bright

If cognitive dissonance is the disease, and it correlates to sticking to one's ways, then the cure seems pretty evident

>>6784402
Ayyy

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 20:08:35 2015 No.6784530 >>6784493 I'm gonna take my own advice and not keep projecting attitudes on you that are probably off the mark. Do your thing brah

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 20:10:24 2015 No.6784536 >>6784493 >defer End ur life stupid

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 20:25:14 2015 No.6784578

>>6781844
He said nothing of being nice or socially aware. What's in question is how well read one is. I think it stand that if you're really well read you'll have a desire to be well rounded and have witnissed all the pieces of the world, not just the library and your proffesor's pubic hair as you suck him off. Well read, well rounded people should be cabable, if they wished, to converse with different kinds of people than just "intellectuals"

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 22:31:57 2015 No.6784950

I read 2 books entirely in my whole life, but can't connect to other people as well.
That may be because I'm an asocial piece of shit.

If you think you are "superior" to those who don't read because you know something about a subject they don't, that's fine.
Just don't make them notice.
If you are unable to do that, you will live a sad and complicated life.

Anonymous Sun Jul 5 23:42:49 2015 No.6785220

Being more well-read than the average American isn't difficult at all. Assuming he isn't literally illiterate, he likely either reads nothing at all or purely multi-volume fantasy epics. You could read one single pleb-tier "literary" book in your life (say, The Stranger), and "well-read" compared to an American.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 23:44:34 2015 No.6785227 File: 32 KB, 400x332, 1243309636920.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw someone tells me I should read Haruki Murakami

>>	Anonymous Sun Jul 5 23:45:21 2015 No.6785229 >>6783937 kek

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 00:03:40 2015 No.6785297

Most people on /lit/ have probably lived amongst above average people for so long that they have absolutely no clue what average actually is. Posts such as this >>6781738 speak to such a glaringly sheltered view of the world that I can only sit back and wonder if you've even been in the workforce before. Let me tell you something, most people are pretty fucking stupid. It seems as though the posters in this thread espousing ideas similar to that of the aforementioned poster get their ideas of the everyman from fiction. A picture of modesty and humble wisdom. Good, salt of the earth folks who might not be able to talk about Derrida, but sure as hell can teach you something important about your day-to-day life or offer up a simple but profound emotional truth.

This portrait couldn't be further from the truth. Most talk is centered around nonsense. Most thoughts consist of "DUDE SHE HAS FUCKING GREAT TITS DUDE" or "DUDE ROMO IS THE BIGGEST FUCKING CHOKER EVER DUDE, FUCK HIM, HE'LL NEVER WIN A RING". The conversations always revolve around pop culture tabloid trash and the opinions of the speaker always consist of recycled, trite garbage. The fact of the matter is that most people don't have anything to offer intellectually because there is simply no field or endeavour that most people can contribute to or talent or positive attribute that most people have. If you don't understand this, you don't understand distributions amongst populations. Or perhaps you've just been so accustomed to being around people who attend or have attended a top 100 university, work at a desk, or can lay claim to any other metric that puts one above ~75% of the population that you think this is an entirely "average" characteristic. It isn't

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 00:16:30 2015 No.6785337 >>6783562 Now you're just embarrassing yourself

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 00:48:21 2015 No.6785454 conversations don't have to be intellectual, if you can't be entertained talking to average people you have a shitty personality imo

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 00:55:45 2015 No.6785475 >>6783973 ;e;

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>>6785297
lol.

i've learned so much about just shooting the shit with people at house parties. their jobs, their skills, where they're from, not to mention funny stories.

if you love life and aren't some perenially assmad sperglord it's a genuine pleasure to learn a little bit about all the other lives being led out there. you sound like a dweeb tbh

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 01:44:57 2015 No.6785643

OP, pretty much everyone I know with your attitude are usually dumbasses that wanna sound smart and usually aren't. You sound like a girl I know that posts book pics and quotes on fb all day and when you talk to her about anything "intellectual" she is shallow and dumb af.

Reality check: you all people in this thread do mundane stuff and enjoy silly stuff everyday, cause that's good and fun. Some people just wanna do just that and that's fine lol.
Is it nice to have an "intellectual conversation" and bla bla bla? Yeah, sure, you don't need to talk only about that though. And talk about that with people who are interested in that and stop the "omg people who aren't interested in that are soo dumb" bs.

>>6781844
Agreed. But it is also independent of how many books you read and generally independent from pretty much anything edgy assholes consider to be traits of "smart ppl".

>>6782987
Exactly. The only real problem I have when talking about books, music, etc with people is that I know that the moment I mention what I like/why I like they are gonna be like "OH RIGHT HE IS ONE OF THOSE HUGE MORONS".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 01:45:47 2015 No.6785649 >>6781738 this is true lots of autism itt, bless you anon for spitting truth in the second reply

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 01:56:48 2015 No.6785701 You either argument on a point or you don't. Think you know more about something? Are you mad because of someone's view on something? Then fucking talk about it you fucker. Why would you read then? Fucking snobs.

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 02:28:32 2015 No.6785791

I'll share stories about two girls I've been with for the contrast, cause this is very relevant imo.

1st one is a qt friend of a friend of mine, met her, then my friend says she liked me and wanted to talk. Girl was the "tfw no smart lit bf" type, wants to have "intellectual conversations", only says bullshit though, drops the most obvious remarks about any book or philosopher or whatever thinking she is cool. Edgy as fuck, "omg people are so dumb amirite?". I really can't stand that shit.
Pretty much a spoiled edgy girl that googles what books are "good", reads them and think she is now super smart because of that.

Then there's this girl I'm currently kinda going out with/trying to/I seriously don't know wtf is going on/hope it goes somewhere.
> Hasn't been to college yet (although planning to)
> Currently reading 50 shades of grey
> "What is Nietzsche?"
> Has never heard about anything I listen to, listen to only stuff I don't like much
> Has never heard of any books I like
Yet she has good points and interesting stuff to say about everything I talk about and when there's something she never heard of or doesn't know she just asks what that is and seems to be interested and understand what I say pretty well and usually has something to say about that as well (something that she thought by herself instead of reading a book review or a chinese pidgeon board btw).
On top of that she is also the nicest and most fun person I've met in ages, works and kinda takes care of herself since she was very young and I find it amazing how we get along so well despite apparently having 0 common tastes.

So idk edgelords, compare both and take from this what you want.

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 02:33:55 2015 No.6785814

It's important to acknowledge that people have their own nuances to their everday, and that everyone can experience critical or profound thught.
However, it's easy to understand why this doesn't happen for most people. Much of American society is centered around routines, with gaps filled in by spectacle. People work for their wages, go home to watch TV and surf the internet. Social outings are padded by people hunched over their smartphones, reading after trivia, or having a safe conversation over texts.

Now, I wont pretend to be a disciplined scholar. I browse 4chan more than I should, and I watch dumb shit on youtube. However, I enjoy discussions over abstract matters like philosophy, or read complex novels and works. I learn from them, and the knowledge goes toward betterment, and has the added bonus of feeling gratified. Can the average person say the same through familiar, comfortable participation in passive and social media?

I think the thing some anons in this thread are getting assmad over is humility. Humility is important, but in the right way. There is someone smarter than you, more capaable, someone wiser and more experienced.

I have no problem talking to normal, average people, but their conversation doesn't feel as fulfilling as it is with someone that is well-read. Oftentimes I will probe to see if someome does have an interest in 'intellectual' matters, and I've made some good friends this way, but if they don't seem involved or give a noncommital answer, then I drop ot, and go back to talking about videogames, or the weather.

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 02:36:52 2015 No.6785821
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That's just being an autist. If you were truly intelligent and 'well-read', you'd know how human interaction worked and would put effort into emulating it. See pic for further details.

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 02:38:02 2015 No.6785826

I feel weird because I read a lot but I am still stupid and I know it. I even read philosophy but actually never finished high school (it is common in my country since there are other types of education).
Usually when I meet people who think they are so much smarter and better than other people they really are just pretentious and have so much prejudice towards others.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 02:47:27 2015 No.6785855 >>6785826 So in other words you don't actually believe you're stupid, and you think all those 'pretentious' people are dumber because you're angry that they know more than you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 02:50:19 2015 No.6785864 >>6785855 No no, I think that there are actually smart people that don't have any problems talking to different types of people but then there are people like OP who thinks they are smart but actually isn't. I've met these people so that is my opinion.

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 03:05:50 2015 No.6785913

What I'm confused about is what you actually talk about if you don't share an interest in books/music/films/whatever intellectual pursuit with the person you're talking too. Like yeah I know about FORD, but what comes after that? How can you have a long-term relationship with someone who you doesn't share the same intellectual pursuits as you?

I feel like if someone is an intellectual you can almost always have a meaningful conversation
with them because both of you are capable of articulating your thoughts and bringing new things on the table, but then there are those people who just make face-value judgements on things and you can't really talk about anything because they don't say anything more than their face-value judgement.

I feel as if when I'm talking to people who don't want to engage in a meaningful conversation I'll just spout bullshit and leave the conversation not any closer to the person I was talking too. Sure I'll know more about them, but I won't feel any closer.

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 04:26:31 2015 No.6786066

>>6785297
I agree with this.

After I spent some time in academia around smart people I had this "salt of the earth" view of ordinary people because I forgot how irritating and inane they are. Having been in the real world a bit since, I have remembered what I knew as a bright teenager; most people are neither smart nor wise.

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 04:51:47 2015 No.6786105

>how much more "well-read" do you feel than the average person?
>In the US, 75% of people 16 years and older read at least one book last year, of those people the average number of books read was 15 but the median, which is more representative of the average american, was 6.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 06:43:27 2015 No.6786301 >>6781738 Haha and here's the obligatory idiot who cannot accept the simple and true premise in OP's post on the grounds that he does not feel the same, since he is in fact one of the idiots.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 06:56:19 2015 No.6786321 >>6781972 I agree. You also cannot be dissatisfied with your life unless you're an Eritrean transvestite suffering from AIDS while having 9 starving children.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 07:01:38 2015 No.6786329 >>6781715 You sound like my roommate. He's studying politics and focuses on Marx, Kant etc. But no one gives a shit about politics these days (even his co-students), so he has no one to talk to and stays pretty much at home or in the library all day.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 07:37:51 2015 No.6786372 >>6781715 just go to grad school or some other similar place if you want to feel retarded all the time

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 07:50:42 2015 No.6786399 >>6785821 >have gf >have hobbies >need for parties and socializing with subhumans = 0%

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 07:52:25 2015 No.6786403 >>6781715 It's like when you're at a house party and you wake up the next morning and you realize the only time you like these people is when you're not sober

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 08:05:23 2015 No.6786432 >>6785791 Ha! My anedoctical evidence of one stupid-but-educated person and one intelligent-but-ignorant person sure will show them!

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 08:34:31 2015 No.6786514

>>6781715
Do you feel detached or just unable to relate to anyone? Most people are fairly simple but that has nothing to do with you being "well-read" and everything to do with your learned perception and innate intelligence. At a certain point you make the decision for how you feel about those around you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 11:30:47 2015 No.6786947 >>6786432 although this is funny, if you think smart people are educated as a norm, you gotta start paying more attention to the word m8

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 14:03:11 2015 No.6787423 >>6781715 The average person is nearly illiterate, so the little literacy I have makes me a genius compared to him.

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 14:09:43 2015 No.6787449

What's well read? If you mean number of books definitely in the top 3ish% in my age group for number of books read.
But if you are describing depth then I'd simply say above average with the ability to analyze most any piece of literature set in front of me with ample time to read and annotate it. But I personally don't care to do that much and as such simply gorge myself on fantasy and science fiction books.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 14:21:11 2015 No.6787494 Spends one day a month socializing and blames his bookshelf for being unrelatable

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 14:26:28 2015 No.6787520

>>6781898
They only talk about themselves and other people. I was taught that it was impolite and mediocre and I fucking cringe for then each time they open their mouth.
They don't talk about anything theoretical, ideas, facts, etc. They talk about their little life, their friends, their relationships, their trips, plan for what they'll do next month, etc.

It's terrible. I need real friends.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 21:02:31 2015 No.6789273 > lack any charisma nuh uh I'm just too smrt for them

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 21:06:56 2015 No.6789286 >>6781715 To you, what constitutes as well-read? Like... philosophy? because if that's the case, then you're just an insufferable, pretentious piece of shit. Not "well-read".

>>	Anonymous Mon Jul 6 21:44:12 2015 No.6789476 about three megapynchons

Anonymous Mon Jul 6 21:58:36 2015 No.6789548

I read and have read a fair amount of lit in my opinion, but by no means would i ever say i'm the most well-read dude in the room

i am a lover of wisdom but the flipside to understanding all kinds of knowledge is the knowledge of the truth. Knowledge of "the truth" or what you would consider to be the truth can be painful and more real than any fantasy or conjectures. Which kind of sucks when your truth is cynical in nature.

That said, get better social skills homie, i can talk to almost anyone about almost anything. Ask questions and listen, retard. If you love knowledge so much how about getting some in verbal form from a person who actually exists in your reality?

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