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6614028 No.6614028 [Reply] [Original]

Is GRRM the most important Feminist author of the last 30 years?

>> No.6614041

>>6614028
DFW is the most important feminist for his extensive hands-on work in the field of audience pussy.

>> No.6614221

>>6614028
Fat fuck

>> No.6614230

>>6614041
kek

how did the audience pussy meme come about? did he actually write something like that? in jest, maybe?

>> No.6614243

>>6614230
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2012/09/d_t_max_s_david_foster_wallace_biography_every_love_story_is_a_ghost_story_reviewed_.html

"Sure, his friend Jonathan Franzen felt compelled to point out that Wallace was never “Saint Dave,” but it’s another thing entirely to see him walking through the Amherst campus as an undergraduate, remarking on the springtime “smell of cunt in the air.” We later learn that Orin Incandenza’s penchant, in Infinite Jest, for seducing young mothers is in fact something he shared with his creator. We learn about DFW’s womanizing, about his book-tour fondness for “audience pussy,” and that he once wondered aloud to Franzen about whether his only purpose in life was “to put my penis in as many vaginas as possible.” "

>> No.6614251

>>6614243
I need to use that quote for copypasta purposes.

>> No.6614257

>>6614243
that's crazy. DFW feels like such a hypocrite. kek.

>> No.6614271

>>6614257
He never said he was better than the characters in his books. If anything he was writing about his own problems.

>> No.6614319

>>6614271
there's just something about being suicidal and having an extensive self help library while at the same time doing stuff like the This Is Water lecture that seems phony to me.

He's not saying he's better, but he's putting himself into a position, willingly, where a lot of people who admire him will listen to and somewhat try to do what he says.

I think he's a great author, and I'm not passing judgement on him as a person as a whole, just saying something about him seems pretty twisted. like whatever he says about moral or cultural issues should probably be taken with a grain of salt

>> No.6614326

>>6614243
BASED

>> No.6614337

>>6614319
He definitely was a sad, twisted, insecure man but that's exactly what made his writing effective. I view his social commentary not as coming from a place of moral authority but something akin to an addict talking about their own addictions while even as they still struggle with them.

>> No.6614560

>>6614257
>>6614319
>>6614271
>>6614337
When did being good with the ladies become a negative trait?

>> No.6614582

My girlfriend (Ph.D anti-feminist) and I get along just fine with our horrible systematically oppressive gender roles. Our relationship functions beautifully. We relish the ability of one another to perform a unique function that simultaneously affords us risk aversion from external forces, and promotes a flourishing symbiotic environment of self-actualization.

>> No.6614618

>>6614560
It's a negative trait when you use it as a form of escapism that ultimately doesn't make you any less miserable, like he did.

Having sex with lots of women is fine so long as you're actually enjoying it.

>> No.6614625

>>6614028
Sticking to the point, no he's not.
He's just fair to women and doesn't use them as objects as most men have in fantasy for the past 30 years.

>> No.6614643

>>6614625
eh, the books are full of rape and women at the mercy of powers beyond them. there's women warriors and whatnot but the series is just influenced by some recent developments, nothing wrong with that, but it's not like he's enlightened and completely just or anything

there's certainly a bunch of objectification going on in there

>> No.6614656

>>6614618
Pretty sure the nuts he was busting felt good in the moment.

>> No.6614658

>>6614643
He's writing about a fantasy world but it clearly draws from medieval Europe. Because women are mistreated dosent mean that were supposed to clap our hands and say "haha yes!" It's part of the setting you dunce

>> No.6614674

>>6614656
>in the moment
That's the exact problem.

>> No.6614709

>>6614674
Some writers drink heavily, other's take heroin for the moment. Pussy comes with a lady's personal warmth. If it was a futile vice, at least it was one we're all born to do anyway.

>> No.6614747

>>6614709
It doesn't have to be a futile vice. It just is for most people.

>> No.6614784

>>6614658
well he chose the genre and setting. he could have written historical fiction about the suffragettes or something.

i don't care, i enjoy the series, i think it's somewhat well written and nice to read. but the only reason people see him as a SJW messiah is because it has the SJW feel about it while you can at the same time indulge in lore of days past and blood boundries and noble savages buttraping underage bimbo princesses.

>> No.6614822

>>6614319
>there's just something about being suicidal and having an extensive self help library while at the same time doing stuff like the This Is Water lecture that seems phony to me.

It's phony for a person who is severely, clinically depressed to try to find a way of living that isn't ruled by agonizing hopelessness every waking moment?

>He's not saying he's better, but he's putting himself into a position, willingly, where a lot of people who admire him will listen to and somewhat try to do what he says.

It's your own fault for constructing an idealized image of "Saint Dave" in your head and then feeling betrayed because he didn't live up to the expectations you forced onto him.

It's pretty absurd to discount a person's ideas just because they hadn't ascended to a state of perfect being.

>> No.6614853

>>6614822
i maintain that if you're confident enough to present your personal views to several thousand students at an elite university you should have your shit at least halfway sorted out

>> No.6614899

>>6614853
wtf does having your shit sorted out have to do with chasing women?

>> No.6614922

>>6614899
i'm talking more about general depression, substance abuse etc. but yeah, woman chasing too, why not. it obviously didn't make him happy.

i'm not discrediting everything he said, just saying it comes from a place of (high level) confusion, so it should be taken with a grain of salt.