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Which one is more actual nowadays? What relates the two books?

>> No.6637363

>>6637354

Brave New World but 1984 is just used as a scapegoat, if you notice with all the advertisement, drugs, media shoving sex down our throats nonstop we're really in Huxley's nightmare.

>> No.6637378

The west is a combination of both.

>> No.6637384

>>6637363
I agree with Huxleys vision being more actual, in what sense is 1984 used as a scapegoat?

>> No.6637389

>>6637384
not him but

people complain about cctv and not having free speech (such as in 1984) but at the same time we are engaging constantly in recreational drug use and sex that distract us from the reality of life (such as in BNW)

>> No.6637410

>>6637389
Good point, one other opinion I have is that there isn't a "behind the curtains" group of people who try to brainwash in order to dominate us... I think that all of this we are doing by ourselves, just because it "feels good"

>> No.6637421

>>6637384

People who think we've fallen into a 1984 type world have been lured into a false sense of security, what they don't realise is that while they are complaining about the lack of freedom of speech and government surveillance they are neglecting what I mentioned above and even doing it without taking notice.

>> No.6637466

>>6637421
I'm inclined to think that most people (aside from /pol/'s anti-degeneracy puritans) wouldn't mind the Brave New World version of the future.

Sure, people live in a stagnant society where they can never achieve anything or change the world, but that's always been true for the majority of people. At least in BNW, the masses are kept comfortable.

>> No.6637473

We pretty much have a government slipping towards that of 1984; whilst a consumerist culture similar to that in BNW

>> No.6637501

Takes elements from both, it just doesn't go to the extreme of either.

>> No.6637516

>>6637354
Why would BNW (& F451 & Envy & We) be dystopian? I do not get this book supremacism. And that I'm saying as an avid reader.

>> No.6637520

List of people who say BNW is a utopia:

>trolls
>teenagers
>fundamentalist atheists
>self-loathers
>the lonely
>retards

>> No.6637523

>>6637354

>>>/reddit/

>> No.6637529

>>6637520
>fundamentalist atheists
What?

>> No.6637535
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6637535

SEARCH THE FUCKING ARCHIVE NEWFAG

>> No.6637557

>>6637516
The rulers of the world are nuking each other in F451. At the end of We, there are people literally getting lobotomized so they can't even conceive the idea to change their situation anymore.

Brave New World is just kind of sad. People had to be replaced with zoo animals. Less than zoo animals. Biological cogs and gears grown in factories.

I'll give you that F451 is pretty silly though.

>> No.6637588

>>6637384
People are trying to fight the shadow and not the man that cast it. A futile exercise in my opinion.

>> No.6637606
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6637606

>tfw every discussion about dystopias is bound to eventually turn into epik meming

>> No.6637667

>>6637354
Hi OP, I think there's a website that's better suited to this sort of discussion. You may find it by going to Google, typing in "Reddit," and clicking the top results.

Happy reading!

>> No.6637677

>BNW v. 1984
Honestly I hate this meme

>> No.6637724

>>6637606
>tfw every discussion about any meaningful topic is bound to eventually turn into epik meming

>> No.6637728

>>6637677
Blame the normies in the real world. It's not as bad as le zombie apocalypse at least.

>> No.6637740

>>6637529
Presumably he's referring to the invention and codification of Atheism into a singular coherent movement by our prophet Richard Dawkins on October 2 2006.

>> No.6637823

>>6637473
not bad.

>> No.6638089

>>6637516
Brave New World is dystopian in the same sense as We, F451 and 1984 are dystopian - they represent a curtailing of the human spirit and potential. If you take a utopia to mean an environment which is wholly conducive to man's pursuit of his highest potential, then a dystopia is quite the opposite. In BNW the people barely rise above the cognitive level of animals, just having sex and lolling around and taking soma. It appears to be a utopia but there is no human flourishing, as innovation or criticism of any kind would endanger the power of the elites. What appears as comfort is in truth a mode of control. This is why we can draw stark parallels between BNW and our modern time - so many people in the industrialized world are literally living out BNW-esque lives.

>> No.6638218

>>6637354
Just like most other things, the truth lies in between the two extremes.

>> No.6638441

Could someone please explain the fucking point of this question to me?