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Is there a list of things I should be knowledgeable about before reading Ulysses? I know the obvious stuff like The Odyssey but I'm sure there's much more.

>> No.6762517

>Hamlet
>Portrait of the Artist of a Young Man
>Words
>Bible

/thread

delete this stupid fucking shit that gets posted fucking daily you cuck cunt

>> No.6762518

Are you/ were you raised Catholic? There's a lot of references to sacraments/ parts of a Church/ Catholic material culture.

>> No.6762532

>>6762518
Yes I was, but I've mostly forgotten everything about it since I've become a fedora tipper. I suppose I'll have to look into it.
>>6762517
Thanks friend!

>> No.6762536

>>6762509
Irish history
The Talmud
The Bible
Theosophy
Shakespeare
The Greeks (all of them)
Nietzsche
Hegel
Kant
Spinoza
Anatomy and Physiology
Various mythologies
etc.
etc.
etc.

>> No.6762859

(Not OP) I have the same question but for Infinite Jest.

>> No.6762863

>>6762859
Autism

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>>6762536
>>6762517
>Reading one work requires you to read every single piece ever written

Fuck this I'm going back to film

>> No.6762869

>>6762864
Anon, think of it in terms of video games. You're grinding your literary knowledge so you can defeat the final boss, who in this case is James Joyce.

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>>6762869
>think in terms of a medium I consider inauthentic

Stop triggering me!!

>> No.6762876

>>6762869
The final boss of literature is Nietzsche, though. James is like a side boss that you can get extra exp and loot from. Stirner is a New Game Plus secret boss.

>> No.6762877

>>6762872
Sorry, I'd thought a person like you would understand it better like that.

>> No.6762885

>>6762876

>tfw Buddha is when you realize video games are a waste of time and stop playing them

>> No.6762891

>>6762877
I'm just meming

>> No.6762897

>>6762876
Then what is Kierkegaard? Camus? Kafka?

>> No.6762900

>>6762897
Camus is the tutorial boss.

>> No.6762902

>>6762517
I'd add Dubliners.

>> No.6762914

>>6762900
Who's Ron L. Hubbard?

>> No.6762921

>>6762914
A joke boss who you can kill in one hit. Also you can skip him by just going around him or something

>> No.6762939

>>6762914
Him and Sartre are goombas. John Green is a butterfly that constantly tries to fight the higher level bosses like Aristotle

>> No.6762946

>>6762900
What I'm envisioning is that after you complete the tutorial, you become determined to stop being a pseudo-intellectual and attempt to seek out enlightenment. Of course you discover that the first step is starting with the Greeks.

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>>6762509
Fuck
This
Book

>start reading Ulysses
>still on page ~50 after a whole week
>arrive home saturday night after some boozing and doping
>read 30 pages figuratively without blinking in a literary extasy
>probably the most intense book experience I ever had
>stop it for a second
>had no idea of what I just read

never touched the book ever since

>> No.6763074

If you die in the game you die in real life...

>> No.6763199

>>6763063

just read the whole thing like that. It's not like anybody really understands every word of Ullyses anyway, it's just an experience.

>> No.6763205

>>6763063
Had a similiar experience with gravity's rainbow. I read about 1/3 of the book in one sitting, loved it, then realized I couldn't remember anything I read

>> No.6763208

How do you know when you're ready to read Ulysses? I've read excerpts of it and felt like I understood it well enough. I've read V. and Blood Meridian. I'm worried if I go for it before I'm ready I won't really understand it and then I'll be too exhausted to give it the reading it deserves.

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You should know Thersites well, esp. Shakespeare's Troilus and Cressida. I've never read ajoyce myself, but this should be clear.

Cyclops: Comments by Joyce


"Does this episode strike you as being futuristic?" said Joyce.
. . .
"You see," said Joyce, "'I' is really a great admirer of Bloom who, besides being a better man, is also more cunning, a better talker, and more fertile in expedients. If you reread Troilus and Cressida you will see that of all the heroes Thersites respects only Ulysses. Thersites admires Ulysses."

>> No.6763430

what's the best version of Ulysses?

>> No.6763440

>>6763430
If you're reading for the plot, it's safe to say the CliffNotes version.

>> No.6763442

>>6763208
Just read it and get a few companion books. I recommend The New Bloomsday Book and Ulysses Annotated. If after reading it you felt you didn't understand everything, that's okay - you can always reread it later on in life.

>> No.6763467

If an audience is likely to feel that it is being crowded into a position, if there is any likelihood that the requirements of dramatic "efficiency" would lead to the blunt ignoring of a possible protest from at least some significant portion of the onlookers, the author must get this objection stated in the work itself. But the objection should be voiced in a way that in the same breath disposes of it.
A perfect example of this stratagem is the role of Thersites in The Iliad. For any Greeks who were likely to resent the stupidity of the Trojan War, the text itself provided a spokesman who voiced their resistance. And he was none other than the abominable Thersites, for whom no "right-minded" member of the Greek audience was likely to feel sympathy.

Too long, didn't read:
Thersites was the Emmanuel Goldstein of the Iliad.

>> No.6764438

>>6763442

a companion book is a good idea

>> No.6764440

>>6762900
It's a great tutorial

>> No.6764442

>>6762876
Idiot

>> No.6764772

>>6763063
patrician.

>> No.6764781

>>6762897
kierkegaard is for the christian version of the game

>> No.6764875

>>6763063
fucking same experience here. Reading a translation though.

>> No.6764894

>>6762864
>Bwaah reading is hard

Yeah, you should go back to /tv/