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Thomas Pynchon Anonymous Fri May 29 16:22:20 2015 No.6608980 [Reply] [Original]

I do not visit /lit/ frequently but I saw the movie and thought it was amazing so is Inherent Vice as good as the film or better ? Why ?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 16:23:02 2015 No.6608985 Haven't done either but the book is supposed to be 10k times better.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 16:23:36 2015 No.6608988 Start with Pynchon's Gravity's Rainbow.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 16:24:07 2015 No.6608993 >>6608980 I like the book better. It's not monumentally better but it's Thomas Pynchon so it's automatically really good.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 16:26:24 2015 No.6609013 The book is better than the movie (no idea why you would butcher the ending this much). Most of Pynchon's other books are superior though, Gravity's Rainbow, Against The Day, Mason & Dixon.

Anonymous Fri May 29 16:26:25 2015 No.6609014
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I just don't think it was a very good idea to have PTA adapt a Pynchon novel. He's out of his element. Pynchon would be done best by someone like Bunuel, or Lynch, or the Coen Brothers. The directing style just wasn't as good as it should have been.

Excellent acting, though. Joaquin, Martin Short, Joanna Newsom, Brolin, and Owen Wilson all gave off wonderful performances.

Have we found pynchon's cameo in it yet?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 16:30:46 2015 No.6609045 >>6609014 Didn't mean to imply PTA was a bad director. He's just different

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 16:30:50 2015 No.6609046 File: 23 KB, 332x332, 1395518532744.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6609014 >Lynch I want this meme to stop

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 16:33:01 2015 No.6609065 File: 27 KB, 426x259, 1432931581506.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6609046 no

Anonymous Fri May 29 16:42:43 2015 No.6609136

>>6609065
he's an ok director, but he is extremely one-note and gimmicky, or, if you'd like "specialized"

I get physically angry whenever I hear people who don't watch film namedrop him like he's some sort of master, and funnily enough it's more often than not people suggesting he do adaptations or remakes of shit his style is not at all compatible with

he does his faux-soap opera, intentionally bad acting, intentionally cheap looking, nightmarish surrealism well, but it's shallow, and would contribute nothing to other works like inherent vice

im actually cringing that you wrote that

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 16:45:45 2015 No.6609161 File: 67 KB, 800x800, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6609136 >people who don't watch film But I do.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 16:46:09 2015 No.6609168 >>6609136 what an illuminating treatment and unpacking of lynch's philosophical implications, mr. ebert. you're a fucking cretin dude.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 16:48:45 2015 No.6609183 >>6609168 lynch doesn't have philosophical implications he is absolute base level entertainment again I don't think he's terrible. I enjoy most of what he does, I just have no delusions about it

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 16:53:34 2015 No.6609226 >>6609183 >he is absolute base level entertainment You can't be this detached from reality

Anonymous Fri May 29 17:01:46 2015 No.6609270

>>6609183
if you simply haven't thought about it, you shouldn't be speaking. go back to /tv/ you god damn pseud. his films have many great psychological and philosophical implications. most his films involve a quest for the reparation of the psyche, non-linear burroughs-esque structure, unsolvable narratives that resemble rhizomatic metaphysical clearings, feedback loops of unresolved lacanian desire, existential/absurdist repetitiveness, the nietzschean flux of the self with the 21st century pomo twist of hyperreality. those are just some broad themes he deals with, not even going into depth of any of the meanings packed into each scene. he is the postmodern director par excellence.

you're like a hurr hurr retarded new atheist "i have no delusions". fuck off. i don't even find his films very entertaining, he's unabashedly self-indulgent like fellini or bergman.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 17:58:42 2015 No.6609551 >>6609270 There is literally nothing wrong with self indulgent art. Fellini and Bergman are great.

Anonymous Fri May 29 18:09:30 2015 No.6609598

The book is better. I liked the movie but it only adapted about 2/3 of the book and axed a lot of the most thematically interesting stuff. There are huge plots in the book about ARPAnet and a colony of "zomes" that I like better than anything that made it into the movie.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 18:15:02 2015 No.6609633 >>6609014 Coen brothers were allegedly supposed to adapt Mason and Dixon but apparently dropped it. Having just finished the book, it would've been a perfect match.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 18:16:07 2015 No.6609640 >>6609136 Sorry, man. I can't agree. The Master is as good as cinema gets. It's one of the least shallow films I can think of.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 18:16:10 2015 No.6609641 >>6609633 No fucking way. Source? I can't believe I haven't heard about that before - my favorite filmmakers and my favorite author's best book.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 18:55:01 2015 No.6609861 >>6609014 I wouldn't talk about cinema if I were you, you sound like an amateur. Bunuel and Pynchon are absolutely nothing alike

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 18:56:28 2015 No.6609871 >>6609014 I wouldn't talk about cinema if I were you, you sound like a complete amateur. Bunuel and lynch are nothing like Pynchon in sensibility

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 19:18:25 2015 No.6609955 >>6609640 good job not readin the post, bonkhead

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 19:33:57 2015 No.6610038 >>6609014 >tfw lynch will never direct a version of gravity's rainbow

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 19:36:06 2015 No.6610054 >>6609045 But he is, he is shit.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 20:02:42 2015 No.6610213 >>6610054 He's not shit. He's just not as good as those other directors. The Master is a good film.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 20:06:04 2015 No.6610225 The film is better because film is an inherently superior narrative medium, surpassed only by the likes of video games.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 20:10:05 2015 No.6610241 The argument is too wordy to be directed by Lynch, thats for sure

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 20:11:27 2015 No.6610248 File: 339 KB, 680x680, 1423191529688.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6610038 FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK YYYYYYYYYOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 20:17:04 2015 No.6610271 I'm probably alone on this, but I think Cronenberg would be a better fit for Pinecone.

Anonymous Fri May 29 20:44:58 2015 No.6610418

>>6610271
he did pretty well with DeLillo. if you're keeping score, by the way, that means that Bloom's "four great contemporary authors" have all been claimed by major filmmakers

McCarthy - Coen Bros
Pynchon - PTA
DeLillo - Croenenberg
Roth - ????

Roth's my least favorite of the four but I think maybe Spike Jonze or Alexander Payne could do him well

>>	Anonymous Fri May 29 20:50:27 2015 No.6610447 >>6610418 Monte Hellman could direct a hell of a McCarthy film

Anonymous Sat May 30 03:38:22 2015 No.6612110
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The narrator is supremely important in the novel. The choice of using Sortilege for the role of the "narrator" throws any interpretation of the novel away from the film. The film is simply an adaptation and the two works of Inherent Vice stand for themselves. Also, there are plenty of things missing from the film that I found great in the novel.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 30 03:51:49 2015 No.6612142 >>6610213 but i saw the master and it wasn't a good film.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 30 04:02:48 2015 No.6612170 MMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEMMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEESSSSSS

>>	Anonymous Sat May 30 06:11:17 2015 No.6612473 >>6609014 The Coen brothers would make an enjoyable flick out of Pynchon material. Lynch could make a solid movie if he applied himself. But I think only Bunuel could make proper cinéma out of Pynchon book.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 30 06:37:56 2015 No.6612547 >>6609046 what are you implying about based Lynch?>>6609065 that scene from WaH is the creepiest lynch maymay

>>	Anonymous Sat May 30 06:39:22 2015 No.6612550 >>6609183 Lynch is all about that stuff. I bet you don't like Jackson Pollock either. I bet you think he's a 'hack'.

∞ Sat May 30 08:02:20 2015 No.6612795

>>6609014
no mate. Paul Thomas Anderson was the only one who could have pulled it off.
Brunel certainly not. Lynch neither. Lynch is to dark, too psychographical - Pynchon cannot be heavy, it is light and flitting.
Coen Bros maybe but then again not - they were far more suited to McCarthy and it shows in how brilliant NCFOM was. Their sense of pacing is too delicate for a Pynchon adaptation.

I was expecting PTA to adapt Pynchon after I watched the Master - the film's schizophrenic metre was just crying out "let me realise Pynchon".

I knew that inherent vice was going to be good when Phoenix was standing there looking all squiffy and the multicoloured shadows dancing on the walls to vitamin C by can. It was just like - boom. that's Pynchon.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 30 11:46:19 2015 No.6613501 >>6612547 >mulholland drive

>>	Anonymous Sat May 30 11:53:00 2015 No.6613524 >>6612795 >Pynchon cannot be heavy Have you read V.? Gravity's Rainbow? He does "heavy" too. Pinecone isn't all fun and games.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 30 11:56:10 2015 No.6613536 >>6612795 >the film's schizophrenic metre was just crying out "let me realise Pynchon". It's embarrassing; I think I was writing sentences like this not even 10 years ago.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 30 11:56:40 2015 No.6613538 >reading a film novelization >ever

>>	Anonymous Sat May 30 12:05:15 2015 No.6613575 >>6613538 >not realizing the novel came first and they just used one of the movie posters as a cover to promote it.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 30 12:24:21 2015 No.6613642 >>6608988 Bad advice. Start with V.

>>	∞ Sat May 30 12:40:32 2015 No.6613705 >>6613524 I've read v, lot 49 and rainbow. yeah it's noir, but like all good noir it's irreverent and self conscious. >>6613536 wow good 4 u

>>	Anonymous Sat May 30 13:04:23 2015 No.6613795 >>6610418 Portnoy's Complaint was adapted in '72 by Ernest Lehman..

>>	Anonymous Sat May 30 13:11:31 2015 No.6613821 >this got made into a movie >and it wasn't directed by the Coen's I will never get over this despair.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 30 13:23:28 2015 No.6613864 >>6613538 oh god kill yourself as soon as possible please

>>	Anonymous Sat May 30 21:31:42 2015 No.6615497 >>6613821 Nah. Coens need to do the Mason&Dixon miniseries on HBO

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