ITT: people who read a lot throughout life but maintained a very simple, rude, unsophisticated worldview

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Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 19:33:07 No.6742693 [DELETED]

ITT: people who read a lot throughout life but maintained a very simple, rude, unsophisticated worldview

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 19:34:35 No.6742700 File: 40 KB, 620x350, benito-mussolini.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Apparently he was a prolific reader. Same with Stalin.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 19:36:52 No.6742707 how did he have a "simple, rude, unsophisticated worldview"?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 19:40:06 No.6742716 >>6742693 nice b8, m8

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 19:40:43 No.6742719 >>6742707 He was an atheist.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 19:41:47 No.6742723 >>6742707 read his work and it's abundantly clear

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 19:43:59 No.6742733 File: 945 KB, 2400x2267, 1426265394582.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6742719

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 19:44:54 No.6742736 >>6742707 HOW DARE YOU

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 19:46:19 No.6742742 File: 59 KB, 640x640, 1402650798774.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6742707 >We have the moral responsibility to bomb people who violently enforce their ideology t. Chris Hitchens

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 19:47:31 No.6742745 >>6742723 Assume he already did and still wants to hear an explanation for the statement.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 19:49:10 No.6742752 >>6742745 >>6742742

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 19:49:47 No.6742756 File: 177 KB, 292x250, 1366142960685.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6742719

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 19:50:02 No.6742759 >>6742752 In short, it's fucking nothing. Good thread.

Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 19:55:19 No.6742774

>>6742745
His foreign policy, his critique of any form of Christianity besides evangelical and it's theology, many of his own created logical arguments (Hitchens' Razor), his theological critiques of any religion, and his critiques of authors like Chesterton and such.

Just some examples.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 19:55:59 No.6742778 >>6742759 If you can't see the hypocrisy of claiming a moral right to use violence against those who use violence then you're a dullard. Fedora issues aside, Hitchens' stance on Iraq severely tarnished his legacy.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 22:05:00 No.6743121 How many books do you think he read over his entire lifetime?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 22:10:43 No.6743142 >>6743121 more than you'd read in 10

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 22:11:27 No.6743145 >>6742700 I have a feeling he didn't actually believe half the shit he spouted, he just enjoyed being dictator of Italy.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 22:14:07 No.6743154 >>6742693 >implying hitchens read a lot

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 22:15:33 No.6743161 >>6743142 How many pages could he read in an hour? I doubt it

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 22:15:42 No.6743163 >>6742700 But Mussolini doesn't really fit the character of the OP.

Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 22:16:54 No.6743166

>>6743145
Of *course* he didn't. It's like Trotsky said: when it comes to understanding history and society, being a marxist is like being a doctor, who possesses the means to either heal the patient or find the easiest, most lethal way of killing him.

Mussolini remained a marxist until the end of a life, just a marxist who decided to put his knowledge to the service of those already in power. And Jesus Christ, who can blame him.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 22:17:43 No.6743171 Literally any living intellectual popular enough for the average person to know them

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 22:19:15 No.6743179 >>6743166 Are you really this brainwashed?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 22:52:13 No.6743272 >>6743179 >brainwashed A term, incidently, that only who qualify as one tend to use.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 22:53:45 No.6743277 >>6743179 >brainwashed A term, incidently, that only people who qualify as one tend to use.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 23:06:41 No.6743302 >>6742693 I don't know much about Christopher Hitchens views, except his atheism, but you sound like a bigot. I'd rather you died than Hitchens.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 23:07:05 No.6743304 >>6742693 My dad

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 23:15:36 No.6743325 File: 1.04 MB, 1455x1392, 1434545610309.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6743304

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 23:16:15 No.6743326 >>6742778 >self defense is immoral and categorically the same as initiating force oh boy is it time already

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 23:20:43 No.6743342 >>6743326 Yes it is. Problem, sir cuck?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 23:23:27 No.6743352 >>6743121 Honestly, at least 5,000. The man read incessantly. /lit/ doesn't like him because everyone is converted to Cuckstianity, but the man was really widely read.

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 23:25:32 No.6743358 >>6743342 Were you born a dumbass, or did you lobotomize yourself?

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 23:29:22 No.6743363 >>6743325 kek

>>	Anonymous Fri, Jun 26, 2015 23:40:08 No.6743403 >>6743326 Are you suggesting that invading Iraq was an act of "self-defense?" Hitchens argument was that the West was entitled to invade Iraq because radical Islam violently enforces its ideology which is what that post is referring to.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 00:04:50 No.6743471 File: 48 KB, 499x499, Joyce.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6743304 >mfw seeing my dad read Ulysses in between his second cheeseburger from Wendy's, then watching The Big Bang Theory when he was done

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 00:38:00 No.6743603 >>6742700 Stalin had a more sophisticated worldview than most people today.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 01:51:25 No.6743751
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>>6742707
>how did he have a "simple, rude, unsophisticated worldview"?
>>6742723
>read his work and it's abundantly clear
I have read most of pic related and about 50 separate articles and essays from him, and still have no idea how he had "a "simple, rude, unsophisticated worldview"

As you appear to be someone else who has read his work, could you critique 'inequalities in Zimbabwe' or 'Cyprus: Hostage to history' or 'The Parthenon Marbles' or his books on Jefferson or Thomas Paine to support your stance?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 01:54:59 No.6743757 File: 605 KB, 873x701, 1362166244995.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] When you see it you will shit bricks. I guess we know what gave him cancer now.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 01:57:48 No.6743760 >>6743751 Most people know him for "God is not Great", which is an incredibly rude and unsophisticated book( with no citations at that).He gets almost everything wrong and can hardly piece together a coherent argument in it.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 02:01:09 No.6743774 >>6743403 They are though.

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Sat, Jun 27, 2015 02:02:22 No.6743775 File: 565 KB, 963x942, Stoop kid.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6743757 Heh.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 02:02:44 No.6743776
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>>6743304
>>6743471
Pleb family stories? Pleb family stories.
>tfw Dad has PhD in a STEM field.
>tfw he knows fucking everything off the top of his head, and if he didn't know it can look it up in his own library in a heartbeat.
>Actually made my sister and I start with the Greeks.
>teachers and friends' moms all blatantly lust after him and ask if he's with the military or "something else"
>he doesn't have a military haircut at all, so they must think he's in intelligence or special warfare
>tfw he's also a natural athlete and skilled outdoorsman
>mfw he sits down to watch an hour of Big Bang Theory, laughing to the point of tears throughout

I-is Big Bang Theory actually patrician and I'm just missing it?

Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 02:12:19 No.6743794

>>6743760
You are shifting the goalposts. Your initial stance was that he maintained a very simple, rude, unsophisticated worldview. When challenged, you retreated to "Well, one of his books is rude and unsophisticated."

I'm not interested in the fedora meme, or "atheism vs Christianity." I was hoping you could support your argument and actually discuss some of his work without the inevitable 'christposting/tipping' that you appear to want. He was a prolific writer too so there is plenty to choose from.

>with no citations at that
>He gets almost everything wrong and can hardly piece together a coherent argument in it.
Much like your posting.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 02:14:41 No.6743800 >>6743776 >dad is getting a PhD >he is in a good political position too >mum is an actress (in plays not in movies) and enjoys patrician movies >they all enjoy the Big Bang Theory and laugh at BAZINGA jokes Top lel. Who knows nigga

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 02:15:12 No.6743802 >>6742774 so basically you don't like him because he criticizes your faith.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 02:16:02 No.6743805 >>6743776 i think that's just the generation that grew up with television, so the laughs are nostalgic

Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 02:18:12 No.6743810

>>6743403
Hitchens made his argument pre-Iraq, and said he supported an invasion or assassination because Saddam Hussein was a genocidal dictator and the people of Iraq would be better off liberated.

You can't look at the mess America made from the perch of 2015 and say "that was what Hitchens wanted."

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 02:35:04 No.6743836 >>6743471 Hahaha how the fuck..

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>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 03:16:11 No.6743920 >>6743757 I wonder if he finished it before he died

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 03:17:44 No.6743924 >>6743794 BTFO T F O

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 03:20:34 No.6743926 Someone post the copypasta where anon ruins hitchens in 3 points I used to have it

Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 03:26:20 No.6743937

>>6743810
Hitchens supported the Iraq War when he was trying to get U.S. citizenship, which would protect him from U.K. libel laws. He also had a wife and kids here.

In his career he had pissed off a lot of powerful people who were at that time in charge of the State Department, and could deny him citizenship with a whisper.

Supporting the war publicly in a big way gave them reason to not interfere with his petition. He was allowing himself to be a poltical mouthpiece to stay with his family and cover his own ass.

His motives were obvious. No one seemed to get it. Any of the people he debated could have devastated him by pointing this out argument.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 03:30:12 No.6743946
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>>6743751
And that pic is about half of his books anyways.
Anyone who says he didn't read incomprehensibly much is mistaken. He was a boarding-school boy in Old England, which means he didn't have much else to do than read and have gay sex.
Also, he grew up (and got old) before the Internet was great, so he, unlike us, had a sane concept of reading.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 05:07:13 No.6744095

>>6743937
>Hitchens supported the Iraq War when he was trying to get U.S. citizenship, which would protect him from U.K. libel laws.
You're saying he supported the war just to get away from libel laws.
>He also had a wife and kids here.
Here meaning the US? I didn't know that. I know he married a Cypriot and had two children with her in Cyprus; they both had duel UK/Cypriot citizenship. His son is some kind of writer/journalist now too.

>He was allowing himself to be a poltical mouthpiece to stay with his family and cover his own ass.
I think there is more to it than that. If you read his early work on Zimbabwe and hatred of Mugabe, you can see he had a similar position there. He genuinely hated genocidal tyrants. He first voiced his stance on the Iraq war after the evidence for chemical weapons was revealed. He knew about the mass genocide of the kurds, and even visited war-torn Iraq himself to see the mass graves and devastation of Chemical warfare for first hand knowledge. I really don't think that when he was standing there, looking down at thousands of disfigured corpses, the rural villages raised to the ground, the thousands of raped women with hands cut off, chemically burned children, the horror inflicted under Saddam's brutal regime, he was thinking "gee, I hate those pesky UK libel laws, so for that reason alone I'll speak out against these atrocities."

>Any of the people he debated could have devastated him by pointing this out argument.
No. To say someones premise is wrong because they have a bias or ulterior motive is a fallacious stance and doesn't defeat the premise.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 05:13:07 No.6744105 >>6743166 It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh... you know what I'm trying to say...

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 05:20:07 No.6744114 >>6744095 >His son is some kind of writer/journalist now too. This is his son: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igMmgbKS2Ho

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 05:23:59 No.6744119 >>6744105 It's like what Stalin said... >>>/gulag/

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 05:32:53 No.6744137 >>6744114 what a stuttering beta

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 05:59:32 No.6744189 >>6744114 I bet Peter Hitchens' children would slap this joker in a debate

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 06:07:28 No.6744200 >>6744189 Didn't know Peter had kids.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 06:10:59 No.6744202
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>>6744114
The problem is he's half Greek. Even with an eloquent wordsmith like Christopher for a father, he was doomed from the start. You can see the Greek tard in his eyes when he was a baby.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 06:24:08 No.6744221 >>6743810 >and the people of Iraq would be better off liberated. And history has proven him very much wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 06:28:15 No.6744230 >>6744221 you can easily make the case that had rumsfeld and friends not been retarded about securing the country and worked with the mid-level authorities that existed it would have been just fine

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 06:30:34 No.6744231 >>6744114 it takes a while to be properly telegenic, he's still too young

Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 08:31:25 No.6744484

>>6744221
>>and the people of Iraq would be better off liberated.
>And history has proven him very much wrong.

History has proven that America shouldn't be in charge of liberating countries, not that a particular country under a dictatorship would be better off left alone.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 08:36:10 No.6744495 >>6744202 So it's right from the start with the Greeks?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 08:37:12 No.6744502 >>6744230 It still wouldn't have been a legal war, capitalist shill

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 08:39:35 No.6744512 >>6744502 >"legal" war

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 08:41:03 No.6744520 >>6744512 >Implying constitutional limits on what is and isn't legal within the process of declaring war are irrelevant to the legality of a war from the perspective of the law Read a book

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 08:46:22 No.6744542 >>6744520 >implying anyone cares about the law, it's a fucking war >implying america has declared any of its wars

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 08:47:52 No.6744546 File: 48 KB, 216x176, ATY_large.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6743946 >mfw i have those same vertical bookcases as Hitchens

Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 08:49:24 No.6744551
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>>6744542
>implying anyone cares about the law, it's a fucking war
Not before it's been declared, it isn't. You seem to be missing my point entirely.
>implying america has declared any of its wars
No wars we've fought since we pulled out of Korea have been legal by any meaningful standard even by our own laws, but we fought WWII quite legally, and WWI, too. The Gulf of Tonkin resolution was predicated upon a CIA hoax that took American lives.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 08:49:31 No.6744552 >>6744520 >from the perspective of law >perspective of law >law >perspective >from the Why you giving credence to inanimate construct? Stop propagating the autocracy, capitalist shill.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 08:51:31 No.6744560 >>6744552 >Muh revolution Nah, rational legal authority is a good thing. You're too Utopian. My claim is that if the law, domestic or international, had been followed the war would never have been declared.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 09:13:54 No.6744652 >>6743776 Big Bang Theory is Dadcore. Father's can't help but like it.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 09:17:01 No.6744662 >>6744652 > Father's pls no bully

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 09:18:47 No.6744667 >>6744652 this I can confirm this and I'm not even American

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 09:20:44 No.6744677 >>6744652 This is true, my dad inexplicably loves it.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 09:30:22 No.6744697 >>6744652 My dad fucking hates it. he thinks it's garbage. If he catches my mother and sister watching it he lets out a bellowing insincere guffaw whenever the laughtrack pops up.

Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 09:35:10 No.6744716

>>6742778

Hitchen's case was that you should have deposed Saddam in the Gulf War the first time and he said so back in the day. Deposing him in '03 was the next best thing. In principle, he makes the case that interfering in state sovereignty is permissible in case of genocide and proliferation of WMD.

For him and others discussing a similar case (allied bombing in WWII) watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3doYSqBWhZI

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 09:37:43 No.6744722 >>6744697 your dad sounds like an idiot

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 09:39:32 No.6744725 >>6744667 >>6744677 >>6744697 Season one was funny. <All thise t resembling numbers.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 09:40:26 No.6744727 >>6743757 >yfw Hitch died by samizdat

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 09:41:02 No.6744729 File: 46 KB, 620x412, 2KHDNT-david-foster-wallace-was-right-JXOd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6742693 He was an hero tho'.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 09:58:22 No.6744786 >>6743757 Fucking Hell. I didn't expect him to have read that.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 10:00:13 No.6744795 >>6744727 this can be fatal? i will stop my pamphlet asap. i want to live.

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>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 11:14:34 No.6745057 >>6745028 >>feminist/sjw detected

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 11:35:28 No.6745126 >>6743757 I read a (really hard to find) article online once about how, in the early-er days of the internet, Hitchy sent a nasty email to some dbag who wrote a dumb shitposty review of IJ and posted it on his website.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 11:35:52 No.6745129 >>6743920 doesn't look that weathered and I doubt he would have picked it as one of his final books to read. Or he might not be that rough on books and read a different edition before that one.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 11:42:46 No.6745152 >>6745028 I don't think he read as much as he just shitposted on a typewriter.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 11:46:52 No.6745168 >>6743776 whats inherently wrong with liking simplistic entertainment?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 11:46:53 No.6745169 >>6745126 This one? http://misterbulger.com/2011/12/19/christopher-hitchens-an-asshole-in-memoriam/

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 11:47:48 No.6745175 >>6745028 He also wasn't even an alcoholic given that he died at 73 to something unrelated to alcohol abuse.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 11:49:12 No.6745183 >>6744546 I have something in common with Hegel, we both were alive at one point.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 11:49:35 No.6745187 >>6743794 Love to see a shitposter get fucking rekt

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 11:51:30 No.6745202 File: 101 KB, 300x374, Dostoevsky_main.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Y u mad tho?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 11:52:24 No.6745205 Orwell, Mishima and dfw

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 11:53:18 No.6745209 >>6745169 >publish a shitty review of a book you haven't even read >get called out on it >be so butthurt about it that you talk shit about the reviewer when he dies 20 years later wow, that guy sounds like a complete and utter turd

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 11:54:19 No.6745212 >>6745183 >were alive at one point spooks spooks on the internet

>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 11:57:31 No.6745232 >>6745169 Why do old people take the internet so seriously?

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>>	Anonymous Sat, Jun 27, 2015 13:43:00 No.6745693 >>6744221 They would have been better off liberated If they were white. He was optimistic and had too high an opinion of people thanks to his own success.

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