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So i was discussing actions with a friend of mine, and he claimed the follwoing:

Every action we have made, is an action we wanted to make.

Action meaning a conscious disission we decide to act upon, exluding automaticly controled bodily processes like blinking and growing hair. "Wanted to" meaning something we belived was the best thing to to in the moment of making the disission. We might regret it later, but when we decided to act, it was what we wanted to do.

At first i thought it was a childish and unjustified claim, but then i tried thinking of counter examples. Seriously, is there anything you have done in the past that you did not want to do?

>Inb4 My mom told me to take out the garbage and i did not want to do it, but i still did.

When you did it you realized it would make your life easier if you just did it, so you actually wanted to.

>> No.6774994

>>6774961
>disission
>automaticly

depends on your definition of want

>> No.6775010

>>6774961
Your friend defined the concept weakly.

Every conscious human action is made in self-interest.

Think up human actions that go against this and I will prove you wrong.

>> No.6775011

>>6775010
You ever read Notes from Underground?

>> No.6775012

>>6775010
A man throwing himself on a grenade to save his comrades

>> No.6775023

>>6775012
he wants to protect his friends that he values and decides that it his the best decision for him to make. It is within his self-interest.

>>6775011
yes, I've read all of based fyodor's works.

>> No.6775024

>>6774994

Yeah sorry about that im drunk and english is not my first laguage

>>6775010

>Every conscious human action is made in self-interest.

think this is very similar to what he wanted to say

>> No.6775030

>>6775012
based off an intrinsic biological urge to sacrifice one to save the majority so the species can continue to reproduce and survive

aka kin selection

>> No.6775035

>Seriously, is there anything you have done in the past that you did not want to do?

Loads of stuff; break up with a girl I had no ultimate future with but cared about and didn't want to hurt, had orthodontic treatment even though it would ultimately be worth it, not eat shit every day because I know it'll make me fat, etc. etc. etc.

All of these things are things I do not want to do. Doing what we want is not the same as behaving in line with what we know is best for us. It's a retarded claim.

>> No.6775040

>>6775024
well, he's not wrong. if a conscious decision was not within at least the immediate self-interest of a human, they would not act.

Read up some Stirner for a good comprehensive look into the concept.

>> No.6775049

>>6775023
Refer to the notes for a better critique of you rational egoist beliefs than I can give.

>> No.6775057

>>6775035
none of these actions you made contradict immediate self-interest.

The thought you have that eating fattening food before you will make you fat later makes it not within your self-interest to do so at that moment.

>> No.6775070

>>6775049
I'm aware that Fyodor sees moral actions separate from desirable actions, but this is a baseless claim that has no observable evidence supporting it. It's basically faith disguised as secularism, but that's Fyodor. Badass writer though.

>> No.6775111

>>6775010
Shooting your self in the leg before killing yourself

>> No.6775116

>>6775111
Why the fuck would anyone do that?

>> No.6775123

>>6775111
if someone actually makes this decision it would likely be in self-loathing and it is within their self-interest at that moment to torture themselves because of how much they hate themselves.

If they had no interest in the matter, why would they do it?

>> No.6775179

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