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6746929 No.6746929 [Reply] [Original]

can you be a Christian existential nihilist?

>> No.6746940

no

>> No.6746953

>>6746940

why?
I don't see what the point of God is
why does it exist and what for?

>> No.6746966

Nope

》Christianity establishes an objective system of ethics
》Good in life => heaven
》Christians inherently want to go to heaven
》Life's purpose thus amounts to good deeds a good afterlife

>> No.6746971

is that Nietzsche? shut the fuck up

>> No.6746977

>>6746953

how is that relevant

>> No.6746991

>>6746953
You're supposed to take god on faith as a Christian

>> No.6746997

You can be a Christian /natured/ existential nihilist, though it depends on what kind of nihilist you are in the first place that would settle on Christian ethics.

Christianity and nihilism don't like each other, since transcendentally grounded principles and nihilism are completely opposite.

>> No.6747013

Christian existentialism is a thing, yes.

There is a God, but we know nothing about it or its mechanisms.

>> No.6747017

>>6746953
>why does it exist and what for?
To control.
OP has been answered here >>6746966

/thread

>> No.6747025

>>6747013
That sounds more like theist existentialism.
Christianity with no answers? Can there be such Christian a church that doesn't have the instruction manual?

>> No.6747036

>>6747025
What is Acts 17:23?

>> No.6747040

>>6746991
You're supposed to take the paradox of Christ on faith. Taking the existence of God on faith isn't part of Christianity.

>> No.6747046

>>6747025
This

A fundamental doctrine of Christianity is taking the other doctrines of Christianity as axiom.

Your only ethical axiom is that God exists. You express doubt, the opposite of faith, about the specifically Christian teachings.

Thus, you're not a Christian, in the traditionally definable sense. Neither was Kierkegaard, incase that's why you're considering yourself a christian.

>> No.6747051

>>6747017

I'm not interested in life's purpose, I'm interested in God's purpose.

If he is a pointless entity himself why would I follow him? that would be pointless.

>> No.6747064

>>6747051

purposes bind you.
nothing binds God, he is free.

>> No.6747066

>>6747017
Heck no, that doesn't preclude existentialism

>>6747051
I think this is really what the Book of Job is about. It's not about theodicy, it's about is there really even any purpose to God or anything he does? What's the point?

>> No.6747073

>>6747066
>it's about is there really even any purpose to God or anything he does? What's the point?

this is a scary thought.

>> No.6747075

>>6747064
I think that was Stirner's point, but really our trying to frame God in terms of purpose is anthropomorphizing him. Purpose stems from God. The confusion is, is there any substance to this purpose?

>> No.6747077

>>6747051
Upon death you are to bow to him for eternity because it pleases him.
Think of nothing else.

The whole concept of gods came from ancestor worship, fear of death and fear of the future. Humans have a tendency to see the past with rose coloured glasses.
Sometimes their youth or their countries past or both. They want to warmth of momma's lap again

>> No.6747079

>>6747073
You might like Zizek's analysis of the Book of Job, which he calls the first critique of ideology.

>> No.6747085

>>6747077
>Humans have a tendency to see the past with rose coloured glasses.
Yeah, right

>muh dark ages
>muh dark ages
>muh dark ages

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>>6746966

>thinks he can buy his way into heaven with good deeds

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>>6747097
>Christ-chan talks about heretics
>artist is lutheran

>> No.6747110

>>6747079
here is the clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0jzsne1TRI

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>>6747105
The artist who does the Nazi-friendly Christ-chan is. There's also Catholic Christ-chan

>> No.6747124

>>6747077
>to warmth
*The warmth

>>6747085
Yeah. We still have people trying to resuscitate the Dark Ages as being a far more wonderful age to live in. Monarchists and theocratic types. In the US they're all about their George Washington, freedums and bald eagles.

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6747128

>Could I BE wearing any more ideologies?

>> No.6747132

>>6747124
Monarchists are trying to resuscitate the early modern period, mostly, not the Middle Ages.

You fundamentally misunderstand the Radical Orthodox movement as far as theology goes: it's not that the Middle Ages were preferable to live in compared to now, it's that we threw out a lot of valuable stuff from the Middle Ages and replaced it with stuff that wasn't that healthy. It has nothing to do with the Middles Ages being preferable in every way and that baths are modernist degeneracy.

>> No.6747139

>>6747110

zizek made me a calvinist atheist.
God predestined me to disbelieve in him. I believe it.

>> No.6747141

>>6746929
Relax, we're all generally confused bastards here

>> No.6747146

>>6747139
But you haven't read Zizek's debate with Milbank in the Monstrosity of Christ, where Zizek defends Calvanist atheism against Milbank's orthodox catholicism in a struggle to determine which one can most radically critique capitalist society.

>> No.6747154

>>6747146

> Calvanist atheism against Milbank's orthodox catholicism in a struggle

source?

>critique capitalist society.

this part sounds totally boring and banal.

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>>6747132
>Monarchists are trying to resuscitate the early modern period, mostly, not the Middle Ages.
True.
But you know, if they were successful, in time the constitutionalists would have some absolutists to contend with.

I'm not even saying people are seriously into bringing back an age that far back, but there are some fringy a-holes who want antebellum slavery back for crying out loud. More would prefer a 1950s era or Reagan era sheen to return, there are several types, but I suspect it's just their imaginations.
I myself feed off of nostalgic feelings from time to time

>> No.6747162

>>6747154
The Monstrosity of Christ is the title.

>this part sounds totally boring and banal.
It's not, because Milbank critiques capitalism-modernism-secularism as one ferocious demon.

>> No.6747173

>>6746929
The amount of repetition in the bible can make you feel a little Sisyphean

>> No.6747281

Dear christfags,
Congratulations, you got a reaction from atheists. That's what you wanted, right? Well, I've decided I don't like people like you. You've messed with the community of the wrong psychopath. Before you get excited, you haven't even made me angry. I am a hard person to make angry. However, I despise people like you.
Your pitiful logic skills are hilarious. Deconstructing ad hominem and straw men are level 1. Can you construct an argument that reduces your teacher to tears? Can you tear through assertions like they’re the flimsy pages of your precious bible? Your silly little sky fairy won't protect you. I've converted many christfags and outwitted the kikes on numerous occasions . I've scared preachers with only my steely gaze. I have been enlightening morons since I had a computer. It's what I was raised to do.
You have no idea to the extent of fear which you should be feeling. All you are is just a community of internet creeps. Have you ever murdered anyone? I have no empathy and I will probably feel joy peeling your skin off your face.
You think I'm giving you an empty threat? Believe that. I have contacts in dark places that you don't want to know about. If you live even close to me you better fear for your life.
Track my IP if you want to, but I am smart enough to use a library computer. Hack into my account if you want, but it'll just make it easier for me to track you.
With love,
A psychopath
P.S. I would fear for your faith while you still have it.

>> No.6747321

>>6747064
Gender binds you, too

>> No.6747333

Dear staightfags,
Congratulations, you got a reaction from fagfags. That's what you wanted, right? Well, I've decided I don't like people like you. You've messed with the community of the wrong homo. Before you get excited, you haven't even made me hard. I am a hard person to make hard. However, I despise people like you.
Your pitiful sex skills are hilarious. Blowjob and handjob in a rubber are level 1. Can you blow up a prostate that leads your man to tears? Can you tear through asses like they’re the flimsy layers of meat? Your silly little billy won't protect you. I've fucked many blackfags and outsucked the hoes on numerous occasions . I've scared men with only my rockhard erection. I have been blowing mexies since I had a cock. It's what I was raised to do.
You have no idea to the extent of fear which you should be feeling. All you are is just a community of internet creeps. Have you ever raped anyone? I have no empathy and I will probably feel joy smashing my dick against your face.
You think I'm giving you an empty threat? Believe that. I have contacts in dark places that you don't want to know about. If you live even close to me you better fear for your life.
Track my IP if you want to, but I am smart enough to use a library computer. Hack into my account if you want, but it'll just make it easier for me to track you.
With love,
A psychopath
P.S. I would fear for your ass while you still have it.

>> No.6747351

>>6746929
yes, watch The Seventh Seal you pleb

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>>6747333

stop

>> No.6747447

>>6746929
Yes,

If Im not mistaken a big part of the Hellenist religion was just for entertainment. You can celebrate the culture of Christianity while being a nihilist. the beauty about identifying as something is that you can't be more right about what it objectively means than anyone else.

>> No.6747452

YES

Read the book of Job and then Kirkegaard

>> No.6747479

posting in a troll thread

dunno why anyone wouldn't just let this drift off without responses. Fucking stupid question. saging.

>> No.6747535

>>6746929

No.

Rust was an existential nihilist who became a Christian existentialist.

>>6747097

No one gets into heaven but through the grace of God. However, this doesn't diminish the necessity of conducting good works. Since all goodness comes from God, and God is infinitely good, to do good works is to act as a vessel for God's will and to imitate Him as we were instructed to do (Ephesians 5:1, 1 Corinthians 11:1, Matthew 5:48). We cannot imitate his power, we cannot imitate his justice, but we can imitate his goodness. To perform good works is to align our own wills with the Will of God. Free will is the greatest gift God has endowed us with: therefore, to offer up this gift for His sake is the greatest glory we can show Him.

'You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.'
James 2:24

'For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so faith apart from works is dead.'
James 2:26

I pray for your return to the bosom of our Holy Mother, the Church.

>> No.6747623

>>6747479

great contribution
thanks for the bump genius

>>6747535
>Rust was an existential nihilist who became a Christian existentialist.

I thought he was always Christian, he just had a crisis of faith and hated God

>>6747535
>james 2:24

wonky translation,
"You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone."

righteous =/= saved

>James 2:26

sure works can be a consequence of faith, an outward expression. But in themselves they are not salvific, see Paul.

>> No.6747644

>>6746929
Was it just me or did Rust sort of look like a thinner and slightly more handsome Wittgenstein half of the time?

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>>6747644

nah, it's obvious he looked like a short-haired, dehydrated Kierkegaard

>> No.6747756

Christianity is the closest any ideology can come to being existential nihilism.

Christianity is all or nothing, so it must push the price of being wrong as far as possible if its to have the reward of being right be as good as possible.

If you want a picture of the opposite thats moralizing agnostics, with moralizing atheists just a step behind.

>> No.6747963

Be whatever you want to be bro :^)
Me? I'm a fucking carousel.

>> No.6747967

>>6746929
It's called Calvinism and/or Evangelical Fundamentalism

>> No.6747971

>>6746929
nah

>> No.6747999

>>6746929
>can you believe in systems which claim to have inherent values while also believing nothing contains inherent value?

Listen to yourself, you retard.

>> No.6748024

>>6747999
The answer to nothing having inherent value is determining the value from an outside or supernatural source, ie religion.

>> No.6748030

>>6747999

that's not what existentialism or nihilism deal with

>> No.6749891

>>6747119
stop making idols sinner

>> No.6750601

anyone see the pervert's guide to ideology?

throughout the movie zizek takes the place of a character in their respective scene and talks to the audience from 'within'. the last temptation of christ scene is shown from the point of view of jesus on the cross looking down on zizek who's looking up and explaining the meaning of jesus' death. any thoughts on this?

>> No.6750611

>>6748030
>existentialism and nihilism don't deal with the concept of value
m8

>> No.6750629

>>6750601
The last person to have any would be old Ziz himself; I think I've heard him say that he didn't have much to do with the production of the movie. They just put him on the stage and let him do "his thing".

>> No.6750634

>>6750601
Clever filmmaking device to indicate the ease in which the ideological information reaches the audience without the audience realizing.

>> No.6750869

>>6746929
You can be whatever you want anon, but bear in mind chicks don't care for guys who make up long and bullshit titles to call themselves by. Everyone who is sensibly aware of the multiplicities of faith doesn't give two shits about whatever random assortment of beliefs you arbitrarily feel defines you.

>> No.6751151

No, Kierkegaard's issue with Christianity was that Christianity assumes essentialism, which a lot of people, religious and atheist alike, cannot move past. Only eastern religions can marry existentialism with any kind of understanding of God, and that's only because of how vague the concept of God is — more like the God of Descartes than like the God of Hume..

>> No.6751172

>can u buleev Jesus died so u can have eternal life if u don't buleev in eternity or life or Jesus or death?

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6751191

>I'm a Christian existential nihilist

>> No.6751204

>>6746971
Nice reference.