I'm a pantheist. Prove to me God doesn't exist.

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Anonymous Wed May 12 01:50:17 2010 No.660422 [Reply] [Original]

I'm a pantheist. Prove to me God doesn't exist.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 01:51:17 2010 No.660425 I can say He/She/It does not, therefore, He/She/It does not.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 01:52:17 2010 No.660428 Assuming God is omnipotent, could he make a rock he couldn't lift?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 01:53:17 2010 No.660429 >>660428 Oh, fuck that argument. Fucking circular arguments don't have a place in true logical discussions.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 01:53:17 2010 No.660431 Assuming God is omnipotent, can God be a man?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 01:53:17 2010 No.660432 >>660428 Abrahamic arguments don't apply. Does the universe make rocks it can't lift? and if so, does this null the fact that the universe is all powerful?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 01:54:17 2010 No.660435 come on, man, OP trolled me directly. Can't I troll him indirectly?

Anonymous Wed May 12 01:54:17 2010 No.660436

>When debating any issue, there is an implicit burden of proof on him or her making a claim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophic_burden_of_proof#Holder_of_the_burden

You made the claim that there is a god. You prove it. I make no such claims, so I have no burden of proof.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 01:54:17 2010 No.660438 M-Theory doesn't allow for one universe

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 01:55:17 2010 No.660439 >>660432 http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/rock.html#XRuLhVK4Q3XU

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 01:55:17 2010 No.660440 >>660436 my proof is the material universe in which all other evidences, causes, effects, beings, actions exist.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 01:56:17 2010 No.660441 >>660438 M-theory is not supported by any empirical evidence.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 01:56:17 2010 No.660443 >>660438 M-theory allows for multidimensional noodles and sliced bread universes, but no pantheism?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 01:56:17 2010 No.660444 >>660440 That proves matter exists. Doesn't prove anything about any gods.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 01:56:17 2010 No.660446 reported for NOT LITERATURE NOT LITERATURE NOT LITERATURE NOT LITERATURE NOT LITERATURE NOT LITERATURE NOT LITERATURE

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 01:57:17 2010 No.660449 File: 41 KB, 283x360, Spinoza.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>660446 spinoza is lit, fuck off

Anonymous Wed May 12 01:59:17 2010 No.660452

>>660439
I like that article. Basically it is one of 2 arguments Bible thumpers use every time they are stumped:

You distorted it
God works in mysterious ways

So in the first sentence, one who questions is distorting logic

And in the second, God's logic is different than mans.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 01:59:17 2010 No.660455 It's pretty obvious there is no god and we're just an evolved mold on a shitty rock in space... Think about it...

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 01:59:17 2010 No.660456 >>660444 >proves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solipsism

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:00:17 2010 No.660460 /lit/ The Bible Channel

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:02:17 2010 No.660461 I like how atheists get all butthurt when you ask them to support their claims.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:03:17 2010 No.660465 >>660444 If the cause of all causes, all powerful, basis of all life, and all existence, ever, doesn't qualify as God, wtf does.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:04:17 2010 No.660468 >>660455 right, thats what pantheism says

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:05:17 2010 No.660471 >>660422 Why should I? People can believe what ever the fuck they want to believe no matter how stupid the belief. That being said, troll harder.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:05:17 2010 No.660473 >>660468 atleast the evolution part on the rocks

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:05:17 2010 No.660474 >>660461 I believe in Gnomes. PROVE ME WRONG.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:06:17 2010 No.660475 File: 79 KB, 500x375, flying-spaghetti-monster.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Prove to me that this isn't your god. You can't!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:06:17 2010 No.660476 >>660461 I like how people assume and apply generic personality traits that humans with incredibly varied beliefs share to only one group of people with one certain belief. It's funny.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:06:17 2010 No.660477 >>660461 Hello mister troll.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:06:17 2010 No.660478 New Age bullshit is still bullshit

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:07:17 2010 No.660479 File: 54 KB, 539x421, mcluhan-3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>660460 Pantheism is not about the fucking bible

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:07:17 2010 No.660480 >>660476 Not my fault it's true. I make no claims one way or the other, so the burden of proof doesn't lie on me.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:09:17 2010 No.660489 >>660478 Einstein, spinoza, Henry David Thoreau, Walt Whitman- not new age

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:11:17 2010 No.660495 Forgive my ignorance, but doesn't "belief" take "proof" out of the equation?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:11:17 2010 No.660499 >>660476 >>660474 >>660471 >>660460 all of you are dealing with this as if your talking to a fundementalist christian- pantheism bares no relation to anthropomorphic Gods or Jesus.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:11:17 2010 No.660500 >>660480 Generalizations are cool aren't they?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:12:17 2010 No.660505 >I'm a pantheist. Prove to me God doesn't exist. Solipsism requires the fewest unprovable assertions, and so by way of Occam's Razor the burden of proof is on you to prove that anything outside of your mind exists.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:14:17 2010 No.660513 >>660499 When did I do that? I just said you could believe what ever you wanted to. Are you that incapable of rational thought that you must lump me for no reason other than I responded?

Anonymous Wed May 12 02:15:17 2010 No.660514
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>>660505

if a single human mind is the only thing that exists then it is has no exterior mind or universe out there that would define its limits then it is purely indefinable, ineffable, and useless to talk about. If you want to talk about there being something of yours 'out there' in your mental universe, you might as well just call yourself a hindu

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:16:17 2010 No.660520 >>660514 >implying I don't already identify as Hindu

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:16:17 2010 No.660521 >>660500 You're not doing much to prove it isn't a generalization. Being a butthurt atheist and all.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:17:17 2010 No.660523 >>660520 >implying that the OP gives a fuck

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:18:17 2010 No.660525 >>660521 I am neither atheist nor butthurt. Try harder man.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:19:17 2010 No.660528 >>660455 this

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:19:17 2010 No.660529 >>660422 Get this out of /lit/. You can take this to every other forum and have the same discussion.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:20:17 2010 No.660531 >>660495 It's OK. I wont ignore the elephant in the room. The answer is yes.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:21:17 2010 No.660532 >>660520 >implying that i wasn't implying that your were a hindu trolling as a solipsist.

Anonymous Wed May 12 02:21:17 2010 No.660533

>>660480
My belief in atheism is pretty simple for me to explain, using a little bit of Sartre and Russell. Russell is far better used as an argument against Christianity in particular, but some of his analysis obviously applies to all religious/theistic views.
I just rarely choose to engage people about it. I don't get "butthurt." It doesn't matter to me what somebody else believes, or doesn't believe, about the subject. What matters to me is what they do with/about it. The question of God is mostly a moot point that I agree with the Sophists on: "The question is complex and life is short."
I'm replying to you because you're making an assumption about atheists that is quite simply a stereotype. Period. Theists and atheists alike get quite offended when their beliefs are "threatened" by others aggressively questioning them. Your stereotype is therefore, like all stereotypes, erroneous.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:22:17 2010 No.660535 File: 18 KB, 252x248, 1273103480279.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>660525 Suuuuure you aren't.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:22:17 2010 No.660537 File: 101 KB, 900x726, shark.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>660475 dude, everyone knows that pastafarianism is compatible with pantheism

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:23:17 2010 No.660538 >>660533 Doho, so you admit that atheism is a belief?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:23:17 2010 No.660539 >>660538 "Calling atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:24:17 2010 No.660541 >>660539 Terrible analogy is terrible.

Anonymous Wed May 12 02:25:17 2010 No.660544

Hey seriously, this is a literature board. While it is nice to have this kind of argument every fucking day, OP should have taken it to /sci/, /r9k/, /adv/, /cgl/, /wg/ or anywhere else.

Have your beliefs and cherish them, whatever keeps you warm at night. But keep these fucking threads somewhere else. I don't shit on your dinner table. Stop shitting on mine.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:26:17 2010 No.660549 Atheism isn't a religion any more than trinitarianism, metaphysical naturalism, or ontological objectivism is. It is a very specific philosophical idea, which is almost entirely meaningless without some other metaphysical context.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:26:17 2010 No.660551 RELIGION EXISTS BECAUSE HUMANS CAN NOT ACCEPT CEASING TO EXIST. THEREFORE, RELIGION IS WEAKNESS.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:26:17 2010 No.660552 >>660539 Buddhism is atheistic, certain schools of hinduism are atheistic, secularism is the atheistic religion of the modern era of the west.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:27:17 2010 No.660554 >>660552 Squares are a type of rectangle, but that doesn't mean rectangles are a type of square.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:27:17 2010 No.660555 >>660541 Hair=theism Hair color=Type of religion Lack of hair=atheism It's actually a good one.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:27:17 2010 No.660557 >>660541 Atheism = lack of religious belief Bald = lack of hair

Anonymous Wed May 12 02:28:17 2010 No.660559

>>660538
Atheism is a belief, yes, in a certain sense. It has far less assumptions within it as a belief, however, which is why it is not a system of beliefs. There is only one provided claim to believe in - there is no god. The rest of the questions which follow from it have an empirical basis in scientific or philosophical concepts. This is why atheists are an incredibly varied group in every other imaginable way, whereas theists group themselves by the arrangement of their belief systems, i.e. sects/branches of the major religions.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:28:17 2010 No.660560 File: 479 KB, 1024x684, dreams.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>660551 pantheism fully accepts death, and posits no afterlife. There is no weakness, only balls.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:29:17 2010 No.660564 >>660557 see >>660552

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:30:17 2010 No.660567 The very fact that these threads exist is reason enough for me to hate all vocal theists on the internet.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:32:17 2010 No.660570 >>660555 A more appropriate analogy would be to equate different religions with different hair styles, the combining thread being the hair.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:33:17 2010 No.660573 File: 32 KB, 185x200, fail and aids.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] so far everyone's done a pretty good job at mistaking pantheism for the abrahamic branch of beliefs, followed by lots of fail and misconception.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:33:17 2010 No.660575 >>660559 Hey, you're the first internet atheist I've ever met that I respect. All the rest just go "derpa doo not a religion oh what you don't make a claim one way or the other LOL FENCE SITTER DO YOU BELIEVE IN THE FLYING SPAGHETTI MONSTER?"

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:33:17 2010 No.660577 >>660564 see >>660554 Is this really happening? Are you so insecure in your beliefs that you have to shit on literature board?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:33:17 2010 No.660580 Come, come now, /lit/. You're above this. Are you not?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:34:17 2010 No.660581 File: 33 KB, 449x529, anonymous.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>660577 i didnt do that

Anonymous Wed May 12 02:34:17 2010 No.660582

>>660559
>Atheism is a belief, yes, in a certain sense.
Nope.
>There is only one provided claim to believe in - there is no god.
Nope.
Atheism in it's broadest sense is a lack of belief in god and not necessarily a claim that god's do not exist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:35:17 2010 No.660583 >>660573 And lots of mistaking atheism for a religion.

Anonymous Wed May 12 02:35:17 2010 No.660585

>>660559
I don't believe in unicorns. Does that make me an aunicornist? Does that mean I have a certain anti-unicorn belief system loaded with untenable assumptions? Or does it just mean that I don't believe in a mythical being that others do?

I don't believe in vampires. Does that mean I'm an avampirist? Does that mean I have a certain anti-vampire belief system loaded with untenable assumptions? Or does it just mean that I don't believe in a mythical being that others do?

I don't believe in God. Does that mean I'm an atheist? Does that mean I have a certain belief system loaded with untenable assumptions? Or does it just mean that I don't believe in a mythical being that others do?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:35:17 2010 No.660586 >>660575 He's also an idiot.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:35:17 2010 No.660589 I think this thread got lost /b/ is to the left.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:36:17 2010 No.660591 >>660583 No one ever said religion. They said belief. Atheism is a belief in no gods. Don't go "lol it's a lack of belief in gods." Don't give me that. That's the same thing, any argument otherwise is just semantics.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:36:17 2010 No.660592 >>660575 But it isn't a religion.

Anonymous Wed May 12 02:36:17 2010 No.660593

>>660573
The thread began with the complete fail of "Prove to me God..."
Nothing else was required. Anyone who thinks they have "proof" of the answers to these questions is a complete moron. There's a reason we've been arguing this shit since mankind's beginnings, and guess what, you're not the genius that's going to blow it all away. If you were, you'd be writing the book and speaking to the masses about it and you wouldn't be on fucking 4chan spreading the Good News that will save humanity, one way or the other, either way you look at the problem, that's what atheists and theists who so vehemently argue this shit are trying to do. Which is why both sides are full of arrogant, judgmental shitheads.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:36:17 2010 No.660594 >>660580 I hope so. But again, remember the poll data for lit. 70% of you are male 90% of males are 17-24 I remember thinking I knew it all.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:36:17 2010 No.660595 >>660583 atheism is a lack of a belief in God, not necessarily religion. Buddhism and some hindu sects have no Gods, but they are very religious.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:37:17 2010 No.660597 >>660591 >Atheism is a belief in no gods. Nope. >Don't go "lol it's a lack of belief in gods." Don't give me that. That's the same thing Nope.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:37:17 2010 No.660598 >>660585 Too bad you can disprove unicorns and vampires but not an omnipotent being.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:38:17 2010 No.660602 >>660597 Too bad you're wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:38:17 2010 No.660603 >>660598 You can disprove unicorns? Are you honestly saying there are no unicorns in the entire universe?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:39:17 2010 No.660606 >>660591 see >>660552 I'm just saying that this is ridiculous and that everybody should believe what ever they want to. Atheism IS a belief, a belief in fact and rational thought.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:39:17 2010 No.660607 File: 20 KB, 500x359, einstein_235.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] pantheist fag signing off. fucking using my general relativity and shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:39:17 2010 No.660608 >>660603 Hey, on another planet there damn well might be, but I'm pretty sure there aren't any on Terra.

Anonymous Wed May 12 02:40:17 2010 No.660611

>>660598
Ummm...how do you disprove unicorns and vampires? Because you've never seen them? If you believe in an omnipotent extra-dimensional sky entity, why can't you believe that there are horned horses and blood-sucking sparkly men lying hidden somewhere in the world?

Anonymous Wed May 12 02:41:17 2010 No.660614

>>660606

atheism has nothing to do with rational thought, those are rationalists, and they have rationalist theist. The inventor of rationalism was a theist. Atheism goes as far as saying "i dont belief in God' and no farther. I think we can all attest to saying we've met dumb irrational atheists.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:43:17 2010 No.660620 File: 41 KB, 480x481, chaosmagick2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] everyone who posted on this thread got trolled so fucking hard.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:43:17 2010 No.660622 >>660611 Simple. We've been lots of places in the world and never seen evidence for either. We've never been to another dimension or further out than the edges of our solar system, really.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:45:17 2010 No.660628 File: 12 KB, 276x188, karl popper 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>660622 this bitch does not know how falsification works

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:45:17 2010 No.660629 god is man . . man is god it's PANtheism bub, everything is god

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:45:17 2010 No.660634 >>660622 I've never seen someone from Kazakhstan. I guess that means they don't exist.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:46:17 2010 No.660636 File: 52 KB, 198x255, feyerabend3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>660628 PAUL FEYERABEND LAUGHS AT YOUR FALSIFICATIONISM!!!!

Anonymous Wed May 12 02:47:17 2010 No.660639

>>660602
Actually you are.
Believing that there are no gods and having a lack of belief is gods is to different things.

Take a baby or a man who has never known of the concept of god. What positive belief do they hold on gods? None. They have a lack of belief in gods. Now look at some asshole who claims, THERE ARE NO GODS. That is a belief. This is not semantics. Agnostic atheism makes no assertion that there are no gods, but only holds that the evidence for the existence of gods is too little to warrant the belief in gods or an acceptance of the god hypothesis.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:47:17 2010 No.660640 Boy, do I love discussing literature!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:47:17 2010 No.660641 >>660628 Aren't you atheists the ones who always go "ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE DURRHURR?"

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:47:17 2010 No.660642 God isn't some damned superhero. He's not a genie granting wishes. God is the whole of existence; the countable and the uncountable.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:48:17 2010 No.660645 >>660639 If babies and men have no concept of god, then how did man come by the belief in god?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:49:17 2010 No.660650 >>660641 What about Flying Spaghetti Monster? We haven't ever been to the Spaghetti Galaxy! How can you deny him?!?!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:50:17 2010 No.660652 File: 46 KB, 459x459, nice.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>660645 babies dont belief in God. All babies are born atheists God doesn't exists Babies can't count Babies don't belief in math Math doesn't exist

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:50:17 2010 No.660655 >>660650 Hey, never said I did. Somewhere out there he might be floating around in his atmosphere of pure spaghetti sauce.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:51:17 2010 No.660656 >>660645 >If babies and man have no concept of witches and werewolves, then how did man come to believe in witches and werewolves?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:51:17 2010 No.660659 If theism is so bad, how come a theist invented the scientific method?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:52:17 2010 No.660662 >>660645 cosmic security blanket

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:52:17 2010 No.660663 >>660656 Nice greentext. When you can argue like an adult come out from behind it and talk.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:52:17 2010 No.660664 >>660645 The same way people come to believe in leprechauns, ghosts, Alien abductions, Vampires, Santa ... ect.. ect..

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:52:17 2010 No.660665 Don't worry atheists Jesus loves everyone, even faith cripples like yourselves.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:52:17 2010 No.660667 File: 75 KB, 447x733, bacon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>660659 I declare thee pwned

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:54:17 2010 No.660671 File: 47 KB, 611x649, isaac_newton_hd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>660667 and I

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:55:17 2010 No.660677 File: 3 KB, 119x118, renes descartes.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>660671 And I as well

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:55:17 2010 No.660679 >>660659 lol I can just imagine a bunch of neckbeards clenching their fists and sputtering in impotent rage

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:56:17 2010 No.660680 >>660663 Babies and man can conceive of many things that don't exist. In English we call it "imagination."

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:57:17 2010 No.660682 >>660629 I had a turkey sandwich for dinner. It tasted like shit. God is shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:57:17 2010 No.660683 File: 3 KB, 126x114, cereal.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why the fuck did everyone go from discussing spinozan pantheism to Christianity. Wtf is that shit

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:57:17 2010 No.660684 >>660683 Jesus was here.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:58:17 2010 No.660688 >>660677 >>660671 >>660667 >implying pop culture of the era is any validity to your argument.

Anonymous Wed May 12 02:59:17 2010 No.660691
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>>660683
the OP started talking about spinozan pantheism- he was about the only one, everything devolved into an atheist v christian cesspool afterwords because they've been programmed to via conditioning from the man.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:59:17 2010 No.660694 >>660688 lulz, that's the only argument you can come up with? Face it, you were pwned.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 02:59:17 2010 No.660695 >>660684 brb lol

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:00:17 2010 No.660698 >>660691 So...atheists are just reverse Christians! It all makes sense now.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:00:17 2010 No.660699 File: 105 KB, 750x760, OPINIONS.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>660688 Scientism and materialism was an invention of pre-Renaissance christian fathers. How does that make you atheists feel?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:01:17 2010 No.660700 >>660694 >not approaching the idea in my previous greentext also, i just got hurr, brah. JUST TOO BUSY SHUTTIN' YOU DOWN.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:01:17 2010 No.660701 >>660691 It did not devolve into that. It's mostly about misconceptions about atheism.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:01:17 2010 No.660703 >>660700 You're just mad that a Muslim invented the scientific method.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:02:17 2010 No.660705 >>660699 Science and materialism existed before Jesus.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:03:17 2010 No.660707 >>660701 You mean what atheism really is vs. what atheists want you to think

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:03:17 2010 No.660708 >>660701 >implying that people have more misconceptions about atheism then pantheism, even though this thread shows the opposite.

Anonymous Wed May 12 03:03:17 2010 No.660709
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>>660699

88 here. Your claim that Christianity has ANYTHING to do with this is ridiculous. Honestly, the only value that Christianity had to any of those scientific movements' originators was the fact that, pre-Renaissance, only people that went to seminary received any education whatsoever.

So shut the hell up. Christianity is irrelevant. Nigger.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:03:17 2010 No.660710 >>660705 So it was invented by Polytheists. That just magnifies your pwnage.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:04:17 2010 No.660711 File: 111 KB, 714x954, ibn_al_haytham.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>660703 'Sup guys, praise Allah! Science rules.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:04:17 2010 No.660712 >>660709 >is raging because the scientific fathers were Christians.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:04:17 2010 No.660713 >>660709 Oh, sure, but if an atheist comes up with something all of a sudden it's hot shit. Face it bro, u mad.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:05:17 2010 No.660714 >>660710 Why does it?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:06:17 2010 No.660715 >>660714 Because they believed in more than one god. Surely that must make you rage more than people believing in just one god.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:07:17 2010 No.660717 >>660705 >implying anything existed before jesus

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:07:17 2010 No.660718 >>660713 >>660712 honestly, faith is irrelevant to me. I'm technically Deist, I guess, but it isn't the people that make the discoveries, it's the discoveries themselves. Honestly, the faith issue is irrelevant to the science behind it

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:07:17 2010 No.660721 >>660715 Why would I rage that people believe in god/gods?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:07:17 2010 No.660722 >>660718 >implying those discoveries would have been made without religion

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:08:17 2010 No.660723 File: 98 KB, 281x349, dharmakirti.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey y'all, I'm a Buddhist, one of the first Atomists, atheist, lol.

Anonymous Wed May 12 03:09:17 2010 No.660725

>>660722
"Philosopher Alan Watts criticized science for operating under a materialist model of the world that he posited is simply a modified version of the Abrahamic worldview, that "the universe is constructed and maintained by a Lawmaker" (commonly identified as God or the Logos). Watts asserts that during the rise of secularism through the 18th to 20th century when scientific philosophers got rid of the notion of a lawmaker they kept the notion of law, and that the idea that the world is a material machine run by law is a presumption just as unscientific as religious doctrines that affirm it is a material machine made and run by a lawmaker"

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:09:17 2010 No.660726 >>660722 Fucking dumbass. Read the previous posts. Religion was the driving force ONLY because it allowed said scientists to receive education. Take a high-school level history class, you undereducated faggot.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:09:17 2010 No.660727 Sure is /lit/ in here...

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:09:17 2010 No.660729 >>660721 Because your a fagtheist.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:10:17 2010 No.660730 >>660722 Well, Galileo wouldn't have been killed and scientists from the 1400's - 1700's wouldn't have had to submit their research to the church censor before it was published.

Anonymous Wed May 12 03:11:17 2010 No.660731

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2. Because it encourages racism, misogyny, stealing, homophobia, ethnocentrism, rape, murder, and child molestation.

3. Because it does not encourage a community environment, but in fact a horde mentality, which can further lead to anarchy and possibly terrorism.

4. Because it dilutes entertainment down to its rudimentary form: instant gratification. Thus, it discourages people to seek out more refined forms of entertainment.

5. Because it reinforces the stereotype that the Internet is a cultural wasteland, and must be shut down to perverse the fact that the Internet is, if nothing else, serious business.

6. Because /r/ does not deliver.

7. Because no one thinks my memes are funny.

4chan.org is a cancer on human society, and must be dealt with accordingly.

Sincerely,
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?4chan&1

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:11:17 2010 No.660733 >>660725 >>660726 >>660730 >bawwww theists invented science and the scientific method better downplay their involvement >bawwwwwww >I hope I look cool in front of the guys

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:11:17 2010 No.660734 >>660729 I don't believe that fags are gods. I don't believe in any gods actually. What does that have to do with the Greeks anyway?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:11:17 2010 No.660735 >>660730 >Galileo >killed by Church Learn 2 history, friend

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:12:17 2010 No.660736 >>660733 Are you like 6? Man, these new theists are very annoying.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:12:17 2010 No.660738 >>660734 >lol I bet I look clever now good thing I read that Dawkins book

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:13:17 2010 No.660741 >>660736 It's no different than what you atheists were doing earlier in the thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:13:17 2010 No.660742 File: 19 KB, 420x367, 3321.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This thread is 4 people and Kirk Cameron calling people names.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:13:17 2010 No.660743 >>660735 Oh sorry, I was thinking of Giordano Bruno

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:14:17 2010 No.660745 lol @ butthurt atheists Allah invented your science. Where is your Dawkins now?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:15:17 2010 No.660751 >>660738 The only Richard Dawkins books I read was The Ancestors Tale, kind of boring.. I don't see how it's content is related to the discussion at hand.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:16:17 2010 No.660753 >>660741 Where? I just got here.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:16:17 2010 No.660754 >>660751 >oh no he's on to me better act like I don't know what he's talking about >jeez I'm so smart and superior I wonder why people don't like me more

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:18:17 2010 No.660758 >>660429 ----> >>660754 You all are fucking retarded. Jesus.

Anonymous Wed May 12 03:19:17 2010 No.660762

>>660422
The issue is not and never has been that we, i'm an agnostic not an atheist, have to prove anything to you. We do not make any claim except that you fail to make a good case for your imaginary deity.
Your demand is in fact a well known logical error, it is so well known that I have a hard time believing that you have not encountered it before. You are making an appeal to ignorance. The arguement you make takes the form . You cant prove my God doesn't exist, therefor my God must exist. even in a less aggressive form its equally in error, You cant prove my God doesn't exist therefore my position is on equal intellectual footing to yours, this could be the case but that depends on the other view being equally unsupported by evidence not just because your position cant be unproven.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:21:17 2010 No.660770 File: 879 KB, 625x790, 1273335539537.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ITT

Anonymous Wed May 12 03:22:17 2010 No.660775

>>660754
I don't know what you are talking about, are trying to imply that what you put in the green text is what I am thinking? I can assure you that it isn't. I think you are referring to the Dawkins book The God Delusion. Anyhow, I have never read that book. I don't know why you would even mention it.. now that I have come to think about it.. What would be the relevance of me reading The God Delusion?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:24:17 2010 No.660784 >>660775 >oh jeez he's called my bluff better keep feigning ignorance >why didn't daddy love me?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:25:17 2010 No.660792 File: 25 KB, 389x388, cute baby.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>660784

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:31:17 2010 No.660806 /lit/ is not the place for this shit, you insufferable faggots.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:42:17 2010 No.660832 >>660806 Why do you think I took it upon myself to troll it into submission?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 03:46:17 2010 No.660842 >>660832 It was a trollthread to begin with. Trollthreads don't die because you countertroll them, just stop posting in it idiot.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 11:02:17 2010 No.661488 >>660699 >>660722 >>660694 >Implying that the greeks had nothing to do with it

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 11:26:17 2010 No.661513 >163 posts and 25 image replies omitted. Why do people still fall for this "Controversial statement. Prove me wrong." nonsense?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 11:38:17 2010 No.661528 Do I also need to prove the FSM, Invisible Pink Unicorns and fairies at the bottom of my garden don't exist for corresponding beliefs?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 11:44:17 2010 No.661538 >>661528 Fuck you for bumping this. It was dead, dude!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 12 11:54:17 2010 No.661552 >>661538 Relax. Chill out. Close thread if necessary. Close window if necessary. Simple.

>>	onionring !Rrxa7zePwI Wed May 12 11:56:17 2010 No.661554 + 167 posts and 26 image replies omitted. Click Reply to view. see, god doesn't exist. otherwise you would be banned.

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