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Why do they care so much? What is the greater societal significance of this very specific event?

>> No.6744170

they don't really care

>> No.6744172

they don't care it's just good PR

>> No.6744178

>>6744167
Most European countries have had samesex marriage for years and no one really cared. Suddenly America gets it and society has a fit. Calm down buddy boy

>> No.6744191

>>6744178
Not true, at least not for the country I live in (Austria).

It's not that I'm against gay marriage, I just don't understand why it seems to resonate so much with big business. Why is it good PR? There's a good part of the country that's not actually on that side.

And large multinational companies don't usually care about your rights any more than they have to, so why would they now?

Having a hard time making heads or tails of this

>> No.6744199

It's a cause that's really easy to throw yourself behind because it makes you seem really cool and forward thinking without requiring any personal effort or effecting any meaningful change to the status quo.

also speaking negatively about it in any way is social suicide so most people just go with the flow

>> No.6744203

>>6744167
>companies like facebook back liberal agenda to appeal to nu-age leftists and sales increase
>companies like chik-fil-a refuse to recognize liberal idiocy and sales still increase because of spiteful rightwingers
When did you realize that all of 21st century politics is just an institution backed by big business to milk people for even more cash, /lit/?

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6744207

Made pretty clear here
>>6742861

There's nothing significant about the even apart from that, it doesn't emancipate anyone.

>> No.6744208

A symbol of the progress of history?

>> No.6744214
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>> No.6744220

>>6744167
>beautiful
>those butcher Twitter and Tumblr logos

>> No.6744233

>>6744207
>that whole post
>implying sex and children weren't even more of a commodity in the past.
>implying post-birth abortion is even a new idea
>almost certainly never read any peter singer.

>> No.6744239

>>6744191
Most of the country already had legalized gay marriage before this happened. The only place you'll risk getting negative PR in is the southeast

>> No.6744240

>>6744239
Based bible belt

>> No.6744252

>>6744191
>Why is it good PR? There's a good part of the country that's not actually on that side.

The majority of their target audience is on that side.

>> No.6744259

Son, sit down. I'm gonna tell you a story about something called neo-liberalism.

To be serious though, for all the ills of capitalist identity politics, I live in the only state in the US that still insists on withholding licenses from homosexuals and I can honestly say this corporate farce is the lesser ill.

>> No.6744266

>>6744233
>>implying post-birth abortion is even a new idea
It's been around forever but really let's just call it infanticide, it is what it is.

>> No.6744268

>>6744266
So's abortion, unless you are saying that it isn't an infant until it leaves the womb.

>> No.6744273

>>6744268
It isn't a customer until it leaves the womb.

>> No.6744275

>>6744268
When it draws its first breath, but yeah. You gotta draw a line somewhere or a blastocyst is a infant.

>> No.6744276

>>6744191
Large multinational care about anything that can be profitable, and all this lgbt fad sure is. And gay people have lots of money since they all use apple products.

>> No.6744280

>>6744276
I work in a warehouse, lots of lesbians there, they prefer Galaxy.

>> No.6744283

>>6744275
Seems like you cold draw the line during development.

>> No.6744289

>>6744283
Yeah I cold like that.

>> No.6744298

>>6744280
Gay men like apple. It is known

>> No.6744303

>>6744207
The more I read on, the more it seemed not worth responding to every dumb aspect of that post. Apply yourself.

>> No.6744309

>>6744273
Maternal care is a big industry.

>> No.6744320

>>6744309
For you

>> No.6744321

>>6744208
>A symbol of the progress of history?
>?
I really hoped you are just insecure about this answer.

>> No.6745186

>>6744172
this

>> No.6745198

PURE IDEOLOGY

>> No.6745215

The more important question is, why post this on /lit/?

>> No.6745224

More importantly, can someone explain to me why it's so immensly important to get married?

>> No.6745238

why are you so bitter

>> No.6745241

>>6744259
underrated post

>> No.6745246

>>6745224
-religion
-financial incentives
-commitment

>> No.6745254

>>6744167
Because it is one of the few things where we're not completely fucking up as a species. It is a symbol of hope, if you will. This very fact makes it suitable as an ideological masquerade for the fucked up state of affairs though.

>> No.6745264

>>6745254
>Because it is one of the few things where we're not completely fucking up as a species.

What are the others

>> No.6745273

>>6745215
Stop oppressing my right to free speech, shitlord

>> No.6745277

>>6745264
not him but:
war
poverty
access to food/water
democracy
corruption
the environment
general societal attitudes
degradation/loss of culture

there's a lot wrong with the world unfortunately

>> No.6745281

>>6744298
I'm gay and I'm posting with my shitty old Galaxy right now.

>> No.6745293

>>6745277
>muh anti war
>muh basic human rights
Grow up.

>> No.6745299

>>6745277
How is the existence of ear a sign that humans are fucking up?

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>>6745264
Eh, was gonna say something about female emancipation and technology, but then I remembered that emancipation means wage slavery and technology is produced by kids, using resources from warzones, so...well...fags, and...medicine. Yeah. Fags and medicine are the things we're good at right now, at least better than ever before. Also, I think slavery has recently been abolished in Mauretania, so, unless you recognize the caliphate, legal slavery is abolished on a global scale. Yay. Humanity.

>> No.6745326

>>6745293
is war good?
are human rights bad?
I'm not some kind of neo-liberal shitbag who pickets town halls because they take five quid off of benefits each month, but come on.

>>6745299
war is always bad, people die, people are injured and displaced en masse, war crimes are almost invariably committed, huge amounts of resources are wasted, land is usually fucked up, infrastructures are crippled (depending on who wins) and those who lose are usually subjected to shitty terms after they're over

Of course there are advantages such as technological advancement and if the war is fought and won in the name of a morally justifiable reason then that is a bonus. But unfortunately most are not. Most conflicts are this tribe killing that tribe, or this religious group waging war on everyone they hate, or this dictator starting shit.

In general it is far better to not be at war.

>> No.6745334

>>6744172
mostly this. Company's go by certain ideology's that benefit them. They only do something if its at an advantage to them

>> No.6745339

>>6745326
>war is always bad
Haha, good one!

>> No.6745344

>>6745326
War is inevitable
War can be justified
War can never be extinguished
Utopias are stupid

>> No.6745348

>>6745326
Who says war is bad? You? Are you an authority? Murder outside of your tribe is never wrong, ask the Africans.
Human rights are just not feasible and don't exist in reality.

>> No.6745349

>>6745293
what the fuck? Anti-war and anti-human rights is something a 16 year old /pol/tard would spout. You grow up

>> No.6745351

do people still think being gay is an identity?

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>>6745326
>war is always bad

>> No.6745353

>>6745254
fuck off back to reddit you fucking fedora

>> No.6745358

>muh neoliberalism
pls go fucking get your ass raped in cuba or whatever communist shithole you want to crawl into

>> No.6745368

/lit/ is for the discussion of literature.

If you want to talk about politics, go to /pol/.

>> No.6745370

>>6745349
It's so sad when people like this, without even a basic understanding of the world, show up.

>> No.6745372

>>6745353
I don't even browse reddit (except for misogynistic porn), and I've spent more time on /pol/ than I would anonymously admit. Cry more, your retarded views aren't board culture, they're just, well, your retarded views.

>> No.6745373

thanks OP, now I know which brands to boycott

>> No.6745379

>>6745368
/pol/ isn't for politics though

>> No.6745383

>>6745373
>boycotting the White House
Good luck with that.

>> No.6745384

>>6745348
>Human rights are just not feasible and don't exist in reality.
Yes, human rights much like the law and the government are social constructions. That is not a argument against them.

>> No.6745386

>>6745339
please list some good wars bud, some wars where everything was great

>>6745344
Unfortunately I agree with you that, for the foreseeable future at least, war is inevitable due to resources and people hating each other because of: religion, resource inequality, land inequality, race, economics, ideology etc. likewise it can on occasion be justified. As for never being extinguished that has yet to be seen. But why are utopias stupid? Should we not try to be creating one as best we can?

>>6745348
>who says war is bad
basically everyone who has ever fought in one
>are you an authority
well no, but are you one to refute the claim that war is bad?
>murder outside of your tribe is never wrong
right, so the fact that murder is illegal in every state on earth means what?
>human rights are just not feasible and don't exist in reality
true they don't inherently exist but they're good things to have, what arguments are there against them really? why are they not feasible?

>>6745352
please list some good wars

>> No.6745394

>>6745386
Utopias can't exist by definition. Judging actual states of affairs by standards that don't exist is absurd. You have no evidence that a world without war is possible.

>> No.6745397

>>6745383
I'm not American

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>>6745386
>basically everyone who has ever fought in one

>> No.6745403

Well, to be fair, ~4% more of the US population now has the right to marry. That's about 13 million people - a population greater than that of Belgium. I would say that's a fairly significant event in America, at least culturally-speaking. Why DON'T you think it's important, OP?

>> No.6745405

>gays start getting married
>buying into a failed institution
>#LoveFades
>infidelity because the gay community is promiscuous
>gays discover the wonders of divorce and all of its proceedings
>half of these new marriages fail

I feel bad, they don't know what they're getting into

>> No.6745406

>>6745397
Then your boycot is irrelevant.
>oh no some retard from europistan has stopped buying our products, better stop supporting the supreme court's decision

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>>6744214

>> No.6745420

>>6745386
>please list some good wars
What a dumb thing to say. Wars are always good for someone, otherwise they wouldn't be fought.

>> No.6745440

>>6745406
I know you might be ignorant of this mate, but many of those brands are international.

>> No.6745441

>>6745386
WW2, the American civil war, the english civil war,the russian Civil War, french revolutionary wars, chinese civil war, taiping rebellion

>> No.6745452

>>6745420
>>6745441
justifiable =/= good/not bad
There have been justifiable wars, such as WW2. Some nazis were doing some tremendously awful things and so people went to war to oppose them. That's fine, but the actual war itself was bad for those involved. War in and of itself is a bad thing, only the after effects for the winning combatants are 'good'.

>> No.6745455

As people said, they don't really care, it's good PR.

This is how the capitalism includes and excludes. To Coca-cola, it doesn't matter if you're gay or not, black, white, of whatever country or ideology, as long as you buy their drink, so this is how you're included. And behind this dissolution lies the rule of whoever has the money and this is how it excludes people.

What is really scary to think about is that none of these progressive changes are made by genuine concern at all. We don't live in a less dumb society than the one that the racists and sexists had 100 years ago. It is simply economically preferable. People's worldview is slower than political changes. That's why even though gay marriage is now okay, nothing changed in the past two days on the mind of the homophobic. The display of this political position, whether opportunist or sincere (if that's even a dichotomy), whether from companies or facebook friends, is a good buzz that makes people accept it by social pressure. In 30 years, people will think the debate to be absurd, but simply because they got accostumed to the idea, not because of revolutions inside their minds. The world is changing faster than its people. In this future, new prejudices will emerge (that is, they'll become aparet), because deep down, the mindset has not changed: a majority of the people is still essentialist, thinking in terms of what makes "a real man", "a real country", etc.

>> No.6745456

>>6745441
>taiping rebellion
I can kinda understand the others but why include this one as a good war?

>> No.6745459

>>6745386
The Spanish American War

>> No.6745462

>>6745452
>only the after effects for the winning combatants are 'good'

So WW2 would have been better if Nazis didn't suffer afterwards?

>> No.6745465

I like the rainbow (RED). Isn't that like a lung cancer np celebrating cigarettes being allowed to marry? Or something...

>> No.6745470

>>6745455
9/10 post

>> No.6745476

>>6745462
suffering is always bad, it can sometimes be justified, but that doesn't make it good

>> No.6745479

>>6745452
I didn't say justifiable. You're still arguing that war is bad from a standpoint that human rights exist as anything but a construct that has no intrinsic value.

>> No.6745487

My sister is gay and my step dad is a passive aggressive homophobe or just plain asshole. The constant second hand embarrassment and tension I feel around the house is enough to make me want to move to the other side of the world and be done with everything .

This is my blog.

>> No.6745492

>>6745479
ah okay, sorry I wasn't trying to say that human rights are some absolute thing that aren't a social construct and therefore war is bad because it violates them. I was more trying to say that war is bad because it causes a lot of bad shit eg. death, mutilation, injury, pain, homelessness, unemployment, destruction etc.

>> No.6745493

>>6745455
well they could genuinely care but its not like it matters because its not the reason they choose to do it. The last thing a company wants is to be excluded and not talked about so whenever an opportunity comes up they flaunt it.

when we talk about companys who are we even talking about? The people we imagine are in charge of the PR and those who approve of the ideas? There are bound to be many different opinions from them but overall they do what they think will bring a positive effect for the company

>> No.6745494

>>6745455
>What is really scary to think about is that none of these progressive changes are made by genuine concern at all.

This is false. You are exaggerating to make it seem as though "capitalist concerns" have become so universal that they the only thing that matters to people, an exaggeration typical of Marxists who want to make capitalism a larger spectre than it is.

The fact is that there have been people who have been REALLY concerned about this. Complete fanatics who would march through the streets demanding it.

> In 30 years, people will think the debate to be absurd, but simply because they got accostumed to the idea, not because of revolutions inside their minds.

But that's how fabian revolutions work. They are intergenerational. It's not a sudden thing that happens in one generation but a slow process so that one generation doesn't even recognize the next because its views are so alien. The "majority" of people won't be essentialist in the generation when they have madmen like you for their teachers. Already in schools there is compulsory cross-dressing for boys to teach them about gender fluidity.

>> No.6745507

>>6744259
Alabama bro?

>> No.6745524

>>6745494
>Already in schools there is compulsory cross-dressing for boys to teach them about gender fluidity.
Burn

>> No.6745525

People do not fight to dethrone evil dictators, but too avoid being conquered by them and to rule over others. Justifying war takes away from that fact onto a naive sense that you are right because you've won. It's good that we are not living under Hitler's boots, right? Well, if you were a blonde athlete from the alternative 21st century where Hitler won, you'd perfectly justify all the atrocities of WW2 coming from the nazis, afterall, it brought you where you are.

>> No.6745528

Atlantis was baptized in water, the New Atlantis will be baptized in fire.

>> No.6745530

>>6744167
Literally kill yourself.

>> No.6745550

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn4mVDtqi7g

>> No.6745558

>>6745494
>Already in schools there is compulsory cross-dressing for boys to teach them about gender fluidity.
jesus fucking christ really?

>> No.6745560

>>6744303
>yfw when nu-age liberals actually think like this
>yeah that's just dumb so I'm not going to respond
you're a fucking genius. Thanks for taking the time to post this reply on this chinese cartoon image board for books, letting all the other weaboos know that you have nothing to say in response, I mean what a swell fucking contribution
>yeah guys I just thought I'd mention that's so dumb I'/m not even going to respond

>> No.6745564

>>6745528
And just like we baptize our babies in water after Atlantis, we will mark them with burning iron after New Atlantis.

>> No.6745579

>>6745494
Why do rightists think fabians are scary? They're the biggest pussies in the world, the whole gradual revolution nonsense is just a way for them to excuse the fact they do nothing other than organise boring conferences.

>> No.6745582

>>6745558
Expect the state to take away your daughters virginity by age 12 to teach her that chastity and monogamy are spooks.

>> No.6745592

>>6745558
Yeah, they're also removing gullible from the dictionary!

>> No.6745601

>>6745592
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/06/17/italian-families-protest-forced-cross-dressing-of-schoolchildren/

>> No.6745608

>>6745224

To a non-religious person marriage seems to be absolutely meaningless. I suppose one could argue that it could be a symbolic representation of commitment between two (or more?) individuals, but this reduces the act of marriage to mere vanity. Civil partnerships occur (in my country) after living with a partner for 2 or more years which means to the state you are effectively "married". This further degenerates any meaning marriage had because now you also have financial obligations to your partner regardless of martial status.

Ironically, now that the meaning of marriage has been lost among heterosexual couples homosexuals will get married because it's a right they fought for so it has some sort of meaning to them now.

I've always thought marriage was pointless, and wondered why gay couples even cared about getting married. To me it seems to be merely a way of forcing society at large to accept them. In my mind the laws of the land play a large role in dictating culture, now that the laws are changed the culture will change to be more accepting of gay couples.

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>>6745601
>breitbart

>> No.6745627

I really have no problem with gay people, but excessively feminine males are always irksome, just like excessively masculine females.

>> No.6745635

>buzzfeed
You put no effort into trying to make this /lit/ related at all.

>> No.6745649

people love latching onto boring feel-good stuff. it's that simple.

>> No.6745658

>>6745558
One primary school in Italy introduced a card game where one card said "what do you think would happen if you dressed like a girl?" (and vice versa to girls).
One dad lost his shit and talked to Radio Vaticana (which tagged it as "stop gender", wat).
Breitbard practically posted the Google Translate version of the interview, without bothering to check anything, making it into "KIDS ARE FORCED TO CROSSDRESS".

American conservatives are retarded.

>> No.6745698

>>6744207
>euthanasia of defective people may very well follow.
Oh no, whatever will we do without all those cripples who do nothing but drain money, resources and emotional energy?
It is truly the end of times.

>> No.6745711

>>6745698
wake up weaboo, you're the defective one, the ones that aren't defective are out there right now fucking working and making money or getting trained to make money, you are worthless, and only spend your time looking at Chinese cartoons on an internet board filled with weaboos and autists.

>> No.6745716

>>6744191
they've done their market research. what this shows you is that most of the population of America today is neo-lib and that the reactionary movement is just dying, albeit loudly

>> No.6745742

>>6745277
>>6745349

>war is objectivley bad

Child detected

>> No.6745749

>>6744178
Maybe because the U.S. of A is actually important, unlike your glorified principalities.

>> No.6745751

>>6744199
>also speaking negatively about it in any way is social suicide so most people just go with the flow

this, tbh

why is everyone so indoctrinated by social media and pop culture?

YOUR RIGHTS END WHERE MY FEELINGS BEGIN

>> No.6745752

>>6745742
what's good about war?

>> No.6745754

>>6745658
Kids are forced to cross dress in Sweden

Yuropeans are feminized cucks

The white ones at least, this is why I'm not even mad about the rising Muslim population there. I hope they put some backbone into you pussies.

>> No.6745763

>>6745752
I don't know what would seem good to you, but there are good aspects for people that have caused them to wage war for millennia

Why don't you, you know, read some philosophy/books on the subject. As they usually say here, start with the Greeks.

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Liberal kids are aggressive as fuck. Like, why do you want to voice your opinion so badly? If you're trying to come off as intelligent and informed, you're simply not; you're coming off as an idiot that spams Facebook.

>> No.6745769

There aren't really any major groups left that lack some aspect of freedom so people go apeshit if something that they think history books will call progressive happens in their lifetime.

>> No.6745775

>>6745763
but nothing about the actual war is good, the consequences maybe but not the war itself

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>>6745293
>>6745742
>>6745763
>>6745370
>muh glorious struggle
How decadent, killing millions to satisfy an abstract philosophical urge. I bet you all read Evola.

>> No.6745788

>>6745780
Strawman argument and blaming everyone else of reading a meme author because they disagree with you.

I bet you don't even read.