/lit/ - Literature

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Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:08:27 2015 No.6699854 [Reply] [Original]

Do you guys ever feel extremely isolate and lonely in your genius?

I honestly can't find anyone, in the thousands of people I've met, who thinks independently about life, history, and their position in the universe. They usually just parrot squawk stupid opinions/thoughts of others (or their professors).

Most people are lazy narcissistic and mindless hedonists--and selfish. Nobody is friends with anyone anymore. It's depressing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo0K_n3VLG4

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:09:43 2015 No.6699858

>>6699854
>honestly can't find anyone, in the thousands of people I've met, who thinks independently about life, history, and their position in the universe. They usually just parrot squawk stupid opinions/thoughts of others (or their professors).

/lit/ does this, just with the thoughts of dead people. People on here seem to think philosophy is some just blind doctrine you follow.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:10:23 2015 No.6699860 Bach is overrated crap

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:11:36 2015 No.6699863 >>6699854 faggot

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:12:48 2015 No.6699864 >>6699854 Everyone has their own thoughts and independantly, no matter how smart or dumb, most just don't speak them openly.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:13:42 2015 No.6699865 >>6699858 >People on here seem to think philosophy is some just blind doctrine you follow. That's been long established. Other than ethics, cont. philosophy is a psuedo-science at best.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:14:19 2015 No.6699869 >>6699854 >Nobody is friends with anyone anymore. >anymore What are you comparing now to? Do you know what life was like before you? People exaggerate the extent of social change.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:15:13 2015 No.6699873

>>6699854
Well. Your "thinking about life, history, and your position in the universe" is just a distraction from the finality of death. In other words, just as useless as anything the "plebs" do or think about.

>Nobody is friends with anyone anymore
trust me, plenty of people are friends. You are placing your situation on others.

Honestly, you posting that subpar recording of the most basic Bach work makes me believe you are a pseudo intellectual trying to validate himself and feel worth through their intelligence. Like it almost makes me think this is b8

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:16:15 2015 No.6699876
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>>6699864
>Everyone has their own thoughts and independantly
Do you really believe that?

I'll tell you what is really going on in most people's heads

>"OK, so I have a couple of pleasurable favourite things I like to do, and my whole life revolves around facilitating the conditions to continue on doing those things. In conclusion I will get a job and do it unthinkingly, just so I can continue doing my "fav things".

It's pretty much that simple--rats doing tricks for cheese:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-r-V0uK4u0

We are living in a gigantic skinner-box (that the rich and violent own and control).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:17:15 2015 No.6699881 >>6699854 >Do you guys ever feel extremely isolate and lonely Yes. >in your genius? No. Stop attributing your loneliness to personal greatness.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:18:50 2015 No.6699885 >>6699876 I really do believe that. Don't exaggerate stupidity. You only do it to make yourself feel better about yourself. The dumbest of people are still fairly intelligent.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:19:15 2015 No.6699887 your not a genius, I am a genius

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:19:51 2015 No.6699889 >>6699887 this tbh

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:22:53 2015 No.6699896

>>6699885
Ever see a gorilla/chimp do its assigned tasks (choosing numbers in a sequence impressively quick, etc)?

That's essentially what most people do in relation to social norms, social expecation, and being an obedient cog in the great machine.

This is why we don't have a single piece of media out there with elevated language--because the mass hordes don't want to think too much about what they're watching--they just want a typical plot tropes and explosions/gun shots.

Music has become a slave beat for drones to work to (if you've ever been forced to listen mainstream radio in your workplace, you know exactly what I'm talking about).

Most people are incredibly stupid, and indirectly masochistic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:24:18 2015 No.6699902 Reminder that high culture is just more sophisticated escapism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:25:07 2015 No.6699904 >>6699896 >This is why we don't have a single piece of media out there with elevated language dude, it is obvious you are young. But just because you don't see the media doesn't mean it isn't out there

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:26:27 2015 No.6699907

>>6699902
>high culture is just more sophisticated escapism.
Fair enough, but it makes us better people who aspire to greater ideals.

Imagine if there were more people out there capable of singing beautiful hymns, painting beautiful things, or the very least, appreciate people who can do those things.

Most people are about
>Muh beer
>Muh facebook
>Muh status symbol cock waving

Ugh.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:27:27 2015 No.6699909 >>6699904 Post a recent movie out there with shakespeare level diction.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:27:57 2015 No.6699910 >>6699896 This has to be bait. It takes a special kind of ignorance to believe the things you're saying.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:28:58 2015 No.6699911 >>6699909 >thinking Shakespeare is the pinnacle of literature I bet any money you are still in high school.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:28:59 2015 No.6699912 File: 8 KB, 591x303, iq_bell_curve.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6699910 Attempt to address what I'm saying--go ahead.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:29:58 2015 No.6699915 >>6699912 >believing IQ is an accurate measure of anything This has to be bait.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:30:01 2015 No.6699916 >>6699911 Bernard Shaw's Pygmalion is actually pretty damn good too. What now nigga?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:30:33 2015 No.6699917 >>6699909 I feel you are sincere so I will help you. In your head (elevated diction=late 15th century language) why is that? It makes no logical sense at all. And why did you choose movies as your media, and not literature?

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:31:33 2015 No.6699920

>>6699915
>There is absolutely no correlation between IQ and intelligence

Nigga, this old chestnut? Listen, I know you do the 420 a lot and you hate standardized tests because your weed addled brain can't compute spacial recognition fast enough within the time frame, but that doesn't destroy the validity of IQ tests in culling the stupids from the smarty-pants.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:32:29 2015 No.6699922 >>6699920 kek

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:32:33 2015 No.6699924 >>6699917 Shaw's Pygmalion level diction then. Perfectly modern english, as well as witty and clever.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:34:04 2015 No.6699929 File: 188 KB, 645x901, 1434470174001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6699920 lol well played good sir.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:46:53 2015 No.6699964 File: 50 KB, 900x675, 5fW4QJe.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6699917 >>6699924 Well nigga, where is this elevated language media you said exists...?

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:46:53 2015 No.6699965

>>6699907
Your obsession with the ugliness and faults of others is a sign of ugliness and bad taste in yourself.

Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:53:44 2015 No.6699982

>>6699965
Nigga I subscribe to American Art Collector magazine, I like pretty things.

I also try, in vain, to find good media out there.

But as of the last half year or so I've been struggling in vain to find good music/movies/people.

It's depressing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:55:00 2015 No.6699988 >>6699982 Please tell me you aren't really like this. Listening to you talk is depressing. Fix your ways.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 06:57:06 2015 No.6699992

>>6699988
Change my ways? I like building things, writing poetry, singing and playing guitar, talking about the themes of books/movies/music. I also enjoy partaking in sports (even though I'm great at them or anything). I like riding my bike for long distances.

I work hard, an apprentice carpenter, and I like doing funny voices.

How am I not a delightful human being?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 07:14:32 2015 No.6700032 >>6699865 >science >philosophy

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 07:14:43 2015 No.6700034 >>6699964 fuck off idiot

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 07:16:32 2015 No.6700038 >>6699854 Thanks for the good laughs in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 07:18:03 2015 No.6700043 >>6699992 >I work hard, an apprentice carpenter, and I like doing funny voices. You remind me of Elliot Rodger

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 07:22:18 2015 No.6700049 File: 731 KB, 2560x1600, he-man.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6700038 >Gets call out >"FUCK OFF REEEEEEEEEEEEE" k

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 07:24:28 2015 No.6700053

I don't think I'm a genius, just more well-read, I guess. Very few people I talk to on any topic, literature, music, etc., knows anything aside from the most common things. It limits a lot of that conversation. I'm forced to do a sort of smalltalk, in regards to this stuff, which isn't really interesting or even fun for me. Whenever someone DOES know something about a topic, it's really refreshing to be honest.

I dunno, I don't think I'm any smarter than the next man, but people just don't seem to give things any thought.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 07:25:36 2015 No.6700054

>Most people are lazy narcissistic and mindless hedonists--and selfish. Nobody is friends with anyone anymore. It's depressing.

Grow up, kiddo. Read Studs Terkel for an insight into the thoughts of the "average" person. You're the only narcissist here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 07:27:43 2015 No.6700059 I don't think I'm a genius or anything. I have always been smarter than most people. Introspective as well. I'm so used to be alone in thought that it's hardly anything new to adapt to.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 07:29:24 2015 No.6700061 >>6700054 This.

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>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 07:34:01 2015 No.6700067 File: 83 KB, 400x709, modern_society_pyramid.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6700065 >implying that that comic is true

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 07:45:59 2015 No.6700092 this is bait right

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 07:47:09 2015 No.6700095 >>6699854 Read some Schopenhauer, mate. Also, find websites where academic stuff is discussed, or go to philosophy cafes if they exist where you live, and just talk to people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 08:09:06 2015 No.6700140 >>6699909 are you a fucking retard

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 08:15:09 2015 No.6700151 File: 70 KB, 755x801, 1409697025393.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6700140 Well?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 08:44:45 2015 No.6700202 >>6700067 this. sheeple love posting that image

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 08:46:13 2015 No.6700208

>>6699854
It is difficult to know if one's delusions of grandeur actually amount to genius and it renders it a moot point. Generally, these men of great thought are often lonely by their nature. But it is in that loneliness that they can garner their great thought.

If anything defines a man's greatness, it is not himself but what others think of him or his creations.

Being well educated in the great thoughts of the past can save quite a bit of time in developing your own thought, but for me, it only gave the impression that every great thought within our world-view has already been thought.

Prove your genius to others by your contribution in writings and thought. Otherwise, jerk off to your own brilliance and we can enjoy literature.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 08:55:13 2015 No.6700225

>>6699920

IQ tests are culturally biased and outdated modes of attempting to reduce the concept of intelligence to how quickly a person can identify patterns and do mental math. They are wholly immaterial to anyone who believes intelligence is more than being the fastest walking calculator on the block.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 08:57:58 2015 No.6700231
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>>6699896

>an obedient cog in the great machine
>we don't have a single piece of media out there with elevated language
>Music has become a slave beat for drones

God, it's like I'm really back in freshman sociology

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 09:04:46 2015 No.6700254 If you were really a genius you'd figure out that there is interesting stuff in everyone.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 09:06:20 2015 No.6700261 >>6699854 I just listen to Vaporwave and cry for several hours daily. Then I write passive aggressive screeds aimed at my ex-girlfriend who I broke up with because of her distaste for the films of Nicolas Winding Refn

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Anonymous Wed Jun 17 09:18:46 2015 No.6700288

>>6699876
I'll agree that each individual has their own unique take on life. Sure some of their lives are, in a sense, duller than most, but that doesn't mean that their life lacks some sort of quality that makes them totally worthless. It's quite easy to think of others as inconsequential, but the truth is that almost everyone is their own story. Don't think you're better than anyone else just cause you got muh philosophy and muh literature. There's a lot of intelligent people who are completely shit in other ways. True genius only shows itself through an obscure combination of qualities.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 09:20:22 2015 No.6700292 >>6700065 Dear God I hate this image. Most people's self awareness on public transportation is awful.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 09:38:31 2015 No.6700338 File: 59 KB, 640x493, 1433622594614.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6700288 >Disney >The post

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 10:21:07 2015 No.6700442 >>6699876 Real shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 10:26:20 2015 No.6700457 >>6699854 >Do you guys ever feel extremely isolate and lonely in your genius? I'm going to assume that this was a troll thread. If not you need to get over yourself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 10:29:08 2015 No.6700463 File: 96 KB, 500x401, drivel.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6700261 Refn is a hack. Drive is shit. Your girlfriend is more patrish than u

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 10:46:02 2015 No.6700520 File: 127 KB, 500x729, 1433876996186.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6700261 whoah, so this is the power of the true patrician

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 10:48:04 2015 No.6700529 >>6699876 I think this man is correct.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 10:49:25 2015 No.6700533 File: 71 KB, 751x900, louis-aragon-1897-1982-french-poet-everett.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6699876 >tfw both rich and violent Living the literary lifestyle

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 10:57:17 2015 No.6700550 >>6699860 Retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:03:18 2015 No.6700570 >>6699854 I was with you until I made it to the Bach link. <sigh> I thought I had perhaps found another lonely genius in whom I might have found a bit of consolation, but -- alas! -- he is only a pretender. Now if you had posted Chopin...

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Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:08:36 2015 No.6700599

>>6700053
Completely same to be honest.

There are only one or maybe two people out of the hundreds I know that can really talk about anything in depth. Cooking, music, film, literature, hell, even video games, are all pretty normal things that most people interact with every single day of their lives, yet barely anybody has anything to say about any of it.

Which film directors do you enjoy the works of?
>I don't know.

What kind of music do you listen to?
>Whatever is on the radio.

What was the last book you read?
>I don't read. (Or YA)

What do you do in your free time?
>Hang out.(?)

Do you have any hobbies?
>Not really.

I just get so tired....

I had hoped when I started at uni a few years ago that the people there would be more interesting than the usual mass, as you needed a relatively high GPA to get in. Nope. Same boring, conversationally shallow people who's main conversation topics are "how wasted were you last night?" and "Who's coming to the nightclub on friday?". Nobody has any interests. Nobody reads. Nobody cares about music as long as it has a "sick bass beat" and the ones who actually listen to something outside radio can't talk about on even the most basic level. Nobody cares about films other than the current superhero blockbuster. I don't know what people interest themselves in. It feels like the passionate in-depth hobby is a myth for the most part.

I really want to know what these people do when they go home. I can't figure it out for the life of me.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:13:58 2015 No.6700624

>>6700599
Now I know there are smart people out there who are capable of conversation that isn't just small-talk. I have yet to find them.

The internet helps because people who feel the same way naturally flock to places like this. But in real life, I'm having a rough time even just talking to people and not being horribly bored on every level. At least people my own age.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:16:32 2015 No.6700633

You're almost there. You've learned that people have nothing but sickly love for themselves and have decided to love and care for yourself all the more because no one else can.

But you have to have the greatest contempt for yourself to go on further. A blinding contempt in which you no longer even care to think of yourself. And then everything will be done out of pure necessity and will be all the more freeing because of it.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:17:00 2015 No.6700635

>>6700599
You need a hug and so does OP. Feelings of being alone is what I usually go through when depressed. I'm not sure how else to fix it except with a help of friends (hug)(girlfriend might work even better). You can also become friends with those people that like to go out and drink but I never really felt like that was an option for me. I seriously don't like what they're doing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:17:01 2015 No.6700636 >>6700624 You're probably just shit at communicating. People would come to you if you were half-decent at expressing how great you are. Maybe you're just a dull, boring, uninteresting spectator.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:17:31 2015 No.6700637

>>6699854
When I was younger. I don't know how old you are - I am assuming under 21 or so - but it gets easier. At least for me it did.

>>6699860
NO YOU

>>6699865
Possibly the most vapid comment on what I suppose is the most intellectual board on here. I suppose the foundations of logic and reason which paved the way for modern science and intellectualism mean nothing. If you think this, you are not only stupid, you are uneducated.

>>6699902
Someone need philosophy! Read up on some of Stuart Mill. In general, things are what you make them - a new car, house, relationships, prom, and life as a whole. it seems like most people here are just stuck and playing the victim of their 'woe is me' attitude.

>>6699920
Boom goes the dynomite!!!!

>>6700054
Probably this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:18:01 2015 No.6700640 >>6700624 underage

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:19:16 2015 No.6700647 >>6700640 Yes, because if you started at uni "a few years ago" then you must be underage. You are not STEM I can tell.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:19:53 2015 No.6700655 >>6700636 Woah! Some serious projecting is going on here!

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:21:26 2015 No.6700663 >>6699854 >posting a link to Bach will surely underline my sentiments :---DD

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:25:27 2015 No.6700677 How many people ITT agree with OP? Do you actually go out and seek people or is this more of a pepe thing?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:26:13 2015 No.6700679 >>6700647 >implying I read all your posts also I'm not even in uni anymore

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:27:14 2015 No.6700684 >>6700655 >Whoops he is spot on, better use my joker "Projecting" card and dodge his accusation with my worthless rhetoric

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:27:30 2015 No.6700686

>>6700636
I try to talk to people all the time in the hope that they can carry a conversation. It always dies with the ball in their court. Most people I've talked to can't even answer the simple question of "What do you do in your free time?". That's not an exaggeration. Maybe they are too embarrassed to say that they watch television all day or browse facebook. But I would rather have them say something rather than nothing.

>expressing how great you are

I try to minimize all forms of public narcissistic behavior and keep a humble exterior as best I can. People here don't like people who exude and aura of "I'm better than you in some way". Jante-Law and all that.

And stop projecting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:28:30 2015 No.6700690 >>6700679 I don't know what you are going for here.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:29:04 2015 No.6700692 >>6699860 yah no one is intellectual like satie :D

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:30:50 2015 No.6700698 People are generally dumb. Just take a glance at the top rated films on IMDB. And then consider suicide. Most people don't like to be emotionally or intellectually challenged.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:31:30 2015 No.6700704

>>6700677
OP is just another edgy teenager who has probably read too much Nietzsche and watched American Psycho and subsequently thinks he's the king of the universe. Wait until he leaves college and is forced to communicate with other people and he will realize that the measure of a person's worth isn't how well-acquainted they are with the works of dead European philosophers. Anyone who considers themselves a genius can be safely dismissed from that extremely rare group of human beings.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:32:01 2015 No.6700709 File: 29 KB, 604x453, 1433115725480.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6700570 10/10 subversive post

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:34:10 2015 No.6700719 >>6700686 Whether he is projecting or not. >I try to talk to people all the time in the hope that they can carry a conversation. It always dies with the ball in their court. You have full autism and you're uninteresting to talk to.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:35:03 2015 No.6700721 >>6700704 Except for your last sentence, goddammit you nailed it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:35:59 2015 No.6700725 >>6700690 Of course you don't buddy

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:36:55 2015 No.6700730 >>6699854 yeah everyones dumb except for me. you guys would probably know what im talking about, but unfortunately youre probably dumb too (compared to me at least)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:38:06 2015 No.6700733 >>6700721 Y-you too

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:40:15 2015 No.6700739 File: 537 KB, 500x703, 83184968.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6699876 He's right you know?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:40:32 2015 No.6700741 >>6700719 People are uninteresting to talk to.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:41:24 2015 No.6700745 >>6700599 >Which film directors do you enjoy the works of? >What was the last book you read? >Do you have any hobbies? >What kind of music do you listen to? >What do you do in your free time? 3/5, you have medium autism with fries

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:41:31 2015 No.6700746 >>6700741 Guess you are not able to bring out the best out of people then. Worry not, you can train your charisma.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:42:24 2015 No.6700749 File: 444 KB, 631x603, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Relevant pic

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:42:48 2015 No.6700750 >>6700745 There is nothing at all wrong with using any of those as conversation starters once introduced.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:44:09 2015 No.6700755 >>6700741 Nope, they're really not. You've just justified your lack of social skills by convincing yourself they're not worth having anyway. Must suck being actually autistic.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:45:28 2015 No.6700763 >>6700755 I talk to people all the time. Every single day. Most are boring. Chalk it up to social skills all you want, but this is not a one-way street.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:45:30 2015 No.6700764 >>6700750 LOL

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:46:29 2015 No.6700771 >>6700764 Valid response.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:47:22 2015 No.6700773 >>6700750 It's also best to ask them one after another without waiting for an answer

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:49:31 2015 No.6700786

>>6700763
>most are boring

Again, it's likely that you are just incapable of appealing to people in a way that would make them want to share anything but superficial information with you. I'm not saying everyone is a laugh-a-minute or knows a ton of shit of something you would find interesting but considering there are 365 days in a year and many years in a person's life if it's safe to assume they have at least experiences things they remember over others and that they would relate to you were you not such an insufferable brat.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:50:51 2015 No.6700795 >>6700786 O! You trollzored me again!!! YOU LITTLE HOODWINKER!

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:51:02 2015 No.6700796

This thread is making be depressed.

There are people who think all other people are dumb and then there are people who think the opposite is true, using words like autist.

People are generally dumb. Even us. But we are dumb on a different level. Everyone is dumb. Everyone calls everyone an idiot for thinking like they do.

The sheer fact that we are here on the literature board of a American-Chinese Anime forum and discussing....

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:52:45 2015 No.6700804 >>6700796 Yea but a good portion participating in this thread have a mental illness which causes them to be argumentitive and contrary to anyone no matter what. I would love to, for once, see someone agreeing with their opponent--reverse trolling lol.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:52:48 2015 No.6700805 >>6700599 The modern age solipsistic attitude creates solipsists of us all. It's basically reflexive solipsism.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:53:06 2015 No.6700806

>>6700741
This is how I can tell you have autism. You suck at communication and socializing in general. This is your problem. Learn how to talk to people then worry about what to talk about. The funny thing is by that time you won't care about the latter nearly as much as you do now. Sorry but no, you're uninteresting to talk to. And you have full fucking autism. Seek help.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:53:37 2015 No.6700807 >>6700786 I'm a charming guy. I really am. The vast majority of people under the age of 35 have nothing to say.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:55:10 2015 No.6700811 >lol autist lern how to talk to people >provide nothing of value whatsoever At least help the poor guy out.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:56:11 2015 No.6700816 >>6700805 How would one counter that mindset? All evidence points towards the mass population being droolers.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:56:11 2015 No.6700817 >>6700796 Autism in the sense of circlejerking over their superior intelligence and using that as a justification for sucking at people. That is autism.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:57:53 2015 No.6700822 >>6700749 And yet in every interview he is able to bring out the best in people, something OP has no clue about. >>6700750 No, three of those are wrong. Very wrong. Unless I misinterpret "introduced".

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:58:47 2015 No.6700824

>>6700817
But have you considered the fact that people here might just actually be more intelligent than the average pedestrian and that every human interaction results in utter boredom for them?

It's so easy to call people wrong than to consider the possibility of them being right.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 11:59:55 2015 No.6700826 >>6700822 I think "introduced" was meant as the two people talking have shared their names in a social setting and now must engage in a dialogue about something related to the setting.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:00:47 2015 No.6700830 lol there is literally one person in this thread spamming autism in every post, it's crazy. >>6700806 >>6700817 >>6700745 >>6700719

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:01:16 2015 No.6700832 >tfw OP is actually one of those people >I am one of those people for calling him out on it >the cycle continues >everybody is a pleb

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:01:22 2015 No.6700833 A girl is sitting next to you in a cafe. You want to talk to her. You want it to be interesting on some capacity other than one-sided mental games. What do you say?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:02:22 2015 No.6700834 >>6700830 Yeah, someone seems very insecure and keeps spouting the A-word instead of actually saying anything.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:03:33 2015 No.6700840 File: 114 KB, 863x1098, 54fc167376e2a8771f01[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What do you guys think of the law of Jante?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:03:57 2015 No.6700843 >>6700816 Therein lies the tragedy of it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:04:34 2015 No.6700846 >>6700840 >Scandinavian Dropped

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:05:34 2015 No.6700850 >>6700833 >talking to females This is why you're a pleb

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:08:05 2015 No.6700857

>>6700824
>and that every human interaction results in utter boredom for them?
I may be biased here because I'm friends with a sociable professor but sorry, that is an oversimplification that will only hurt OP and apparently you because you bought into it. If all else fails, just troll the "pedestrians". There, fun interaction. Or just seek out people who are fun to be around like Stirner did and keep a distance from everyone else. This is such a no-brainer that I can only guess that people like OP don't actually want to change. They just want to feel smug.

>>6700826
In that case refer to my original post. Film directors and books are niche unless you know enough about the person to assume they would have an interesting answer. Asking someone if they have "any hobbies" is just poor form imo. So 2-3/5 on the autism scale.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:13:19 2015 No.6700875 If all evidence points towards people being mindless droolers, why are so many here adamant to prove that "you just gotta push the right buttons and they will open up for deep and interesting conversation". Do many people even have it in them?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:14:59 2015 No.6700886 >>6699992 Because you still you desire self-actualization through other human beings and that makes you profoundly flawed.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:16:19 2015 No.6700894 >>6700599 How is discussing film directors any different from discussing what you drank last night? Both are a superficial exchange of signs, and in the latter there is more chance of both parties being able to read the same set of signs.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:16:37 2015 No.6700897

>>6700857
What do people talk about that isn't a niche?

Parties? Drinking? Facebook? Hanging out? Cars? Driving? Please tell me as I clearly do not know.

There isn't anything. There is no such thing as a generic topic that also sparks interest. People shouldn't be treated like children, but it seems a requirement.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:17:04 2015 No.6700899
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>Meet girl in summer of 2011
>We talk for 2 hours while she is working on a slow day at starbucks
>She wants me badly and madly
>I did and didn't sorta
>Fast forward to summer of 2015
>Bump into her again by accident at a bar, she's working as a barmaid now, scantly clad
>She looks familiar, and I ask her if she ever worked at starbucks, and she did and I remind her that we met a long time ago, and that I know her father is czech
>She is amazed
>I say something inappropriate on purpose
>She scolds me
>I apologize
>She gives me a double shot instead of a single when I order drinks, but acts aloof and hard to get
>Someone else enters the bar who I don't really like or want to see
>Leave immediately without saying good bye
>fastforward 2 weeks
>Can't get her out of my head
>Decide to try to catch her at work again
>Catch at the same place and same time, but she isn't working
>Perfect
>Make my way closer to her
>She is talking with another guy
>Instantly lose all attraction to her, never want to see her again
>Guy and his hot wife who are sitting beside me start talking to me
>Barmaid leaves the bar without me noticing at all
>Drunk guy is a decent enough fellow
>The band is playing really loud, and they're playing crummy songs
>The drunk guy starts rudely berating the band and calling them "gay"
>I realize I'm in the company of a dumb drunk
>Say good evening the drunkard and politely slip out of the place

These are "people". That is how real life goes...vulgar, boring, and without the least bit of inspiration in their soul.

It's all about MONEY and POWER.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:18:08 2015 No.6700904 >>6700894 If you boil it down like that then there is no non-superficial exchange of words between two people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:19:16 2015 No.6700911 When will you people realize that you will never be intellectually stimulated by conversation with another person and withdraw into a life of seclusion and bitterness?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:20:57 2015 No.6700918 File: 1.99 MB, 1900x1796, 1405483630892.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6700911 Done and done--though it would be nice to live a epicurean bro-ship tier monastic style of life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:21:27 2015 No.6700920 >>6700911 One step ahead of you bud

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:22:14 2015 No.6700921 >>6700899 >>She is talking with another guy >>Instantly lose all attraction to her, never want to see her again Will you guys ever learn?

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:22:42 2015 No.6700923

>not just becoming a daoist
You think you have climbed above others but you're all in the same place on the same treadmill, no difference whether you know you're on it or not. Your distractions from our fundamental reality are different than most, so you are lonely. Still, your games are the same, yet you are separated.

I can't feel any empathy for this because you do it to yourself. Maybe if you valued the journey to and from more than the destinations, the routine and maintenance more than what you do with the maintained things, replaced the personal with the outward you'd be fine. The birds never stop chirping outside my house, the grass doesn't stop going, yet apparently us humans have it figured out with our thinking when we still end up iin the same damn place and that deaf dumb blind barbarous nature is going to eat our husks of flesh and we are powerless to stop it.

You lot are just as depressing as the others, if I could feel depressed about that emo tier self lamenting of ego's anymore. Now it sounds just like the chirping of the birds.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:23:21 2015 No.6700924 >>6700923 >projecting

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:23:40 2015 No.6700925 >unironically being 14

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:24:47 2015 No.6700930 >>6700923 >GUYS! CHINESE STOICISM LOL! Ya, you got it all figured out kiddo.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:25:10 2015 No.6700932 >>6700904 Conversing for the topic is equivalent to reading for the plot tbh

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:26:10 2015 No.6700937

>>6700897
Calm down man. It's not about a list. It's about making smart assumptions from previous experiences and the person you're talking to. How much do you know? If you know nothing, don't ask about fucking film directors if you don't want to hear Tarantino/idunnolol 99% of the time. This is a no-brainer, you must surely agree.

And yes, in that regard most things are niche including your list. You just figure out from experience what people are into. Often just by looking at the guy and knowing what his major is or something.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:28:05 2015 No.6700939 File: 577 KB, 685x630, tmp_21000-1434249597332-1455842800.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6700923 Forgot pic

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:29:03 2015 No.6700942 >>6700899 >She is talking with another guy >Instantly lose all attraction to her, never want to see her again You're as vapid as the rest of them. You where right where you belonged.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:29:42 2015 No.6700945 >>6700749 >Borat of philosophy

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:30:41 2015 No.6700949

>>6700911
Been there for years, but mostly because I'm terrified of people. Broken bones, disease, death -- these things are nothing to me. But even a few minutes spent in the suburbs and I can barely breathe. Is there anything more terrifying than suburban, middle class America? The only thing more frightening is trying to talk to well-adjusted teens and young adults, with their strange music, their sports, their drugs, their ugly clothes, their ugly tattoos, their ugly piercings. The average businessman might be worse, but I don't even want to think of that. I'll stick to solitude, thanks.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:31:35 2015 No.6700953 >>6700930 >DUDE ALL CAPS NON REPLY AYY LMAO Keep chirping. I had a sandwich earlier and it was delicious, tens of thousands starved between now and then, I am glad to be in comfort.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:31:38 2015 No.6700954 >>6700937 What's your Major? > Cool. Why did you go for that? >I don't know. Had to choose something.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:34:09 2015 No.6700960 I bet OP is that greasy nerd who makes small talk at the check-out line and then wonders why no one has anything interesting to say.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:36:06 2015 No.6700965 >>6700954 Now this is a lie. Majors are one of the few things almost everyone has something to say on, even if its just "Its apealing to me/will make me a lot of money."

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:37:35 2015 No.6700969

>>6700937
I get what you are saying but that is just so incredibly hard to do when you are conversing with a piece of toast who can barely answer simple questions like "What do you like to do?", or even the followup to "Where are you from?"; "Did you like it there?". Yes, people need to be helped into opening up, but with no history there is nothing other than small bullshit which leads to patronizing.

I need to work on my charisma because either everybody is working as hard as they can to keep everything secret from me or 99% of people have nothing going on in their lives.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:39:57 2015 No.6700976 >>6700965 Would you pursue further dialogue if the person had a bullshit shallow reason for choosing which educational path to take?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:43:13 2015 No.6700982 >>6700954 >Cool. Why did you go for that? You're immediately making yourself unpopular with that "cool" if you don't really mean it. Also why would they tell you if they don't like you?

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:45:55 2015 No.6700992

>>6700969
Have you tried being edgy and skipping all of that boring stuff? Charismatic people do it all the time. Just don't forget to put on your "teehee I'm being edgy on purpose but we all know I'm the master socializer, we cool dawg" face. Schwarzenegger does this a lot.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:52:11 2015 No.6701013

>>6700976

By what parameter is a reason for a major 'bullshit?' Also, you where originally insinuating that people frequently have no reason at all even though in a capitalistic society one's major is one of the few things people will always give thought to, even if it is shallow.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 12:53:28 2015 No.6701023

>>6700911
I went full shut-in mode for some years and it was mostly terrible, but in the end I achieved a profound spiritual and intellectual enlightenment that rid me of all social anxiety and depression. I still have no friends now, but every moment is filled with joy and I can easily make conversation with just about anyone, something that used to be impossible.

A lot of people say that social anxiety is cured by exposure. Absolute nonsense. What's required is to unlock the power of your mind through self-reflection, in order to consciously rearrange your instinctive emotional responses. Talking to normal people becomes so much easier when you're truly at ease by your own means. That doesn't mean you'll be friends with them, because your personal hobbies can be best enjoyed alone, but you needn't feel lonely either because you are an enlightened man in a beautiful world and, in a sense, anyone can be your temporary friend if you can make good conversation and then happily go your own way at the end of it.

If you think you're such a genius, then learn to be happy on your own, and to appreciate any good-natured strangers you happen to meet, regardless of their interests, without needing their prolonged affection. You might find someone one day, with whom you'll share a genuine bond, but until then there's no reason to worry.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 13:01:38 2015 No.6701064
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>If you want people to take an interest in you, draw it out of them and don’t remain uninteresting sacred beings holding out your sacred humanity like a sacred robe and crying like beggars: “Respect our humanity, that is sacred!”

>Egoism, as Stirner uses it, is not opposed to love nor to thought; it is no enemy of the sweet life of love, nor of devotion and sacrifice; it is no enemy of intimate warmth, but it is also no enemy of critique, nor of socialism, nor, in short, of any actual interest. It doesn’t exclude any interest. It is directed against only disinterestedness and the uninteresting; not against love, but against sacred love, not against thought, but against sacred thought, not against socialists, but against sacred socialists, etc.

>The “exclusiveness” of the egoist, which some want to pass off as isolation, separation, loneliness, is on the contrary full participation in the interesting by—exclusion of the uninteresting.

>No one gives Stirner credit for his global intercourse and his union of egoists from the largest section of his book, “My Intercourse.”
*Ahem* Thank you Wolfi.

Now go on little ones, study the word of Saint Max and don't come back before you had intercourse.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 13:24:45 2015 No.6701152

I came to this thread because I wanted something to talk to, but it's clear op isn't very smart
You're alone in your empathy, and probably social retardation, more than you are your genius (what made you feel you even had the right to say that)
Even on this board the stupidity of people is apparent. Most aren't capable of independent thought, and none have any brilliance

I've never really read philosophy. I like phenomenology of spirit, but only because it allowed me to project my beliefs onto it. It's been years since of touched it so I can't even say if it's valid
I have Nietzscheian thoughts, but I couldn't read any of his whole books, and my ideas encompass a lot more in scope
I feel like I could beat anyone here in a philosophical debate, and I'd welcome one

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 13:40:12 2015 No.6701215 File: 438 KB, 1173x2048, fishing.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6699854 >Do you guys ever feel extremely isolate and lonely in your genius? Like most people I feel extremely genius in my isolation and loneliness.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 13:40:55 2015 No.6701219 >>6701152 probably because you're an arrogant little child whose beliefs have never been challenged

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 13:43:49 2015 No.6701232

I'm stuck between believing that I'm "better" than most people despite the fact that I haven't accomplished anything really great and believing that I'm rather normal despite the fact that I'm concidered a skillful intellectual by most people who know me.

Since believing wrongly that I'm normal, perhaps believing that I'm fucking awesome would be beneficial (fake it 'till you make it style)?

Wat do?

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 13:45:34 2015 No.6701240

>>6699854
people always fail to see that when we look at our past we will see romanticized version of things that where consistent. Obviously a bad moment will remain a bad moment, but something long term from the past will always seem romantically amazing, thus why we see era's and the past as some sought of awesome adventure.

The truth OP is that people are naturally inherently selfish, they do almost everything to suit themselves, you think that people who help other people do it just because -- but the real reason is actually they do it because they would feel bad in themselves if they didn't.

It's not a bad thing the problem is when you start to question whats genuine in people? The actuality is though that everyone is genuine but we are genuine for being selfish and hypocritical at times, it's a human flaw when you cross primal nature with social barriers, language and convincing yourself. See the words trick us to believe otherwise, it's a really good example of how easy it is to manipulate ourselves and people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 14:03:59 2015 No.6701334 >>6701232 >fake it 'till you make it Yeah, you're normal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 14:09:51 2015 No.6701359 >>6699920 >Using IQ and test scores as a measure of intelligence rather than real world success The American public school system, ladies and gentlemen

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 14:09:56 2015 No.6701360 is this thread satire?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 14:16:18 2015 No.6701390 >>6701360 I recommend reading every /lit/ thread as satire, it's the possibly only way to enjoy it.

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 14:27:09 2015 No.6701417

>>6701334
Fuck, I forgot part of my sentence. My autism is showing.
>Since believing wrongly that I'm normal is worst than the opposite, [...]

I mean that thinking that one is the best in the world would give confidence, which is the key to being alpha and good at socializing. (isn't it?)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 14:30:35 2015 No.6701432 You remind me of my friend who paid some website $25 to get the results of an IQ test he took and it told him he was a genius.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 14:40:44 2015 No.6701470 >>6701390 there is no way to enjoy it since the quality is low. blame the sheer amount of plebs from the american backwoods. if you want an enjoyable thread move to another chan. the japs and the russians are better.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 14:50:15 2015 No.6701517 >>6700053 THIS. YES. >>6699854 THIS. DIE. My God, get the fuck over yourself. I can't stand arrogant fuckards that literally think they are geniuses. LITERALLY. THEY DO. wowow calm down thisissattireithastobe

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 14:55:12 2015 No.6701535 >>6699876 What are you doing in your life?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 14:56:20 2015 No.6701544 >>6701517 >I can't stand arrogant fuckards that literally think they are geniuses. LITERALLY. THEY DO. What if they are geniuses and you're just a jealous faggot hating them for your lack of accomplishment?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 14:56:50 2015 No.6701546 >>6699854 >im a genius >people are narcissistic

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 14:58:16 2015 No.6701552 I've noticed that people generally don't think things through.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 14:59:20 2015 No.6701565 >>6699920 >Spacial recognition is an accurate measure of intelligence >there is one kind of intelligence underage, reported

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 15:01:10 2015 No.6701570 ITT: Misunderstood Genius Circle-jerk

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 15:03:07 2015 No.6701577 >>6701470 This guy just posts here because he likes to remind everyone of the riveting discussions he has on other boards. Thanks for the daily reminder, anon

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 15:41:14 2015 No.6701728 >>6699854 Go to bed, Mikhael

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 15:42:14 2015 No.6701735 >>6699854 You just need to go out more. Go to a bar and talk to people.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 15:47:19 2015 No.6701751 >>6701552 Yup, absolutely no continuity in the majority of people's (re)actions. It's all just self interested, in the moment, bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 15:50:09 2015 No.6701763 >>6701219 Not enough, and there's apparently no one on this site fit to challenge them

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 16:10:08 2015 No.6701847 >>6699854 Im a narcisistic hedonist right here. But i got to this via making my own opinions. I have pretty much no friend that agrees with my view on things.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 16:21:19 2015 No.6701918 File: 978 KB, 442x320, 1432268569929.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6701432

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 16:53:35 2015 No.6702098 >>6699965 >Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled. This

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 17:31:57 2015 No.6702254 I laughed at every single post ITT.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 19:20:17 2015 No.6702767 File: 2.87 MB, 320x240, giggle.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw this thread

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 19:38:14 2015 No.6702847 File: 58 KB, 625x483, funnyjunk.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6702254

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 19:39:55 2015 No.6702854 >>6699854 i dated a girl who met that criteria. we dated for a year. happiest i've ever been in my life.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 19:41:21 2015 No.6702858 >>6702854 Why'd you break up?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 19:42:54 2015 No.6702864 File: 24 KB, 154x128, OP.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6699854

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 19:50:07 2015 No.6702891 File: 539 KB, 957x710, dfw11.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT http://www.clickhole.com/article/7-nihilistic-quotes-only-brilliant-misunderstood-y-1324

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 19:54:17 2015 No.6702906 File: 34 KB, 356x333, 1433115567420.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6699876 >rats doing tricks for cheese reading this made me uncomfortable

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 20:13:10 2015 No.6702938

>>6702858
distance. she lived in finland and i lived in texas. she just met cooler people than me and, well, yeah.

it fucked with me for a long time because i realized that i was worth leaving. had to reflect a lot and make changes and i still am.

dating is a nightmare though. i can't shake the standard she set. the few weeks we spent together, we would just lay in bed and talk about philosophy and stupid shit we thought, complete vulnerability. we connected on almost every level. but, shit happens.

it will be 4 years since she dumped me in august and it still fucks with me. i've dated hotter and 'cooler' girls than her, but none really matched her mystery and independence and that was what captivated me so much. fuck why am i typing this

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 20:16:57 2015 No.6702952
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What if there are actually various degrees of consciousness in humans?
Think it as a possibly realistic weak version of philosophical zombies, where some humans are more "basic" and "action-based" while others are more "intricate" and "thoughtful", due to different developments in their brain, provoked maybe by some kind of mutation or something.
Nothing that has necessarily to do with spatial intelligence or anything.

I don't consider myself a genius like OP, but I share some feelings with some anons in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 20:19:47 2015 No.6702960 File: 231 KB, 2000x1000, Can+confirm+am+mr+skeletal+and+mr+drunk+man+_6b15645e6a81d58d8ffb57fc2c3fc5db.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6699854 The more you isolate yourself from society and reality the better, trust me, OP.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 20:20:47 2015 No.6702965 >>6700292 People go into zombie-mode on public transportation. It's like "read a fucking book or something for christ-sake".

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 20:21:46 2015 No.6702966

>>6702938
Thanks for sharing. You're lucky to have found someone like that, even if it didn't last. I've never had a girlfriend (or any other sort of friend) with whom I've really connected like that. Sorry it didn't work out. At least you gained some pleasant memories from it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 20:22:43 2015 No.6702968 File: 101 KB, 518x570, w031230a113.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6702952

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 20:24:30 2015 No.6702972 File: 23 KB, 750x750, 1432679977061.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6702968 that's just an average snowflake i bet there's fancy ass 3d ones out there

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 20:24:38 2015 No.6702973 >>6699854 You sound like a bitch-ass nerd holy shit what a fuckboy

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 20:27:10 2015 No.6702979 >>6702972 What's the significance of the last black vignette?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 20:27:53 2015 No.6702981 >>6702973 What is a "fuckboy"? I hear a lot of urban black and latina girls use this word.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 20:28:06 2015 No.6702982 >>6699910 i don't think it's b8, I just think he's immature. I thought the same thing in middle school. hate to bring leddit into this but there's a subreddit call r/iamverysmart dedicated to people like this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 20:28:27 2015 No.6702984 >>6699860 die gay fag

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 20:28:46 2015 No.6702985 File: 133 KB, 750x750, 1430996744308.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6702979 ded I guess

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 20:29:50 2015 No.6702987 >>6702981 "A weak ass nigga who ain't about shit"

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 20:29:59 2015 No.6702988 >>6702985 Two deep four me.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 20:53:39 2015 No.6703066 teach me how to socialize

Anonymous Wed Jun 17 21:30:04 2015 No.6703188
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I thought /lit/ was 20+ years on average, I now see that the average should be around 16-17

This is seriously babby's first existential crisis, you guys probably haven't lived even half of your lifes and you are here in a taiwanese 2d-sculpture internet tabloid to bitch about your 'intellect' and the loneliness you feel inside. You probably don't get your ass out of the computer or don't do any amount of hardwork to socialize out of the internet either (sports, local clubs about your interests, workout, etc...), people won't be super interesting up front, you have to know them and make them open to you.

Hell, even if they don't have an strong opinion about what some European Philosopher said, they still have thoughts about Loyalty, Ethics, Honor, Love, Freedom, etc... all interesting themes that many books write about, but why the fuck would most people say:

>Hey, I'm X and I belive that the moral deontology that Kant created on the Critique of Practical Reason is one of the most interesting works of human thought and it has really influenced my actions through very critical parts of my life. Plus, trying to apply rules about ethics/morality on ANY being able to possess rational thought is incredible!

in any context but if you bring it up trying to sound intellectual. If you work hard enough on meeting and knowing people, you will know their thoughts and values, not because they will say them, but because you will be able to 'notice' it in the way they behave.

Now that's only if you want to do something as 'autistical' as that, but my point is: people all around the world are interesting and 'deep' if you work hard enough to know them, but no one will be 'deep' if you only try to do small-talk and make a whole personality profile out of 5 mins of talking. As with all things in life, you gotta work your ass off to get results.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 21:33:25 2015 No.6703209 >>6703066 U serious?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 21:34:56 2015 No.6703220 >>6703209 I b

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 21:47:06 2015 No.6703287 >>6699869 Not OP but you can't deny that the advent of the internet has changed society in many ways. Things haven't been the same now that we are a pop, meme and porn obssessed culture.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 21:48:54 2015 No.6703294 >>6700053 This. To OP who thinks he's a "delightful person": you sound like an insufferable cuntnugget. Maybe the reason why you have trouble talking to people is because they're turned off by how annoying you are?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 21:54:55 2015 No.6703317 >>6700899 >>The drunk guy starts rudely berating the band and calling them "gay" This is the sign of a chill, fratty bro. Clearly you're NOT chill or fratty.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 21:57:56 2015 No.6703331 >>6700939 i don't get thisa picture. wittgenstein was a buckwild mystic who was obsessed with jesus and spent his life doing all manner of crazy shit to satisfy his philosophy (see him in ww1 for an example).

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 22:35:00 2015 No.6703442 >>6700750 >>6700745 >What's your favourite meme?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 23:14:37 2015 No.6703553 >>6700599 how is that possible, I don't believe you.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 23:19:10 2015 No.6703572 File: 57 KB, 722x349, 1413441084855.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This abomination of a thread from last night is still going

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 23:24:19 2015 No.6703591 File: 40 KB, 399x388, 1374274808934.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw smart but lazy

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 23:25:53 2015 No.6703601 >>6703591 most of usare that way

>>	Anonymous Wed Jun 17 23:28:14 2015 No.6703611 >>6703601 Most people are stupid, but driven.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 00:17:57 2015 No.6703829

>>6699854
The unfortunate truth is that humans like it or not, vary. Don't expect so much out of people. Sure they may have not read Ulysses or whathaveyou but don't let that deter you. People act for themselves because thats who they're looking out for, themselves.

If these people are as you say, parrots, challenge them. The harsh truth is a lot of people are complacent with their position in life and bring their opinions in tow. You have to get over yourself and your own narcissism, and roll with what life dolls out. The struggle is real but it can be beat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-mAMH5S6VA

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 00:21:21 2015 No.6703842 File: 33 KB, 300x250, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6703611 Let me fix that for you: most people are driven by spooks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 00:28:34 2015 No.6703879 >>6699860 F A G A G

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 00:31:08 2015 No.6703896 >>6699876 I think this is pretty accurate

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 00:37:25 2015 No.6703928
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I'm isolated by my genius, which isn't to say genius in general, because at a greater stage if which, I'd find a way to not be so isolated

But I haven't met an intellectual equal. On this board especially, I feel isolated by my, I guess, intelligence, because here is a place that claims to have a culture of intelligence. If I post something deep it'll be ignored, or may kill threads
Recently, on an otherwise exceptional post, someone replied 'awful post' because I posted my picture and was obviously kind of arrogant

The only time I've actually been validated here was when I put Ulysses into context during a post
The minds of you people, and aspiring intellectuals in general, are one track. You lack some combination of the confidence and the mental foundation to form your own opinions, and deem credit where it hasn't been popularized. And my running parallel to establishment doesn't work in my favor, which I admit is some fault of mine

I'm isolated socially in this context, because I lack the confidence to be my own. I've never been a doer, and it's a desire to have a follower, or at least a partner, before the fact. People require for you to already be doing

A small example is my wanting to make a movie
>ask my friend if he wants to make a movie, he says no
>think an opening scene and tell him, and we're bouncing ideas off of eachother
Greatness, at least in my situation, is defined by the ability to be independent. Which I'm not

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 00:52:10 2015 No.6703971 >>6700067 They should make him black because the man is African American now

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 00:53:16 2015 No.6703976

>>6699896
It makes sense that a relatively true post ends up being something others here insult
People are too focused on social norms, without realizing things could be better

Many people are of the opinion that the status quo is the best possibility

I mentioned to my friend that I disliked the thought of eating the absolute lowest animals on the totem pole, mentioning that eagle, bear, and lion might be really good. He said they were probably disgusting, without realizing that they're the most commonly eaten because they are the cheapest to breed and maintain, he actually said that we eat the foods that we eat because they're the best tasting

Look at politics; at presidential speeches. There's no emotion, no character, no real change, no nothing
We need a Real leader

People let the mass think for themselves, I think most know that things could be better and we're suffering from a massive bystander effect

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 00:56:21 2015 No.6703989 >>6703971 Capitol hill is in the background and he's in an office high rise The guy is a CEO or something

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 01:07:34 2015 No.6704018 >>6703928 just shut up and do things jesus christ you worthless child

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 01:10:40 2015 No.6704023 >>6704018 I all but said that I'm going to

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 01:11:46 2015 No.6704028 >>6704018 You're an asshole

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 01:15:49 2015 No.6704039 >>6703928 dude, when was the last time you had your dick sucked? I'm serious, not patronizing. >>6704028

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 01:15:57 2015 No.6704040 File: 229 KB, 433x470, ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6704018 This >>6704023 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuHfVn_cfHU

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 01:20:24 2015 No.6704052 >>6701023 This was useful to me, thank you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 01:29:15 2015 No.6704075 >>6704040 is this supposed to be meta modernism?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 01:29:37 2015 No.6704077 >>6704040 This guy just fucking cracks me up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 01:35:57 2015 No.6704099 File: 4 KB, 211x211, 1395931521689.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6703928 JUST DO IT

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 01:54:12 2015 No.6704163 >>6704039 When was the last time you had it sucked you virgin?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 01:54:28 2015 No.6704165 >>6700599 You're in the wrong place, not all places are that bad.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 01:57:15 2015 No.6704172 >>6700949 This.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 01:58:00 2015 No.6704176
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>>6699854
>I'm just so much smarter than everyone else and I'm misunderstood, thats why I can't get along with anyone else

Shut the fuck up, people smarter than you have managed to live full and complete lives publicly and privately. Stop complaining and just be a better person.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:00:27 2015 No.6704182
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What do you guys think about my ideas on glass?

Everyone I've tried to explain this to either says they don't understand or some stupid shit like "hurr the glass refracts the light".

I've had some decent responses on academic philosophy forums, but basically nothing from anyone else.

what do you guys think? Is glass/water/clear things see-through? Or does the depth of your visual field end at the objects surface like all other objects?

When you look in the mirror, are you actually looking at your own face, or behind you? If not, then wouldn't glass just be like a mirror, except instead of displaying light from in front of it, it displays light coming from behind?

An analogy would be, say you are driving your car, but instead of a windscreen, you have rigged up a lcd screen, and a camera connected to the t.v. on the outside of the screen (i.e. facing the road), which also aligns with your eyes, moving left and right so it takes in data from the outside world aligned with where your head is turned.

Now your friend one day asks to borrow your car. He gets in, but you haven't told him about the untra high def lcd screen displaying light taken in from the world outside the car, and your friend, not knowing it's a screen, says and thinks the 'windscreen' is see-through, and the objects he sees in it are the very same thing as objects befond the tv screen (out in the road in front of the car).

This is how glass (and mirrors) work. They aren't see-through, rather they display and image from light taken from the other side, and you mistake the image you see, for the actual objects existing beyond the glass. You never actually see your own face, in a mirror. Rather you just mmistake the image seen on the surface, for the direction of your visual field being magically portalled/reversed backwards, as if you can look at objects behind you even though your eyes are facing forwards.

I would be VERY interested to hear from people who either agree with me, or someone who disagrees and has an actual debate response why (as in, paragraphs).

I'm very keen to be proven wrong, because I feel claustraphobic now driving a car, or on the bus. Because I feel the depth of my visual field only extends to the inner surface of the windscreen, and esssentially theres a solid object blocking me from seeing the road in front (unlike a car with no windscreen). And I'm reminded everytime I roll my window halfway down, and look at my side mirror. The half of the side mirror that my window does not come in front (because it has been rolled down) never quite perfectly matches the half seen 'through' the mirror. I am reminded that I am only seeing one half of it, and mistaking a 2D image of the surface of my window for the continuing other half of the wing mirror. The join never quite matches, and the half in the mirror looks slightly different (tinted/slightly warped by the glass/

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:01:08 2015 No.6704184

>>6699907
If all you're seeing in others is beer, facebook and cock waving, it means one of three things:

1. You live in a shit area and believe this is the whole world. This kind of thinking would be surprising of a genius, but i any kind, move.
2. You don't actually interact with people and use cardboard stereotypes to rationlize you loneliness.
3. You are yourself a superficial person that spends too much time on facebook.

I took the time to post this because there is a small likelihood you're genuine. If that's the case, get off 4chan for a while (because there is nothing more sad and ironic than complaining about other people's degeneracy on 4chan), and even from the internet, and take some time to reflect on your life. Good luck.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:04:48 2015 No.6704197
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>>6704182
here's another picture explaining the 'bent-pencil' illusion

it's not a continuous pencil youre seeing. rather the only part of the pencil you're looking at is the part aboe the lip of the glass, not behind any glass. The depth of your visual field ends at the outer surface of the glass, and you mistake the image (in this case, a penicl appearing to be disjointed multiple times) seen on that surface for the lower half of the pencil, noumenally existing below the lip.

Like I said please only respond if you completely understand the concept and either agree, or if you disagree please write extensively why in proper debate format.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:06:50 2015 No.6704201 >>6700599 Every time I see a post like this, I wonder where do you guys live. Nearly everyone around me has interesting answers to most of these questions, if anything they'll be the ones to ask them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:10:02 2015 No.6704208 >>6704182 You are all wrong really. Light particles can go through some kinds of solid matter. In this case, glass. So you are able to see the light of what is behind it. I don't understand your argument on the whole thing being an illusion.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:12:51 2015 No.6704218 >>6704182 >>6704184 1. you are my favorite /lit/ poster. please know that I mean that sincerely 2. hurr durr glass refracts light

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:14:03 2015 No.6704220 >>6704182 You might enjoy this. https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Double-slit_experiment

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:14:12 2015 No.6704222 >>6700816 What evidence ? Have you anything that's not cherry-picking or a reflection of you not trying hard enough ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:15:31 2015 No.6704226 your ego is so big im surprised you dont capitalize every single letter

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:18:36 2015 No.6704233 >>6700899 This is pretty good satire, and more subtle than 90% of what you could read in here. 8/10 i.f not 9/10

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:20:49 2015 No.6704237

>>6700904
Exhanging is not listing things you like. If you want to interact with people you have to get them talking about something that's a core part of their life experience, which is a bit harder than "what hobbies do you have" since it requires to shun premade conversation procedures and actually paying attention to the person you're talking to.

I repeat, this is not easy, but pretending people are uninteresting because you can't do it is as smug as it is ignorant.

>>	bodan Thu Jun 18 02:20:55 2015 No.6704238 >>6699876 i am compelled to take a knee, as i have the grace to behold the eternal edgemaster king beyond the furthest realms of edge. truly, i shall as of today tip my helmet your way, m'lord.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:22:04 2015 No.6704240 No.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:22:29 2015 No.6704241

>>6704218
I don't understand
>>6704220
Do you agree or disagree with me?
>>6704208
>I don't understand your argument on the whole thing being an illusion.

I explicitly told people like you to not respond. If you don't understand what I'm saying then on what basis do you have to say I'm "all wrong really"?

You sound like an idiot who is too stupid to understand, let alone add anything valuable to the debate. Stop posting, this isn't the thread for you.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:23:15 2015 No.6704243

What a pathetic thread. All these babies throwing judgements at everyone else.

>"most people are stupid/useless/vain"

Just because people don't appeal to you doesn't mean they're worthless.

I've come to the conclusion that no one exactly wants to be here. People are just born in this life and do what they are told because it's the easiest way to live. There is no other option than to "be a cog in the machine".

People do the best they can but how long until this mundane, random life dulls your mind? Most everyone just accepts the bad things and lives their life's silently, without really living at all.

Or at least, that's how I see it.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:24:47 2015 No.6704251 >>6704241 >You sound like an idiot who is too stupid to understand, let alone add anything valuable to the debate. Stop posting, this isn't the thread for you. You must learn communication. Anyways, I'm pretty sure you're nuts or a troll.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:25:14 2015 No.6704252
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>>6699860

Non-musician pleb detected. I have never met a serious musician (or really anyone who listens to music with a critical ear) who doesn't respect the shit out of Bach. You don't even have to like listening to his music, but at least acknowledge that the contrapuntal mastery in just one of his fugues is more complex and profound than anything your faggot ass could even hope to create in your entire lifetime.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:26:03 2015 No.6704253

>>6700969
Have you tried being funny ? I mean, I know for a fact that I'm boring in conversations, and the primary reason for this is that I'm afraid of interaction. So instead of going out, taking risks by making jokes or trying to emphasize with my interlocutors as if they were real persons, I follow formal lines of conversations ("what do you like to do", "where are you from"...) like you described, which is most of times a transparent way to *not* have a conversation.

I agree with a lot of the advice itt, but I'm surprised nobody has mentioned silent interaction yet. You don't need to talk to interact, and with people you know well you don't need to talk to enjoy each others' company.

the good tripfag !!TXcNl1PuD5F Thu Jun 18 02:29:15 2015 No.6704257

>>6699854
My god anon yes. I'm not a genius, but in the way everyone around me has barbed wire no-go zones in their thoughtscapes, how they are controlled by programming and rhetoric, if they even care about anything worthwhile, at that. I could only bear the first 50 replies to this thread until I nearly passed out with cucky, insecure and self-hating overload. People are not stupid really but they have allowed other things to have the reins of their sovereignty, and they enjoy using the last bits of their intelligence defending this position. It's worse.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:33:18 2015 No.6704266

>>6704241
>>6704241
why do you consider "glass refracts light" to be "stupid shit"? that's what you're seeing there. there is no such thing as "true surfaces" or whatever - what you're seeing is discrepancies due to how the light traveled to reach your eyes (either entirely through air, or through mostly air with glass/water for a little bit). here's a more thorough examination: http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/~aty/explain/optics/refr.html

never stop posting these images on /lit/ though. I love you and I want to kiss you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:37:59 2015 No.6704277 >>6702965 I often stare blankly in front of me when I'm solving math problem in my head in the subway. It doesn't work while dealing with markov chains for some reasons.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:39:58 2015 No.6704284 >259 replies What the fuck, /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:41:06 2015 No.6704290 >>6702965 >implying theres anything wrong with going zombie-mode

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:41:16 2015 No.6704292 >>6703287 You are a pop, meme and porn obsessed individual. This is the usual mistake of taking you own predicament for the plight of a whole culture.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:43:54 2015 No.6704298
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>>6704266
>why do you consider "glass refracts light" to be "stupid shit"?

Because that is not an adequate account of how visual perception works. Light is refracted by the glass, hits your retina which converts it into an electrical impulse which travels to the visual cortex, and then somehow, I'm back out of my head, looking at the objects in the world around me. Nobody, and this well accepted (i.e. see the "hard problem of consciousness") believes that there is an adequate account of how one visually perceives. So a simple glib answer like "glass refracts the light" is nowhere near an adequate account. Show me how "glass refracts the light" becomes me experiencing what appears to be a disjointed pencil in a cup in the world in front of my eyes/brain. Until you can do that, your explanation is nowhere near adequate, and is essentially meaningless. That you think it's an adequate explanation for a multi-millennial old problem (philosophy of perception, and the nature of reality) just goes to show how ignorant you really are.

Like I said, if you don't grasp the problem, or you don't have an understanding of the philosophical history behind it, don't respond. If you think "glass refracts the light" is an adequate account of the experience of illusions, then that's fine. I'm personally looking for something far more comprehensive.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:46:14 2015 No.6704305

>>6703976
"Changing the world" and "fighting the status quo" has become a media mantra. We're obsessed with change of progressive cause. Not to say we actually value change, but saying everyone openly wants things to stay the same is exaggeration at best.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:49:07 2015 No.6704312

I've felt the same way anon, but I may have an answer for why that is. I've always wanted to have more meaningful conversations with others, not just discussing what we've been up to in the past week.... Talking about subjects like how we've actually been feeling, what has been on our minds, and what kind of personal internal conflicts we've been facing that will lead down toward some path of well thought out discussion.

I have a friend whose like me and we've had these kind of talks but it took a lot of effort to get to them. For me, I found it very challenging to put all of my thoughts into words that escape my mouth... Sometimes there's so much you want to say you get lost and it ends up coming out in a completely wrong way.

Another reason how I've found it difficult to have myself have these discussions with others is that it leaves one (or me at least) feeling extremely vulnerable in a sense.

It's something about truly discussing what we believe our place in this universe is or their inner thoughts about life that exposes a person for who they really are, and sometimes people do not want to face the truth of themselves or give it away to another person. I've come to believe that most of mankind aren't mindless or hedonist, it's just that they don't want to expose the very deep and sometimes intimidating thoughts they have with other people.

It takes a lot of work and conversation as well as trust to get to the point of having a discussion like that. Sometimes I think if we as a society were all less self conscious and
judgemental we would be willing disclose this information more readily to each other.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:49:55 2015 No.6704314 >>6704218 It's confusing. You answered to two different people. Either you confused them for one person or you got mixed up in the orders.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:54:35 2015 No.6704319

>>6704197
In your pencil example, how do you think the pencil hold if it's not inside the glass ?

Also why do you assume the strange shape of the pencil is due to it being behind the glass and not in the glass ?

Also the way you use "noumenal" is sloppy. What you perceive is phenomenal, what you don't currently perceive but could perceive is still part of the phenomenal world. Unless you're using "noumenal" in a sense that's unusual you're making pretty big mistakes here.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 02:56:49 2015 No.6704322 >>6704284 OP was pretty good bait. Nothing but usual.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 03:00:06 2015 No.6704329

>>6704298
Seems to me you're sticking together two problems that have little to do with each other. Why focus on the pencil and the glass ? If your problem is how an experienced world can exist, it's a problem no matter wether you're looking at a square, a straight pencil, and a warped pencil. If you phrased yourself that awkwardly using badly picked example it's no wonder people would not understand what you're getting at.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 03:01:51 2015 No.6704332
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>>6704298
the refraction moves the straw you perceive a few millimeters to the right dude. this has nothing to do with the hard problem of consciousness. you must go fucking bananas whenever you see a mirror. god help you if you learn about corrective lenses.

I drew a picture to help you understand my explanation. It's a banana.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 03:03:13 2015 No.6704334 >>6704182 You're only seeing the glass, but you're effectively seeing through it Yeah, I agree

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 03:35:30 2015 No.6704398
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>>6704039
A few weeks ago I had this girl suck my dick

You can faintly see the recovering black eye that I gave her

>>6704305
Despite that theme, people are rarely willing to follow through with it to its logical end

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 03:38:40 2015 No.6704407 >>6704398 >posting pics of girls you know on 4chan Why do people do this?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 03:47:07 2015 No.6704416 >>6704407 I don't care about that slut anymore

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 03:48:43 2015 No.6704419 That was a lie

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 03:51:48 2015 No.6704426

>>6704332
>the refraction moves the straw you perceive a few millimeters to the right dude. this has nothing to do with the hard problem of consciousness

Yes it absolutely does. We are talking about visual perception here, visual perception of a pencil in a glass. "The refraction moves the straw you see millimetres to the right" is not an adequate account. Tell me, and this should be easy for you, how it is that the refraction does this?

The light waves move through the glass, the glass changes their direction slightly, and then X happens, and I am now seeing a disjointed straw. Explain X.

I also know about lenses, I wear glasses ffs. Honestly you're just an idiot who cant grasp something so resorts to calling the person insane or stupid. The depth of your visual field when wearing glasses is the length between your eyes and the inner surface of the lenses.

I'll give you 100 billion dollars if you give an adequate account of X. But I know you can't do it, nobody can. Which is why we're talking about the phenomenology of visual experience, not the science of how visual perception works.

>>6704334
>but you're effectively seeing through it

No. You're not. Anything existing beyond the surface of the glass facing your eyes is noumenal. Whether it even exists or not is unknowable, let alone thinking you can 'effectively' perceive the noumenal reality beyond the surface of the glass. Glass is a solid object. Like every other object, the depth of your visual field ends at the outer surface.

Your response is like saying, "yeah, you can only see the painting on the wall, but the painting is of what's outside the house, so you're effectively seeing through the wall looking at the (noumenal) world that (may or may not even) exists beyond outside it.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 03:53:20 2015 No.6704430

>wahh i have no friends because I think I'm smarter than everyone else and yet I've never published a goddamn damn thing that was worth a second look or second read

My lord. You fags are just insufferable. A gaggle of terrible writers and terribly boring people.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 03:53:33 2015 No.6704431 >>6700833 >You want it to be interesting She doesn't. She wants it to be fun.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 03:53:44 2015 No.6704434 Most people can only talk about people, not subjects.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 03:54:45 2015 No.6704437 >>6704431 Fun is boring.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 03:59:24 2015 No.6704450 >>6704398 >A few weeks ago I had this girl suck my dick >You can faintly see the recovering black eye that I gave her Was that before or after you wrote that amazing movie script and couldn't record with shitty $100 camera and 1 person?

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 04:07:14 2015 No.6704465

>>6704426
New to this discussion, haven't seen anything that quite matches this argument so here goes. I'm going ahead with the assumption that you're happy with the science behind refraction and why the light bends, but I think your TV analogy is flawed because:

1. We know that the photons pass through the glass, being distorted by refraction, but they are the same photons that entered the back of the glass
2. The photons, distorted but the same photons, carry the visual information to your eye which is interpreted by it

The only way the glass would be "displaying" reality that is behind it is if the glass generated new photons from its near surface in response to photons hitting its far surface, but this doesn't happen. This makes the glass distinct from a TV screen which generates new photons at that shorter distance from you.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 04:09:35 2015 No.6704469

>>6704465
>>6704426
Further to this, if your argument is that your visual field ends at a refractive surface then the depth of your visual field is no greater than the lens of your eye, or even the vitreous humour directly in front of your retinas. Sorry if that makes you more claustrophobic than before but at least you shouldn't feel any worse in a car.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 04:22:53 2015 No.6704492

>>6704426
I'm not going to argue over whether or not objective reality is real

It's more akin to the camera-monitor analogy, and yeah, when looking at a live camera you're effectively seeing what it depicts

And there is no X
The glass bends the light waves - and that's what you see

I'm trying to grasp some phenomenonal meaning out of this, but there really isn't any

>>6704450
I never actually wrote a script, and the goal wouldn't be to film it myself

Anyway I'm not lying, which is what you're getting at

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 04:25:50 2015 No.6704498

>>6704426
Is everything beyond the inside lenses of your glasses "noumenal"? Are objects you perceive in a mirror "noumenal"?

"X happens" is the same thing that happens when you see anything. When I perceive a book to the right of another book it's because of where the light strikes the cornea. When I perceive a straw that has been refracted several centimeters to the right, I perceive it as being to the right of the unrefracted straw above it.

You are attempting to turn a very simple optics problem into a deep philosophical issue that it is decidedly not.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 04:29:36 2015 No.6704506

Since we're on the subject of vision, and I don't feel l like typing a novel
>our 3D vision looks, or will look, exactly like a very high definition tv image
>surface of our retinas are 2D
>the 'third dimension' in our vision is just a different shade/shape projected onto a 2D image
>there is no need for the baseless theory of our brain processing both images and making it 3D
>closing an eye doesn't make us see in any differently

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 04:30:04 2015 No.6704508 >>6699920 They are actually tests to determine the subjects sense of modernity. Intelligence is just a buzzword.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 04:32:12 2015 No.6704512 File: 88 KB, 976x622, 1407533127926.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw too dumb too engage with cultured smart people >tfw too can't relate to my working class peers and they're values and hobbies

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 04:40:31 2015 No.6704527

>>6701023
I absolutely vouch this thought. In the periods of solitude is when you realize about the subjectivity of it all in a non conceptual manner but in personally meaningful and sensationally way. Only when you can ultimately judge yourself sincerely with a positive value whilst aware of opposing perspectives (defects and strengths) you can start to express whatever you want without any fear with anyone. At this point, your true personality is what you show to people, and people really, really respond to true personality, even when they might not agree or even know what the fuck you are talking about.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 04:50:09 2015 No.6704543 I think what OP's sort of saying is that there are consumers and producers in this world, and most are content to merely the former. How would you describe yourself, OP?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 04:51:49 2015 No.6704549 >>6704506 you can fake it by moving but if you have to hold still your depth perception is fucked with one eye

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 04:56:23 2015 No.6704557 >>6704512 That's envy talking. Be your own breed of cultured, smart person.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 05:00:42 2015 No.6704563 >>6704430 And yet some of us try to improve on the daily, which is all a thread like this is about when it comes down to it. Don't forget to fuck off on your way out.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 05:07:55 2015 No.6704576 >>6704312 For anything to change we have to be honest as a default. It's what I've thought my whole life.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 05:08:32 2015 No.6704578

>>6704465
>>6704469
>carry the visual information to your eye which is interpreted by it

This is where you (unconsciously) but covertly sneak around the major issue - that is, how does visual perception work?

What does whether they are the exact same photons or not (a scientific question), have to do with the phenomenology of visually experiencing? (a philosophical question)

Saying "the eye interprets the photons" is nowhere near an adequate account of how one comes to experiencing a visual field, of (what seems to be) an external world.

And your comment about the lens of the eye, and the jelly in front of the retina shows you have a complete misunderstanding of even the basics around the SCIENCE of visual perception. Our eyes are not magic portals that we (as cartesian subjects) look through, our eyes are not 'open windows' to the world. Nobody looks 'out' or 'through' their eyes.

>>6704492
>when looking at a live camera you're effectively seeing what it depicts

Idiocy. If that is so, why travel to the Eiffel tower and look at it in person when one can just see it on their computer screen. It's the same thing right?

>And there is no X
>The glass bends the light waves - and that's what you see

OK I am going to finish my discussion with you here, because it's above your head. Simply asserting something is not the same thing as arguing for it. You'd get laughed out even a phil101 class with your idiotic "the glass bends the light waves - and that's what you see". I feel sorry for you if you truly believe that's all it takes to explain a 2 thousand year old philosophical problem. In short, you're in over your head kid.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 05:15:22 2015 No.6704592

>>6704498
>Is everything beyond the inside lenses of your glasses "noumenal"?

Yes.

>Are objects you perceive in a mirror "noumenal"?

That you appear to see objects in a mirror is an illusion. The depth of your visual field ends at the surface of the mirror, and you mistake seeing the image displayed on the mirror, for the objects in the world around you. The mirror does not magically reverse your visual field, so that you can look at objects behind you while facing the other way. To see objects behind you, you have to actually turn your head. What's seen on a mirror is an image, a very detailed high def image, which you mistake as something which 'reverses your gaze' allowing you to see things behind you, or your own face etc.

>You are attempting to turn a very simple optics problem into a deep philosophical issue that it is decidedly not.

Actually philosophy of perception is literally a 2000 thousand plus year old problem. It's one of the major problems of ontology and metaphysics, informing epistemology. Have a read about the hard problem of consciousness. Don't reply to this post.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 05:16:31 2015 No.6704596 >>6704506 >>closing an eye doesn't make us see in any differently people with one eye cannot see 3d movies

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 05:17:05 2015 No.6704599

>>6704578
Not the guy you're replying to but it seems like you are 100% concerned with the process by which the brain perceives images, which doesn't seem to have fuck all to do with glass.

But you could just post a bunch more scribbles and tell us all we're idiots who would fail philosophy 101 because we can't draw using MS Paint.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 05:19:54 2015 No.6704605 >>6704592 literally everything you perceive is an illusion because it's been refracted by your cornea. oops I wasn't supposed to reply to this.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 05:38:53 2015 No.6704626 >>6704592 I think Jaden Smith solved the hard problem of consciousness https://twitter.com/officialjaden/status/329768040235413504

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 05:42:16 2015 No.6704633

>>6699854
I gave up trying to find a friend who will talk with me about Kubrick's films, Dostoevsky's novels, or Beethoven's sonatas. When I feel the need to express my opinion or the effects of a certain piece of genius, I write in my journal which has served as the ear I once yearned for. Without the desire to talk about what interests you, it's easy to make friends and if your interest does not extend far beyond learning of the circumstances of individuals then people will love you merely for the opportunity you give them to talk of themselves.

I don't even know if I would be able to hold a conversation related to anything I am interested in because of the consistent suggestion of my sounding pretentious. Then again, I have never met anyone to accompany me when going in the depth of topics I find significant so it might be that I am capable of it. If you're in Thailand, we can meet and chat.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 05:44:19 2015 No.6704640 >>6704599 >>6704605 >>6704626 yawn

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 06:01:20 2015 No.6704678 To transcend the mundane we must devote our minds to impersonal data. Knowledge. History. Only then can matters of mundanity such as these be disregarded successfully.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 06:20:23 2015 No.6704705 File: 91 KB, 240x240, beethoven14.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6704252 >mfw the honor of writing the most complex fugue in the world actually goes to the superior composer, Beethoven

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 06:21:58 2015 No.6704709 >>670459 Could you post some links to those philosophy forum threads you mentioned earlier, please? I would love to have a look at them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 06:23:21 2015 No.6704711 >>6700599 I don't think people actually care about me or my interests and they're merely asking to maintain formalities.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 06:32:02 2015 No.6704720

short story idea
so what if in the future the pretentious /lit/ user's dreams came true and now the creation of art is limited only to a select chosen few 'artists' and the common man is forced to support them and forbidden to create art
just came up with it r8

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 06:38:48 2015 No.6704731 >>6704592 >>6704709 I meant to reply to the mirror guy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jun 18 06:42:53 2015 No.6704741 >>6704633 The mindset of OP reminds me of the student in Crime and Punishment.

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 07:52:05 2015 No.6704864

>>6704437
>Fun is boring

Precisely why you should live a solitary life of learning and understanding and not give a fuck about other people and there fun.

But wait... You still yearn for other people to talk to? Why is that? Because you want to engage with someone else in your existential commonality? What better way to do that than by revolting against the inherently mundane nature of life with... fun?

Anonymous Thu Jun 18 14:06:33 2015 No.6705873

>>6704578
>if that's so, why travel to the Eiffel Tower in person
So are you saying I'm wrong?

If X is the hard problem of consciousness, then X exists with or without the glass distortion concept, so you talking about the glass at all is redundant

>>6704640
You're delusional

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