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Anonymous Fri Jun 5 11:43:48 2015 No.6642690 [DELETED]

Getting into Christianity and so I'm starting a a related wishlist. I can't afford most of it, it will be more of a long-term project. Looking for any input for what I should add

So far I got the Norton Critical King James Bible volumes, a Rosary, the Rosary Handbook, an Oxford Leather King James with original typeface, the Orthodox Study Bible, City of God, and some other stuff. If anyone can recommend a high tier Catholic translation, that would be nice as well

Besides the KJB, I mainly wanted to focus on Apostolic Christianity (though Anglicans are arguably Apostolic I guess), but any worthwhile Christian literature you think I should add would be appreciated.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:09:20 2015 No.6642772 bump

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:10:50 2015 No.6642777
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I'm a big fan of pic related, although he skews a lot more Protestant than you seem to be headed. But depending on your background, the Existentialism might be useful for understanding the teachings of Our Lord

>>	Phil Gabriel !jcOURqNIBM Fri Jun 5 12:12:23 2015 No.6642782 Reza Aslan-Zealot Nietzsche-The Antichrist Zizek-The Fragile Absolute Spinoza-Tractatus Theologico-Politicus The Gospel of James and the Revelation of Peter NOT the Bible Dawkins-The God Delusion Harwin-The Origin of Species :^)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:15:55 2015 No.6642789 File: 83 KB, 500x579, ideology.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6642782 >tfw reading and listening to Zizek has made me a more faithful and happy Christian

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:16:57 2015 No.6642792 >>6642777 I heard John Milbank said he was actually very Catholic in his outlook as opposed to Hegel Any particular work you'd recommend I add by him?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:17:05 2015 No.6642793 >>6642690 Summa Theologica The Philokalia >a high tier Catholic translation For your consideration. >muh vulgate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douay%E2%80%93Rheims_Bible >muh accuracy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Revised_Standard_Version

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:17:44 2015 No.6642797 >>6642789 Then you weren't paying attention.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:17:57 2015 No.6642799 >>6642789 Zizek likes Christianity a lot, despite being an atheist

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:18:56 2015 No.6642801 >>6642789 That probably isn't true.

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:21:50 2015 No.6642808

>>6642797
>implying Calvinist Death of God theology isn't the most Patrician form of Christianity
Also, see >>6642799

>>6642801
Why would I lie? What would I have to gain?

To be honest, Zizek got me interested into Christianity after lapsing for a very long time. I don't agree with him philosophically, but his and Hegel's ideas on Christianity were very interesting. Very wrong, but very interesting.

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:23:18 2015 No.6642816

>>6642793
Thanks, any particular editions of these you could link me? Except for the NRSV, since I assume you're references the Catholic Edition.

Also, any recommendations on the Rosary? This is the one I put on my wish list
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0056B1KXO/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1NTHK5AMH0JQ5&coliid=I3KL7S53D38FMC

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:24:04 2015 No.6642820

>>6642808
>>implying Calvinist Death of God theology isn't the most Patrician form of Christianity
That's the plebbiest form, you uberpleb. Enjoy your uberheresy.

>Zizek got me interested into Christianity
Being interested in Christianity isn't the same as being a good Christian, m8. The local Christians need to realize that.

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:24:27 2015 No.6642822

>>6642808
>To be honest, Zizek got me interested into Christianity after lapsing for a very long time. I don't agree with him philosophically, but his and Hegel's ideas on Christianity were very interesting. Very wrong, but very interesting.
Have you read The Monstrosity of Christ, or God in Pain?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:28:12 2015 No.6642837 File: 26 KB, 396x550, 9780195289558.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Shame on you OP, should of gotten a non-denominational study bible.

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:28:34 2015 No.6642838

The only right way to be a Christian is to be a member of the Westboro Baptist church. They accept that people with different religions views are hated by God and deserve to go to hell. God hates the world and most of its people. Most of us will go to hell.

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:31:12 2015 No.6642846
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>>6642838
>pic related

>>6642820
m8, interest in something intellectually is often the first step to becoming committed and faithful. I'm assuming you're Traditionalist Catholic by your rhetoric, so haven't you read Justin Martyr? He said that he came to Christianity in a similar way, but do you doubt that he had faith?

>>6642822
No, I was entry level Zizek before I moved on to more traditional Christian theology. But I'll definitely check those out sometime!

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:31:13 2015 No.6642847

>>6642837
Someone gave me one of those, actually. It lacks the Apocrypha, and I have some issues with the NSRV's translation

Isaiah 1:18, for instance, sounds very off compared to every other translation
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+1%3A+18&version=NRSV

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:33:59 2015 No.6642864 >>6642808 Zizek's Christian Materialism is the natural conclusion of Christianity and thus its death. To take Zizek seriously (which you should) is to accept this death and to become an atheist communist (which you should).

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:34:29 2015 No.6642868 >>6642846 Just because you call it bait doesn't mean it isn't true. Every other faith is illogical. If you believe in God you should be extreme or not bother being good at all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:35:49 2015 No.6642877 >>6642846 >interest in something intellectually is often the first step to becoming committed and faithful. I agree completely, but I personally find Zizek's Christian materialism repulsive. A theology built on his foundations is effectively spiritless.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:35:59 2015 No.6642878 >>6642846 >pic related He's more-or-less right, but instead of Westboro Baptist Church I'd substitute Jehovah's Witnesses.

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:36:54 2015 No.6642882

>>6642816
I'm not Catholic, so don't know enough about rosaries.

The version I have is this:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Oxford-Annotated-Bible-Apocrypha/dp/0195289609

(It's basically a Bible for academic study)

Douay-Rheims - I've only ever read the 1899 edition.
https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/Douay-Rheims-1899-American-Edition-DRA-Bible/

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:37:42 2015 No.6642885 >>6642877 Oh, totally. Zizek is interesting, but wrong. Very, very wrong. Except predestination. There, he's right

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:39:08 2015 No.6642889 File: 19 KB, 450x200, westboro_baptists.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] https://youtu.be/jp9L1HbF3Z8

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:42:37 2015 No.6642901 >>6642877 >>6642885 >wrong He's very very right.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:46:01 2015 No.6642911 >>6642901 Actually... He is a leftist soooo...

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:48:20 2015 No.6642923

>>6642901
No he isn't. The idea of a materialist Christianity is prima facie contradictory. You'd have to be caught up in Marxist doublethink to even think it's a tenable position.
>If I believe in Jesus then my immortal soul will go to Heaven when I die
>Oh, but I'm a materialist; I can't believe in immortal souls or immaterial Heavens and Hells
>I guess I can't be a Christian materialist!
It's that simple, and anyone who says otherwise should reread the Gospel.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:55:59 2015 No.6642947 Documents of Vatican II http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/index.htm

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:56:19 2015 No.6642949

>>6642911
Like I said, he's right.

>>6642923
>God becomes a man
>the man is killed
>B-b-but the man floats up in the sky!
>M-m-my ancient yet non-contemporaneous, contradictory books say so!

>being this mad that a Marxist took your silly ideas to their natural conclusion and accusing anyone of double-think

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:56:52 2015 No.6642952 >>6642923 I can't describe how much cringing I just experienced. Dude... Congratulations!

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:57:57 2015 No.6642956

>>6642949
>>being this mad that a Marxist took your silly ideas to their natural conclusion
>a Marxist
Precisely. One of the initial premises of Marxism is that Christianity is an outdated belief system. It doesn't make sense to base your theology on that claim and call yourself Christian.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 12:59:08 2015 No.6642964 >>6642949 >>6642952 Explain how to reconcile Christian and materialist metaphysics into a system worth calling Christian.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:02:09 2015 No.6642974 Can someone explain to me the meaning behind rosary? Is it just some holy necklace?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:02:59 2015 No.6642980 >>6642974 You pray with it look it up on wikipedia

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:09:27 2015 No.6643011

>>6642956
>>6642964
That's exactly the point. You can't. Christianity is not only outdated, it's self-defeating as proven when Christ went to the Cross expecting to be saved by the Father and was instead left to die leaving only mankind and what they can muster together (the Holy Ghost and the Kingdom of God).

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:09:50 2015 No.6643013 >getting into Christianity >making a wishlist Holy shit just die

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:12:15 2015 No.6643025

>>6643011
You're just parroting Zizek. This reasoning doesn't even make sense if you take the genuinely Christian stance that affirms the existence of God. You'd have to be an atheist to endorse this position, and an atheist cannot be a Christian, by definition.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:12:41 2015 No.6643027 List so far guys, keep the suggestions coming /1NTHK5AMH0JQ5 >>6642974 You use it to keep track of prayers in a particular prayer cycle you use with the Rosary.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:13:42 2015 No.6643034 >>6643025 >an atheist cannot be a Christian, by definition. What is postheism? What is secular theology?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:13:58 2015 No.6643036 >>6643025 Of course he can't! The whole point is that God does not exist!

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:15:48 2015 No.6643042
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I haven't read it myself, but my theologian friend says the That Sources of Christian Ethics by Servais Pinckaers is a must-read if you are at all interested in moral theology.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:16:22 2015 No.6643044 >>6643034 >secular theology? >secular It misses the point of actual religion. >>6643036 >The whole point is that God does not exist! Not from a Christian standpoint, it isn't.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:16:24 2015 No.6643046 >>6643025 I don't think you understand anything Zizek is saying...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:17:07 2015 No.6643052 >>6643034 >What is postheism? What is secular theology? sounds like retardary to me.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:19:19 2015 No.6643058 >>6642777 >777 Well done Kierky.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:20:29 2015 No.6643065 >>6643046 I understand that he's trying to interpret Christian theology from a secular perspective. I just don't think that this serves as a valid interpretation of Christianity from a Christian perspective.

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:29:24 2015 No.6643092
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>>6642690
For a solid introduction and overview of Christian thought, I'd recommend 'An Introduction to Christian Theology.'
http://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Christian-Theology-Religion/dp/0521690374/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1433525292&sr=1-2&keywords=an+introduction+to+christian+theology
Pretty dry, but it gives you a good overview of the main themes and ideas, and includes references to important works, so you can move on to works that you find interesting.

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:32:18 2015 No.6643102

>>6642838
>>6642868

This is hilarious because why use Westboro as the example of thorough Christianity and not quakers? What an arbitrary sampling.

Christian fundamentalist are usually the most illiterate in terms of theology. Rabbis know more about Christianity then they do. If you ask them who St Augustine or St Thomas he'll if they know who Martin Luther is I'd be surprised.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:33:22 2015 No.6643105 >>6643065 Did you read about his open ontology? Please do that. If that doesn't make sense to you... I'm sorry.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:34:26 2015 No.6643107 >>6643065 The Christian perspective is wrong.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:34:32 2015 No.6643109 >>6643105 Could you explain it to me? And then explain how that makes the idea of getting an accurate understanding of Christianity from an atheistic reading of the Bible any more palatable?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:35:35 2015 No.6643114 >>6643107 That's your opinion, and it isn't even a very popular one. Its mere assertion certainly isn't enough to prove anything.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:36:55 2015 No.6643121 >>6643114 >Its mere assertion certainly isn't enough to prove anything. Everything about Christian theology is mere assertion.

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:40:08 2015 No.6643127

>>6643121
Yes, and? That doesn't mean you can take its propositions out of context and throw them into any philosophy you want. In fact, if you expect your claims to be taken on anything but faith, that should be a reason not to engage with Christian thought at all, to be honest.

What is the point of Christian materialism, anyway? What are the practical applications of it? Is it an analytical tool, or are people genuinely setting up Christian materialist churches? I'm curious as to what you think these ideas are good for.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:46:37 2015 No.6643154 >>6643127 Have you read Zizek?

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:47:16 2015 No.6643157

>>6643109
Shit. If I say I don't then you'll accuse me of being wrong.

I seriously won't explain it to you. Read a few books. You should read more about him to understand him and connect the dots. He is quite hard to understand if you don't really study what he is doing. Many people call it bullshit because the only book they've read doesn't make sense to them. It is useless to read one book and expect to understand everything the guy thinks.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:51:19 2015 No.6643173 File: 135 KB, 637x866, 1429877395752.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6643157 I thought it would be rude to post this pic with what I wrote but it just feels right.

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:53:50 2015 No.6643186

>>6643154
Yes. He isn't that hard to understand.
>>6643157
>He is quite hard to understand if you don't really study what he is doing.
What is he doing, exactly? You haven't demonstrated that you understand anything about him yet. I'm familiar with his claims that reality is ontologically incomplete and the materialist twist he gives to Hegelian Christianity, I'm just not sure why his reading should be privileged over every other interpretation of the life and message of Jesus. You're doing a poor job of making me want to engage with his ideas any more than I have.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 13:56:26 2015 No.6643199 How can Christianity defend the idea of an omniscient God and the idea of free will?

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 14:05:16 2015 No.6643232

>>6643186
Damn you're a hard nut to crack. I don't really care about what you want to read or think about me. You can keep your ignorance. If you don't want to read him... I don't care. Just don't say that he is wrong without actually reading his books and fully understanding him.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 14:05:59 2015 No.6643236 >>6643199 How can Scrooge change if the Ghosts have knowledge of his future?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 14:08:35 2015 No.6643244 >>6643232 He's given more example to show he has at least read his wiki than you've given about him at all. Why can you say he's right?

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 14:09:22 2015 No.6643249

>The Bible (RSV or NRSV) with apocrypha.
>The Desert Fathers
>Tao Te Ching
>Meditations on the Tarot: Journey into Christian Hermeticism

Also read Nietzsche. He thinks he's slamming Christianity but really his attacks mostly just apply to specific forms of heartless, dreary Christianity.

And read the Stoics, especially Epictetus.

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 14:12:03 2015 No.6643256

>>6643232
>If you don't want to read him... I don't care. Just don't say that he is wrong without actually reading his books and fully understanding him.
Again, I've read him and I'm familiar with his positions. You haven't demonstrated that you are, however. Please clarify your claims about Zizek's material theology or fuck off. I don't care which you do.

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 14:13:28 2015 No.6643263

>>6642792
Start with a reader or some other short primer to be honest. I went into Fear and Trembling totally dry and it largely went over my head. Once you get a clear understanding of his framework, it all makes a lot more sense.

I don't know if you've read Hegel (I haven't) but Kierkegaard is a lot more enjoyable to read, apparently.

I would also recommend some Tolstoy. Maybe even Wittgenstein.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 14:18:31 2015 No.6643289 >>6642808 Peter Rollins is pretty much the Christian Zizek, if you think you'd be into that kind of thing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 14:25:23 2015 No.6643319 >>6642885 predestination is right, Calvinism isnt

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 14:28:36 2015 No.6643333 >>6643027 How do I see the list? I recommend Meister Eckhart and Jakob Böhme

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 15:08:41 2015 No.6643488 >>6643333 Must add for the sake of the quads http://www.amazon.com/gp/registry/wishlist plus what I posted

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 15:18:14 2015 No.6643532 >>6643092 >>6643042 Added, thank you

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 15:19:20 2015 No.6643538

>>6642816
If you want to have your mind blown in terms of the rosary and mariology in general, I recommend "True Devotion" by st Louis De Montfort.
I read that book in September, prayed a rosary daily, and haven't jerked off since.

An easier catholic read is "Philothea or introduction to the devout life" by st Francis De sales. Beautiful writing style but very informative on moral formation.

For bibles, RSV, NRSV, and NAB are all good. I read RSV for analysis and NAB for poetic beauty.

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 15:34:47 2015 No.6643615
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Has anybody read pic related? It's a very interesting study of Carl Schmitt's political theology - not just the famous book, widely read for its definition of sovereignty, but the fundamental theological premises of his entire political life and the religious derivation of his friend/enemy distinction and commitment to the pressing moral decision.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 15:40:29 2015 No.6643644 >>6643538 Thank you! all added >>6643615 I'm afraid I haven't

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 21:29:01 2015 No.6645405 File: 230 KB, 2324x1569, surrounded by papists.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >getting into Christianity >buys a rosary

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 22:05:35 2015 No.6645560 >>6642974 Hail Mary, full of grace, The Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 22:09:16 2015 No.6645576 File: 40 KB, 720x477, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6643034 >post-theism

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 22:12:21 2015 No.6645587 >>6643199 Just because God knows what you'll do doesn't mean you don't freely choose to do so.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 22:14:37 2015 No.6645598 OP, I highly reccomend the Diary of St. Maria Faustina Also autobiography of St. Therese of Liseaux

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 22:17:51 2015 No.6645612 >>6643199 God knows the potentiality

Anonymous Fri Jun 5 22:21:38 2015 No.6645629
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What is with this Christian counter-culture I see here and on /pol/?

Why do you still apply agency to natural phenomenon? Why do you still follow the religion of pity and death? This is disgusting atavism. A truly powerful self aware being does not need metaphysics to comfort his dissatisfaction with reality. Don't you know that God is dead?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 22:24:08 2015 No.6645636 File: 672 KB, 960x639, volcano_stefnisson_orig_960.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6645629 Quality post. The sooner you convert; the sooner your spirit is saved. /lit/ is dominated by atheists, Christians, and Calvinists.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 22:24:40 2015 No.6645639 >>6645629 I don't think you know what God is

>>	Anonymous Fri Jun 5 22:33:33 2015 No.6645668 >>6645629 It's the latest shit-posting trend: another wave of Nothing full of hubris, ignorance, and time.

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