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[Anonymous No.6681124]

what is the most patrician denomination of christianity?

i figured i would try to give it a fair look since i realize i've been close minded about it all my life. my only experiences with it have been as a child (when it's easy to instantly dismiss because of the mainstream view of it), and in college where the christian groups were, at best, extremely melodramatic. so for me it's never even been a slightly interesting or worthwhile thing to think about. "oh yeah, i forgot that's a thing people actually believe, haha" <-- me for the most part.

[Anonymous No.6681131]

Lutheranism

[Anonymous No.6681133]

>>6681124
Don't let /lit/ trick you into its reactionary bullshit. It's just a fad. Religion is a meme at this point.

[Anonymous No.6681134]

>>6681124
>what is the most patrician denomination of christianity?

You read the bible by itself and let it reveal itself to you. Then you'll know what to do next.

[Anonymous No.6681135]

>>6681124
Pretty sure Catholicism managed to be literally patrician at some point in its early history.

Though in all fairness it was due to the support of the emperors, and the empire is a demagogue's enterprise at first.

[Anonymous No.6681140]

>>6681133
>just a fad
>for 2000 years
kek I love your comments fedora you always make the funnest posts in the thread.

[Anonymous No.6681143]

>>6681140
I'm talking in the context of /lit/.

[Anonymous No.6681149]

>>6681124
Jehovah's Witness

[Anonymous No.6681153]

>>6681140
The neo-reactionary movement isn't 2000 years old, kid.

[Anonymous No.6681161]

>>6681149
Literally a cult

[Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo No.6681163]

>>6681124
Christianity is retarded, but the Church has produced some great stuff.

[Anonymous No.6681167]

>>6681153
>implying christians are neo reactionaries
nice glass house you're living in atheist edgelord.

>>6681135
this

[Anonymous No.6681184]

>>6681167
My house is, in fact, not entirely made of glass.

Checkmate, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.6681208]

Either Catholicism or Orthodoxy.

[Anonymous No.6681219]

>>6681124
I mean, if you don't want extreme dogma, I recommend Liberal Quakerism. They tend not to proselytize, and have sound morals.

[Anonymous No.6681223]

how does /lit/ feel about episcopalianism

[Anonymous No.6681228]

Probably Greek orthodox because they read it in the original form when it was committed to writing

[Anonymous No.6681250]

>>6681124
It is obviously Catholicism Op. Anything else else is literally heresy.
The Catholic Church has 2000 years of history and wisdom behind it. It was literally started by Jesus Christ Himself.
Where else can you regularly go and witness His sacrifice? Where else can you go and receive Him incarnate into your body? Nowhere but Catholic Mass. That is the simple truth.

[Anonymous No.6681261]

>>6681250
I'm a catholic myself but Eastern Orthodox performs the ceremony of the eucharist and Our Church was started by Paul. But it is the most patrician religion if I do say so.

[Anonymous No.6681264]

If you insist on believing in spirituality, why not just develop your own personal concept of the matter? Why submit to some particular manifold or iteration of it?

[Anonymous No.6681267]

>>6681124
>christianity
>patrician

pick one and only one

[Anonymous No.6681286]

>>6681267

[Anonymous No.6681288]

>>6681264
Because that would be satanism anon

[Anonymous No.6681294]

>>6681149
this
>>6681161
no its not

[Anonymous No.6681302]

>>6681261
That's true about the Orthodox, but Our Church was definitely started by Our Lord. He was the first and highest priest, and ordained His apostles as such to spread the Gospel.

[Anonymous No.6681309]

Black liberation theology

[Anonymous No.6681310]

>>6681133
>Religion is a meme at this point.

>implying that's bad

[Anonymous No.6681326]

>>6681133
Religion always survives as a meme you retard. Don't use words you don't understand.

[Anonymous No.6681329]

>>6681133
I'd like to discuss this further since on every thread that touches religious themes, someone posts that this is big reactionary bullshit that /lit/ is making. About the question of OP: just read The Bible and wikipedia articles of each one of the Christianity groups and make your own opinion.

What's with all the dislike of this new Christian posters of /lit/. I haven't seen that much shitpost about it and generally the threads about Christianity are pretty civil and interesting, I would say that even if there are some people that become religious out of joking here, it's their decision. Even if it was a big collective meme, it's not that bad, people are reading a very interesting book (The Bible) that many writers get inspiration from. It's helpful to understand the themes of so many books that it's not a waste of time. I get that you might dislike reactionary people for political reasons, but I have yet to watch threads on /lit/ that flood the front page about reactionary thinkers and shitposts.

Seriously, what's wrong about '/lit/'s reactionary bullshit and fad'?

[Anonymous No.6681350]

>>6681161
What's wrong with a cult? All religions are cults, cult isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.6681356]

I am converting to christianity(I think so, I still have many doubts). I come from a catholic environment but I will never accept the supremacy of the church over the believer, I believe that all believers are ministers, I want to be married by a layman. I dont know what denomination I might belong to, I would enjoy to find fellow christians who experience christianity the same way, I dont want to join a catholic church eventough I feel at ease with some catholic friends and I dont consider them the antichrist or anything. I think that the most "patrician"(that is elitism and therefore antichristian) is any reunion of true believers who love one another unconditionally.

[Anonymous No.6681361]

>>6681261
Catholic too, and i really admire Orthodox rites. Really nice stuff.

[Anonymous No.6681369]

>>6681329
I've noticed vocal atheists are surprisingly judgmental and intolerant in threads pertaining to christianity. It leads me to suspect they are either trolling or not worth arguing with.

Most of the atheists I know irl are really just christians who hate God.

[Anonymous No.6681372]

>>6681329
It's obvious that people flock to it for purely aesthetic reasons, as do most people with dogmas and ideologies. Maybe there are some good things that come out of it, but I find these Christian posters rather irritating. You can't have much of a conversation with them without having them freaking out and saying you need Jesus.

But it's not like this fad has much significance. God is dead. His corpse is only being disposed of. Religion is going to slowly die unless some extreme event comes along and revives it. Perhaps a very large war or the destruction of human knowledge.

[Anonymous No.6681384]

>>6681372
I highly doubt that religion (in some form) will ever go away, it will only evolve

[Anonymous No.6681385]

>>6681350
JW don't believe Jesus was God and therefore are not Christian.
Also their bible changes every year by the will of a mysterious group of people in Brooklyn

[Anonymous No.6681395]

>>6681384
True, because humans need something to believe in. It's a psychological need. But whatever form religion takes in the future, it will not involve anything supernatural.

[Anonymous No.6681397]

>>6681369
most of the atheists I know(also christians) are actually apathetic
>>6681372
I converted to christianity because of ethical reasons and I think that any sincere conversion to christianity is caused by three motives, the lower of them being aesthetical and the intermediate ethical, I dont think religion can die because it is part of human nature and western humanistic atheism or even nihilism is basically a religion without the supernatural stuff(there is supernatural free christianity also if you care to search for it, and nihilism is basically the radical negation of supernaturalism which paradoxically is a supernatural posture itself)

[Anonymous No.6681400]

>>6681385
How do you have to be Christian to believe in the trinity? The Trinity is a theory.

“To us there is but one God, the Father.”—1 Corinthians 8:6, King James Version

“My Father is greater than I [Jesus].”—John 14:28. *

“I [Jesus] ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and your God.”—John 20:17.

“To us there is but one God, the Father.”—1 Corinthians 8:6.

“Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.”—1 Peter 1:3.

“These things saith the Amen [Jesus], . . . the beginning of the creation of God.”—Revelation 3:14. *

[Anonymous No.6681401]

>>6681372
It's my need of trascendence (did I write well?) which has brought me to christianity and brings me over and over again. But there's absolutely no point in arguing, really. I won't change your mind nor you'll change mine.

[Anonymous No.6681410]

>>6681401
>It's my need of trascendence
I will give you this small piece of advice, dont pursuit religious visions or experiences, that is vanity and a sin, not different from hedonism. I am sorry if I am judging you incorrectly.

[Anonymous No.6681412]

>>6681372
Religion is going to die? When? It's thriving and has never been bigger. India has 1 billion Hindus, There are over 2 billion Christians and 1.5 billion Muslims. These are just the major religions.

[Anonymous No.6681424]

>>6681372
>It's obvious that people flock to it for purely aesthetic reasons
citation needed. Are you one of those people who thinks he understand everything about a person's dogma from one anonymous post on an image board?
>You can't have much of a conversation with them without having them freaking out and saying you need Jesus.
No true Christian would try to force his faith on you.

Religion has always existed in one form or another. It's kind of naive to think we live in the last days of a 2000 year old institution. There are over 2 billion christians in the world.

[Anonymous No.6681426]

>>6681412
>Religion is going to die?

Yes, although as subsequent posts put it more accurately, it will evolve. What is really going on is the death of metaphysics and the supernatural.

[Anonymous No.6681431]

Most patrician: Catholicism
Runner up for most patrician: Lutheranism
Most pleb: Baptism
Runner up for most pleb: Wesboro

[Anonymous No.6681436]

>religion
>patrician

>plebbest religion of all
>patrician

[Anonymous No.6681442]

>>6681424
I used to be a Catholic myself. I know how good it feels to argue for something seemingly so pure and true.

>No true Christian would try to force his faith on you.
I didn't imply force, but they recommend reading the Bible and whatnot, which I have.

[Anonymous No.6681449]

>>6681426
>death of metaphysics and the supernatural.
Well that's interesting, I'm curious as to what that might be as far as religion goes.

[Anonymous No.6681474]

>>6681369
This is true, but I guess that it might have to do with their own insecurities.

I have also noticed that people here belive that everyone has the same values and thoughts, so if they see that a big group has a position that questions the security of their ideology, they feel insecure and rely on denial. They might view /lit/ as the most 'intelligent' posters on 4chan, and they are part of it, so if they see that this group is being transformed with ideas that they associate with stupidness (Religion, right-wing ideas, etc...) they start to shitpost.

>>6681372
>It's obvious that people flock to it for purely aesthetic reasons, as do most people with dogmas and ideologies.
Even if they like it for the aesthetic, that's not something inherently wrong. It is true that Christianity requires faith, but the aesthetic part of learning about the religion will help them to educate themselves about it. Maybe some will stop following christianity, while others will go deeper into it. But like I said, following any '-ism' purely for aesthetics as an introduction isn't inherently bad.

>I find these Christian posters rather irritating. You can't have much of a conversation with them without having them freaking out and saying you need Jesus.
Some will tell you 'go read The Bible' or maybe some theological work, others give actual arguments based on texts and writers if you bring an actual topic to the thread, but, like in most things (don't forget you are in 4chan) people will answer with low-effort answers. It's your duty to make the distinction too, you can't expect high quality posts always.

>Religion is going to slowly die unless some extreme event comes along and revives it. Perhaps a very large war or the destruction of human knowledge.
That might be true, but the affirmation made before this is highly debatable. God's existance is a very hard topic to discuss, and it's my opinion that one has the right and duty to decide from onself the question of the existance of God (in any way, shape or form that you think). I wouldn't feel like an authority to say 'God is dead', unless I write a book about it, which I haven't of course.

I'm not Christian by the way.

[Anonymous No.6681475]

>>6681442
>I didn't imply force, but they recommend reading the Bible and whatnot, which I have.
Well pedants and idiots exist among every creed. I think new sincerity will bring about a new acceptance of religion. Many people my age and younger seem to be showing a renewed interest in the Church, not necessarily catholic, now that the harmful stigma is accepted as the fiction that it is.

[Anonymous No.6681483]

>>6681474
I'm going out for a while. I will answer all replies to this if you want to discuss further, just give me some minutes.

[Anonymous No.6681492]

>>6681350
>cult isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[Anonymous No.6681498]

>>6681475
>religious revival is just a manifestation of the non-edginess of new sincerity

Oh shit.

[Anonymous No.6681532]

>>6681250
>>6681261
>>6681361

Catholic bros ;) Me too

[Anonymous No.6681712]

>>6681400>>6681400
Unitarian pls
John 17:21
That they all may be one, as thou, Father, in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Also >implying scripture alone

[Anonymous No.6681898]

>>6681385
>Also their bible changes every year by the will of a mysterious group of people in Brooklyn

There bible hasn't changed at all, from what I heard they just got a new cover and a couple of maps of biblical times. The mysterious group isn't a mystery and people know who they are,

>implying a cult could have peaceful followers world wide
>implying what they do isn't based on the scriptures

Also they believe Jesus was god's son not God himself

>John 3:16- For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

[Anonymous No.6681932]

>>6681124
Catholicism with Eastern Orthodoxy a close second.

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>>6681124
Satanism? Gnosticism?

>>6681161
They're all cults.

>>6681208
Greek, Armenian? Russian, Syrian, Coptic?

OH WAIT!!

THIS ISN'T LITERATURE RELATED AT ALL!!

[Anonymous No.6681962]

>>6681949

are you a mod?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6681971]

>>6681962
I'd run a tighter ship than this (Slightly. I'm still an anarchist)

[Anonymous No.6681975]

>>6681124

Mormonism

[Anonymous No.6681976]

>>6681971
Why don't you post more panti shots, butters?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » No.6681998]

>>6681976
Why don't you suck my fucking you little faggot?

[Anonymous No.6682000]

>>6681975

[Anonymous No.6682001]

>>6681426
>death of metaphysics and the supernatural
>implying

People will always see monsters in shadows and angels in light. Even as we speak, the Vatican is trying to determine what to make of the reports that villagers in Bosnia have seen Marian apparitions. The "death of the supernatural" is a liberal bourgeois fantasy.

[Anonymous No.6682011]

>>6681949
Aren't most (all?) of those churches in communion with each other and sit under the umbrella of the Eastern Orthodox Church?

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.6682015]

>>6681976
I think you already know why.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.6682024]

>>6682011
Naw.
Historically they hate each other for one thing or another. Probably better relations nowadays. But they they differ as much or as little as any of the other denominations.

[Anonymous No.6682048]

Just read the gospel of Thomas and follow the teachings of Yeshua.

[Anonymous No.6682064]

>>6682015
If it helps you feel less creeped out I didn't find them erotic as much as intimate in a familiar way, as if we didn't really care about that stuff. I'm not posting mine, though, so I get that this is a one sided thing.

[Anonymous No.6682067]

>>6682015
You're posting in 4chan a friday night, you know no one out there even cares about seeing you, dressed or naked. If you're gonna die alone you might as well have a small ego boost knowing that anons around the world desire you.

[Anonymous No.6682090]

>>6681397
What is the 3rd motive? I'm with you on the ethical line of thinking; that is my biggest draw to Catholicism.

[Anonymous No.6682120]

>>6681492
>he doesn't know that cult comes from cultus which is the perfect passive participle of the latin verb colo i.e to cultivate (land) or worship a divinity

The negative connotation is a rather modern development; moreover, in academics I've noticed a distinct disdain for using the term as a pejorative because it a. inaccurate and b. meaningless.

[Anonymous No.6682124]

>>6681975

[Anonymous No.6682158]

>>6681124
Arianism, if you don't mind Augustine and his pack of crazies calling you a heretic.

[Anonymous No.6682166]

>>6681898
So they're basically just copy-pasting what got the Cathars burned at the stake?

[Anonymous No.6682223]

>>6681124
Calvinism.

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>>6682067

[Anonymous No.6682238]

Helicopterism, a small Christian sect that states that Jesus didn't die on the cross, but was picked up by a helicopter in the nick of time. All the other stories about Jesus are obvious forgeries, created by Satan

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.6682268]

>>6682238
Yes. He was a time traveler searching for the real Jesus and got mixed up in some gang of street preachers when he and them were rounded up by the Romans and were sentenced to death. He pressed rescue button and the project chiefs sent the helicopter.

[Anonymous No.6682424]

Lapsed Anglican here. Beginning my walk with Christ anew. Catholic moral teaching appeals to me greatly but I'm overwhelmingly convinced by the kind of fideism I find in Pascal and Kiekegarrd, which I know the Roman Catholic church considers to be heretical. Any guidance from my fellow Christposters?

[Anonymous No.6682493]

>>6682001
Have you ever been to Medjugorje? It's a very fascinating place.

[Anonymous No.6682504]

>>6682424
Kierkegaard isn't a fideist and he is "approved" by the church.

[Anonymous No.6682518]

>>6682268
I remember that episode, it was a good one.

[Anonymous No.6682524]

>Top tier
Orthodoxy, Ethiopian coptics

>High Tier
Anglican, Roman Catholicism

>Mid Tier
Lutheran, Episcopalian

>Low tier
Baptist, Methodist, Unitarian, Non Denominational

>Shit Tier
Mormonism, Jehovah's Witness, Seventh Day Adventist, Other cults.

[Anonymous No.6682534]

>>6682524
>protestants anywhere but shit tier

[Anonymous No.6682538]

>>6682534
>protestants on the same tier as cults

I don't think so tim.

[Anonymous No.6682553]

>>6682524
non-denominational is the true tier, everything else is tare tier, apostate. take your man-made institutions away from christ

[Anonymous No.6682559]

>>6682524
>placing Orthodoxy in the top tier.
Yes. I like you. The Russians really knew how to do Christianity.

[Anonymous No.6682588]

>>6682553
>we don't need no organization, we just love jeebus
>who needs his teachings

Literally heretical.

[Anonymous No.6682601]

>>6682538
>megachurches
>televangelists
>prosperity gospel

why shouldn't they be on the same tier as cults?

[Anonymous No.6682628]

>>6682601
>all protestants are megachurches who preach prosperity gospel

That's a silly assumption you mongoloid.

[Anonymous No.6682813]

>>6681329
>but I have yet to watch threads on /lit/ that flood the front page about reactionary thinkers and shitposts.

Holy shit there are a lot of these christposters and a lot of christposting. Literally where have u been?

>>6681949
>Gnosticism?

Literally so patrician that the plebs wiped them out

[Anonymous No.6682917]

>>6681356
Methodists are. pretty cool and they're totally anti-elitist. my pastor is just a normal guy who likes to talk about God. I've gotten a beer with him before. it was surreal coming from catholicism.

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>>6682518
Wait, episode of what?

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>>6682588
All you need is the book. There's scripture to support that too I believe.