/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6734937]

should there be a board dedicated to religion instead of sharing one with /lit/?

[Anonymous No.6734944]

Probably yes. There's excessive Christposting not only in /lit/, nowadays. But the admins probably know the religious thing is just a fad and such a board would go empty when the next fad comes.

[Anonymous No.6734952]

Off-topic, sorry, but, OP's pic made me laugh. Things on the internet rarely make me laugh.

[Anonymous No.6734961]

Yes, too much christianity here.

[Anonymous No.6734974]

in b4 fedora but...

i don't get the christianity fad, especially on here. these seem like people who are educated enough to know better. are they faking for trolling's sake? are they suffering from some sort of depression? is it just one person? do they actually believe what's in the bible, or is the mental image of jesus simply their emotional security-blanket?

[Anonymous No.6734979]

Christians exist, friends. No need to get posterior pains, just ignore their thread and or posts.

[Anonymous No.6735004]

>>6734979
Of course Christians exist, only they're usually far from this Bahamian birdwatching Sanhedrin.

[Thomas No.6735008]

>>6734974
There has been some very educated apologetics concerning the Gospels.

[Anonymous No.6735037]

>>6735008
>starting with a conclusion
>very educated

[Anonymous No.6735041]

>>6734974

Passive aggressive questions like this are boring and prove nothing. Explain why you think Christianity is stupid if you think it is and then have your ideas examined, or be ignored.

[Anonymous No.6735042]

>>6734937
The pic is funny, but I still feel obliged to mention that the protestants at least have Kierkegaard.

[Thomas No.6735044]

>>6735037
You're starting with the conclusion that the Gospels are bullshit, are you not?

[Anonymous No.6735239]

>>6735042
Kierkegaard was against protestants (hewas against church really but still)

[Anonymous No.6735263]

>>6734974
>are they faking for trolling's sake?
mostly, but there are enough genuine american manchildren permanently lurking the board to keep it running beyond that

[Anonymous No.6735291]

>>6734944
>excessive Christposting

excessive? I think we could use a bit more sir.

[Anonymous No.6735296]

>>6735239
>Kierkegaard was against protestants

he was more protestant than the protestants.

[Anonymous No.6735297]

>>6735291
I think all Jews should be exterminated.

[Anonymous No.6735304]

>>6735297
Jewposting > Christposting

[Anonymous No.6735314]

>>6735044
the burden of proof doesn't lay on me though

[Anonymous No.6735325]

>>6734974
>these seem like people who are educated enough to know better
You're a typical thickheaded atheist. Religion is about believing in something despite proof otherwise. That's why its called faith.
>is the mental image of jesus simply their emotional security-blanket?
What is so wrong about that?

[Anonymous No.6735373]

>>6734974

christianity comes equipped with all the morals/values necessary for non-degenerate life.
It has a huge history of art and literature grounded in the European tradition.

It's spiritually rich and theologically coherent. It may very well be true...what's there not to like?

[Anonymous No.6735374]

>>6735004
>this Bahamian birdwatching Sanhedrin.
This is really getting out of hand.

[Anonymous No.6735380]

>>6735304


disgusting.

[Anonymous No.6735398]

>>6735373
>christianity comes equipped with all the morals/values necessary for non-degenerate life.
So does simply not being degenerate.
>It has a huge history of art and literature grounded in the European tradition.
True. Respect given for that.
>It's spiritually rich and theologically coherent.
Now you're just pulling our legs.

[Anonymous No.6735399]

>>6735380
How's polytheism working for you?

[Anonymous No.6735418]

>>6734944
>>6734974
>>6735004
>implying the christ-posting isn't genuine

[Anonymous No.6735430]

>>6735398
>So does simply not being degenerate.

If you have a pure will that is fine, but most people have a twisted will mixed with darkness and light. Christianity offers parameters and ways to remove the darkness.

[Anonymous No.6735439]

>>6735325
But anon was precisely implying [that to him they seem like people who are educated enough to know better than] to believe in something despite proof otherwise, ie starting from the position that the concept of faith is inherently childish and promotes ignorance. Their not popping out the word doesn't indicate that they aren't familiar with it

[Anonymous No.6735466]

>>6735439

Once you are sufficiently educated you can simply believe what you will, as an expression of your supreme autonomy.

And if the result is an increase in individual and social well-being, that's just an added bonus.

[Anonymous No.6735668]

>>6734937
>tfw agnostic
>like both of these books

[Anonymous No.6735674]

>>6734974
>christianity fad
I am not religious, I don't really know what to think, but these types of comments are silly. How do you know the secrets of the world? Religion has been a huge part of history and culture. Why do some people believe that it is so bad to believe in something?

[Anonymous No.6735710]

>>6735296
its true since he protested against protestans

[The cats No.6736469]

>>6735674
>I am not religious
So stop being a mental cuck
>I don't really know what to think
Does not mean "there is a 50% abrahmic religions are correct
>but these types of comments are silly.
Your mindless defense of people who fantacize about your being eternally tortured is silly
>How do you know the secrets of the world?
U CANNOT NO NUFFINZ
>Religion has been a huge part of history and culture.
So has [horrible thing]
>Why do some people believe that it is so bad to believe in something?
Why do some people feel the need to defend delusional roleplayers?

[Anonymous No.6736473]

>>6735291
>I think we could use a bit more sir.

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6736712]

>>6735296
In the sense that William Blake was, so not really.

[Anonymous No.6736737]

>>6734937
But sharing the board is the only way we discuss books like Left Behind and Battlefield Earth.

[Anonymous No.6736746]

>>6735314
of course it does, you dumb or what?

[Anonymous No.6736767]

>>6735042
>>6735239
The Protestants actually have the best books. Divine Comedy is an overrated piece of garbage. The highest of the highest came from protestant thinkers: Hegel, Kant, Fichte, the pinnacle of German philosophy, all protestant thinkers. In the theological field you have Karl Barth and Bonhoffer.

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6736779]

>>6736767
Fichte was an atheist. Hegel was too, really, at least toward the Christian God.

[Anonymous No.6736781]

>>6734944
>>6734961

at this point complaining about christposting is more of a meme than christposting.


I want the militant fedoras to go so the atheists and christfags can live in peace.

[Anonymous No.6736807]

>>6736779
Hegel is a Christian, but not an orthodox one by the Nicene Creed. He denies the precedence of the Father, from whom the Son and the Spirit proceed. He denies that lordship is the meaning of divinity, so that Christ manifests divinity only as the risen Lord. The true definition of divinity is Spirit. But Hegel is not an ancient Gnostic like Marcion or Valentinus. He does not denigrate the body as the kingdom of the devil. He affirms the incarnation and construes natures as the logos made flesh, as spirit, i.e., the infinite Christ. He is a modern, Joachimite Gnostic: world history is the story of the logos making itself flesh in the rational state and human rights... [Hegelian philosophy] is still Christian even if not orthodox. To be a heretic one must after all first be a Christian

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6736825]

>>6736807
Yeah, it's Christian in the sense Bishop Spong and Paul Tillich are. But if Protestant, "orthodox" Christians want to claim these guys are representative of Protestantism's depth, it reflects very poorly on Protestantism, as least from an orthodox point of view.

[Anonymous No.6736843]

>>6736825
What about Karl Barth?

[Anonymous No.6736863]

>>6736781
As a newfag to the board, I'm actually surprised how calm and intelligent (relatively speaking) the fedorafights here are compared to how they were on old /x/. Sort of eerie tbh

[Anonymous No.6736886]

>>6736779
Please, just please.

[Anonymous No.6736899]

>>6736781
>I want the militant fedoras to go so the atheists and christfags can live in peace

christfags call others heretic when pagan/gnostic/occult threads pop up. Both groups are annoying as fuck

[Anonymous No.6736905]

>>6736767

>The Protestants actually have the best books. Divine Comedy is an overrated piece of garbage


Which you never read.

[Anonymous No.6736920]

>>6734937
yes lets get rid of all these useless theologians
they literally belong in the dark age

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6736922]

>>6736843
Haven't read him, and he seems very interesting, but I don't imagine he's greatly superior to thinkers like Lorenz Puntel or John Milbank, though he was far more prolific.

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6736932]

>>6736905
He might have read a shit translation.

[Anonymous No.6736999]

>>6734937
just go to /christian/ on that other chan

[Anonymous No.6737013]

I kept on hounding moot to make a religion or philosophy board but the faggot never did it.
A history board might be cool too.

[Anonymous No.6737033]

>>6737013
/pol/ would take it within a matter of days

[Anonymous No.6737051]

>>6737033
>like thats supposed to be a bad thing

reddddit plz go

[Anonymous No.6738782]

>>6736899
yea, except that in the case of christ posters, despite being genuine about their faith, much of the shit-posting and trolling is clearly ironic. they're are happy enough having a board were they don't have to be hounded for holding on to religious belief and humour is a way of asserting that.
For example
>Christfags call others heretic
I assume that the majority of that is taking the piss.

whenever a militant atheist begins shitting up a thread however it's quite clear that they're actually convinced of the superiority of their own ideas.

The fundamental difference as I see it is that christposting (even the trolling) is done in good faith, whereas the atheists are actually being fedoras about it.
Hence the accusations of autism.

Most christians are aware of the limitations of their beliefs but are happy to hold on to them as an act of faith and allow God to slowly reveal himself to them.

nice gets in this thread btw
>>6734944
>>6735044
>>6735399
>>6735466
>>6736767
>>6736899
>>6736922
>>6736999
>>6737033

[Anonymous No.6738790]

Dear christfags,
Congratulations, you got a reaction from atheists. That's what you wanted, right? Well, I've decided I don't like people like you. You've messed with the community of the wrong psychopath. Before you get excited, you haven't even made me angry. I am a hard person to make angry. However, I despise people like you.
Your pitiful logic skills are hilarious. Deconstructing ad hominem and straw men are level 1. Can you construct an argument that reduces your teacher to tears? Can you tear through assertions like they’re the flimsy pages of your precious bible? Your silly little sky fairy won't protect you. I've converted many christfags and outwitted the kikes on numerous occasions . I've scared preachers with only my steely gaze. I have been enlightening morons since I had a computer. It's what I was raised to do.
You have no idea to the extent of fear which you should be feeling. All you are is just a community of internet creeps. Have you ever murdered anyone? I have no empathy and I will probably feel joy peeling your skin off your face.
You think I'm giving you an empty threat? Believe that. I have contacts in dark places that you don't want to know about. If you live even close to me you better fear for your life.
Track my IP if you want to, but I am smart enough to use a library computer. Hack into my account if you want, but it'll just make it easier for me to track you.
With love,
A psychopath
P.S. I would fear for your faith while you still have it.

[Anonymous No.6738795]

>>6737051
fuck off /pol/ you faggots have become a meme at this point.

[Anonymous No.6738799]

>>6737051
fuck off back to /pol/

[Anonymous No.6738820]

>>6738782

This, a thousand times this. It's incredible that I can come here to discuss my lit related stuff honestly, since christfaggotry is part of it for me. If people are really tired of the ironic witch burning I will cut it out, I didn't realize it actually bothered anybody.

[Anonymous No.6738830]

>>6736922
>Greatest Protestant theologian of the 20th century
>Not greatly superior to Memebank

Ayyy

[Anonymous No.6738837]

>>6738820
I think Christianity is a part of philosophy and as long as we discuss philosophy Christianity will be a part of this board. I like it as it adds another perspective.

[Anonymous No.6739008]

Whats a good book on the bible regarding the history and ideas behind it?

[Anonymous No.6739015]

>>6739008
Jewish Study Bible for OT
OAB
OSB

[Anonymous No.6739051]

>>6734937
There should be a separate philosophy board too.

[Anonymous No.6739063]

>>6738837
ah yes, the perspective of 'do what we say violent, numerous men agree with us'

[Anonymous No.6739111]

I think that it's just that us Christians would normally make a point of our religion on the internet, but seeing people's ridiculous reactions is just so funny that we can no longer resist

Besides, for anything to survive in the modern era it must become a meme

[Anonymous No.6739125]

>>6739111
memes have expiration dates

though i suppose religions do as well, just further out. packed with more preservatives.

[Anonymous No.6739131]

>>6739111
I like to make a point of my Judaism to uncover /pol/tards.

[Anonymous No.6739139]

>>6735263
evidence for this claim?

[Thomas No.6739140]

>>6739125
Christianity is an extremely sophisticated meme with an unlimited supply of submemes. If Stirner can remain a meme here for as long as he has, Christianity isn't going anywhere. In fact, Christianity is perhaps the only meme that can serve as a true counterpart to Stirner's catchy simplicity.

[Anonymous No.6739148]

>>6738782
lel so fucking true.

I've never read the bible or anything but I find christfags a lot more tolerable than fedoras. Christfags engage in some friendly banter from time to time but as you put it the fedoras just go on and on about their superiority with heavy influences of obvious autism while the christfags just chuckles and continues in good spirit with their lighthearted trolling

which is why I support these christians and I rather enjoy their threads while i absolutely despise 97% of all atheist threads.

[Anonymous No.6739157]

>>6736473
flipping the meme is not going to work when atheists continue to act like pic related.

[Anonymous No.6739158]

>>6738782
I came into this thread because i saw this post, and i'd just like to say: i myself, as an athiest, will sometimes call others a heretic when they are going too fedora, just for the hell of it.

Feels good.

keep doing you christ posters. God bless.

[Anonymous No.6739164]

>>6738782
I've seen enough christposters spam platitudes and degenerate others to know this isn't always the case. Not so much on /lit/ but any board they can get away with it they do. Particularly I've noticed Christposters resort to memes whenever someone brings up a valid point, the argument bring ignored and responded to with "light hearted banter" ignites the more argumentative atheists to do as you say because the Christposters are acting as if they can shitpost to ignore genuine conversation, creating a secret club effect.
>inb4 no true scotsman

[Anonymous No.6739180]

>>6739164
>Not so much on /lit/ but any board they can get away with it they do
i thought christianity was only on /lit/ and on /pol/.

[Anonymous No.6739184]

>>6739063

[Anonymous No.6739185]

>>6739180
I've seen it on /x/ and /int/, practically anywhere a political argument can be started if the conversation trends towards conservatism it's possible to find a reactionary or Christposter shitting it up.

[Anonymous No.6739193]

>>6739185
>going to /x/ and /pol/
disgusting

[Anonymous No.6739194]

i think /lit/ should be the general liberal arts board

i wish that included politics like it used to, cause /pol/ is just a (bad) joke

[Anonymous No.6739199]

>>6739148
>the christfags just chuckles and continues in good spirit with their lighthearted trolling

Christfag detected.

[Anonymous No.6739212]

>>6739180
4chan is a christian website, friend.

[Anonymous No.6739237]

>>6739193
>not browsing a wide variety of boards and picking out the good threads from each
Checking the catalog it seems to have died down from /x/ but there used to be an incessant amount of religious trolling. Probably the work of a few dedicated people but regardless pic related.

[Anonymous No.6739260]

>>6739237
>>not browsing a wide variety of boards and picking out the good threads from each
>/pol/ and /x/
>good

[Anonymous No.6739266]

>>6739237
Why is Voltaire in the picture?

[Anonymous No.6739273]

>>6739212
Christposter Hitchens detected.

[Anonymous No.6739283]

>>6734974
It's just a bunch of millennials rebelling against mainstream atheism.

[Anonymous No.6739295]

>>6739193
>believing in god
>following desert stories
>fearing the devil
>fearing hell

disgusting and anti-intellectual

[Anonymous No.6739302]

>>6739295
Why can't everyone be as enlightened as us?

[Anonymous No.6739316]

No; most of the /lit/ posters claiming to be 'into' religion do so out of a bourgeois inclination toward an intellectual field that sufficiently satisfies their isolationist contrarian leanings

[Anonymous No.6739324]

>>6739295
euphoric

[Anonymous No.6739334]

>>6739295

[Anonymous No.6739370]

>>6739237
Why wouldn't you talk about Christianity on /x/? It's chock full of /x/ related stuff: healings, apparitions, miracles, exorcisms, on and on. Christianity arguably belongs more on /x/ than on /lit/, although I think /x/ would do a shit job with the theology.

Or are you one of those /x/posters who think the board should only be creepypastas and conspiracy theories?

[Anonymous No.6739381]

>>6739370
Agreed

[Anonymous No.6739394]

>>6739370
>/x/ would do a shit job with the theology.

I can only imagine

[Anonymous No.6739399]

>>6734974
Why do all New Atheists insist on saying all theists believe the events in the Bible to be objective fact? You should be reading the Bible analogically and morally rather than literally. No one ever said these texts were physical science 2000 years ago

[Anonymous No.6739411]

>>6734974
See>>6739316

[Anonymous No.6739424]

>>6739051
We don't discuss literature nearly enough for the board to survive without philosophy threads

[Anonymous No.6739430]

>>6739131
Not nearly enough Hebrew brethren here tbh

[Anonymous No.6739927]

>>6738782
>it is genuine shitposting when they do it
>it is ironic Bantz in good faith when we do it

Even forgetting whether christfags are for realz(I personally doubt it tbh) Ironic shitposting is still shitposting

[Anonymous No.6739937]

No.
/lit/ should be renamed to
/lit/ - Literature and Philosophy

Also, islamic fad when. One of these days all those christposters will get tired and embrace islam.
Allahu Akbar.

[Anonymous No.6739956]

>>6739424
And a 4chan philosophy board without any literary discussion sounds terrible. It'd be like /pol but for philosophy, and would be worse than /pol for it. Perhaps the only thing worse than listening to idiots discuss politics is hearing them discuss philosophy. It's almost as bad as having a girl who just woke up tell you about the dream she's just had.

[Anonymous No.6739961]

>>6739937

the contrarian sophist faggot in me loves the idea of this and would maybe even go as far as to learn Arabic to embrace it

[Anonymous No.6739974]

>>6739937
>mfw reading European orientalist writing but I don't really feel like putting in the time to read the major actually "oriental" texts, eg. the Quran or Avicenna

[Anonymous No.6739975]

>>6739927
Hiding one's beliefs is the original and most natural state for the Christian. The die was cast with their experiences under Roman and Jewish persecution.

Let them be cowards they all are.

[Anonymous No.6739979]

>>6739961
kek. I'm already reading the Quran.
>>6739974
>orientalist writers
Nigga I hope you are reading the good ones, specially not 19th century orientalists since most of their books are obsolete.
Read Averroes, he's an arab who started with the greeks.

[Anonymous No.6739993]

>>6738782
Christiposters are less cynical than atheists ones. They're also more friendly and sympathetic.

[Anonymous No.6740007]

>>6739993
>friendly and sympathetic
>spamming fedora and heretic memes to shut down arguments
>posting bait threads irrevelant to literature
>constantly claiming 4chan to be their website
>friendly and sympathetic

CIDF shill confirmed

[Anonymous No.6740019]

>>6739937
>/lit/ will never get into dank Sufism

[Anonymous No.6740068]

>>6739937
>Islamic fad when.
something similar happened to the hardline straight edge subculture in the late 90's when several high profile band members began converting to islam. The whole affair ended badly when they all got tied up with the eco-terrorist movement.
I suppose you can only go so extreme in your contrarianism before it catches up with you.

Still, they made some pretty good music, if you're into that sort of stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lI_YSFjhgY

[Anonymous No.6740076]

>>6740068
wooops, posted the wrong link

nm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9fvJt-HOxk

this is what i was planning on posting but i doubt anyone cares anyway

[Anonymous No.6740162]

>>6736469
>Le funny buzzword

[Anonymous No.6740189]

>>6739979
>yeah orientalism is cool!
>here! read this sandnigger occidentalist!

[Anonymous No.6740200]

>>6739157

That is but a fraction of how incredibly retarded religious people act

Anyway, just for you

[Anonymous No.6740204]

>>6739937
>Islamic fad when

It's called ISIS

[Anonymous No.6740205]

>>6734937
I have a copy of Karamazov to read, aside from 1k pages of Russian drama what's it about?

[Anonymous No.6740213]

>>6739157
>flipping the meme is not going to work when atheists continue to act like pic related.
*not going to work when christwankers continue to act like pic related.

[Anonymous No.6740214]

>>6740213
A Christian is defined by affirmation of the Nicene Creed, friend.

[Anonymous No.6740215]

>>6740214
No True Scotsman fallacy

[Anonymous No.6740221]

I am interested in but generally new to theology. Can someone explain the Protestantism bashing? Is it just a meme?

[Anonymous No.6740229]

>>6740215
No, that's like saying if a Slav calls himself a Christian, and you say no you aren't, it's no true sctosman fallacy. The Nicene Creed was formulated specifically to include everything which defines a Christian.

[Anonymous No.6740234]

>>6740221
Well do you know what Apostolic succession is? Christ ordained at least twelves apostles (possible he ordained the seventy as well). Each apostle ordained people, and so on. That is where bishops come from, and that is what the legitimacy of the Church is based upon, each bishop traces back to Christ's apostles from a line ordination.

Protestants don't have that.

[Anonymous No.6740240]

>>6740229
>Slav calls himself a Scotsman
big slip there

[Anonymous No.6740243]

>>6740221
Do you know how Protestantism came to be?
To grossly oversimplify it, five hundred years ago, a bunch of Catholics were tired of the corruption of the Catholic Church and decided to split off and form their own churches.
So far, so good, right?
But the problem is, they didn't stop there. They just kept on splitting and splitting even further, founding new churches and interpreting the religion differently.

For all its faults, it was the Catholic Church that kept the "dogma" and coherency of Christianity in the West together. Since Protestants broke free from it, there was no "central authority" to them, so every crazed charismatic loony could start his own specific brand of Protestantism. That's why you have literally thousands of different Protestant denominations out there.

All of this led to the way Protestantism is today. In modern times, you have two main times of Protestants. Those loony American fundamentalists who believe Rapture is going to happen any day now and how Obama is the antichrist and all that fun stuff. And the other branch are the secular Protestants, mainline Americans and most of the European ones, who did not hold onto their identity and embraced progressivism and they're basically dead religions today, more concerned over whether their lesbian priests could marry each other than over retaining their flock and keeping their religion alive. Look at the rates of atheism in Europe - with some exceptions like Czech Republic, countries that are traditionally Protestant are far more irreligious than countries that are traditionally Catholic.

That's not because those people are inherently more "intelligent" so they realize religion is a sham or some other euphoric bullshit like that, but it's because the Protestant churches are simply incapable and unwilling to stand up for themselves. Hell, in some Protestant countries, you even have a lot of people converting to Catholicism because they feel their Protestant churches have lost their identity.

[Anonymous No.6740247]

>>6740214
>>6740229
You're being a little defensive, and it comes off as unsympathetic and unhappy.

[Anonymous No.6740252]

>>6740243
>the the Protestant churches are simply incapable and unwilling to stand up for themselves.
Well, the liberal ones as you pointed out. The fundamentalist ones will stand up for themselves with loud Christian rock.

[Anonymous No.6740257]

>>6740247
Well, we do have a history of engaging in apologetics, you know. Even without an atheists to engage, we like to write them for the heck of it.

[Anonymous No.6740261]

>>6740247
He's right. Nicene Creed is pretty much what defines Christianity, and calling it a No Scotsman fallacy is ridiculous.

If I call myself a Muslim, but I believe that Allah is just one of the gods and that all the gods from the Norse Pantheon are his equals and that once I die I will be reincarnated as another living being, I'm not a Muslim no matter how much I tried to argue otherwise, because I go against the basic tenets of Islam.

[Anonymous No.6740269]

>>6740213
>christwankers
I only see heretics.

[Anonymous No.6740281]

>>6740269
You meant heathen.

Be a little more ironic when you're on lit. It helps the persecution go down.

[Anonymous No.6740285]

>>6740281
Heathen is for nonbelievers, and I'm only here for a good time.

[Anonymous No.6740286]

>>6740281
The term "heretic" means someone who professes to be a Christian but isn't orthodox.. A heathen is just someone who doesn't identify as a Christian.

[Anonymous No.6740289]

>>6740243
This is because Christianity leads to secular liberal atheism through an inner necessity. I have no time to explain it here, but that's what it is, just look at Europe. And no, Catholicism will not rise again. I live in a Catholic country and it's clear that the numbers are decreasing. Only piss poor countries with no education have growing number of Catholics. In time, when they get more education and wealth, they, too, will become atheist.

You simply cannot have freedom of thought and Catholicism. You either think with your own head, or you believe that Vatican is the authoritiy in all things. If you believe the latter OK, but it's a bit hard to believe Catholic priests are something special considering how many boys they butt rape all the time...

Catholic Church is becoming more and more liberal the new pope even said :"who am I to judge gay people?" - in the past, the Catholics were opposed to evolution and then they embraced it. They were opposed to surgery even, and then they embraced it. They are just slower to change, but they too will change and become more and more liberal.

Christianity's true goal is completed when a country becomes a liberal atheist social democracy like Sweden.

[Anonymous No.6740298]

>>6740286
And a paynim, a term not so much used anymore, is an Abrahamic heathen, namely a Muslim or Jew.

[Anonymous No.6740314]

>>6739430
Who Old Testament here?

[Anonymous No.6740315]

>>6740289
The Church was never opposed to evolution or surgery.

[Anonymous No.6740332]

>>6740315
Then why haven't they evolved out of the dark ages?

[Anonymous No.6740334]

>>6740289
You're making a pretty major mistake with the assumption that irreligiosity is a one way street.
Through history, with both Christianity and other religions, there have been periods when religious influence waned, and periods when religious influence grew.

Look up the Great Awakenings in the American religious history as one relatively modern examples of it.

[Anonymous No.6740349]

>>6740332
Eh? Secularism as popularly proliferated has as much to do with religion being bothersome and getting in the way of business as anything else. Religious holidays soak up valuable Protestant work ethic time, after all, and in the Industrial Revolution workers tended to work seven days a week, it would be unseemly for Christianity to get in the way of that.

[Anonymous No.6740356]

>>6740349
You haven't answered the question.

[Anonymous No.6740360]

>>6740356
I don't know what your question is, exactly. What do you mean "out of the Dark Ages"? Do you mean why do they still believe in God? Or why is the Church structure the same as it was in the Dark Ages?

[Anonymous No.6740365]

>>6740360
The Dark Ages. Why? This isn't brain surgery.

[Anonymous No.6740366]

>>6740289
You're misinterpreting the words of the pope- gays are sinners, and it would be wrong to slow their pursuit of God and penance.

[Anonymous No.6740374]

>>6740332
They have. The roots always have to be the same, but The Second Vatican Council and the writing of the Catechism are 'evolutions'.

[Anonymous No.6740375]

>>6740365
It might not be, but it hardly matters how simple the question is, if it's not phrased clearly.

[Anonymous No.6740380]

>>6740366
I think he's just saying judge not lest ye be judged, pretty straightforward, he's setting a Christlike example for Catholics Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. He's not making any comment about whether judging them would slow their penance or any of that.

[Anonymous No.6740403]

>>6740366
>>6740380
The whole thing about hating the sin and not the sinner is pretty ancient, and Francis isn't the first Pope who has expressed this opinion. It's just media sensationalizing statements like they always do.

[Anonymous No.6740414]

>>6740375
We've evolved past the dark ages. The church has not. Why?

[Anonymous No.6740464]

>>6740414
>believing in "the dark ages"

[Anonymous No.6740468]

>>6740464
>responding to obvious shitposters

[Anonymous No.6740495]

>>6739430
>>6740314
Oy gevalt! Are you guys religious?

[Anonymous No.6741340]

>>6740229
Literally wrong

>Scotsman don't do X!
>Well Harold does X and he's a Scotsman!
>Well Harold's No True Scotsman so he doesn't count!

That's entirely applicable to what you claimed. Saying that a Slav isn't a Scotsman isn't a fucking fallacy, if we go by those terms regarding nationality.

[Anonymous No.6741589]

>>6741340
>Harold is a Slave who has never so much as been to Scotland, yet calls himself a Scotsman

Yeah, no. He isn't one. Neither is someone a Christian who can't get on board with the Nicene Creed. We have to defined Christian here first: someone who subscribes to the Nicene Creed is the most basic, fundamental definition. How are you defining "Christian", exactly?

[Anonymous No.6741605]

>>6741340
>Harold is a Slav who has never so much as been to Scotland, yet calls himself a Scotsman

Yeah, no. He isn't one. Neither is someone a Christian who can't get on board with the Nicene Creed. We have to defined Christian here first: someone who subscribes to the Nicene Creed is the most basic, fundamental definition for the religion. That is literally the very reason it was created, so people were clear on what the definition of a "Christian" was.

[Anonymous No.6741710]

>>6738820
>ironic
Bullshit

[Anonymous No.6741746]

>>6735373
>christianity comes equipped with all the morals/values necessary for non-degenerate life.

sure it does. enjoy your slave morality.

[Anonymous No.6742941]

>>6740289
>le molestagate meme

[Anonymous No.6742958]

>>6734937
REMOVE ALL SPOOKS

[Thomas No.6743011]

>>6742958
Stirner's flag would be Stirner holding a flag of Stirner holding a flag and so on

[Anonymous No.6743015]

>>6734974
We're reacting against the destruction of Western culture by Atheism, Feminism, and similar -isms that seek to destroy the rich cultural traditions of Christianity.

[Anonymous No.6743017]

>>6743011
>and so on

*sniff*

[Anonymous No.6743677]

>>6743015
This. I am agnostic but I'm become increasingly interested in the history of Christianity because of the liberalisation of Western society.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6743685]

>>6742958
Saved.
Nice.
OC?

[Anonymous No.6743692]

Op, it makes sense to have one, but honestly, it's just gonna be nothing but bitching on there. Just fighting.
Also, I'd hope not to see Joes Osteen there. Lol

[Anonymous No.6743741]

>>6743017
What would Zizek's flag have?

[Anonymous No.6743750]

>>6743741
Something about pure ideology.

[Anonymous No.6743769]

>>6743741

[Anonymous No.6743992]

>>6735314
>the burden of proof doesn't lay on me though
I am now triggered

[Anonymous No.6745809]

>>6740019
Since more and more on this site are becoming "ironically" muslim, the day may coome for that.

[Anonymous No.6746160]

>tfw no one will ever convert you into being a militant christian

[Anonymous No.6746462]

>>6734937
Not really. I think it fits in here, nearly every religion is based in text anyway, not like this is a super fast board anyway.

A board on religion would just end up like /pol/ where only the edgiest extremes can circlejerk and blame their problems on whoever is going against the trend.

[Anonymous No.6746467]

>>6746160
But they will:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord%27s_Resistance_Army

[Anonymous No.6746474]

I'm Catholic, but have been thinking of converting to Orthodox lately. I've been watching a lot of Orthodoxy-centered films, particularly Andrei Rublev. I developed an appreciation for Orthodoxy after reading The Brothers Karamazov. It's problem the most pure religion out there.

[Anonymous No.6746478]

>>6734974
Heres what I can say as a guy who kind of floats between it. The bible is really cool. For the most of it it doesn't make jack shit sense and has absolutely no right to be believed in than any other mythology for any other region. However, there is a comfort in it, in just going with it and forgiving people for their sins and knowing that everyone has them and all.

I don't think many people would actually believe whats in the bible if they gave it a analytical view, but that doesn't mean you can't be Christian or similar, if that makes sense. I dunno, thats how I see it I guess, but I know other people would disagree.

And don't ask your questions like a passive aggressive asshole, asshole.

[Anonymous No.6746481]

>>6746474
It problem is.

[Anonymous No.6746485]

>>6746474
I'm tempted to it too, my only issue is nationalist-based Churches.

[Anonymous No.6746499]

>>6746474

nice

[Anonymous No.6746519]

>>6735374

The people who complain about this joke are worse than the people who make this joke

[Anonymous No.6746530]

>>6746474
You're just a culture fetishist liberal looking for an exotic people to revitalize yourself from.

[Anonymous No.6746532]

>>6746467
>thinking niggers could ever convert me

LOL

[Anonymous No.6746537]

>>6746474
I'm an Anglican and I'm close to leaving my Church because it's gone too SJW. Can anyone here tell me if I should go Roman Catholic, or Eastern Orthodox? The crux seems to be the degree of power given to the Pope, so I'd like to see arguments for and against that. I already know the doctrinal differences between the Churches, but rather than mull over every issue, it seems like the Pope would be the best way to decide.

[Anonymous No.6746555]

>>6734974
>Begin with a point in 4chan history where the vast majority of posters were ironic counter-culturalists that develop contrariness as a virtue.
>Ridicule of religions and religionists reaches a climax
>This ridicule becomes boring and overdone
>Little by little, anons decide to one-up this and go contrary to the normal anti-Christian attitudes of the boards and ridicule the other anons
>They start believing the counter insults constitute argument and start believing what was originally a joke
>There's enough of them that they decide it's their duty to shitpost everywhere and when they get told to stop, to post on the board it belongs, etc., they complain that there's a foreign entity trying to stop them from shitposting
>they embrace ressentiment and continue until they adopt a new fad, are completely silenced, or take over

This is exactly what happened with bronies, stormfront, etc.

[Anonymous No.6746560]

>>6746555
Also, since 4chan gained some public infamy and losers from all walks of life will end up here at some point.

[Anonymous No.6746570]

>>6746474
dont go schismatic, its no good
>>6746537
Go Catholic, the authority of the pope was understood by the early church fathers

also the Orthodox schism started because one Patriarch got jelly that Rome liked the past Patriarch and tried to get him back

[Anonymous No.6746585]

>>6746570
But how much authority and were the Church fathers unanimous in this? I've read many that differ to the Pope, but a lot of Church fathers flirted with heresy, so I'd prefer a considerable consensus.

[Anonymous No.6746596]

>>6746585
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/peters-primacy
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-authority-of-the-pope-part-i
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/the-authority-of-the-pope-part-ii

[Anonymous No.6748134]

>>6735466
Did she ever make a new channel?

[Anonymous No.6748185]

>>6743677
Come home, friend. Christ loves you.

[Anonymous No.6748208]

>>6735314
>the burden of proof doesn't lay on me though

but you're the one who initially asserted their claim