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[Evola « Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Kid !vKJYJAzBlI No.6717406]

Was Muhammad foreshadowed in the new New testament

[Anonymous No.6717414]

why is jesus wearing a turban

[Anonymous No.6717418]

>>6717406
Muslims seem to think so.

[Anonymous No.6717422]

>And they were saying that the prophet had appeared, coming with the Saracens, and that he was proclaiming the advent of the anointed one, the Christ who was to come. I, having arrived at Sykamina, stopped by a certain old man well-versed in scriptures, and I said to him: "What can you tell me about the prophet who has appeared with the Saracens?" He replied, groaning deeply: "He is false, for the prophets do not come armed with a sword. Truly they are works of anarchy being committed today and I fear that the first Christ to come, whom the Christians worship, was the one sent by God and we instead are preparing to receive the Antichrist. Indeed, Isaiah said that the Jews would retain a perverted and hardened heart until all the earth should be devastated. But you go, master Abraham, and find out about the prophet who has appeared." So I, Abraham, inquired and heard from those who had met him that there was no truth to be found in the so-called prophet, only the shedding of men's blood.

[Anonymous No.6717427]

>>6717422
Based

[Anonymous No.6717429]

From an Islamic perspective, Jesus PBUH told his followers about the coming of Muhammad PBUH. - Islam claims most of the Prophets that you can think of. Noah, Moses, Abraham, Jesus etc - all foretold the coming of the seal of Prophecy: Muhammad.

[Anonymous No.6717437]

>>6717422
>"armed with a sword"

Did he forget that Moses PBUH was armed?

[Anonymous No.6717446]

>>6717406
Yeah, something about "beware of false prophets bending the Word to their own ends" or some shit. The man was the Joseph Smith of 400 CE; a con man and a thief who'd been chased out of Mecca for being a con man and a thief.

[Anonymous No.6717448]

Yes the Bible talks about Muhammed

This passage in particular:

>For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15


notice it speaks of satan disguising himself as an 'angel of light' and his servants claiming to in agreement with Christ but in fact contradict Christ. Literally foreshadowing Muhammed who believed he got his message from an "angel of light" yet contradicted the gospels. Also Joseph Smith allegedly spoke to such an angel yet contradicted the gospel.

[Anonymous No.6717451]

>>6717437
There's a quote about Jesus Christ by Napolon Binaparte that I particularly like.

"I know men and I tell you that Jesus Christ is no mere man. Between Him and every other person in the world there is no possible term of comparison. Alexander, Caesar, Charlemagne, and I have founded empires. But on what did we rest the creation of our genius? Upon force. Jesus Christ founded His empire upon love; and at this hour millions of men would die for Him."

I really think that is incredible, even as a non Christian. When I think of Mohamed, I think of another Ceaser or Cyrus, a warlord who founded a dynasty by the sword and crowned him self God (or gods prophet). But Jesus was something else entirely, he was something never seen by man before. He founded an empire based on love and telling men to live as brothers. He is in a league of his own.

[Skull No.6717456]

Mo' had two wives, one 6 and one 8, both died giving birth before being teenaged. Perhaps that's why many Mu' are peados??

[Anonymous No.6717467]

>>6717451
>warlord
>billions would die for Muhammad NOW
>how many would die for Ceasar or any other "warlord" now?

Stop using "warlord" when all the main battles Muhammad PBUH were against the Meccans. If you think the reason why Islam is still as strong as ever is due to "warlord techniques" - you're far too ignorant on the subject.

[Anonymous No.6717469]

>>6717448
you know nothing.

[Anonymous No.6717471]

>>6717448
/thread

[Anonymous No.6717475]

>>6717467
Muslims -would not only die for Muhammad PBUH- but would die for Jesus PBUH - right now.

Comparing Muhammad/Jesus PBUH to Ceasar or Alexander is just incorrect.

[Anonymous No.6717484]

>>6717451
>Jesus Christ founded His empire upon love

What about all the 'prophets' and religious leaders who founded their own sects not through violence? Zoroaster? Buddha? The guy who started Hinduism? The untold many who died by the roadside of history never to be remembered so shortlived and insignificant were there followers? Surely they are just as valid - or is it only praise of Jesus because of the sheer number and existing structure of Christianity of his time that he praises it? Surely he knows that Christianity was not transmitted purely with love and compassion but much blood letting was shed also to spread or force the word.

[Anonymous No.6717486]

>>6717451
This is a good perspective

>>6717467
>>6717475
Napoleon was right.

Mohamed was a warlord who spread his religion through the sword.

Jesus spread the word of God through his words and miracles and when they time came he could have thrown all of Israel and Judea into violent revolution. He could have called down Gods wrath.

But he didn't.

He didn't come to this Earth to kill as Muhhamed did. Jesus came here to teach men to love and then laid down his own life.

When examining Mohamed's life I see many parallels to Genghis Khan or Atilla the Hun mixed with L Ron Hubbard.

But Christ? Christ never ordered a man to be killed for doubting him.

[Anonymous No.6717489]

>>6717467

>why Islam is still as strong as ever


"Islam" isn't a thing. The average algerian and the average saudi have almost nothing in common.

[Anonymous No.6717490]

>>6717486

>Christ never ordered a man to be killed for doubting him.


No, he just said that those who doubt him will suffer eternally.

[Anonymous No.6717491]

>>6717484
Of course there were people who sinned in Christs name, but he was talking about Christ the individual and his teachings.

Jesus never killed men or raped women like Mohammed did.

[Anonymous No.6717495]

>>6717490
If you don't believe anyway a statement like that should matter no more than me saying I'm putting a magic curse in you

[Anonymous No.6717496]

>>6717486
>Mohamed was a warlord who spread his religion through the sword.
And when Christ returns he comes not to bring peace, but to bring a sword.

[Anonymous No.6717497]

>>6717490
>No, he just said that those who doubt him will suffer eternally.

where?

[Anonymous No.6717500]

No, because the New Testament is too vague to have any foreshadowing

[Anonymous No.6717501]

>>6717496
In the end days to fight Satan and the Antichrist, not local traders and rival tribes in Arabia.

[Anonymous No.6717502]

>>6717496

No he brought the sword already, the sword of truth, it creates division. The wicked dislike it and will shun you and oppress you.

He mentioned it will create schisms between families, even today Jews shun and attack their relatives if they convert to Christianity.

[Anonymous No.6717505]

>>6717501
potayto potahto

[Anonymous No.6717506]

>>6717486

>Jesus spread the word of God through his words and miracles

Sure, and emperor Constantine had absolutely nothing to do with it

Are all christposters this historically illiterate?

[Anonymous No.6717509]

>>6717506

>implying Jesus was Constantine

[Anonymous No.6717514]

>>6717502
>sword of truth
"The chicken that was no chicken, but evil incarnate"?

[Anonymous No.6717516]

>people using/looking into religious scripture to indicate future events retrospectively

[Anonymous No.6717520]

>>6717467
>PBUH
What does this mean?

[Anonymous No.6717522]

>>6717509

I take that as a 'yes' to my question

[Anonymous No.6717523]

>>6717520

Peanut Butter Ultimate Haidoken

[Anonymous No.6717526]

>>6717520
Peace Be Upon Him

[Anonymous No.6717527]

>>6717520

Peace be upon him.

[Anonymous No.6717528]

>>6717520

sallaallahu alayhi wa salam

[Anonymous No.6717530]

>>6717520
peace be upon him

[Anonymous No.6717531]

>>6717506
Oh wow anon, who's Constantine? That sounds like a really obscure Roman guy who no one but history buffs like you have ever heard of before.

Of course I know about the conversion of Rome and the role it played in spreading Christianity across europe

I'm talking about the character and actions of Jesus Christ, not those who followed him

[Anonymous No.6717535]

>>6717527
>>6717526

>them time stamps

[Anonymous No.6717536]

>>6717514
>Terry Goodkind is the messiah
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6717539]

>>6717523
>>6717526
>>6717527
>>6717528
>>6717530
I did not expect so many replies, yet no dubs amongst them. Further proof that whatever is applied upon the Moslem faith is not true, for they cannot conjure the divine digits.

thanks for the explanation tbh lads

[Anonymous No.6717540]

>>6717516
>watching anime

Like you're doing any better

[Anonymous No.6717549]

>>6717539
Only Zoroaster can get dubs like these

[Anonymous No.6717552]

>>6717531

>I'm talking about the character and actions of Jesus Christ, not those who followed him

Yes, and those who followed him had a much bigger impact on the spread of Christianity than he ever did. Hell, we don't even know what Jesus' opinion would have been on him being the main figure of a seperate religion. Considering he was a pious Jew he almost certainly would have been disturbed by it

[Anonymous No.6717553]

>>6717506
Constantine really didn't have anything to do with it. He just took credit for what Diocletian and Galerius had already started when they cancelled the persecution of Christians. Constantine himself wasn't even a Christian, he was a Mithras worshipper that never converted. The Church needed a hero, though, so they've done their utmost to paint Constantine in rainbows and sunshine and as a man who could do no wrong, rather than give credit to Galerius for being the one to grant Christianity equal religious rights within the Roman hierarchy on his deathbed.

[Anonymous No.6717559]

>>6717553

So the fact that he made Christianity the state religion had no impact on its spread whatsoever?

[Anonymous No.6717563]

>>6717552
>and those who followed him had a much bigger impact on the spread of Christianity than he ever did

m8

[Anonymous No.6717567]

>>6717559

he didn't make it a state religion, he simply removed the ban on it, and gave them freedom to practice without being decapitated or ostracized.

Then he adopted it himself because he felt it had truth to it. But Rome was multi-religious anyone could practice whatever, and he was still very much semi-pagan who celebrated pagan festivals

[Anonymous No.6717568]

>>6717523
I laughed

[Anonymous No.6717576]

>>6717567
Im eternally grateful to Constantine for indirectly keeping the pagan traditions alive via Catholicism
Of cours he could have done better by wiping out all worshippers of the Foreign Desert Volcano War god Yahweh, but lots of assholes in history didn't have the foresight to seize that opportunity

[Anonymous No.6717583]

>>6717576

I'm grateful to the reformers and Quakers who figured that out and took out the pagan influences

[Anonymous No.6717585]

>>6717539

You sure?

[Anonymous No.6717593]

>>6717484
>The guy who started Hinduism?

satan

[Anonymous No.6717598]

>>6717567
and also gave material wealth and positions of power to converts

[Anonymous No.6717614]

>>6717406

[Anonymous No.6717618]

>>6717593

[Anonymous No.6717619]

>>6717484
>The guy who started Hinduism?
He's called Rajesh Hindu.

[Anonymous No.6717623]

>>6717583
Quaker Oats

[Anonymous No.6717631]

>>6717484
>The guy who started Hinduism
>The guy who started
>Hinduism

[Anonymous No.6717643]

>>6717583
>took out the pagan influences
that's what you think

[Anonymous No.6717662]

>>6717451
But Christ's 'empire' didn't come about until centuries after his death, and was accompanied with plenty of violence as soon as it actually became a big deal.

[Anonymous No.6717689]

>>6717406
Well, what Muslims call the "Injeel" is not actually the New Testament, but rather the four Gospels (Which are supposed to be divinely inspired, (but go corrupted at some point) the rest of the New Testament isn't).

[Anonymous No.6717711]

>>6717559
>thinking Constantine established Christianity as the Roman state religion

This is why you morons can't be trusted to know jack or shit, you swallow whatever bullshit your preacher tells you without question. Constantius was the one who made it the state religion, which was then overturned by Julian the Apostate and reestablished under Theodosius I, several Emperors later. Christfags pimp Constantine because he was a vacillator between Arianism and Athanasianism as opposed to being a full-blooded Arian like Constantius.

[Anonymous No.6717770]

>>6717711

it's usually atheists who get the history wrong, not christians

[Anonymous No.6717780]

>>6717467
Islam spread by the sword immediately after its inception. Cheistiankty had to wait a dew centuries to reach that point.

[Anonymous No.6717783]

>>6717495

I'm not saying that from my perspective but from his.

>>6717497

It's this book called the new testament. Jesus literally invented hell as it's understood nowadays.

[Anonymous No.6717790]

>>6717711

Theodosius didn't just make christianity the state religion, he made all the other religions illegal.

[Anonymous No.6717791]

>>6717422

That quote is from "Teaching of Jacob," a 7th century antisemitic tract. It's garbage like most such religious hogwash is.

Tell me OP, was Spider-man foreshadowed in the New Testament, or are you one of those Kryptonians with their Kal-El?

[Anonymous No.6717792]

>>6717448
REKT

[Anonymous No.6717815]

>>6717780
>by the sword

Rather, the arab empire spread, and Islam went along with it. Islam was the nationalism binding the tribes together and gave them coherency and a will.

It's often mistakenly said that Islam spread by the sword but the early conquests should be seen as similar to any other growing empire taking root and spreading. It was not 'convert of die', and in many instances the 'conquered' nations welcomed the new lords over their old. If anything, favoritism and privilege spread Islam more than any threat of death.

[Anonymous No.6717817]

>>6717780
Well, Islam didn't really "spread" by the sword, the Caliphate did. it wasn't until the 11th century that the Caliphates began encouraging conversions, it was mostly so they could conscript them since non-Muslims couldn't join the army.

[Anonymous No.6717824]

>>6717815
The Arab empire wouldn't have existed without Islam. The Arabs were scattered nomads fucking camels in the desert and reciting poetry while trying to eke out a living between the oases and wells of Arabia. Prior to Muhammad there was nothing at all resembling an Arab empire. Indeed, the inhabitants of the Arab empire would call it a caliphate, not an empire, and literally all scholarship on the subject agrees with that term.

[Anonymous No.6717833]

>>6717817

There is no caliphate without islam.

[Anonymous No.6717846]

>>6717824

this is an oversimplified reading of Arab history. They had thriving and sophisticated empires, religion, art, armies, lots of trade, etc.

This is like how Christians like to categorize all of pre-christian europe as primitive nomads.

[Anonymous No.6717859]

>>6717833

Yes, but still the point is; the religion didn't spread by the sword, the Caliphate did.

[Anonymous No.6717862]

>>6717846
>sophisticated empires
...no? Not prior to the emergence of Islam. Having religion, trade, and art (I never denied any of hose things, although the religion of the Arabs prior to Islam was just paganism or a form of fatalism, poetry is most certainly a form of art [and Arabic poetry was beautiful even prior to Islam] which I acknowledged, and saying that they traveled between oases is basically saying that they traded; Mecca was a trade hub). None of those things imply a "sophisticated empire," only a culture.

[Anonymous No.6717867]

>>6717859
The Caliphate is synonymous with the religion. Territory under the control of a Muslim Caliph expanded exponentially during the rise of Islam. There's more than one way to measure expansion.

[Anonymous No.6717869]

>>6717862
>None of those things imply a "sophisticated empire," only a culture.

Islam still isn't a sophisticated empire and it's 2015. So what's your point? Arabs will be Arabs. Islam didn't do much for them except maybe lobotomize their inherent curiosity, and stagnate their art.

[Anonymous No.6717874]

>>6717862
>Not prior to the emergence of Islam.

Nor in the first few centuries after it, pic very related

[Anonymous No.6717899]

>>6717869
That's my point.

[Anonymous No.6717913]

>>6717451
But Jesus is a composite character.

The dude's literally cobbled together from bits of Osiris and Zoroaster.

You can practically see the stitching.

"Jesus Is Real" fags gonna get all mad and tell me Wikipedia says different.

[Anonymous No.6717919]

>>6717913

[Anonymous No.6717937]

>>6717913
There's evidence to suggest that Christ studied aspects of Buddhism. I can't give citation, but I can say that he'd have been exposed to Zoroastrianism and many other faiths in that time period. Who's to say he didn't shape himself off of the image of other holy men and teachings.

[Anonymous No.6717946]

>>6717937
>There's evidence to suggest that Christ studied aspects of Buddhism
What the fuck are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.6718050]

>>6717859

You can't separate the two.

[Anonymous No.6718497]

>>6717946
>What the fuck are you talking about?

you know how Jesus talked about the 4 noble truths, articulated the idea of No-Self and that all beings, whether angels men or gods are conditioned and transient phenomena subject to rebirth, and the only way out of the cycle is to cultivate detachment and see reality for what it is.

It's all in the Gospels...Luke or Mark. You know Jesus was agnostic about God's existence?

[Anonymous No.6718505]

>>6717913

you're right. and Napoleon has elements of Caesar and Alexander the Great within him, the story just doesn't add up, he's probably fake

now that I think about it, Einstein was kinda similar to Newton and Galileo!!!! WTF ZEITGEIST 2015 RED PILL

[Anonymous No.6718564]

>>6717406
Yeah. It said others would come along claiming they were of God, and another prophet, but the bible warns they will all be false. Christ was the final prophet.

[Anonymous No.6718593]

>>6717422
>>6717448
>>6717451
>>6717486
All the talk of false prophets predates the New Testament and can easily be applied to Jesus, who propagated a doctrine that directly opposed God's law while claiming to be divine.

tl;dr: Jesus was the original false prophet and people are still falling for his bullshit to this day.

[Anonymous No.6718600]

>>6718593
>All the talk of false prophets predates the New Testament

[Anonymous No.6718613]

>>6718593

Why are Jews so insecure about the Messiah that they need to lash out at him out of no where? Having subconscious doubts Oyveyberg?

[Anonymous No.6718638]

>>6718613
no need to be a jew to realize how jesus, like all other self-proclaimed messengers of god, are nothing but con-artists

[Anonymous No.6718639]

>>6717429
That is wrong. Each prophet, in Islam, is sent to be the last one. But men corrupted the religion of, for example, Jesus, so Muhammad had to come. As Islam is uncorrupted, there was no need to send another one, and there will never be because Islam is never to be corrupted. That's what Islam says at least.

[Anonymous No.6718640]

>>6718564
>>6717919

[Anonymous No.6718644]

>>6718639
Muhammad is the Seal of the Prophets in Islam. This is a simple doctrinal fact.

[Anonymous No.6718647]

>>6718613
They don't know that loving your enemies is virtuous

[Anonymous No.6718650]

>>6718497
We're going to need some textual evidence regarding all your claims bud

[Anonymous No.6718653]

>>6718650
>It's all in the Gospels...Luke or Mark
Read

[Anonymous No.6718657]

>>6718644
Yes, didn't say otherwise. I am just saying that, according to Islam, if men didn't corrupt the religion earlier prophets brought, there wouldn't be a need for another prophet, so Muhammad wouldn't be one.

[Anonymous No.6718676]

>>6718653
- not the person you responded to originally, but I have read the gospels several times, and your claims are simply false

[Anonymous No.6718695]

>>6718676
Go read the NT
Jesus is just copying Buddha + cynics.

[Anonymous No.6718702]

>>6718695

Buddha was nihilistic cuz he wanted to escape rebirth and be dead forever.

[Anonymous No.6718705]

>>6718653
No, it isn't. Let's do some Comp. Religion 101. The teachings of Jesus had very little to do with Eastern philosophy/religion. While there are certain beats shared between the two, Christ's teachings and Buddha's teachings are very different. Buddha taught that people need to detach themselves from physical reality in because this causes suffering. Jesus taught this because it causes separation from God. Buddha taught nonviolence because, to piss off Hindus and Buddhists, what goes around comes around. Jesus taught nonviolence because we all are God's children, equal in his sight. Both religions have opposite ways of viewing time and being. In Christianity, there is a beginning and an end to all things. God said "Let there be light" and it was good; Christ will return and he will judge the quick and the dead. Buddhists believe that one lives many times until one finally achieves enlightenment. Most damningly, (heh) both of these teachings have opposite views on how to achieve salvation. In Buddhism, one achieves Nirvana by adopting Buddha's teachings by following the Eightfold Path. In Christianity, salvation comes through Christ's sacrifice to cleanse us of our sins, which are what separate us from God. Buddha was a teacher in Buddhism, explaining to the masses to end suffering and samsara; Christ is the teacher and redeemer in Christianity.

tl;dr: Christianity and Buddhism do share some teachings, but converge on them from radically different places.

Of course, you may be a complete idiot or worse yet, a troll instead of the rational adult I presupposed you to be so, possibly pic related.

[Anonymous No.6718708]

>>6717406
Yes, absolutely

>15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
-Matthew 7:15-20.

[Anonymous No.6718721]

>>6718695
not even a little bit
sorry bro

Buddhism starts with the worldview that life is pain and the way to alleviate that pain is a gnostic path - that is not quite a polar opposite of Christ's teachings, but it's close

[Anonymous No.6718755]

>>6718705
You've been rushed, my friend :)

[Anonymous No.6718761]

>>6718755
:(

[Anonymous No.6718823]

>>6718505
>Be Zoroaster

>Be Man-God incarnate, descended from heaven to be martyred for humanity's sins

>500 years later some punk-ass Jew-bitch steals your shtick wholesale and goes pro

>yfw

PS. they invented Angels too, but the Jews ripped those off as well

Seriously, Christianity is a god damn Frankenstein's monster of a religion, read a book that isn't the bible for once y' goober.

[Anonymous No.6718833]

What a spooky thread

[Anonymous No.6718837]

>>6718823
nice meme

[Anonymous No.6718844]

>>6717489
"Islam is not a thing"

DON'T WE WISH IT COULD BE THIS EASY.

[Anonymous No.6718862]

These type of threads aren't helping anyone. Islam and Christianity are quite clearly equally silly and depressing.

Christianity: You are born bad but be a faggot and waste your entire life begging for forgiveness and you will live forever

Islam: You are born kind of bad but as long as your brutally murder non muslims and say shehadah you will live forever.

Yeah, okay m8.

[Anonymous No.6718864]

>>6717489
This is the worst post in this bad thread

[Anonymous No.6718869]

>>6718862
Shut up dumb frogposter

[Anonymous No.6718925]

>>6718862
You got Islam right at least.
>>6718869
mudslime detected.

[Anonymous No.6718957]

>>6718862
How is begging for forgiveness as bad as brutally murdering people?

[Anonymous No.6719077]

The new testament explicitly states Jesus is the last prophet, similarly the Koran states Mohammed is the last prophet.

[Anonymous No.6719108]

>>6718837
This meme is true tbh.

[Anonymous No.6719160]

>>6719108
>pretty much all sources exist much much later than christianity
>takes some influence from christianity
Gee what a surprise.

[Anonymous No.6719288]

>>6717406
>Matthew 24
>The Destruction of the Temple Foretold. 1 Jesus left the temple area and was going away, when his disciples approached him to point out the temple buildings. He said to them in reply, “You see all these things, do you not? Amen, I say to you, there will not be left here a stone upon another stone that will not be thrown down.”

>The Beginning of Calamities. 3 As he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples approached him privately and said, “Tell us, when will this happen, and what sign will there be of your coming, and of the end of the age?” Jesus said to them in reply, “See that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and they will deceive many. You will hear of wars and reports of wars; see that you are not alarmed, for these things must happen, but it will not yet be the end. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; there will be famines and earthquakes from place to place. All these are the beginning of the labor pains. Then they will hand you over to persecution, and they will kill you. You will be hated by all nations because of my name. And then many will be led into sin; they will betray and hate one another. Many false prophets will arise and deceive many; and because of the increase of evildoing, the love of many will grow cold. But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the world as a witness to all nations, and then the end will come.

[Anonymous No.6719300]

>>6719288
>The Great Tribulation. 15 “When you see the desolating abomination spoken of through Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then those in Judea must flee to the mountains, a person on the housetop must not go down to get things out of his house, a person in the field must not return to get his cloak. Woe to pregnant women and nursing mothers in those days. Pray that your flight not be in winter or on the sabbath, for at that time there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will be. And if those days had not been shortened, no one would be saved; but for the sake of the elect they will be shortened. If anyone says to you then, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. False messiahs and false prophets will arise, and they will perform signs and wonders so great as to deceive, if that were possible, even the elect. Behold, I have told it to you beforehand. So if they say to you, ‘He is in the desert,’ do not go out there; if they say, ‘He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. For just as lightning comes from the east and is seen as far as the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.

>The Coming of the Son of Man. 29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days,
>>the sun will be darkened,
>>>and the moon will not give its light,
>>and the stars will fall from the sky,
>>>and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
>And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming upon the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send out his angels with a trumpet blast, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

[Anonymous No.6719318]

>>6719300
>32 “Learn a lesson from the fig tree. When its branch becomes tender and sprouts leaves, you know that summer is near. In the same way, when you see all these things, know that he is near, at the gates. Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.

>The Unknown Day and Hour. 36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. For as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. In [those] days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day that Noah entered the ark. They did not know until the flood came and carried them all away. So will it be [also] at the coming of the Son of Man. Two men will be out in the field; one will be taken, and one will be left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken, and one will be left. Therefore, stay awake! For you do not know on which day your Lord will come. Be sure of this: if the master of the house had known the hour of night when the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and not let his house be broken into. So too, you also must be prepared, for at an hour you do not expect, the Son of Man will come.

>45 “Who, then, is the faithful and prudent servant, whom the master has put in charge of his household to distribute to them their food at the proper time? Blessed is that servant whom his master on his arrival finds doing so. Amen, I say to you, he will put him in charge of all his property. But if that wicked servant says to himself, ‘My master is long delayed,’ and begins to beat his fellow servants, and eat and drink with drunkards, the servant’s master will come on an unexpected day and at an unknown hour and will punish him severely and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.

[Anonymous No.6719389]

>>6719288
>>6719300
>>6719318
No ones got time for all this m9

[Anonymous No.6719431]

All those "PBUH" shit are pathetic and annoying.
Just write the names without any hypocritical apostrophe, it's not as if they would care.

[Anonymous No.6719596]

>>6719288
>>6719300
>>6719318
Now read Josephus, who wrote that all this ''happened'', and you'll understand that the Son of Man is Titus Flavius Vespasianus. Christians worship some long dead Roman warlord.

[Anonymous No.6719621]

>>6719596
>a book written by Literally Whom?

[Anonymous No.6719631]

>>6719596
stop shilling for this absolute shit book

[Anonymous No.6719648]

>>6719596
>yo guys, let's make a jewish messiah to control jews, and then kill them for worshipping him!

[Anonymous No.6719706]

>>6718823
I'm not worried. Every Muslim that dies is devoured by Angra Mainyu for turning their backs on their true faith.

[Anonymous No.6719714]

>>6717770
That is categorically untrue; atheists aren't bound to manipulate history to suit the whims of their invisible space daddy's minions on earth.

[Anonymous No.6719719]

>>6717783
>Jesus literally invented hell as it's understood nowadays

Funny, it reads a lot like just one of Daoism's 1000 Hells, which pre-date Jesus by 400 years. China beats you out AGAIN.

[Anonymous No.6719727]

>>6719714
>What is Stalinism
>What is positivism
>What is the liberal-progressive narrative of history

[Anonymous No.6719750]

wasn't the New Testament foreshadowed by the greeks?

[Anonymous No.6719757]

>>6719727
Those were to suit the whims of actual people, who can be taken to task for it. No one's bothered to correct the egregious rape of history that is the Bible, especially since it says in it not to (thanks, Augustine, you cunt).

[Anonymous No.6719765]

>>6719757
I don't see your point. Many branches of Christianity aren't biblical literalists.

[Anonymous No.6719766]

>>6717406
Daily reminder that Jesoos was darker than that pop culture idol shown in church.

[Anonymous No.6719857]

>>6719389

Humanity is doomed

[Anonymous No.6719864]

>>6717406
I don't know nigga but in the Islamic Armaggedon it's supposed that Jesus will come, and together with Muhammed they will have a DBZ-tier battle against the Antichrist. And then everyone will submit to Islam.

[Anonymous No.6719865]

>>6719766

Daily reminder that Jesus and Mary take on the appearance of whatever people they appear before

[Anonymous No.6719874]

Did the New Testament foreshadow John Frum?

P.S. Jesus wasn't real

[Anonymous No.6719882]

>>6719757
Many Marxists still think a communist utopia is inevitable, though. Positivism still exists and the positivist metanarrstive is invoked constantly by anyone affirming the value of science.

[Anonymous No.6719903]

>>6717406
no
but Jeebus (pbuh) is on the Quran. He will come a second time together with Muhammad (pbuh).

[Anonymous No.6719910]

>>6718657
Muhammad is already being forshadowed to be a prophet, according to Idris (Enoch)

[Anonymous No.6719925]

>>6719160
It's not cool to pretend to misunderstand presented information as an attempt to save face, broseph.

[Anonymous No.6719926]

>>6717406
muslims please respond
Is Jesus considered to be the son of God?
I know he is considered as the Messiah, but does that means he's the son of God?

[Anonymous No.6719967]

>>6719926
Muslims don't believe in the Trinity so no they don't believe that Jesus is the son of God or an incarnation of God.

They just believe that he was the most important prophet and that he'll come again.

[Anonymous No.6719992]

>>6719926
No, they believe he's a mortal prophet.

[Anonymous No.6720003]

>>6719865
You mean like Galactus?

[Anonymous No.6720026]

>>6719967
>>6719992
really?
Then how he was born?
I was reading some of the Quran (too bored for reading a huge book) and it said that he was born because of the grace of God. Doesn't that mean he is the son of God?

[Anonymous No.6720047]

Jesus Christ. This entire thread and nobody gives the actual verse that muslims use to justify this belief

> John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate [or Comforter] to be with you forever.

Go read the chapter yourself. It's clearly referring to the holy spirit but this is one of the main verses muslims use to justify why Jesus foretold Muhammad.

[Anonymous No.6720171]

>>6720026
>Then how he was born?

Born of the virgin mary

>I was reading some of the Quran (too bored for reading a huge book)

You are kidding right? its the shortest holy book there is.

>Doesn't that mean he is the son of God?

This reasoning doesnt make sense born from the grace of god =/= son of god

[Anonymous No.6720176]

>>6720171
thanks

[Anonymous No.6720245]

>>6720176

qur'an.

[Anonymous No.6720249]

>>6720245
lel

[Anonymous No.6720738]

>>6719077
>explicity states Jesus is the last prophet

I'm gonna need a citation

[Anonymous No.6721080]

>>6717406
All this talk of mythology's made me tired. G'night all, don't let the Muhammad bite.

[Anonymous No.6721109]

>>6720171
The Daodejing is shorter

[Anonymous No.6721158]

>>6720171
i don't understand why muslims tell people to read their holy book. maybe you haven't read the new testament? in comparison the quran is laughably bad

[Anonymous No.6721239]

>>6721158
In comparison to common sense, all religious texts are laughably inane.

[Anonymous No.6721345]

“That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.”

Quran Surah 4:157

>sounds like Muslims are future Christians

[Anonymous No.6721358]

Figured I'd ask this here since it's a theology thread that's already gotten a lot of replies.
My mother gave me a cross to wear as a necklace when I got Confirmed (Catholic, ofc) and I've never really considered actually wearing it until recently. The issue is that it's a Coptic cross (a T with an oval atop it), and I'm not sure if wearing it would be un-Catholic. I feel like it probably isn't a big issue but I figured I'd ask the only theologyfags (I refuse to call any Christposters theologians) I know. Does anyone know if it's cool for me to wear this cross?

[Anonymous No.6721366]

>>6721358
Such a superficial issue...
>Wear a turd around your neck for all anyone cares; the philosophies/morals are more important

[Anonymous No.6721369]

>>6721239
says a person that never has read one

[Anonymous No.6721374]

>>6721369
A bold, stupid, and incorrect assumption.

[Anonymous No.6721387]

>>6721366
That's what I thought

[Anonymous No.6722358]

>>6721374
You seem real mad

[Anonymous No.6723247]

>>6718497

[Anonymous No.6723613]

>>6717791
Superman could be a physical god if he chose.

[Anonymous No.6723679]

>>6717406

Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Archangel Gabriel commanded Muhammad by saying 'Iqra' - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".

[Anonymous No.6723701]

>>6723679

The verse from Deuteronomy is God speaking to Moses.

>"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren

He will be from the gentiles

>like unto thee

like Moses, i.e. a warrior as well as a holy man

>and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

This is clearly the Qur'an, which is held to be the direct word of God containing no influence from Muhammad whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.6723756]

>>6717406
Only by the same logic it foreshadows evangelical's take on the anti-christ and the rapture. Very interpretive.