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Anonymous Tue May 26 15:47:58 2015 No.6594425 [Reply] [Original]

So is stirner just ayn rand for hipsters?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 15:48:29 2015 No.6594428 >>6594425 ayn rand is ayn rand for hipsters

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 15:50:13 2015 No.6594440 Yeah! Another Stirner thread!

>>	Tallis !!y+12CeFwYOo Tue May 26 15:50:33 2015 No.6594443 >>6594425 >all things are nothing to me how retarded some translators can be

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 15:51:13 2015 No.6594445 File: 39 KB, 750x534, 456363636.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] But hipsters are just a spook

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 15:51:41 2015 No.6594446 >>6594443 help us out bruh

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 16:17:18 2015 No.6594564 >>6594425 >taking a picture of your screen >not wiping exif Turn on anti-aliasing you fucking mook

>>	familyistyranny !b2E8KBMQGk Tue May 26 16:19:01 2015 No.6594575 There are similarities. I am inclined to say that Ayn Rand is "incredibly underrated".

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 16:19:55 2015 No.6594580 >just >for spook'd af

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 16:21:01 2015 No.6594584 >>6594564 Laptop is ancient and has no internet so I can't prntscrn and upload. Exif doesn't have GPS so IDC Anti aliasing is for fags

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 16:44:25 2015 No.6594667 Pretty much. Any argument with Stirner fags will result in responses like; >spooks bro! >lol i bet you haven't even read the book >LMAO Karl Marx Just don't even bother.

Anonymous Tue May 26 16:51:46 2015 No.6594691

That passage appears to be pretty weak out of context. My concern isn't the concern of e.g. humanity or God, it is only my own concern... OK, but what does this achieve? Where does it lead to? Socrates would have replied: "tell me boy, if your concern is only your own, what does it mean for a concern to be your own or to not be your own? Furthermore, how can you determined which concern is your own and which not?"

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 17:21:42 2015 No.6594802 >>6594425 If you think that's the case, check out Emerson. I've heard him described as Ayn Rand for patricians.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 17:56:39 2015 No.6594917 >>6594802 >I've heard him described as Ayn Rand for patricians. But that's Diogenes.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 18:00:05 2015 No.6594932 How come I never hear Stirner talked about outside of /lit/?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 18:14:01 2015 No.6594975 >>6594932 the month we're in x2

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 18:15:12 2015 No.6594979 >>6594932 Same reason you never hear about NMH outside of /mu/.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 18:20:05 2015 No.6595001 >>6594932 You probably don't hang out with too many individualist anarchists.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 18:23:07 2015 No.6595015 >>6595001 Do individualist anarchists even hang out? kek

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 18:25:31 2015 No.6595026 >>6594979 I took a world music course once (bs multicultural req) and the professor was infatuated with NMH and Jeff Magnum.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 18:27:06 2015 No.6595041 >>6594932 Stirner is namedropped in Illuminatus, but it's crap

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 18:31:34 2015 No.6595050 >>6594564 4chan wipes exif

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 18:34:47 2015 No.6595064 File: 134 KB, 900x507, IMAG0146.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6594425 >>6594584 op, are you me? i also took pictures with my phone while reading stirner on my old netbook

Anonymous Tue May 26 18:46:44 2015 No.6595108

Stirner's idea of ownership is based purely on use
Rand's is Kantian
Stirner doesn't believe in rights
Rand's Objectivism pivots on them
Stirner doesn't object to stealing or murder
Rand has a strict morality that says it is okay to watch as someone rapes a child, but you cross the line the moment you decide not to return their pen

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 18:52:47 2015 No.6595135 its an attitude, not philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 18:55:13 2015 No.6595146 >>6594446 ich hab mein sach auf nichts gestellt

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 18:56:25 2015 No.6595152 >>6594932 Literally a conspiracy: http://www.lsr-projekt.de/poly/ennietzsche.html#k3..

Anonymous Tue May 26 18:57:11 2015 No.6595158
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lol no. Stirner was the first (and possibly only) person to realize that human thought chains are consious in the same way we are. Ayn Rand was just a gimme dat.

Also, Stirner realized that all humans are either consciously egotistic or volantarily and that all motivation is intrinsic. Ayn Rand thought the only rational way to live is by being greedy and hording material possessions and that is what everyone else wants. She completely ignores the fact many people don't even give a shit about the economy and pursue mental, emotional or physical strengths instead of purely material goals.

Basically, she was just a Jew obsessed with the material. Which is exactly what Stirner said the Jews only have the capacity to do.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 18:58:57 2015 No.6595169 >>6595158 >Also, Stirner realized that all humans are either consciously egotistic or volantarily and that all motivation is intrinsic its truly amazing that Stirner was the first person to be twelve years old

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 19:01:53 2015 No.6595181 >>6595108 >Rand's is Kantian in what way? she hates Kant.

Anonymous Tue May 26 19:02:21 2015 No.6595184

>>6595169

Twelve year olds don't "think" anyhting about the world yet. They try to get to the back of it and figure it out, and are concerned purely with the natural. They fear the parent's rod but don't realize the ideals behind it. That's when they turn into mongoloids and start rebelling.

>>	familyistyranny !b2E8KBMQGk Tue May 26 19:03:44 2015 No.6595190 >>6594667 Marxism and other faux-progressive thought should be under constant attack or it is preferable, were me, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 19:04:36 2015 No.6595194 >>6595158 I reckon you didn't read much philosophy besides Stirner.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 19:06:17 2015 No.6595205 >>6595181 Kant's idea of ownership is defined by being able to forbid other people from using something.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 19:07:01 2015 No.6595210 File: 326 KB, 476x536, stirner (2).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6594425 Rand was spooky.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 19:07:06 2015 No.6595211 >>6595158 >human thought chains are conscious in the same way we are I don't understand

Anonymous Tue May 26 19:07:37 2015 No.6595215

>>6595205
And Rand, by the way, makes this something heroic by having corporate owners sabotage and blow up their businesses when the government interferes too much, in order to ensure the workers don't take them over after the owners leave and go Galt.

familyistyranny !b2E8KBMQGk Tue May 26 19:07:52 2015 No.6595217

>>6595158
>Ayn Rand thought the only rational way to live is by being greedy and hording material possessions and that is what everyone else wants
No she said specifically that money is only a means to "happiness",
and that just having money is irrelevant.
The pursuit and the money are the two variables required.
The one can not live with out the other.

>She completely ignores the fact many people don't even give a shit about the economy and pursue mental, emotional or physical strengths instead of purely material goals
The same thing.
Money+Pursuit.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 19:08:03 2015 No.6595218 >>6595194 Good one

Anonymous Tue May 26 19:08:54 2015 No.6595226

>>6595194

Of course I did. I seperate Stirner's "spooks" from Hegels because Stirner's are physical. From what I could glean, "spooks" are the next stage up in evolution from humans. Humans are formed from cells. The activity of the cells gives rise to human consiousness, the creative nothing. Human thoughts and actions give rise to fixed ideas, which are also creative is also a creative nothing. A christian crusade were nothing more than the Christian God striking Allah with its hand.

Anonymous Tue May 26 19:25:13 2015 No.6595280

>>6595226
>Humans are formed from cells. The activity of the cells gives rise to human consiousness, the creative nothing.
I'm pretty sure Stirner would tell you that this idea of cell activity (being some ultimate reality and a foundation for creative nothing) is just another metaphysical spook. It is creative nothing that came up with the idea of activity of the cells and not the other way around. It is called "creative nothing" for a reason.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 19:27:28 2015 No.6595293 >>6595280 I agree. From your ego's point of view. And from the "spooks" point of view, it created you, as you created the cell, as the cell created its membranes.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 19:32:30 2015 No.6595319 >>6595050 No it don't

Anonymous Tue May 26 19:37:19 2015 No.6595349

>>6594425
They're irreconcilably different. To put it extremely simply:

Ayn Rand: The rules as they are suck, we should change them to these different rules that I like, because they will benefit the type of people I like.

Stirner: The rules are silly nonsense lads. That said, do as you please.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 19:41:07 2015 No.6595369 >>6595349 >The rules are silly nonsense lads. That said, do as you please. But... Everybody already does as they please. Some want the rules and thus strive to continually produce the rules as a reality.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 19:42:25 2015 No.6595377 >>6595369 Yes, people do what they please already, but they may not realise that the rules are silly nonsense.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 19:45:10 2015 No.6595384 >>6594446 I've set my cause on nothing

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 19:46:11 2015 No.6595387 >>6594975 underrated

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 20:24:32 2015 No.6595554 >>6595369 They do in a way, but when you tell them about fake boundaries they may do so in a different way. A child does as it pleases differently if it no longer believes there's a spook in its closet, for example.

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>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 22:34:17 2015 No.6596161 >>6594979 Maybe try leaving 4chan once in a while. NMH is widely known among non-plebs.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 26 22:40:43 2015 No.6596193 >>6594425 Did you take a pic of your computer screen

>>	Anonymous Wed May 27 00:17:35 2015 No.6596640 >>6596193 see >>6594584

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