Is the fantasy genre a male power fantasy? Why is it mostly a white man's genre? What are its western roots?

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Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:01:18 2015 No.6681784 [Reply] [Original]

Is the fantasy genre a male power fantasy?
Why is it mostly a white man's genre?
What are its western roots?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:02:53 2015 No.6681788 >>6681784 Dude weed lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:03:43 2015 No.6681790 >>6681784 They've watched too much Naruto.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:06:00 2015 No.6681800 File: 93 KB, 768x1024, Aelfred the Great.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6681784 ANGLO PRIDE WORLD WIDE

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:06:41 2015 No.6681803 >>6681788 >>6681790 >>6681800 cute memes

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:07:09 2015 No.6681807 File: 48 KB, 440x503, Anglo-Saxon Cross.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://producer.csi.edu/cdraney/2011/278/resources/Tolkien%20-%20The%20Monsters%20and%20the%20Critics.pdf

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Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:09:17 2015 No.6681817
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>>6681803
>implying High Fantasy isn't completely Anglo
>implying you've traveled with Sir Gawain
>implying you've met Duessa and the Faerie Queene
>implying you aren't a knave and a Hebrew

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:11:52 2015 No.6681824 >>6681807 not at all related.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:14:26 2015 No.6681836 >>6681817 >>6681811 >>6681807 >>6681800 >>6681790 >>6681788 no wonder nothing good comes from this board.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:15:29 2015 No.6681840 File: 51 KB, 573x609, BAHAHA.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6681824 >he doesn't think Beowulf, a story about a warrior who kills trolls before being slain by a dragon, has anything to do with the Fantasy genre

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:18:24 2015 No.6681845 File: 235 KB, 813x900, King Arthur.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6681836 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL4cEwzUgdA

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:19:36 2015 No.6681846 >>6681836 >is a genre a power fantasy this thread was doomed aborning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:19:51 2015 No.6681848 It appeals to young boys like a young girl is drawn to romantic fairy tales. A mixture of social cobditioning and as they grow older biological insistences.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:20:03 2015 No.6681851 >>6681840 Nobody said that you retarded faggot but of course that is expecting too much of you to understand basic linguistics on a literature board.

Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:24:11 2015 No.6681857
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>>6681851
>Nobody said that

>>6681824
>not at all related.

What's that now? OP asked about the origins of the Fantasy genre and I linked him an informative essay about one of the foundational texts of not only Fantasy but of the entire English language. Yet you have the gall to insinuate that it is I who is not understanding basic linguistics?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:30:38 2015 No.6681878 >>6681846 Why? That's a legitimate question. >>6681848 but why? >>6681807 read some of, and downloaded for later. Thanks. Would it be fair to trace this back to the greeks and mythology on cosmological scales?

Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:33:35 2015 No.6681885
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>>6681878
>Would it be fair to trace this back to the greeks and mythology on cosmological scales?

I don't think so because Beowulf is a distinctly Northern hero.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:34:58 2015 No.6681892 >>6681885 But wouldn't it have it's roots in Scandanavian lore, and in turn the greeks and romans?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:35:36 2015 No.6681894 >>6681885 was this a saxon dick

Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:36:34 2015 No.6681896
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>>6681878
It's a dumb question, and we hate it, and we hate you for asking it.

Go read some Ursula Le Guin, then come back and apologise for not knowing that women write fantasy books too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:38:18 2015 No.6681901 >>6681896 leguin is meh

Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:38:44 2015 No.6681902
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>>6681892
Beowulf is fascinating because it shifts seamlessly from historical accounts of actual battles to mythic elements such as Beowulf's tussle with Grendl. I think that it is a truly unique work and is evidence of a sophisticated Germanic culture that developed with minimal external influence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:39:46 2015 No.6681907 >>6681892 No, not everything is Hellenic or Romance in origin. Northern Europeans weren't just living in mud huts worshiping rocks for thousands of years: they had rich and varied cultures largely derived from a common Indo-European root.

Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:40:48 2015 No.6681910
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>>6681784
>Is the fantasy genre a male power fantasy?
no, it's a series of tropes and traditions followed by authors that generate certain expectations in the reader.
>Why is it mostly a white man's genre?
All genres are, including those cheap harlequin style romance novels. Industrial writing was pretty much reserved to men for the first centuries of the novel's life as a format.
>What are its western roots?
Early nordic and medieval european myths mostly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:41:43 2015 No.6681912 >>6681901 Hush you. I think you're categorically wrong, but it's more important that we drive out and ostracize people who ask such awful and broad questions as "Is X entire genre just X".

« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Sat Jun 13 00:42:02 2015 No.6681913

>>6681878
>>6681848
>but why?
Gender roles
>Would it be fair to trace this back to the greeks and mythology on cosmological scales?
Yes. Hesiod for example. Fantasy tends to be mostly a "conservatives" genre. It looks bad to days gone by "when men where men and women..." were objects, prizes or monsters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:42:03 2015 No.6681914 >>6681896 I know there are some, but come now, if you havent noticed women pretty well represented in almost any other genre, and men underrepresented in romance, you're a dingus.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:43:21 2015 No.6681918 File: 63 KB, 728x701, Pretty much.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6681907 Seconded.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:44:38 2015 No.6681923 >>6681910 >lejadedpomoface.png

Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:46:47 2015 No.6681931

>>6681914
And yet you probably wouldn't level the yin to this argument's yang: the accusation of Romance literature being just Wank-fodder for chicks.

Forgive me if you would, because that would make it all quite fair, but I am a jaded man, and have become very accustomed to punishing double standards with righteous and informative anger.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:47:59 2015 No.6681933 >>6681931 I'm praying for you.

Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:48:20 2015 No.6681934
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>>6681923
While posmo rejection of any possibility of chance and the general pro liberalism tendency it took is crap, we can still learn a bit from it. I don't get what part of my post was particularly postmodern, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:48:56 2015 No.6681937 >>6681931 I absolutely would, I'm an anti-feminist anti-sjw and am just genuinely interested what draws men like myself to a genre that more often than not maintains weak men as a hero figure.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:50:10 2015 No.6681940 >>6681933 Do something that works instead. I take donations of English language encyclopaedias and 7.62×51 rifle cartridges. Together, we can PUNISH IGNORANCE.

Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:50:57 2015 No.6681941

>>6681914
I really doubt this. As far as I can tell the only "genre" where women are maybe overrepresented is that high society distant description of a cultural context that americans call literary fiction. Most cheap romance novels are written by teams or two or three guys and given a single female name for marketing purposes.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:51:26 2015 No.6681942 >>6681940 God never fails.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:52:40 2015 No.6681946 >>6681942 yes >>6681941 no

Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:54:20 2015 No.6681950

>>6681937
Because all men are weak on the inside: a competent writer knows this, we're a race of Frodo's and Shinji Ikari's, not Conan's and Ivanhoe's.

The feat is made more marvellous by it having been performed by a mere mortal, with weaknesses and foibles.

That's why Frodo is the protagonist of LOTR and not Aragorn.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:54:29 2015 No.6681952 >>6681946 you sound like a very interesting anon, completely worth of all that attention you crave.

Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:54:35 2015 No.6681954
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>>6681934
>I don't get what part of my post was particularly postmodern, though.

I would say that it was probably the way you clinically deconstructed the entire genre with a disaffected tone.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:55:31 2015 No.6681958 >>6681942 This statement is technically correct no matter what your theological position may be, and as such I will not object.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:55:35 2015 No.6681959 >>6681952 Are you his mom or something?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:56:05 2015 No.6681961 >>6681950 >All X are like this >based on my extensive experience with every single specimen of X >>6681954 genres have been a thing for a few centuries, it's not post-modern to understand why they exist. thanks anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 00:57:12 2015 No.6681967 File: 101 KB, 219x363, Imagen 58.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6681959 I wish, I would be getting laid all night long instead of posting here.

Anonymous Sat Jun 13 01:00:27 2015 No.6681978

>>6681961
Don't turn my shtick around and beat me with it, I don't like it.

What I mean is that real men experience fear and doubt and suffer, this is what makes them men, not gods who can accomplish tasks effortlessly.

Well written fantasy protagonists are not unstoppable juggernauts with the emotional sensitivity of a slab of basalt: they are human.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 01:02:34 2015 No.6681987 >>6681923 dont talk shit about my waifu.

Anonymous Sat Jun 13 01:03:52 2015 No.6681995
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>>6681978
I don't like when you think things are a single way around. Everyone can relate with multiple types of things, I can feel for Shinji when wondering if there's a place for him while also feeling for Ippo when he has to stand up against his own health because he has to prove to himself his love for boxing. Luckily we're complex beings capable of contradictory ideas and feelings.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 01:35:07 2015 No.6682078 File: 176 KB, 800x457, Mugi-chan.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6681967 >it's not post-modern to understand why they exist That's not what I said; I said it was your tone. The anime .png is also a hallmark of pomoism. >>6681967 Lewd.

Anonymous Sat Jun 13 01:49:11 2015 No.6682113
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>>6682078
>The anime .png is also a hallmark of pomoism.
we should really drop this shit of calling everything pomo and be truthful to ourselves recognizing it as our local variant. 4chan postmodernism or something like that.
Deleuze wouldn't had cared about smug anime traps, that's completely our thing. We shouldn't be ashamed of that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 02:01:53 2015 No.6682149 >>6681784 Everything is a power fantasy in essence. The real question here is, why are power fantasies assumed inherently bad?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 02:06:38 2015 No.6682170 File: 134 KB, 340x340, heheh.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6682113 >4chan postmodernism Pomo is pomo; we aren't that special. >We shouldn't be ashamed of that. Who said anything about shame?

Anonymous Sat Jun 13 02:10:22 2015 No.6682179
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>>6682170
Again, Foucault didn't have an opinion about reaction faces and Lyotard would had been perplexed at the concept of hikikomori. What /lit/ has veered away from any real root it could have had, it's its own thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 02:14:32 2015 No.6682189 File: 171 KB, 718x717, stoned yui.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6682179 Totally.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 02:21:00 2015 No.6682212 File: 183 KB, 287x519, Imagen 54.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6682189 I'd call it "dank-modernism" >>6681987 missed your post, I'm sorry cutey. Don't go around creating icons, it's unhealthy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 02:23:11 2015 No.6682219 File: 1.98 MB, 450x600, ayy.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6682212 >"dank-modernism"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jun 13 02:23:19 2015 No.6682221 >>6682149 I was about to post this. Even if you don't identify with any characters, being a detached observer of events (the reader) is a power fantasy.

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