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can video games be literature?

>> No.6677891

no. they're video games.

>> No.6677893

>>6677891
what about text-based video games?

>> No.6677896

>>6677893
they're text-based literature

>> No.6677903

>>6677896
but they're also video games

>> No.6677916

>>6677903
Let's take this one step further: Are the multi-choice adventure books literature XOR games?

>> No.6677929

>>6677916
exclusive or?
what?

anyway i think they can be literature, but none has ever been good as literature

for example planescape is bad as literature (though it's better than any other game i've ever played as literature), but because it takes advantage of being a game (immersion, identification - you struggle as the character struggles) it makes the words far more meaningful than they would be than were they in a book and thus the product is affecting

>> No.6677934

>>6677916
both

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>>6677934
after he went to all the trouble of an XOR too

>> No.6677948

>>6677944
but the answer is both

>> No.6677967

>>6677929
>for example planescape is bad as literature

Is it because Avellone's writing is bloated and too flowery for a visual medium? PS:T definitely does have a problem with brevity, but you can't do much with video games without blowing through your entire budget, especially not a 1990s D&D RPG.

>> No.6677976

Can literature be music?

>> No.6677981

>>6677967
no, i just thought that without the choices and you making them and you fighting and struggling i wouldn't have given a shit
the point is it meshed well and made it a good game, but i made the work, it's an entirely different experience. if you want to say visual novels (this is kind of a retarded term but whatever) with no or limited branching plot are literature, maybe... but i'm sure they're all shit

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6679590

If they tell a good story?

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>>6677976
If it has a good sound
>>6679590

>> No.6679701

Technically all video games are literature.

>> No.6679720

No but that doesn't mean they can't be treated the same way we treat lit. So it doesn't really matter. We can do close "readings" or "playings" of video games just like we can with books.

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>>6679720
How close?

>> No.6679768

>>6679746
As close as you want.

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>>6679768

Rilke wrote: 'These trees are magnificent, but even more magnificent is the sublime and moving space between them, as though with their growth it too increased.”
― Gaston Bachelard

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>>6679768

The new education must teach the individual how to classify and reclassify information, how to evaluate its, veracity, how to change categories when necessary, how to move from the concrete to the abstract and back

>> No.6679846

Can books be considered video games?

>> No.6679872

>>6677976
Isn't poetry almost like music

>> No.6679883

>>6679815
"Rilke would have praised you: your nearness is far" - Dannie Abse

I related to this quite intensely when I first read it. Rilke's obsession with distance and nothing is quite sad, really.

>> No.6679884

Planescape: Torment was pretty decent interactive literature.

>> No.6679921

>>6679872
Poetry used to be sung.

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>>6679883
We love you in glacial ways

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>>6677886
>literature is art
>video games are not art

>therefore video games can not be literature

This is simple stuff Op.

>> No.6680023

>>6679999

You got your damn quads Ebert, now stop shitposting from beyond the grave.

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>>6680023
>>6679999

>9999

>> No.6680045

>>6679846
Yes they can. Books are in principle stripped down video games, games without the player control, the animation, the sound etc. This is easy to grasp if you consider that a variety of games contain books the player can read (shitty books, but that's not the point -- you could easily put the Iliad or Thus Spoke Zarathustra or any book whatsoever in a video game).

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>>6680045
>Books are in principle stripped down video games, games without the player control, the animation, the sound etc.

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6680071

video games aren't literature. just because you start jerking off about how they share aspects when you get into semantics doesn't mean they're the same.

you and your damned shitty ass threads.

>> No.6680077

>>6680059
>hurr durr I'm retarded
I could easily mod Ulysses into The Elder Scrolls. What I would have then is Ulysses + a game-world with music and voice acting and animation and interactivity... now, here's a puzzle suitable for your level of intelligence: if I take this modded game and strip away everything but Ulysses, what am I left with?

>> No.6680089

>>6680077
>this is what vidyafags actually believe

I'm so glad I grew out of video games.

>> No.6680101

>>6680089
>I am so glad my reasoning capabilities are below those of a four-year-old

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>>6679999
Nice quints
But squints from your vision aside
You might not be seeing a bigger picture
Art is everywhere
http://youtu.be/9UFQmbsUp9c

>> No.6680117

>>6680077
You are left with Ulysses plot. You just took away it's prose and made it pretty much worthless.

>> No.6680139

>>6680117
I am talking about putting in the actual full text as one of the various readable books found in the game, not making a shitty mission based on it.

>> No.6680154

>>6680115
MGMT isn't art either. There is a distinction between Art music and Pop music; MGMT is clearly in the latter.

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>>6680115
Not quite quints
7 ain't 9

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>>6680154

Color me tertiary but isn't there a call me maybe logic that allows you to soar above dualism?

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>>6680179

Is it only either orr?

>>6675970

>> No.6680198

>>6680045
If I jam my dick up your ass, can I define you as a male sexual organ?

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>>6680196

Maybe I'm just a dreamer

>> No.6680213

>>6680154
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vNBzRBM0h_I

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>>6680154

Terence McKenna himself said "we are hyperspatial objects of some sort that cast a shadow into matter. The shadow in matter is our physical organism"