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Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:18:24 2015 No.6754805 [Reply] [Original]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/29/dylann-roof-4chan-and-the-new-online-racism.html

Holy shit we have a fan.

> 4chan, which loves to be hated only up to the point where it squirms away and insists it was just joking, has a board devoted to literature that has produced some of the sharpest and most inventive literary criticism I’ve read online, in threads that improvised their brilliance then disappeared.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:20:58 2015 No.6754812 Lit(phi) is pretty cool mang

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:24:25 2015 No.6754820 The Daily Beast is OK but they lean incoherently leftist too often for me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:26:53 2015 No.6754824 Too bad he's a limp wrist, SJW, bourgeoise, last man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:27:05 2015 No.6754825 >>6754805 /lit/ is objectively the best board in 4chan, I've been on a lot of them and it's not the same

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:27:51 2015 No.6754826 >>6754824 You're all last men.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:30:59 2015 No.6754832 >>6754825 /sp/ would like to have a word with you, nerd.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:31:10 2015 No.6754833 >a board devoted to literature that has produced some of the sharpest and most inventive literary criticism I’ve read online lmao

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:32:37 2015 No.6754836 >>6754805 I guess shitposting about Harold Boom from Ulysses passes for GOAT literary criticism these days.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:32:43 2015 No.6754837 So we're the acceptable face of 4chan? What about all the Stalinists and Evola fanboys

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:33:28 2015 No.6754840 >>6754805 Why do these fags keep lurking here and writing articles about us? Is it to impress Tumblr bout how they went to le boogeyman website? Also Jacob, I'm going to harass your family now

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:34:07 2015 No.6754843 I think TV is the real 4chan maymay factory these days

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:34:18 2015 No.6754844 >>6754832 Little do you know /sp/ is the 2nd board I spend most time on, hothead. As I said, not the same.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:35:22 2015 No.6754846 >>6754837 They're what make it interesting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:35:35 2015 No.6754848 >>6754824 Exactly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:36:35 2015 No.6754851 >>6754837 Evola's just a meme >>6754840 >>>/b/ Grind away that edge over there, you petulant child

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:36:52 2015 No.6754853 >>6754832 /sp/ is definitely the funniest but /lit/ is the best overall

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:37:30 2015 No.6754855 he must have read my deconstruction of Shakespeare

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:39:16 2015 No.6754858 File: 47 KB, 474x528, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6754851 >I am le defender of board culture >petulant child

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:39:23 2015 No.6754859 I would like to see some blog or some site that offers interesting literary criticism. Where are all the literature students from the best universities? WHERE are they?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:40:06 2015 No.6754860 >>6754855 Pinecone stahp you're embarrassing yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:42:11 2015 No.6754868 File: 52 KB, 474x528, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6754858 >nothing matters to me, only lulz, maximize lulz >why don't girls appreciate my lack of moral fiber

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:46:23 2015 No.6754878 >>6754859 Flipping burgers. They have debts, they can't NEET their lives away.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:46:27 2015 No.6754880 >>6754860 >stahp I found the reddit user.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:47:13 2015 No.6754882 >>6754805 Poor quality op-ed shit buying into rights-discourse and the correction of the deviant proletariat through the correct ordering of names. As expected of the US media apparatus. He's no Penny Red and I wouldn't fuck his bottom.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:48:04 2015 No.6754884 File: 73 KB, 720x540, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6754868 >heteronormative assumptions >I am a supreme gentleman with supreme moral fiber

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Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:55:54 2015 No.6754901

>> 4chan, which loves to be hated only up to the point where it squirms away and insists it was just joking, has a board devoted to literature that has produced some of the sharpest and most inventive literary criticism I’ve read online, in threads that improvised their brilliance then disappeared.

I have never seen these threads, all I've seen are /pol/ threads, and naval gazingly bad debates and philosophy and religion

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:57:55 2015 No.6754908 >>6754901 Maybe you don't know enough about philosophy and religion to appreciate the banter

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 10:58:42 2015 No.6754909 >>6754805 >the moment that Roof writes in his manifesto that he was reborn Is this now considered acceptable writing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:00:48 2015 No.6754916 >>6754909 For "journalists"? Yes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:01:47 2015 No.6754920 >>6754832 /tg/ would like to have a word with you, jock.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:01:48 2015 No.6754921 File: 1.03 MB, 1920x1440, 1427850545454.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6754858 >thinking women care about moral fiber >thinking anyone cares about moral fiber

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:02:57 2015 No.6754924 >>6754921 meant for>>6754868

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:04:12 2015 No.6754928 At least we can be grateful that the author didn't instantly demonize 4chan culture like some writers do. I feel like many go into this site already opinionated and that leads to a really one sided article.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:06:12 2015 No.6754934 >>6754921 What's the origin of this meme?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:07:01 2015 No.6754937 File: 93 KB, 511x571, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6754898 >Internet banter is serious business Online "journalist" just go

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:08:09 2015 No.6754942 This is a joke right? This board sucks besides DFW posting and the "I became an avid reader" meme

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:09:06 2015 No.6754945 >>6754934 Louis CK did a comedy routine where he demonised white people and praised black culture as 'superior'.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:10:57 2015 No.6754957 >>6754934 Louis CK talks about white privilege so /tv/ started forcing the CUCK meme

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:11:27 2015 No.6754959 >>6754825 /lit/ used to be the best board, but holy christ the shitposting here has grown exponentially Besg boards are /k/ and /out/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:14:52 2015 No.6754969 >>6754959 >/k/ Strange to see a compensating redneck on a literature board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:17:44 2015 No.6754979 >>6754969 No need for stereotypes and generalizations, friend. Guns are fun, and /k/ is one of the few boards where people know what they're talking about. Mostly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:17:59 2015 No.6754984 >>6754969 0/8 b8

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:25:09 2015 No.6755010 >>6754959 dyou remember a few years ago when there were like 10 posts/day here? /lit/ was a ghost town.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:25:53 2015 No.6755016 >>6754969 >not arming yourself to prepare for when a Baltimore style chimp out comes to your town

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:27:47 2015 No.6755024 >>6755016 Funny that the only real 'chimp out' was from a white boy in Charleston.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:27:51 2015 No.6755026 >>6755016 Hey /pol/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:28:52 2015 No.6755030 >>6755024 No, Baltimore was much less efficient than Flynn.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:31:13 2015 No.6755041 >>6754824 >dat sharp and inventive criticism tho

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:31:24 2015 No.6755042

>4chan’s trolling culture didn’t just birth Guy Fawkes hacktivism—it also inspired the racist and neo-fascist
No shit, retard. Being racist and offensive is what got us media attention in the first place. Hackers on steroids, remember? What sort of weird online rock do you have to live under to think that the hacktivism is what we're known for, and that the offensive shit is relatively unknown?

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:33:43 2015 No.6755053

>>6754837
Stalinism doesn't really offend anyone. The people who should get offended are the Russians, and most of them seem to love him.

And Evola isn't well-known enough to be offensive. Also AFAIK compared to people like the Nazis he was pretty much a harmless crackpot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:34:50 2015 No.6755058 >>6754832 The ones who do it for free ruined /sp/. It was GOAT until about 6 months after Mootdusky

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:37:13 2015 No.6755069 >>6754805 He's right. We do have one or two good criticisms a year. Plus, we have Pynchon and Tao Lin

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:37:45 2015 No.6755073 >>6755042 The "hackers on steroids" shit had nothing to do with racism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:40:26 2015 No.6755081 >>6755024 All the more reason for a gun, what's your point? >>6755026 Hello white liberal living in a gated community

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:41:46 2015 No.6755088 >>6754826 not me I'm a last manchild

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:42:46 2015 No.6755092 >>6754882 >through the correct ordering of names Huh, I never realised how Confucian political correctness was. Sharp and inventive/10.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:42:51 2015 No.6755093 >third rate pseudo-intellectualism impresses the daily beast what a surprise

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:44:41 2015 No.6755103 >>6755092 Actually the LGBTQ discourse is highly anticonfucian. The invention of new genders is a nightmare, as far as the rectification of names goes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:45:17 2015 No.6755106 >>6755073 It had to do with being offensive and trolling people. I was here when that happened too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:45:58 2015 No.6755111 >>6755103 It's difficult to categorize the mentally ill by asking them to make up the definitions themselves.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:48:27 2015 No.6755120 >>6755111 Which is why we should shame them for causing the bureaucracy a headache.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:51:13 2015 No.6755128 >>6754937 This makes me sad. He probably won't even move out of his home town, let alone the country. And if he does he is just going to become homeless, can't even teach english with an associates degree.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:54:19 2015 No.6755139

>>6754805
Anonymooose, if it has a linking ideology through time, was always more Libertarian than anything, I think. Maybe Left-Libertarian in some cases but I don't think there were openly Leftist cases that called themselves Anonymous.

Good article though, actually knows what he's talking about. Now we just need mods that will perma-ban stormfucks and their fellow ideologues on sight. Nuking their board would also be nice.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:54:33 2015 No.6755140

>>6754859
>Where are all the literature students from the best universities?
Academia or somewhat orthogonal (or whatever a better word is) jobs, like probs the highest paid I know of went into investment banking, management consulting, big law firms and all that kind of thing. A few did things they did at uni like photography or theatre. A handful went into journalism but usually they had some kind of combined degree. Actually a fair few became teachers too

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:55:13 2015 No.6755145 >>6754843 damn right

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:55:53 2015 No.6755149 >>6755139 >I hate oppression >I hope the new mods ban anyone who disagrees with me :^)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:56:31 2015 No.6755154 >>6754945 He has a bit where he goes on about being white and how that's awesome. That's from nearly a decade ago tho

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:56:40 2015 No.6755155

>>6755042
We're a part of the "internet subculture," most people aren't so they don't know any better. /pol/ is THE online counterpoint to modern race movements but most of their side is unrepresented in the mainstream media, whereas hacktivism is a timeslot filling bogeyman with a logo. Be happy that /pol/ is finally getting called out for the cesspit it is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:57:07 2015 No.6755156 >>6755053 >The people who should get offended are the Russians, and most of them seem to love him. Russians and people of former Soviet -- now capitalist -- States.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:57:12 2015 No.6755157 lit is pretty based. The only board on 4chan that criticizes the identitarians of both right and left, and advocates destroying the bourgeoisie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 11:58:43 2015 No.6755165 >>6755157 No, we like the bourgeoisie. We want aristocratic, warrior philosophers (us) to rule.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:00:30 2015 No.6755173 >>6755165 Overall we appreciate every class' potencies. We really only care about how good your banter is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:01:47 2015 No.6755175 >>6755139 Anonymous is into SJW shit now

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:01:49 2015 No.6755176 >>6754825 I'd agree. I think /fa/ can be pretty great too.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:02:52 2015 No.6755178

>>6755149
>I hate oppression
I'm 100% okay with you idiots being oppressed by social norm or by laws, up to the point of incarceration and death. One of the greatest mistakes in history was the world allowing the US to save and protect Nazis in the post-War period, as well as protecting Confederate loyalists. Should've placed you all on a line of pikes stretching from the edge of Florida to the edge of Maine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:02:54 2015 No.6755179 >>6754805 /lit/, you honestly don't know how cool and intelligent you are. Six years of /fit/ and /g/ here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:03:22 2015 No.6755181 >>6755165 I think generally we don't hold Bourgeoisie-ness against people who were bourgeoisie, but in general i don't see anyone applying any merit to the position. Its kind of retarded that this is a somewhat uncommon position.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:03:29 2015 No.6755182 File: 41 KB, 162x190, Screen Shot 2015-06-23 at 18.47.07.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6755088 i kekked heartily

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:04:47 2015 No.6755188 >>6755178 Rofl what a spooked cuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:04:52 2015 No.6755189 >>6755165 Stop pretending, >dribblekid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:04:56 2015 No.6755190 File: 245 KB, 1024x683, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6755176 >/fa/ Everyone thinks you look like a doofus

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:05:36 2015 No.6755194 File: 178 KB, 1024x587, 1426423537993.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6754843 Common m8, it is undoubtedly /r9k/. Pepe, autism, chicken tendies, etc.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:06:02 2015 No.6755196 >>6755178 >2015 >being this mad

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Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:06:43 2015 No.6755200

>>6755181
We acknowledge that workers need leadership and that work is for the stupid, so naturally the intelligentsia, us, should be the ones who determine what is acceptable culture for the workers. Otherwise they would listen to Bruce Springsteen and 50 Cents, rather than baroque.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:06:45 2015 No.6755201 >>6755194 Pepe as a meme originated on krautchan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:06:53 2015 No.6755203 >>6755188 >libtard racist calling anyone "spooky" Stop embarrassing yourself.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:07:21 2015 No.6755205

>I became racist because my wife was killed by a nigger in an urban area while coming home from work. I was left to raise my only son by myself. I am not that well off financially. It caused a great deal of hardship. I was already pretty racist though.

That was a guy explaining to a non-racist traditionalist why he mostly focused on blacks as a problem.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:07:51 2015 No.6755207 >>6755178 Wow, so much for pluralistic democracy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:08:33 2015 No.6755211 >>6755175 Which isn't Leftist.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:08:58 2015 No.6755214 >>6754901 >naval gazingly i love looking at boats tho

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:09:15 2015 No.6755216 >>6755211 Yes it is. The whole 'save poor people from oppression' is a leftist movement.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:09:26 2015 No.6755218 >>6754825 /fit/ has the best board culture and I don't even lift

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:09:57 2015 No.6755220 Honestly, he's not wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:09:57 2015 No.6755221 >>6755165 Class cucks pls go

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:10:16 2015 No.6755223 >>6755205 He's definitely not much of a thinker, if that should come as a surprise.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:10:17 2015 No.6755224 File: 19 KB, 400x400, 1426474206187.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6755201 They popularized it though; I thought pepe comes from some random internet comic? I know poland ball comes from krautchan, but I didn't think pepe did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:10:34 2015 No.6755225 >>6755203 >2015 >not being a racist L E K E K

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:10:48 2015 No.6755230 >>6755103 Creating new categories isn't an overturning of categories.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:10:59 2015 No.6755231 >>6755221 Read Nietzsche, you uncultured swine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:13:06 2015 No.6755243 >>6755216 Identity politics is a neo-liberal reformist movement. It's only Left in the sense of being to the Left of Hitler.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:13:08 2015 No.6755245 >>6755221 Marxists are the true cucks Monogamous relationships are patriarchal and based on outdated power structures All true revolutionaries should also be cuckolds :)

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:13:58 2015 No.6755250

>>6755230
It's an affront to the correct ordering of names. These categories don't actually exist. There is more medical evidence to indicate that gender identity issues are a form of mental illness that can and should be treated than there is to indicate that it's purely a matter of preference. Transgender suicide rates are probably so high because they're literally insane.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:14:03 2015 No.6755251

>>6755224
Krautchan popularised it to the extent of their reach, it spread from there to here. It's from Boy’s Club by Matt Furie, the original one was the frog saying "Feels good, man" which was popular on Gaia. KC made it into sad frog (Feels bad, man) and then it came here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:14:38 2015 No.6755255 >>6755243 >hitler wasn't far left

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:14:45 2015 No.6755258 >>6755245 >White Boys should be Castrated, so the evil, oppressive White Genes won't be able to create more bourgeoise Whites.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:15:00 2015 No.6755259 >>6755245 >desperately wanting your wife to be led by "strong" economic and poltical leaders >not the highest form of cuckery Well memed, class cuck.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:15:35 2015 No.6755261 >>6754979 >no need for generalizations >generalizes /k/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:15:56 2015 No.6755263 >>6755207 Where has Pluralistic Democracy ever existed, and why are you pretending like stormcucks even want such a thing?

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:16:09 2015 No.6755267

/lit/ is legitimately great. On other boards there is the constant meme of meaningless dismissal and hatred (ex. /v/ hates video games, and at any post referencing one, there will be people that day it sucks with no constructive discussion). On /lit/ people actually know something about literature and when they say something sucks it usually comes with either reasoning or reference to something they are saying is better. This makes the /lit/ culture less mindlessly contrarian than most of 4chan.

Also the philosophy threads have some of the best banter on the internet, because they're full of people that have actually read at least some of what they're talking about and are familiar with most of the rest, and philosophy is the subject most conducive to bantz.

When I started using 4chan regularly (around 2010) I was on /mu/ exclusively. Since then I've had stints on several boards, and none have been as stimulating as /lit/. It's not surprising that some random guy that considers himself an "intellectual" and hates the rest of 4chan would like /lit/. It's more self aware about its memes and less aggressive than other boards.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:16:27 2015 No.6755271 So what are we the noble savage of the internet or some shit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:16:49 2015 No.6755272 >>6755251 Well thanks for the explanation; someone needs to coin a neologism for the etymology of memes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:17:00 2015 No.6755274 >>6755250 Here's a tip: no categories exist. Now read Foucault on the order of things you cross-boarding scum.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:17:23 2015 No.6755276 >>6755263 >stormcuck >I aggressively defend violent negroes online Good boi

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:17:48 2015 No.6755280 >>6755259 >wanting your 'wife' to fuck every African immigrant in the name of progress >not a cuck

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:18:36 2015 No.6755283 >>6755258 >Strong leader genes should be proliferated so I can watch my wife be fucked by the bourgeoisie while he laboring for his profit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:19:19 2015 No.6755286 File: 73 KB, 666x408, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6755274 Foucault was an SJW faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:19:53 2015 No.6755290 >>6755259 This, they're so cucked they aren't even aware of it. Marx is right yet again, "they don't know they are doing it, nevertheless they do it."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:19:55 2015 No.6755291 daily reminder that there is inherently nothing wrong with being a cuck and Stirner would approve of it

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:20:19 2015 No.6755297 >>6755283 Your assumption of yourself as subservient shows your internalised cuck mindset.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:20:29 2015 No.6755298 >>6755280 >immigration is not a result of capitalism >the bourgeoisie don't like cheap immigrant labor

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:21:31 2015 No.6755303 File: 54 KB, 479x484, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6755298 >immigration is not a result of bleeding heart, anti-white Marxists pushing their race mixing agenda

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:21:33 2015 No.6755304 >>6755297 Yes because it is Marxists that started the subservient cuck meme and not class cucks like yourself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:21:43 2015 No.6755307 >>6755267 Interesting, I also started with /mu/ but moved here eventually.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:22:26 2015 No.6755309 >>6755274 Read Kongzi and Wittgenstein if you don't understand the significance of calling things by the right names. Foucault was barely a scholar. If your only arguments are based on his premises then you're not even worth responding to.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:23:05 2015 No.6755312 >>6755286 >that pic Is that really what philosophy students in the anglo-saxon world think of continental philosophy...?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:23:40 2015 No.6755315 >>6755303 Are you seriously this retarded? The more sophisticated fash recognize capitalism as being the main factor of immigration. It was some fash who said; "If you criticize immgration without critizing capitalism, then you need to shut up."

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:23:53 2015 No.6755316 >>6755208 Subtle.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:24:09 2015 No.6755320 >>6755312 You Are Not The Real, In The Non-Heteronormative, Hermeneutical, Post-Hegelian Dasein!

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:24:47 2015 No.6755321
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He wants to depict the whole thing as some kind of racist organization that's using 4chan (mainly /pol/) to spread "hate" and "breed racists" in order to establish some kind of new Nazi reactionary group. I'm not denying there are people eager to start a radical right-wing movement, nor that in general people are getting more anti-liberal, but the whole article is just idiotic.

I have absolutely no idea where and how do these people grow up and if they've ever developed a social awareness at all, and if someone could explain it to me it would be pretty cool. I don't live in America and while I've met my fair amount of neurotic landwhales and of course many leftish ideas (nothing outside the norm for Europe) I've never had the misfortune to meet anything that could resemble what you call a hardcore "SJW"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:24:57 2015 No.6755322 >>6755312 As an American student at a staunchly analytic school, the answer is no. That pic is a meme. But Foucault actually is trash.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:25:11 2015 No.6755324 >>6755303 >rightists actually believe this >pro capitalist parties actually get these people to vote for them

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:25:33 2015 No.6755327 >>6755276 >so inundated in cuckporn that you can't even think straight anymore Good cuk

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:25:48 2015 No.6755328 >>6755304 Poor people are the cucks, I will continue to oppress you limp wrist, immigrant loving, college students. >>6755315 Go import more refugees, kid, that will cure your white guilt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:25:51 2015 No.6755329 >>6755312 It's more of a meme than a reality, most philosophy departments in the anglo world will have at least one specialist for continental thought.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:26:11 2015 No.6755332 File: 28 KB, 400x456, batsy.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6754805 >board devoted to literature that has produced some of the sharpest and most inventive literary criticism I’ve read online

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:27:11 2015 No.6755338 >>6754805 >white nationalist So, he is from the nation of white? Fucking americans and their false sense of what a nation is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:27:28 2015 No.6755339 >>6754959 haha a hick with books

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:27:34 2015 No.6755340 >>6755309 >Read Kongzi You don't even know the situation of the names before Kongzi, nor have you apparently read Wittgenstein if you believe he supports the idea of true names.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:28:01 2015 No.6755343 >>6755329 Why do continentals think their 'revelation' that life is, like, so absurd, dude. Like, what if, like, stuff was different. So absurd, dude, like, my hand is so weird, it's crazy.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:28:30 2015 No.6755345

>>6755309
>Read Kongzi and Wittgenstein if you don't understand the significance of calling things by the right names.
It's clear that gender isn't dichotomous, even in societies that aggressively propagate dichotomy. Ergo, the Confucian should indeed call things by their right names and drop the idea of gender dichotomy.
>seriously implying Confucians weren't celebrators of boipussy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:29:49 2015 No.6755352 >>6755321 >He wants to depict the whole thing as some kind of racist organization that's using 4chan (mainly /pol/) to spread "hate" and "breed racists" in order to establish some kind of new Nazi reactionary group. But he's right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:29:49 2015 No.6755353 >>6755322 >But Foucault actually is trash. Of course he is, but not in the way the retarded neo-Confucian thinks.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:30:16 2015 No.6755354 >>6755345 Gender is a dichotomy, though. XX or XY chromosomes. It's not fucking hard, m8.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:30:40 2015 No.6755356 >>6755321 These people develop in the self reinforcing bubble of liberalism that occurs when you keep beating down people and ideas that don't march lockstep with identity politics

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:30:49 2015 No.6755357 >>6755324 We're all doomed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:31:17 2015 No.6755359 >>6755356 Like the worker identity?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:31:50 2015 No.6755361 >>6755354 Are you a time-traveler from the 1800s? You've got some reading to do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:32:22 2015 No.6755365 >>6754805 Since when do /pol/ or /r9k/ ever say they're "only joking" when things go too far? On a side note, I'm excited to see how /pol/ reacts when their new hero gets the chair.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:32:37 2015 No.6755368

>>6754805
honestly, the rampant racism and homophobia on this site is really disconcerting. while most of the time i pass it off as high school kids being idiots, nearly every thread - mostly on /b/, /sp/, and /tv/ - ends up with posters calling each other niggers or faggots, and i highly doubt it's all done by kids. i take it 4chan is an outlet for such behavior but then it bleeds out into the real world like the dylann roof imbecile and fuck all if i can't find a reason to continue return to this site. so mainly i just post on /lit/ b/c there's less of that kind of thing here.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:33:30 2015 No.6755373

>>6755320

>I don't understand these terms because I haven't bothered to try to understand or even thoroughly read the authors

>Just keep it 'simple', that's what philosophy should do.

>If I can't understand a random sentence from a random work of a thinker IMMEDIATELY it is unclear and just bullshit to sound deep.

>We should not use language innovatively and originally to try and grasp things, anything that can't be described with plain, clear and English terms is horsecrap.

>Germans are nazis, French eat snails and Greeks fucked boys.

>Philosophy should be the bitch of modern science, which is totally objective, universal and is the only way to truth and progress.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:33:46 2015 No.6755375 File: 193 KB, 1154x370, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6755361 >if continental feminists invent bullshit, artificial distinctions about gender they must be true, as to correct them would be mansplaining and using my privilege

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:34:03 2015 No.6755377 >/lit/ is a place with excellent literary critique >this entire thread has turned into cuckposting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:34:23 2015 No.6755378 >>6755359 >Like the worker identity? Chapter on the length of the working day you idealist dickhead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:34:47 2015 No.6755380 >>6755373 Go read Fashionable Nonsense, you contrarian pleb.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:34:49 2015 No.6755382 >>6755361 I dunno, dude, chromosomes objectively determine someone's sex. Sex and gender are connected. The claim that they aren't doesn't have much medical or psychological basis.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:34:51 2015 No.6755383 File: 25 KB, 265x308, 1405284547010.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6755368

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:35:07 2015 No.6755385

>>6755365
>Since when do /pol/ or /r9k/ ever say they're "only joking" when things go too far?
Back in the day, 4chan would say racist things (generally just the word nigger) for the sake of contrarian giggles, but newfags took it seriously, 4chan was invaded by stormfront, and irony became sincerity.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:35:47 2015 No.6755390 >>6755368 Are you for real? Answer sincerely

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:35:47 2015 No.6755391 >>6755378 >waaah 12 hours is too hard I bet you actually work in an office, a job intended for women.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:35:56 2015 No.6755393

>>6755368
Dont go on b sp and tv. those are like legitimately the worst boards on the site. what the fuck is wrong with you?

This shit does not spill out into the real world, its just how people think in their heads sometimes and its harmless. The only people who get damaged by 4chan are people who spend time on the boards you mentioned and also r9k

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:36:11 2015 No.6755394 >>6755377 Any article arguing the positives of 4chan will be immediately disproved by the thread it's posted in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:36:13 2015 No.6755397 >>6755385 >and irony became sincerity KILL YOURSELF TAO

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:36:15 2015 No.6755398 >>6755368 Maybe a website like Tumblr would be better for you

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:37:14 2015 No.6755403 >>6755391 >I bet you actually work in an office, a job intended for women. Also you might benefit from reading the history of feminisation of occupations, because here you're wrong in theory and in fact.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:37:17 2015 No.6755405 >>6755157 what i love most about /lit/ is that its mostly leftist but still disdainful of the SJW ethos of the bourgeois left like the rest of the 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:37:38 2015 No.6755406 >>6755382 Sex and gender are the same thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:37:41 2015 No.6755407 >>6755398 Or you could just go to /b/ or /pol/, like you're supposed to

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:38:06 2015 No.6755408
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>>6754805
halfway through reading this, and I just feel the need to say, I hate this guy's writing style. The flow is terrible and each paragraph feels like a chore. The content isn't rich in information, and there is a lot of redundancy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:38:39 2015 No.6755409 >>6755403 Men work manual jobs, women work prissy office jobs.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:39:49 2015 No.6755415

>>6755385
No.

This is an anonymous place where there are no names attached to your opinions so no one can dox you and ruin your life for saying you don't like blacks or think that women are inferior.

This all racism is a product of storm front shit needs to stop

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:40:35 2015 No.6755419

lit definitely taught me a lot about Marxism/Anarchism. Before I just thought the typical boogey man stuff you hear in the mainstream and even on the rest of 4chan. I'm still not sure where I stand on the political spectrum but there's some legit stuff there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:40:41 2015 No.6755420 >>6755194 No one cares about the tendies meme outside of your shit hole. Pepe originated on Krautchan. Autism is general 4chan collaboration.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:40:44 2015 No.6755421

>>6755303
immigration is one issue where the elites on the right and left come together to fuck everyone over. the right loves immigration for cheap labor and because creating a heterogeneous low-trust society makes it easier to cut social programs and the like. the left loves it because they have a boner for "diversity" and want to shove it in the face of socially conservative reactionaries, and these bourgeois leftists don't have to deal with the negative effects like the working class does.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:40:57 2015 No.6755422 >>6755405 SJWs aren't left wing. They are bourgeois liberals conducting a rights discourse to police the proletariat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:41:29 2015 No.6755425 >>6755375 >>6755382 >>6755406 >all the homos are just making it up! If someone doesn't think exactly like me they're just wrong!! Not very Confucian, friendo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:41:50 2015 No.6755426 >>6755385 Holy fuck where do you people come from Please someone enlighten me

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:41:52 2015 No.6755427 >>6755407 >WAAAAH IM OFFENDED GET OFF MUH BOARD Fags like you constantly crying about people who use naughty words crack me up. I'll go out on a limb and say no one respects you in real life because you are weak and emotional, like a woman.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:42:36 2015 No.6755432 >>6755409 You have an atypical gender structure that isn't shared widely. You might need to watch that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:42:43 2015 No.6755433 >>6755385 You could say, it was a New Sincerity.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:42:51 2015 No.6755434

>>6755393
i ask myself that question often. however, if you think repeating such insults and derogatory terms on a daily basis is harmless and does not effect the world outside this little electronic enclave, i think you're mistaken. however, you're definitely correct in advising me to quit going to those boards. i may just take your advice on that b/c i should know better than to go there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:42:58 2015 No.6755435 >>6755425 >If someone makes a claim about their identity then that claim must be true!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:43:12 2015 No.6755436 >>6755415 Sorry you're a newfag, but you can't change it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:43:40 2015 No.6755437 >>6755425 >We need to listen to these mentally ill lunatics! Legalise paedophilia!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:43:55 2015 No.6755440 >>6755390 absolutely. >>6755398 what's your point?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:44:22 2015 No.6755443 >>6755303 immigrant enrichment is the result of global capitalism

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:44:37 2015 No.6755444 >>6755435 >>6755425

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:44:44 2015 No.6755445 >>6755434 Hahahaha Dude you're such a fucking pussy Just get off this website all together

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:44:47 2015 No.6755447

I think that "us" who thought that all the racism on 4chan was just trolling were wrong. I mean, if you think about it, /n/ was established in what? 2006, and racism was present on 4chan since then. Nuking /n/ just moved racism to shit lik /b/ where it became a meme.

Also please don't say Foucault is trash, it's triggering me. But seriously I have no idea why anyone would think he's all trash.
And gender is a cultural categorisation of supposedly things that are specifically of one sex.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:44:51 2015 No.6755448 >>6755432 Go back to your feminised city and wash your small, soft, weak hands.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:45:00 2015 No.6755450 >>6755422 SJWs are clearly left wing, just the bad part of the left wing. you can't say they're not left wing when that discourse has taken over all of 'leftist' academia and much of its small grass-roots organizations.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:45:26 2015 No.6755451 >>6755444 >>6755435

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:45:37 2015 No.6755453 >>6755368 suck a nigger dick, cuck faggot

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:45:52 2015 No.6755454 >>6755447 Foucault is an anti-scientific charlatan pandering to butt fucking sickos.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:46:00 2015 No.6755456 >>6755435 Please tell us how to differentiate claims into true and non-true categories. Specify in relation to deduction and induction separately. You may take the rest of your life.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:46:27 2015 No.6755458 >>6755450 I don't see what's difficult to understand about this

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:46:31 2015 No.6755459

>>6755415
It's a fact though. Back in the day people were racist, sure, but not to the point where it would really influence anyone's life beyong the ocassional Habbo raid. It was without form or direction, just some lighthearted racism. But then it suddenly turned into this weird kind of online activism. And yes, stormfront is definately involved in that process.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:46:54 2015 No.6755463 >>6755451 >arguing against trips Check out this cuck

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:47:31 2015 No.6755464

>>6755447
Because Foucault is an inferior historian of ideas, a poor counter to the structuralism of french thought, a deficient generator of revolutionary ways of thinking, and redundant and unacceptable as a historian of sexuality.

Those small things we anglophones and german scholars consider as rigour.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:47:48 2015 No.6755467 >>6755456 The scientific method allows for no absolute truth but is a good way to create a basis of understanding to work off of

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:47:56 2015 No.6755469

>>6755456
Axiomatic reasoning, inquiry based in methods that have historically proven to yield useful and accurate results like the scientific method, data-based research, you know, the kind of things that apparently happen in every area of academia other than English departments.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:48:08 2015 No.6755471 File: 64 KB, 425x960, PbJt02U.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6755454 >anti-scientific

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:48:23 2015 No.6755473

>>6755426
Actually this was my sincere opinion until I learned about /n/. I guess who ever wrote that, just don't know 4chan history.
(I'm here since late 2008, came from Uncyclopedia)

>>6755454
You probably never read much Foucault. If you'd read Society must be defended, Security territory population and Birth of Biopolitics, you wouldn't say that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:48:31 2015 No.6755475 >>6755464 He wasn't an historian, he made claims without evidence, inventing a history only to suit his agenda. He was just an ideologue.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:48:45 2015 No.6755477 >>6755440 >absolutely. Then what the hell brought you to 4chan? I mean, I figure someone dependent on positive feedback and "disdain for discrimination" would go for Reddit or something?

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:48:53 2015 No.6755478

>>6755450
>>6755458
SJWs do not stand for the abolition of the value form or the self-liberation of the proletariat.

I don't see how it is that difficult to understand that a bourgeois movement for great charitable rich which people granting us rights we don't need nor want cannot be "left."

Get a job
Join the union
Shoot your boss.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:49:32 2015 No.6755486 File: 75 KB, 459x581, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6755471 >genealogy

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:49:36 2015 No.6755488

>>6755458
You don't understand what Left means. FDR is Left of Hitler but that doesn't make him sit alongside Marx. Identity politics doesn't challenge capitalism and the class system, it doesn't seek liberation, it's a reformist movement that values the wage system, the value form, and FULL INTEGRATION into those categories. Why is this so hard to understand?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:49:45 2015 No.6755489 >>6755471 Foucault fans are really so pathetic that they insult the validity of science with fedora memes

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:50:04 2015 No.6755491
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>>6755471
>I hate science because a continental philosopher told me it's always hegemonized, or because I'm afraid the STEMfags might be right about my hobbies and degree

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:50:22 2015 No.6755492

>>6755467
>>6755469

Feyerabend.

>>6755469
Additionally, your answer is an argument from authority, and one with a necessary historical context. Have you perhaps been reading Foucault on epistemes? Because he makes exactly the same argument that you just made: that knowledge is entirely contingent upon historical power structures.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:51:10 2015 No.6755497 >>6755473 >Encyclopedia Gross

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:51:27 2015 No.6755499 >>6755415 >>6755426 >newfags asking where the oldfags came from

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:51:31 2015 No.6755500 >>6755440 My point is that no one is going to censor the naughty words for you here boy-o so grow q pair or fuck off Are you really that dense? >what's your point My point now is that you're a fucking idiot if you can't grasp my point

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:51:32 2015 No.6755502 >>6755475 I've been assured by historians of ideas that he passes muster for that sub-discipline. What do you think the term "unacceptable" means?

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:51:33 2015 No.6755501

The mistake people make here is in attaching this sense of 'community' to 4chan in the first place. It has always been a soap-box for individuals to impose their views and actions on to. It was likely used by some serious hackers as a platform to cause confusion among authorities, just as private companies have caught onto to artificially encouraging memes and therefore discussion of their product. I find it hard unless some has recorded their thoughts and impressions when first coming across the site back then, to be able to actually recognize if this site has changed at all, rather than their perceptions. I can't honestly recall if when I was a 18 year old years ago if /new/ was any more ironic than /pol/. I guess the fact it was deleted proves that it probably wasn't.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:51:38 2015 No.6755503 >>6755486 Genealogy is a method first developed by Nietzsche, so if you have problem with it, you should criticise him. Foucault only developed it further and make it a bit more systematic...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:51:40 2015 No.6755504 >>6755456 If I say an apple is there and an apple is there, then "an apple is there" is true. if not then not. extrapolate from there

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:52:54 2015 No.6755508 >>6755502 >ancient people were bisexual communists who shared everything >p-please believe me

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:53:04 2015 No.6755509 >>6755497 What can I say I was 19 and thought it was funny. There's no defending that, I was always a bit infantile.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:53:58 2015 No.6755513 >>6755508 citation, please.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:54:00 2015 No.6755514

>>6754805

Yeah, ha ha, the guy's never been here... but it goes to show the cachet literature has. People represent an interest in literature to appear intelligent, but don't actually participate. This is the kind of attitude (books are for smart people, hurrr) that allows frauds like DFW to flourish, despite being shit writers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:54:06 2015 No.6755517 >>6755488 Because even leftist movements have become entrenched in identity politics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:54:06 2015 No.6755518 >>6755504 You've claimed absolute knowledge of the world without observation. Hello god. >>6755508 Hey, do your doctorate in the history of ideas and publish enough monographs until that sub-discipline reforms its practices.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:54:19 2015 No.6755520 >>6755503 It's still retarded.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:54:19 2015 No.6755521

>>6755434
This is why i like this site. I think you are wrong, i think words are just words. Honestly you can say nigger, try it. You wont go out and commit some racism trust me. But, on the other hand while im telling you to try not being such a pussy i think its okay that you tell me to stop being such a faggot.

Its great. But yea, stick to lit and some of the other more low key boards. TV is fucking retarded, even if you like movies there is 0 reason to ever go there because they are all cucks with shit taste.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:55:18 2015 No.6755524 >>6755513 >citation, please. Well that Greeks were property-sharing bisexuals is substantiated in any history of the Peloponnesian Wars regarding Sparta's male citizens.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:55:29 2015 No.6755526 >>6755518 >you have to have a phd to question the lack of evidence in historical assertions

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:55:43 2015 No.6755528

>>6755508
While I haven't read History of Sexuality, I'm pretty sure that's not what Foucault claims in it.
And if you truly think you can just inscribe victorian sexual relations to a culture that lived almost 2000 years prior to it, then you're the one who's in the wrong.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:55:44 2015 No.6755529

>>6755492
>Feyeraband
Not even a proper response. Please articulate an argument.
>argument from authority
Not really. The scientific method proves its own validity time and time again as it allows us to produce new technologies that operate on newly discovered principles, or allows existing technologies to change in consequence.
>Have you perhaps been reading Foucault on epistemes? Because he makes exactly the same argument that you just made: that knowledge is entirely contingent upon historical power structures.
Knowledge of facts != facts themselves. The prison system would still exist as a potential object of study if Foucault had never studied it. The same principles would apply to it that apply to it in this world where Foucault did study it. Through study, these principles have been brought to light, assuming Foucault was correct about anything, and this basically applies in every area of study. You place so much faith in Foucault's theories, but your own arguments seem to undermine them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:56:20 2015 No.6755532 >>6755517 Groups that fail to meet the category are my evidence that the category now includes those groups. Cogent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:56:30 2015 No.6755533 >>6755524 Yeah, that total lack of currency, slaves and monarchs.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:57:21 2015 No.6755538 >>6755526 Of course not. But it is harder to strip him of the accreditation that the discipline of the history of ideas affords him. You might try Kuhn and Lakatos on the idea of commensurability in science.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:57:24 2015 No.6755539 >>6755502 >history of ideas Passing muster there basically just means that an idea was written down or influential, not that it was correct.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:57:41 2015 No.6755540 >>6755528 So now I'm the one making the claim? I never mentioned Victorians, I simply stated that Foucault was an ideologue, not an historian, as he had no evidence to back up his assertions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:57:50 2015 No.6755542 >>6755532 The scale tips heavier on being proidentity politics

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:58:09 2015 No.6755543 >>6755477 reddit can be just as racist as 4chan. the difference is that 4chan is honest about it while reddit will swear up and down that they're not.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:58:22 2015 No.6755545

>>6755529
>The scientific method proves its own validity time and time again
No, it doesn't. See Feyerabend.

>not even a proper response
Indicates you're sufficiently unaware of the debate over the validity of the scientific method that anything further you say should be discarded until you've actually bothered to read Popper, Kuhn, Lakatos and Feyerabend.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:58:25 2015 No.6755546 >>6755529 >The scientific method What, in specific, are you referring to? "Barrack Obama" refers to the first black president. What does "the scientific method" refer to?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:58:42 2015 No.6755547 >>6755538 So if they say he's cool, you haven't specified who, he's fine? Fucking idiot.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:59:04 2015 No.6755548

>>6755517
Not really, but I see why this confusion is made. Leftism wants what IP claims to want, the liberation of oppressed minorities (identities), but IP is a development of the "hippie movement". The Beatles and the BPP maybe agree on a certain attitude, per se, but the lackadaisical 'drop-out' movement has no continuation with revolutionary praxis as found in socialist, communist, and anarchist movements.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:59:13 2015 No.6755550

>>6755445
>>6755453
>>6755477
>>6755500

and of course the idiot brigade entirely misses the inference, which was: GROW THE FUCK UP! i'm neither offended nor insulted by the racist or homophobic shit-posting. i condemn it for it's lack of progressing any thread. it's playground mud-slinging and has no place in a debate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:59:32 2015 No.6755553 >>6755546 >"Barrack Obama" refers to the first black president of USA. Sorry about that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:59:32 2015 No.6755554 File: 763 KB, 1024x768, Koala.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You're welcome, guys. You're welcome.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 12:59:44 2015 No.6755555 File: 65 KB, 700x654, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6755545 >I hate science, I'm so deep and Human

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:00:23 2015 No.6755557 >>6755545 I'm aware of the debate. I'm asking you to formulate an actual argument rather than just telling me to read books by people whose theories I'm already familiar with. If you can do that, I'll take you a little bit seriously.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:00:45 2015 No.6755559 >>6755553 He's only half black, by the way.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:00:50 2015 No.6755560 >>6755555 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:00:52 2015 No.6755561 File: 36 KB, 714x512, ebin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6755555 ebin get ;-)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:00:53 2015 No.6755562 >>6755550 The problem is this is neither playground mud-slinging nor a debate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:01:04 2015 No.6755563 >>6755521 i think maybe it's the redundancy of such name-calling that has me at wits end. yeah, my days here are coming to an end. there's rarely any insight here anymore, if there ever was any.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:01:35 2015 No.6755567

>>6755529
Not the one you responding to. But I always saw Foucault not as end-all theorist, that explained everything and we should just follow that and do nothing else. He merely provided a toolbox with which we can try to critique any situation.

>>6755540
What I meant with that is, that ancient Greeks don't have same ideas about sexuality as we do. And I'm pretty sure what Foucault meant to show was just that back then sexuality and gender were seen differently as they're seen now. And that both gender and sexuality were more fluid than are now. That's pretty obviously attested in the historic sources remaining of that era.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:01:52 2015 No.6755569 >>6755557 You're apparently not given that you put abstract faith in an undefined scientific method, and when I cite someone known for demolishing the possibility of method you show no further awareness.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:02:47 2015 No.6755573 >>6755562 indeed. i may have confused it as such, as a forum for debate and sharing like-minded or opposing ideas, which makes me the leader of the idiot brigade, i guess.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:02:48 2015 No.6755574 >>6755546 A particular mode of inquiry which uses peer review of data uncovered by empirical observation to produce models of the world.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:03:19 2015 No.6755578 >>6755567 He was talking about pre-Greek sexuality, he couldn't know that they had different beliefs about sex, he had no evidence. He just acted like he did to further his faggot agenda.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:05:10 2015 No.6755582 >>6755578 >he had no evidence. Contemporary writing and archaeological evidence existed for the Greeks at that point in time. I'm not defending Foucault as I haven't read him but this seems like a bad argument.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:05:53 2015 No.6755584 >>6755574 Your definition of the scientific method is identical with the practice of theology and elder induction into traditional culture.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:06:19 2015 No.6755585

>>6755569
Look, moron, read my posts again. Saying that the scientific method is a valid form of inquiry isn't the same as saying that no other form of inquiry could possibly be valid. I don't ha e blind faith in it, I trust it to do exactly what I describe it to do in >>6755574 and nothing else. For fuck's sake, you don't even understand the argument I'm making. There may be debates about the validity of the scientific method, but that method isn't as controversial as the genealogical method, not by a long shot.
Now, please, articulate an actual argument.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:07:12 2015 No.6755588

>>6755578
>pre-Greek
What does that mean? Bronze age?
Anyway I'll read the History of Sexuality and then form my own opinion of it.
Also History of Sexuality is just one book, he wrote, there are countless others, and in my opinion he is best not with books, but when he's doing a lecture. Read some of the transcribes of his lectures, to really get his ideas, way of thought and more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:07:30 2015 No.6755589 >>6755585 Your definition of the scientific method is exactly identical to a definition of the genealogical method.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:07:47 2015 No.6755590 >>6755582 >pre-Greek Fucking idiot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:08:47 2015 No.6755595 >>6755588 >his ideas That's why he's just an ideologue. An historian presents facts backed by evidence.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:10:46 2015 No.6755600

>>6755584
So what? My argument isn't that only the scientific method is valid and it never has been. For some reason, people on this board get very upset when you mention science and immediately assume that believing in the power of peer reviewed and data-driven research is the same as thinking that no one can know anything g that hasn't already been proven scientifically.
>>6755589
I didn't know the genealogical method involved peer review. No description of it that I've read, and no example of it that I've encountered, has given me the impression that it does.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:11:12 2015 No.6755601 >>6755595 >An historian presents facts backed by evidence. No we fucking don't you horrible useless cunt. Do you know anything about historiography and its limitations?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:12:19 2015 No.6755608 >>6755600 You don't seem to know much about scholarly publishing in the humanities.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:12:22 2015 No.6755609 File: 36 KB, 180x200, 1288190568719.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6755590 Archeological evidence exists for "pre-Greeks" too, boyo.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:12:48 2015 No.6755612

>>6755595
He was a "philosophy" professor who took up a chair called history of systems of thought. It's obviously connected to what's known as history of ideas. It's obvious that ideas play an important role in it.
Also history can't ever be completely void of "authorial intent" of historian. Especially if the primary sources are lacking and you have to theorise on how it all fits.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:12:53 2015 No.6755613 >>6755601 >we lol, go fist your ideologue boyfriend.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:12:58 2015 No.6755614 >>6755601 I didn't know that making claims without evidence was big in the historiographical community

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:13:41 2015 No.6755618 >>6755550 You call me an idiot yet you missed my point the first time tantrum Tommy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:14:00 2015 No.6755621 >>6755608 I'm not sure Foucault is very well-regarded there, to be honest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:14:01 2015 No.6755622 >>6755612 >everything is biased, so let'd do away with rigour and evidence and just posit our vague, misguided musings.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:14:22 2015 No.6755625 >>6754832 /sp/ is the loading dock for stale tumblr memes >>6754920 lol >>6755176 lmfao >>6755218 HAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:15:17 2015 No.6755628

>>6755573
You gotta learn to ride the tiger anon. The energy is all here, if you want discussion you need to learn to bring it out of people.

The same thing that makes this place to great is what makes it so fucking bad at the same time.

I don't want to fap on romantically about 4chan like some people do. But this place risks all order, and in doing so allows for the most natural things to arise when they happen to arise.

besides being a salty fuck is part of the rhetoric. It honestly disappears for me. I don't think my brain even processes the word faggot anymore unless i concentrate

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:15:21 2015 No.6755629 >>6755573 your point? XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD [USER WAS AWARDED REDDIT GOLD AND /R/BESTOF POST OF THE DAY FOR THIS POAT]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:15:50 2015 No.6755630 >>6755612 History of ideas isn't history, and it definitely isn't supposed to present every idea it deals with as fact

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:16:19 2015 No.6755633

>>6755614
Since Ranke we've known that we work with language objects, and the documentary records of the past aren't "evidence" for "facts" or even for "claims" but rather required elements of the construction of new narratives according to rules where negating the documentary record without good argument results in less pleasing accounts. The less pleasing the account, the more likely you're ejected from the profession.

The requirement to produce new narratives in harmony with the known documentary record and methods of reading is a limitation on novel accounts, largely because we require very large amounts of documentation to reach firm conclusions.

"fact" and "evidence" give far too much weight to what we can say about the past.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:17:05 2015 No.6755634 >>6755584 Science is based on peer review not blind faith captain stupidhead

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:17:26 2015 No.6755637

>>6755621
>I'm not sure Foucault is very well-regarded there, to be honest.

Texts of close commentary are published by OUP and CUP. His works are cited approvingly in peer reviewed journals and monographs published through major (top 100) University presses.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:18:15 2015 No.6755639

>>6755633
>The requirement to produce new narratives in harmony with the known documentary record and methods of reading is a limitation on novel accounts
>novel accounts
>Caring about novelty so much that you throw out the possibility that an artifact can serve as evidence that the society that produced it existed

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:18:26 2015 No.6755642

>>6755622
I never said that. I believe that if you do mix your original ideas with history, that is factual it should be clearly distinguished what's what.

>>6755630
I do agree with you. I mean history of ideas is "multi-discipline" field, but it still uses loads of historical methodologies and uses history for its basis.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:18:41 2015 No.6755643

>>6755574
So, the scientific method refers to any instance of the following series of activities: {uncovers data by empirical observation, submits this data to peer review, produces models on the basis of the data}.

The question thus arises: are these activities ordered? Or may they be executed in any order for the activity to count as an activity of the scientific method? Because these six versions of "the scientific method", while containing the same activities, are completely different things if we take order into consideration:

Let U = "uncovers data by empirical observation", S = "submits this data to peer review", M = "produces models on the basis of the data", then

<U, S, M> ≠ <U, M, S> ≠ <S, M, U> ≠ <S, U, M> ≠ <M, S, U> ≠ <M, U, S>

Moreover, you do realize that your senses alone do not extrapolate the data observed? It is your job to articulate the observed phenomena.

I could, of course, go on, but I would like you to answer these questions first.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:18:53 2015 No.6755645 >>6755634 Theology and traditional cultures involve peer review. I'm not sure you think in the least critically about the aborted dinner foetuses you birth from your face cunt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:18:54 2015 No.6755644 >>6755165 >warrior philosophers (us) Oh christ, you really think this, don't you?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:19:06 2015 No.6755646 File: 159 KB, 915x678, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6755625 >mocking based /fit/ It'll be okay little guy

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:19:06 2015 No.6755647 >>6755634 >Science is based on peer review Kek, Yea and Islam means peace. Feminism means equality. Communism means everyone is equal

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:20:04 2015 No.6755650 >>6755639 Mate, if you can "know" a "society" from an "artefact" then prepare to overturn everything we know about empirical research and inductive reasoning. Fan girl boipussy and memephilosopher status await you.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:20:12 2015 No.6755652

>>6755010
It was a ghost town, but it was a ghost town devoid of pepes and shitposts
>>6755261
That's not a generalization, it's an observation. You don't have any evidence that says I'm a redneck, you're only inferring that using the idea that gunowner=redneck. I live in Seattle, possibly the least hick-tolerant place in the US

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:21:24 2015 No.6755654 >>6755645 All that money spent on your liberal arts degree and this is the level of discourse you manage? >m-muh feelings are hurt Stop getting so personally involved in these arguments kid

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:24:28 2015 No.6755668

>>6755643
We could go on like this, or we could both acknowledge that an institution or set of institutions currently exists in the world operating on a method I've been attempting to define which has been described, for centuries, as 'the scientific method.'
You're being unnecessarily difficult. I'm not advocating that this method as the singular valid mode of inquiry. I'm pointing out that technology, and presumably the state of abstract human knowledge, has noticably progressed as a consequence of this method's application to certain questions asked by certain disciplines like physics, biology, or chemistry. I'm not even going to continue arguing about this anymore because I know how touchy this board is about the fact that science can make objective progress.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:25:35 2015 No.6755674 >>6755650 Are you denying that the ancient Greeks made urns, or that the Pyramids were built in the lastm

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:26:03 2015 No.6755676 >>6755654 You've not managed to refute the action of peer review in traditional cultures of theology. You've not managed to clarify in the least what you believe the scientific method is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:27:09 2015 No.6755678 >>6755676 You haven't even given an example of peer review occurring in traditional cultures' theology or given a good reason not to think of theology as scientific

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:27:12 2015 No.6755679

>>6755674
I'm denying that you can know who the "ancient Greeks" were, what their extent was, and what the content of the culture of the people involved was.

Tell me, did resident foreigners have dike? Why did slaves not row in Athens before one date, but did afterwards? Why weren't Trojans Greek?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:28:17 2015 No.6755682 >>6755628 nah, i'm done here. this place is just dumb. the only reason i come here every now and then is b/c boredom at work. i have much better debates with colleagues at bars or coworkers in the break room.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:28:18 2015 No.6755683 >>6755676 Because shitposting deserves shitposting in response You've already showed what kind of a child you are with your last post, there's no point in discussing anything with you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:28:29 2015 No.6755684 >>6755339 Am I challenging your narrow views and categories? >wake up >check bathub, make sure shine distillation is still going >fuck sister >clean guns >finish reading Foucault's Pendulum >shitpost on /lit >fuck sister >go to bed in a hay bale

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:28:40 2015 No.6755685

>>6755678
Elder induction is a form of peer review. You need to meet peer standards prior to having your status as an elder accredited.

Theology is peer reviewed through a variety of scholarly journals listed in Ulrichs, and through the reader approval processes of University Presses.

Given that you've not managed to explain what "science" is, your appeal to science by claiming theology is not science despite meeting your definition, is a tautological argument containing a contradiction.

Bother to keep up.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:28:45 2015 No.6755686
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>>6755312
It's more of a maymay, though there are extremists (mostly rebbit STEMfags) that think philosophy is a dichotomy between
>l'empirical falsifiable cold hard REASON AND LOGIC
and
>muh pussy feelsfaggotry unfalsifiable art religion
with little overlap between the two, and further that the latter has no application and science is just fucking omnipotent and infallible.

But those people are just a vocal minority. I hope.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:29:20 2015 No.6755689 >>6755612 >Especially if the primary sources are lacking and you have to theorise on how it all fits. Then your history is flawed, no historian is denying this. That doesn't mean the institution is brought down to nihilism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:29:52 2015 No.6755692 >>6755647 >muh communism red scare boogeyman You're not on pol anymore, boy. This is lit.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:30:44 2015 No.6755696

>>6755679
I don't have anything to go on with any of that. But that doesn't mean I can't come to any conclusions about what happened in the past. Propositions like 'this urn must have been crafted by someone' and 'the Pyramids must have been built by someone' seem fine to me. But I totally get your point.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:30:58 2015 No.6755697

>>6755682
your point?

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#SHOTSFIRED
#MANDOWN
#420
#DANKMEMES
#PENUS

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:32:03 2015 No.6755704 >>6755689 Or maybe we shouldn't hold history up to standards that it can't attain? History isn't a hegelian slow rise to absolute knowledge, it's bunch of random events that brought us to now.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:32:04 2015 No.6755705

>>6755668
>For centuries
I think you mean since Popper.

>has noticiably progressed
wew lad.

You haven't made the least argument as to why science is "True" or supplies certain knowledge.

You've retreated to historicism and power-contingency, which are exactly the methods Foucault uses in describing systems of power knowledge.

You have taken to arguing like Foucault in order to defend science because you're incapable of defending science's capacity to make true knowledge. Because nobody can defend the production of truth (outside of the tautologies of mathematics and analytical philosophy, neither of which produce novel (as it is tautological) nor applicable (as it is non-empirical) truths). You can't even secure that knowledge has been generated.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:32:48 2015 No.6755710 >>6755685 >peer reviewing oppinions on baseless assumptions Keep up with what? The going ons of your glorified fan fiction club?

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:33:17 2015 No.6755712

>>6755685
>You need to meet peer standards prior to having your status as an elder accredited.
Peer review of empirical data != peer review of oneself.
>theology is not science
Not my claim. I'm asking you why it seems odd to include theology under the umbrella of science. It seemed like you were objecting to it earlier.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:34:03 2015 No.6755715

>>6755696
Any information you would wish to know about "the greeks" or the urn involve you creating an imaginary entity ("the greeks") and more imaginaries, greek society, Athens, dike, slavery, imagination upon imagination.

None of which connect in any secure way to the past. And when people start saying "of course the Greeks existed," historians start asking, "Were those people we call Greek actually Greek? What is Greekness, Were they a people?"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:34:12 2015 No.6755717 >>6755692 >everyone here has to circle jerk communism And you're not in your hugbox either >pol bogey man Everytime

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:34:38 2015 No.6755718

>>6755705
>You've retreated to historicism and power-contingency, which are exactly the methods Foucault uses in describing systems of power knowledge.
Ugh
A claim backed up by institution s protected by power isn't invalid because those institutions are backed by power and Foucault never claimed they did, to his credit. He was smarter than his fanboys.
You're an idiot

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:35:17 2015 No.6755721

>>6755710
I restart the starting point:

demonstrate the difference between truth and falsehood. Peer review, which is used in the "oppinions" of traditional cultures isn't sufficient for them, so nor can it be sufficient as an argument that science produces truth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:36:43 2015 No.6755723 >>6755715 You're equating all historians with philosophers. This is a category mistake.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:37:27 2015 No.6755727

>>6755712
You seem to have a strange separation of knowledge and individual and treat it as self-evident.

I don't have an opinion on science beyond being a funding power discourse invented largely in the 1950s. I know NIST doesn't give out $20m grants for theology.

Then again, I know (thanks Hume), that no inductive system can produce Truth and don't try to argue for some special treatment for some discourses in this regard.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:37:44 2015 No.6755728 >>6754826 >men >on 4chan XD

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:37:46 2015 No.6755729 >>6755718 >they did It was*

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:38:28 2015 No.6755733 >>6755718 Foucault denied validity existed outside of contingent historical systems.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:38:42 2015 No.6755734

>>6755682
MUH COWORKERS ARE INTELLECTUALS WHO DONT CUSS XD WE HAVE TALKS AT THE BAR AND THE BREAK ROOM!

XDDDDD

EBIN BREAKTOOM DEBATE OVER BARS DONT SAY NIGGER THOUGH XDDDDD THAT ISNT A BETTER DEBATE LIKE I HAVE AT THE BAR ABOUT COLLUGES IN THE BREAKROOM BAZZOPER 4CHAN IVE HAD IT

IM GONE FOR HOOD LATER M8S IM OFF THE THE COLLEGUE TO DISCUSS BREAKROOMS WITH MY BAR HAHAHAHAHA OH GOD PLEASE DONT SAY FAG OR ILL HAVE MY COLLEGUES KICK YOU OUT OF MY BREAK ROOM AND BEAT YOU WITH A BAR AND THEN YOULL NEVER BE INVITED TO MY BAR WHICH DOUBLES AS A BREAK ROOM AND TRIPLES AS MY COLLEUGE XD

your point?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:39:42 2015 No.6755736 File: 28 KB, 420x420, selffuckingexplained.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] As if it wasn't bad enough having /pol/ and /r9k/ shitting up the board, now our name is making some weeaboos column. Fuck this shit. I'm out.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:40:27 2015 No.6755740

>tfw imageboards are postmodern coffee shops

It's weird knowing that we're the intelligentsia of this generation. Even if 4chan is mostly privileged highschoolers now

The author didn't mention (I assume he's browsing this thread if it interests him) that WN sights targeted 4chan for recruitment and spammed a lot of the racist memes here, as well the mods that sometimes censor political opinions (which did create a decent amount of backlash). A lot of the racism here is coming from political campaigning. I wouldn't be surprised if the libertarian spam we had a few years back was being funded by think tanks. The IDF has also issued statements about 4chan, and I wouldn't be surprised if they also have helped propagate anti-arab sentiments.

After /new/ got deleted years ago, there was a splinter site with about 500 or so unique posters started. Although this number gradually dwindled down, the site turned into an unusually close knit community for an imageboard (while preserving a lot of the racism) and has inspired several acts of terrorism/semi terrorism (several posters advocate genocide, several posters were arrested mailing ammunition to each other across state lines, one poster from the UK recently walked into a grocery store with a machete and hacked an indian man to death, and so on). It's interesting how a small echo-chamber can radicalize people. This is also how ISIS is recruiting people.

Anyways it's becoming increasingly clear that I need to quite my day job so I can devote myself to spamming pro-NEET manifestos on imageboards 24/7. The future belongs to whoever can exploit memes the best.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:41:41 2015 No.6755742

>>6755721
>correcting a misspelling

Tip harder redditor, it was a slip of the key.

I'm not the guy you were debating and I don't care about your original point, I'm saying that theology is all baseless and a theological journal has as much validity as a Naruto Fanfiction on Deviant Art

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:43:15 2015 No.6755744

>>6755733
Did he deny that those systems could yield useful information? Because my claim is literally only that they can field useful and occasionally accurate information, and that some methods are better st this task than others.
>>6755727
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:46:16 2015 No.6755754 >>6755742 You're saying it, but you're not demonstrating that what you're saying is true.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:47:35 2015 No.6755761 >>6755427 sure dude sure just go back to >>>/tv/ and discuss the "miracle" of pre-teen pussy

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:47:44 2015 No.6755762

>>6755740
>The future belongs to whoever can exploit memes the best.
Sadly this is true. Only now I'm beginning to see how powerful memes can actually be. I mean gamergate meme got a large part of gamers into traditionalism and shit. It's fucking crazy.
If anything /pol/ is good with memes and using them to indoctrinate others. I mean, I hope that in most cases /pol/ is preaching the choir and it's not that much about changing "leftist" or "SJW" to their side, but rather radicalising of those who were right and conservative to begin with, but still. It's both amazing and scary how efficient memes can be with indoctrination and radicalisation. But then again, that's how parts of tumblr got to what they're now. So maybe I'm praising /pol/ too much, they just used the same tactic as tumblr did, just for the other end of political spectrum.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:48:10 2015 No.6755763 >>6755754 >I'm not demonstrating what I'm saying to be true Just like the basis of all theology #rekt

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:48:10 2015 No.6755764

>>6755744
Foucault denied the idea of transhistorical use. Knowledge was a means to maintain power relations. The very idea of "use" outside of maintaining an epistemes power flows is meaningless.

The fuck I am talking about is how you're really fucking underread in epistemology.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:49:18 2015 No.6755769 >>6755763 The argument against theology is true because it is a theological argument and theology is false? Cogent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:50:05 2015 No.6755772 >>6755761 >WAAAAH GET OFF MY BOARD :( No :^)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:51:55 2015 No.6755777 >>6755769 Theology has never been demonstrated to be more true than Naruto fan fiction and as such deserves the same level of academic consideration. >all these mental gymnastics to defended an undefendable position

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:54:32 2015 No.6755786

>>6755777
Science has never been demonstrated to be more true than a Naruto fan fiction and as such deserves the same level of academic consideration.

Please feel free to demonstrate science produces truth. You'll need to overturn Hume, but there you go.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:57:31 2015 No.6755795 >>6755361 This is obviously a false flag troll

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 13:59:01 2015 No.6755799

>>6755786
>I can't articulate what Hume claimed consistent so ill name drop
>QED

Science is not based on absolute truth, every theory is subject to review, but it builds off of previously demonstrated theories when forming and testing new hypothesis.

There is no universal absolute in science, if you can prove that a currently accepted theory is based off of incorrect premesies then it would have to be corrected.

It's ridiculous that I have to explain this to you, you should have learned this in elementary school but I hardly expect better from someone trying to elevate theology to a science.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:00:15 2015 No.6755801 >>6755799 concisely Not consistent*

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:00:53 2015 No.6755803
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>>6755762
It's nothing that hasn't been going on since Goebbels. What's really scary is that lots of these memes are created with clear political intent in mind, then left to fester into radicalism. The libertarian movement, support for Israel, even those youtube channels who get spammed here are all being pushed with varying degrees of success onto public channels in the form of memes.

My favorite meme going around now is the 'wagecuck' one on /r9k/.Us left wingers on /lit/ need to start pulling their heads out of our theory and start making shitty jpegs about the glories of communism.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:03:41 2015 No.6755807

>>6755803
I'm trying to make a nazicuck a maymay on /pol/.
Even though I'm pretty sure I wasn't the first to use it. It's far from anything revolutionary, but at least if it takes hold various stormfronters and other neonazis will stop using /pol/ as their safe space.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:05:08 2015 No.6755815

>>6755799
So the point is that science doesn't produce truth, am I correct? Science is no more true than a Naruto fan fiction, necessarily. Therefore in the matter of truth, Science and Naruto fan fiction and Theology are identical.

I shouldn't have to demonstrate this reasoning to you. And I'm not trying to elevate theology to a science, I am defending the proposal that someone who could prove empirical things to be true would have made an amazing (and remarkably counterintuitive) contribution to human knowledge. And the first thing that happened is two cretinous STEM fucks claimed that "scientific method" produced truth.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:06:09 2015 No.6755816 >>6755803 Or you should get a fucking job Build the fucking union And work towards shooting the bosses.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:08:53 2015 No.6755825 >>6755815 Science approaches truth. When you take what you know for granted for truth, you may close yourself to new data that could correct your perspective.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:10:43 2015 No.6755829 >>6755825 If you can't know what truth is, how can you say you're approaching it? You claim to have big balls, where's your Popper?

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:11:37 2015 No.6755833
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>>6755807
Recently I've been toying with the idea of starting an insurrectionary shitposting group to try and force pro-intellectual memes and take back /lit/. It's probably the only way to establish world wide communism at this point.

>>6755816
This is a good one too.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:15:37 2015 No.6755842 >>6755764 Foucaultian epistemology is trash.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:16:53 2015 No.6755848 >>6755764 I don't understand what power flows have to do with the accuracy of knowledge about, for instance, the fact of my bed's solidity.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:17:57 2015 No.6755857

>>6755829
The assumption is that truth will be compatible with the data we find.

We gather data and revise our theories so they fit the data better. We make predictions based on our theories, test them, and that new data will either reinforce the theory or force us to revise or discard it.

Basically, we can dismiss theories and accept alternatives as possible truths then repeat the process. It's a process of elimination' in a way.

And I'm a different guy. The post you quoted is mine but I arrived 10 minutes ago.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:19:39 2015 No.6755862 >>6755857 But you've just said we can only ever approach truth. The assumption would be crippling for the use of science to access truth. Your account of science is verificationalist by the way, you need to read Popper badly.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:21:04 2015 No.6755870 >>6755862 Holy shit Popper is one guy His theories aren't even in vogue anymore Stop namedropping, you pretentious fag

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:21:05 2015 No.6755871 >>6755815 Hahahaha the antiSTEM circle jerk there it is Why are you peasants always so salty?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:22:14 2015 No.6755873 >>6755870 Listen you cretanious STEMfag maybe you should read some Hume before debating me

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:24:17 2015 No.6755880 >>6755873 Not even a STEMfag Read Kant before yelling about Hume

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:25:05 2015 No.6755883

>>6755870
Popper is one guy.
Popper's writings demolish verificationalist attitudes towards scientific production of knowledge.
Popper's demolition of verificationalism is so basic, anyone who hasn't encountered it, and makes a verificationalist argument in favour of scientific method is basically showing that they're too ignorant to play.

>>6755871
Because we don't claim to produce truth despite what is known about knowledge.

>>6755873
Yes Doris, if you don't have the tools to work an area, you'd better get them before coming around to play.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:26:32 2015 No.6755889 >>6755880 >Kant >relevant to induction

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:26:46 2015 No.6755890 >>6755883 How can you demonstrate that there is no absolute truth?

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:29:05 2015 No.6755897

>>6755862
Popper states theories should be falsible. You are still verifying, you just aren't looking for confirmation.

Like I said, process of elimination.

Science is useful as long as the theories allow predictions. We know Newtonian physics don't explain the very little stuff but it sufficed for a very long term and is still more generally used than more recent theories.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:30:47 2015 No.6755902 >>6755890 I don't need to demonstrate that there isn't an absolute truth, I only need to rely on Hume's demonstration that we can't know truth empirically.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:31:49 2015 No.6755906 >>6755897 You're not verifying, you're just failing to disconfirm. These are very different things.

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:36:49 2015 No.6755926

>>6755906
You are verifying if it holds up or it does'nt. Popper says we should looking to find it doesn't.

You are just being pedantic. He isn't a complicated man. He just opposes dogma, as it is conductive to scientific stagnation.

This fucking tablet.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:40:04 2015 No.6755936 >>6755926 His central fucking point is that you're not proving anything. If he's that uncomplicated how do you manage to fuck up his central point?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:43:40 2015 No.6755951 >>6755936 His central point is that science doesn't give definite, final answers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 14:48:35 2015 No.6755973 >>6755951 *definitive

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 15:04:26 2015 No.6756033 >>6755291 Stirner is the cuck king and you his fluffer

>>	Anonymous Mon Jun 29 15:10:50 2015 No.6756050 File: 840 KB, 1920x1080, gaygaygaygaygay.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6755550 no u

>>	The cats Mon Jun 29 15:26:29 2015 No.6756107 >>6755419 Same

>>	The cats Mon Jun 29 16:03:43 2015 No.6756295 >>6755740 >>tfw imageboards are postmodern coffee shops I've had this thought a bunch

>>	The cats Mon Jun 29 16:10:21 2015 No.6756337 >>6755857 You're just validating him and allowing to sharpen his abilities to be generally insufferable

Anonymous Mon Jun 29 16:51:34 2015 No.6756536

>>6755508
>Foucault
>arguing for communism
You're a fucked who doesn't know what he is talking about. Foucault is one of the few French intellectuals to actually criticize Marx quite well (see his structures of power and counter to Marxist center on the state)

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