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6763558 No.6763558 [Reply] [Original]

>His strange red cattle excited envy Herakles came and
>Killed him for his cattle

>The dog too

There are actually people on this board right now who think people should "start with the Greeks" - a culture that considered this sick man, Herakles, a hero.

>> No.6763588

"[Stesichorus] came after Homer and before Gertrude Stein, a difficult interval for a poet"

I've always loved how Anne Carson says this, like every poet after Homer was fucked until Gertrude Stein showed up

>> No.6765177

>>6763558
You should start with the Greeks because they weren't retarded children, and didn't conflate "epic hero" or even "god" with "role model." All their myths and literature are full of flawed people with strange characters and tendencies to fuck up, from Zeus to Actaeon. Herakles was a hero because of the amazing feats he accomplished, not because he was a nice guy or anyone wanted him as a house guest.

>> No.6765232

>>6763558
This book is amazing, I really enjoyed it. Does anyone have any other recommendations for Carsons work?

>> No.6765243

>>6763558
The word "hero" as used in the classical sense does not really mean a hero in the way we think of it today.

To the Greeks, being a hero was more about greatness than about goodness.

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6765396

Taking the bait.

OP you do realize that back then Greece had an entirely different culture than what we do now. They viewed people like Heracles as heroes because they had different values than us. While our heroes are brave, ethical and noble, Greece's heroes were more cunning and tough.

>implying quality of material relates to the disposition off the hero

>> No.6765413

Ivan the Terrible/Awesome

>> No.6765421

that book is so dope