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Why does everyone give Schopenhauer so much shit?
I'm reading his The World as Will and Representation and it's one of the greatest books I've been reading in years.

>> No.6747135

>>6747129
Because Nietzsche

>> No.6747140
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6747140

>>6747129
>The World as Will and Representation
more like gaypenhauer

>> No.6747144

Because nobody here has actually read The World as Will. They just read "On Women" and treat Schopenhauer like some weird NEET god.

The World as Will may be the only well written piece of German philosophy in existence. It's so fun to read and covers almost every aspect of human life, yet people who haven't read it just post "SCHOPES SAYS KILL YOURSELF" and other just blatantly incorrect shit.

>> No.6747148

Cis scum basically.

>> No.6747227

>>6747129
Without him I do wonder if we wouldn't still be shitting ourselves over solipsism and things in themselves

>> No.6747244

>>6747129
Because >>6747144

In tyool 2015, saying "lol women kind of suck" in any cryptic form makes you heil hitler satan megaevil demonlord Lozar, so people dismiss him and his philosophy

In reality he's a good old conservative as fuck philosopher and is really worth reading

>> No.6747248

>>6747148

You disgust me

>> No.6747284

since when does "everyone" give schopenhauer shit? last i checked he was considered an important and influential figure in the history of thought.

>> No.6747304

>>6747284
Ever step foot in an American university?

>> No.6747309

>>6747304
just graduated one. admittedly i've never heard anyone there even mention schopenhauer, though i only took a handful of philosophy courses.

>> No.6747331

>>6747309
Well, many places are guilty of "le dead white men" racism and Schopenhauer is often considered one of those oppressive voices.

>> No.6747347

>>6747331
are you sure that actual academics do this, and not just a handful of tumblr users who have read nothing of his work but know the gist of his essay on women?

>> No.6747362

>>6747347
They exist, and they're not as fringe as you'd like to think.

>> No.6747369

>>6747362
can you provide me some with examples of respected academics doing what you've described with regard to schopenhauer?

>> No.6747375

>>6747369
No

>> No.6747387

Which of you made this video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujY4jLrjSm0

>> No.6747395

>>6747375
so why are you so convinced that something along those lines is common?

>> No.6747445

>>6747395
Well, for instance, a good scientist recently got fired over "sexist" comments that were manufactured by the media.

>> No.6747450

>>6747445
what are you referring to and how does it relate to schopenhauer's reputation?

>> No.6747467

>>6747450
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/nobel-prize-scientist-tim-hunt-forced-to-resign-sexist-comments/
http://www.amren.com/news/2015/05/university-union-officer-who-wrote-kill-all-white-men-tweet-will-remain-in-post/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_white_men
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny#Philosophers_.2817th_to_20th_century.29

Do you really think this doesn't exist in academia?

>> No.6747489

>>6747467
>Do you really think this doesn't exist in academia?
no, i'm saying that the insinuation that schopenhauer is not a respected thinker is ridiculous, and so far you have done absolutely nothing to make me reconsider that stance.

protip: acknowledging perceived faults in a person's thought is not equivalent to rejecting that thought in its entirety.

>> No.6747507

>>6747489
>no, i'm saying that the insinuation that schopenhauer is not a respected thinker is ridiculous, and so far you have done absolutely nothing to make me reconsider that stance.
You don't think these pressures have done anything to push potential readers away from Schopenhauer? If you're saying these pressures don't, then I don't think you understand how human nature works. If you're demanding I "prove" it, then I demand you "prove" Schopenhauer readership hasn't changed. Neither of us can do it because neither of us can actually run a social experiment and use the statistics we get to draw some conclusions.

>> No.6747518

>>6747507
>You don't think these pressures have done anything to push potential readers away from Schopenhauer?
i don't think that schopenhauer is the recipient of
>so much shit
as had been claimed in the op, and you've still done nothing to make me reconsider.

>> No.6747520

>>6747518
Okay then, well have a good life.

>> No.6748780

>>6747347
Yurop here, went to this casual philosophy discussion meeting. The topic was some specific recent case of abortion, I don't really remember. As everyone was arguing what constitutes the ethics of bringing one to life I always essentially came back to Schopenhauer and Cioran. Instead of a discussion the professor just shook it off as 'you've been reading too much of them lately :^) '. It was weird, I'm good friends with the guy. I suppose pessimism is just not favored in most circles because it's difficult to argue against and people do not want to hear about it.