Hi, /lit/. I've lost my virginity, but I'm feeling really bad about it and I don't even know why. What are some books (fiction or non fiction) that deal with this kind of remorse in males? I suppose it is more common among women, right? Don't bully me pls

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Anonymous Sat May 16 21:33:22 2015 No.6550257 [Reply] [Original]

Hi, /lit/.
I've lost my virginity, but I'm feeling really bad about it and I don't even know why.

What are some books (fiction or non fiction) that deal with this kind of remorse in males? I suppose it is more common among women, right?

Don't bully me pls

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 21:34:12 2015 No.6550260 >>6550257 the new testament. repent, heathen! >REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 21:35:21 2015 No.6550264 Why are you feeling bad?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 21:43:21 2015 No.6550285 Don't worry you're just a repressed sodomite.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 21:45:22 2015 No.6550293 >>6550264 Probably because I'm not used to be close to other people, so it was a very strange experience for me. But I'm not sure at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:00:50 2015 No.6550354 HOLY FUCK I WOULD STRANGLE YOU IN THIS VERY MOMENT IF I COULD Nietzsche Genealogy of the Morals or Stirner

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:02:40 2015 No.6550363 >>6550257 It looks like you've been subconsciously indoctrinated.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:06:32 2015 No.6550376 >>6550363 I'm not a christian and my family is very liberal

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:14:01 2015 No.6550400 >>6550376 You still know what is to be a christian, that can influence you Also secular morality is a thing

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:14:29 2015 No.6550405 >>6550376 The hostile attitude towards sex is deeper in culture than you may think. But my guess is your guilt may come from your approach to life or something deep within your psychology/personality. Follow this guy's advice >>6550354

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:14:58 2015 No.6550406 File: 26 KB, 258x404, info.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6550376 that don't mean that you aren't indoctrinated. also The Manipulated Man

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:17:53 2015 No.6550415 >>6550257 The Once and Future King

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:19:06 2015 No.6550420 File: 24 KB, 288x252, 1420755588215.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >If I feel bad about losing my virginity, it's because I've been indoctrinated by evil repressive culture

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:20:34 2015 No.6550426 >>6550420 It would seem so. A caveman would celebrate the event. It's his instinctual drive to reproduce.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:21:49 2015 No.6550434 >>6550426 Nice argument from nature

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:23:01 2015 No.6550441 >>6550376 christians have better attitudes about sex than atheists in general.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:24:24 2015 No.6550448 >>6550441 Would you care to explain?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:26:05 2015 No.6550455 >>6550434 I didn't say that losing your virginity was morally good. I'm saying it's interesting a human would feel guilt about the main thing he's programmed to do.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:27:29 2015 No.6550462 >>6550455 Ok, I apologize then. I get what you mean

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:27:59 2015 No.6550466 >>6550420 Look, you guys who have decided to become puritan because you don't want to grow emotionally beyond childhood - you are the pandas of your race, you understand that? You're hurtling towards extinction with pursed lips and clenched assholes.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:28:59 2015 No.6550468 >>6550257 I can't think of any books that would. It's probably being inhibited before that. The solution is more sex.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:29:02 2015 No.6550469 >>6550455 remember there is an emotional aspect behind it, OP just got the most intimate you can get, so he obviously feels guilt if he got intimate with a random woman

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:30:15 2015 No.6550474 >>6550469 That's not obvious at all. How have you let this happen to your minds? There's no guilt in pleasure.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:32:24 2015 No.6550479 >>6550474 of course there is

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:33:40 2015 No.6550482 >>6550469 If that is the reason he feels guilt than he must be subtly indoctrinated. A caveman would fuck all the women in sight (provided they weren't horrendously ugly thus indicating poor genetics).

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:34:07 2015 No.6550484 >>6550479 Why would you feel guilty about losing your virginity to 'a random woman'? It has no intrinsic value, it's just a form of ignorance. Going from ignorance to knowledge can only be a good thing.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:35:10 2015 No.6550488 >>6550257 Mein gott pure ideology

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:36:41 2015 No.6550491 >>6550482 A caveman would also take a shit in full view of the other cavemen. Too bad we've been subtly indoctrinated against freely shitting wherever we please. Society, man

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:39:47 2015 No.6550501 >>6550484 because the act is the most intimate you can get with another person, of course it has a value

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>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:42:16 2015 No.6550507 >>6550501 >inherent value I hope you mean psychological value.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:42:32 2015 No.6550510 File: 56 KB, 465x357, moshimoshi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6550501 >the act is the most intimate you can get with another person lol dumb

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:42:35 2015 No.6550511 >>6550501 Of course it has an immense value. For it's own sake. You're suggesting it has a capitalist rarity value. That's fucked up.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:43:45 2015 No.6550514 >>6550474 >There's no guilt in pleasure. Then why do we have guilty pleasures?

Anonymous Sat May 16 22:45:25 2015 No.6550522

>>6550257
If OP is still here I would like to know: do you ask this question hoping that you will be able to overcome your guilt because you think it's something you shouldn't feel guilty about? Or do you want an explanation as to why you feel guilty when you didn't think you would be going into it?

Or do you just want to air something that's on your mind? That's fine too

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:49:51 2015 No.6550535 File: 10 KB, 200x315, 1363546977831.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6550511 >value for it's own sake

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:50:14 2015 No.6550536 >>6550257 >I've lost my virginity, but I'm feeling really bad about it and I don't even know why. it's because you broke the natural law OP

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:52:37 2015 No.6550541 >>6550514 I don't. It's a stupid phrase.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:53:37 2015 No.6550545 >>6550535 > haha, nobody knows I'm scared to fuck

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:55:58 2015 No.6550554 Post coital tristesse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-coital_tristesse >The phenomenon is famously traced to the Greek doctor Galen, who wrote "Every animal is sad after coitus except the human female and the rooster".

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:56:05 2015 No.6550556 File: 445 KB, 1427x2012, 14312367683242.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6550257 i want to sell my virginity so i can keep neeting. what's the going price for 23 year old boipus?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:56:08 2015 No.6550557 Is it because she was ugly?

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:57:07 2015 No.6550559 >>6550522 OP here. My main intention is understand why I'm feeling this remorse since it's not common among men. At some point I'll overcome the guilt, but I'm curious about it.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 22:59:52 2015 No.6550572 >>6550559 Thanks for answering. IMO, I wouldn't worry about whether or not these feelings are common among men. What matters are your own, individual feelings.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 23:00:52 2015 No.6550577 Out of personal curiosity as to the makeup of this thread: http://strawpoll.me/4379366

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 23:01:00 2015 No.6550578 >>6550557 She wasn't pretty, but not ugly at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 23:03:08 2015 No.6550588 >>6550559 it's because you did wrong, happy?

Anonymous Sat May 16 23:05:40 2015 No.6550594

>>6550559
Pretty sure you got this
>>6550554
>Baruch Spinoza in his Tractatus de Intellectus Emendatione writes "For as far as sensual pleasure is concerned, the mind is so caught up in it, as if at peace in a [true] good, that it is quite prevented from thinking of anything else. But after the enjoyment of sensual pleasure is past, the greatest sadness follows. If this does not completely engross, still it thoroughly confuses and dulls the mind."

Anonymous Sat May 16 23:06:14 2015 No.6550597

>>6550559
whether it's common or not among men is a non-issue and irrelevant

whether it's common or not among people is a more relevant question though still pretty non-interesting

do you feel that you've lost something op? maybe it's the ol loss-of-innocence blues

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 23:06:22 2015 No.6550599 >>6550588 Wrong is a spook.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 23:09:52 2015 No.6550605 It's because, you fuck, are scaried about having a children. This is totally uncounscious. Once you realize that no children appeared from the copulation, then you will be at ease

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 23:15:11 2015 No.6550623 >>6550577 the results of that are really odd. i guess it's nice to see a diversity of opinion.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 23:20:46 2015 No.6550641 >>6550623 They are all lying, no one knows the truly horror that comes from losing your virginity, you lose your consciousness and you become a robot looking at how your body works without you being capable of stopping it Truly the original sin

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 23:21:10 2015 No.6550642 >>6550597 Not exactly as I've lost something, but sometimes I can only associate my sexuality to that girl

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 23:28:50 2015 No.6550662 >>6550594 >>6550554 After thinking I guess I can relate to that. Thanks for the posts, anon

Anonymous Sat May 16 23:33:22 2015 No.6550672

>>6550641
I enjoy to be the one someone in a relationship is fucking that's not their partner. It really turns me on and it's really the only time I get into sex. All my sex in relationships is pretty tame, I mean I'm alright but I don't have the passion and I'm not fully in the moment like I am when the other person is in a relationship. I like to fuck them and then think about the shame they may feel around their lover, and how they might lie about where they were and what they were doing. It is so liberating ... to operate outside of the traditional monogamy paradigm. I love every second of my sex life.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 23:34:48 2015 No.6550677 File: 1.10 MB, 400x224, 1396799748379.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6550641 >3spooky5me

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 23:41:42 2015 No.6550702 >>6550599 Spook has no meaning

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 23:42:40 2015 No.6550705 >>6550702 Meaning is a spook.

Anonymous Sat May 16 23:50:13 2015 No.6550729

Virginity isn't a social construct like these faggot socialists would have you believe.

Virginity is an actual metaphysical condition of your soul, so that when you lose your virginity something changes in you. How do I know this? In ancient times the "gods" (demons) would ask specifically for virgin sacrifices. Think about the significance of this. Satanists today still use virgins in their human sacrifices. This applies to men too, not just women.

It's very unnatural to have "casual sex". In future you should marry first and have sex for the sake of children. This will remove guilt because it will put sex towards its proper rational end and will not reduce you to an animal.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 23:57:27 2015 No.6550740 File: 47 KB, 468x511, 1405283405899.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6550729 >talks about souls and being rational in the same post

Anonymous Sat May 16 23:57:34 2015 No.6550741

>>6550376

>I'm not a christian

The West has been shaped by Christianity.

You may not be Christian but you still live within a society built on Christian tenets - at least in appearance.

>>6550426

>A caveman would celebrate the event.

Horrible analogy.

A caveman would also celebrate his murdering of a foe who wronged him for petty transgressions.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 16 23:59:39 2015 No.6550744 >>6550741 >A caveman would also celebrate his murdering of a foe who wronged him for petty transgressions. Yes, and?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:00:08 2015 No.6550746 >>6550729 >and will not reduce you to an animal Just the kind of animal who would make hateful shitposts on 4chan. How far you've come oh enlightened paragon of spirit.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:01:15 2015 No.6550749 >>6550744 >Yes, and? And you're an edgelord for still standing by it.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:01:39 2015 No.6550751 >>6550740 well yes, rationality is a part of the soul. reason can't exist as a reaction between chemicals in the brain

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:03:26 2015 No.6550756 >>6550749 Ok. That's not really an actual criticism.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:04:24 2015 No.6550760 >>6550257 Catcher in the Rye. He feels bad all book, twenty times.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:04:37 2015 No.6550761 >>6550751 Is this some Aquinas bullshit?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:05:52 2015 No.6550765 >>6550705 common sense is a spook guess ya dont have that one, eh?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:06:58 2015 No.6550767 >>6550761 it is, that's why it's true

Anonymous Sun May 17 00:07:30 2015 No.6550768
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>be a virgin male
>desolate feelings after masturbation
>pray to Virgin Mary
>morning erection and desires to masturbate go away
>lust replaced with an interior joy over purity such as I have never experienced, not even as a child
>The thought or sight of nudity just passes through me without the least disturbance
>My little flaccid penis just sits there unmoved
>realize that virginity is real, promiscuity is demonic, and women who say otherwise have a guilty conscience

you should've prayed :^)

>tfw a woman reading this post feels a twinge of guilt and shame, and this will never go away until she's brutalized herself so much through fucking that she has no sensibility left, or until she gets down and cries at Christ's feet like the Magdalene

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:08:36 2015 No.6550772 File: 67 KB, 600x600, viper kill urself my man.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6550751 >reason can't exist as a reaction between chemicals in the brain

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:10:38 2015 No.6550780 >>6550756 Do you have any ethical beliefs whatsoever? Because if you have even one single ethical position on anything in society citing an ethically neutral precursor like "cavemen" in any ethical context makes you a hypocritical edgemax dunce.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:11:36 2015 No.6550781 >>6550768 >desolate feelings after masturbation That's called the refractory period. Dopamine receptors are blocked temporarily after orgasm.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:11:48 2015 No.6550782 >>6550772 Go on then, explains how a series of unintelligent and material causes can cause a unified and coherent intelligence capable of generating immaterial abstractions

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:12:38 2015 No.6550784 >>6550772 >he posts /mu/ memes on /lit/ If you're going to shit on a fedora don't go out of your way to appear even lamer.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:13:35 2015 No.6550786 >>6550780 I do not have a system of ethics, no. All ethical beliefs are emotional and thus temporary. They can change and they only exist when the feeling does.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:15:48 2015 No.6550792 >>6550786 Your ideas exist only when your feelings do then, and so you are a self-refuting sophist and Socrates will torture you in tartarus forever

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:16:12 2015 No.6550794 >>6550786 Natural law theory begs to differ

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:16:50 2015 No.6550797 >>6550786 Is your belief that ethical beliefs are emotional and thus temporary itself emotional and thus temporary?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:18:00 2015 No.6550802 >>6550782 Reaction between chemicals Frontal lobe This shit is Psychology 101 >>6550784 >Implying I give a fuck Kill yourself even harder

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:18:45 2015 No.6550803 >>6550786 >I do not have a system of ethics, no. All ethical beliefs are emotional and thus temporary. You're a fucking dork, kid. You follow the letter of the law and keep within the ethical guidelines of your society like a good boy.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:19:14 2015 No.6550805 >>6550749 >pussy 20th century onward values People kill each other, its normal Youve been brainwashed to preserve the rich's status quo They really need to legalize duels again

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:20:06 2015 No.6550807 >>6550782 I can feel the surface of an object. Does the sensation of the surface exist materially? The atomic arrangement that cause me to feel that sensation does. It is the same with thoughts.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:22:03 2015 No.6550813 >>6550807 http://www3.nd.edu/~afreddos/courses/43151/ross-immateriality.pdf no it isnt

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:22:04 2015 No.6550814 >>6550792 >>6550797 >refuting ethical ideas on the basis that they cannot be represented linguistically

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:24:24 2015 No.6550819 >>6550805 You're young and still mired in your angry contrarian phase. Don't worry. You'll probably grow out of it and see what a precocious little wank you were.

Anonymous Sun May 17 00:27:26 2015 No.6550833

>>6550802
>Reaction between chemicals

correlation does not imply causation, bitch

just because some part of the brain lights up with when I do something does not mean that my action is determined by my brain
you could say that whatever chemical reactions taking place in my brain causes my mind, my intentions
I could say that the movement of my mind/soul causes the chemical reactions in my brain

It's a metaphysical distinction that can't be answered by physical science. The thing is that my position is more natural, because we experience the "I", this simple unified thing, causing our own acts, we don't experience thousands of chemical reactions causing our acts, and if you say that our psychology deceives us on this point then you've basically undermined the basis of our thoughts and may as well say that every thought is deception and embrace quietism.
Also, the reason why we experience having an "I" that persist for years when all the particles in our body have been replaced by other particles is that there really is a simple substance that I am, whereas you have to explain it as an "epiphenomena", a kind of illusion that the reactions between thousands of neurons generates.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:28:59 2015 No.6550838 >>6550833 Oh for fucks sake go read some fujcking psychology you fucking dumb bitch nigger

Anonymous Sun May 17 00:31:21 2015 No.6550847

>>6550807
If your thoughts are really just atoms then why should I even care about what you think. I may as well go look at a pile of dust seeing as its all the same substance. Why are you even speaking to me.
Your speech should be like this

. . . . . . . . . . . .

just a series of atoms

Anonymous Sun May 17 00:31:43 2015 No.6550851

>>6550833
>we don't experience thousands of chemical reactions causing our acts

We do through our perception of them. We experience an uncountable number of atoms every day. But it's not like we experience every atom individually. Everything forms a mush of perception.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:32:30 2015 No.6550854 >>6550847 it's the arrangement, not the atoms

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:32:30 2015 No.6550855 >>6550838 OK goes off to read Plato

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:33:15 2015 No.6550858 >>6550847 We are programmed to care about certain arrangement of atoms.

Anonymous Sun May 17 00:33:21 2015 No.6550859

>>6550838

>I'm only pretending to have a clue but I don't even know enough about psychology to speak on it with any depth

That angry "nigger" posting might fly on /b/ but it means precisely shit all on /lit/. Either you have a rebuttal to his post or you don't.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:33:30 2015 No.6550860 >>6550833 dualists are so stupid

Anonymous Sun May 17 00:35:24 2015 No.6550865

>>6550859
Of course I don't i'm shitfaced to the core posting at 6 o clock my brain is more than fucked up
But reading that shit as someone who has studied psychology I can recognise it's nothing but bullshit pulled out from the ass
I don't even have to dismiss anything in his post

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:37:18 2015 No.6550870 >>6550851 Is your post just a mush of perception? If so, why should I acknowledge it any more than my doves mush of perception?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:38:54 2015 No.6550875 >>6550870 You know the answer because you are already acknowledging it just by responding

Anonymous Sun May 17 00:39:12 2015 No.6550877

>>6550865

If you're so shitfaced that you can't even remember anything from a topic that you've supposedly fucking studied then how could you possibly be in a condition to really parse what he is trying to say to you?

Just stop posting m8 you're too fucking drunk for it right now.

Anonymous Sun May 17 00:42:16 2015 No.6550885

>>6550870
I cannot stand this mindset. Once I begin to start talking about reality as it really is without any fantastic concepts such as souls they think I am denying life.

Hello. I am a human being and I really fucking care about certain arrangements of atoms. Get used to it.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:44:06 2015 No.6550892 >>6550885 souls are just the "forms" of living things, there is nothing fantastic about it

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:45:13 2015 No.6550896 >>6550860 hylemorphism is where it's at, kid

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:48:40 2015 No.6550902 >>6550896 go away Aristotle, you're supposed to be dead

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:50:10 2015 No.6550905 >>6550885 >reality as it really is That any human could think that they are initiated enough to speak on "reality as it really is" becomes the ultimate form of hubris to me.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:51:21 2015 No.6550910 >>6550905 I speak of our clearest perception of reality: that obtained through the scientific method.

Anonymous Sun May 17 00:53:02 2015 No.6550913

>>6550838

Nigger, psychology is made when you take the ontological world and you desworld it. It's like when you are doing PDE's, if you select a initial condition you lose *answers*. You can't go back because you already neglected it to get your 'non-human' response.

You can't make sense of the world from that desworldly posturing.

That's why you can't, ontologically speaking, get an "I" from psychology

It's that hard to understand?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:53:09 2015 No.6550916 >>6550910 but the scientific method presupposes a perception of reality >>6550902 but my soul subsists, kid :^)

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:55:10 2015 No.6550921 >>6550916 human language presupposes a perception of reality

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:55:23 2015 No.6550922 >>6550916 I use "reality as it really is" in a non-literal sense. "Reality as it really is" doesn't even exist. At this point in human development the scientific method is the farthest we have extended our perception of reality.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:57:06 2015 No.6550925 >>6550922 but if reality as it really is doesnt exist, then what's the point of discovering it through the scientific method?

Anonymous Sun May 17 00:58:17 2015 No.6550928

>>6550910

The scientific method is just the world without our wordliness (read, our meaning, all life, all ideas). If it gets better as 'science' it's because it has less *human* in it.

Now the funny thing is assuming that reality is what is when you take out the *meaning* part. For me that is not reality, it's void, like when you take a dictionary and point towards the words and say "this is reality", it lacks the context nigger.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 00:59:53 2015 No.6550929 >>6550925 No, through the scientific method we are discovering reality as it appears to humans. That is all that we can perceive. "Reality as it really is" doesn't exist because it is reality outside of perception, which doesn't exist.

Anonymous Sun May 17 01:00:27 2015 No.6550932
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>>6550257
>I suppose it is more common among women, right?
hum no

The feminists want that women have as much sex with the Chads as possible with the fewest consequences from the Chads and especially the betas

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:02:31 2015 No.6550937 >>6550929 but why are you assuming that reality is different depending on the species? why not go further and say reality varies between people?

Anonymous Sun May 17 01:05:21 2015 No.6550948
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>>6550929
>No, through the scientific method we are discovering reality as it appears to humans. That is all that we can perceive. "Reality as it really is" doesn't exist because it is reality outside of perception, which doesn't exist.

I would be more precise: through the scientific method we are plastering, on as many phenomena, the causal models via the mathematical language built around a few rules of

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:05:41 2015 No.6550950 >>6550937 There are common things between humans. Yes reality does vary between people, but there are enough similarities between humans that most of us agree on certain things.

Anonymous Sun May 17 01:09:11 2015 No.6550958

>>6550950
You are supposing this (because you can't go and ask 4 billion out of 7 billion humans whether they all agree on certain things), but I would agree. Why not go further and suppose that our close primate relatives, if asked in a manner they could understand (or responding in a way that we could understand), would also agree on those certain things?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:10:37 2015 No.6550963 >>6550950 so would it be valid if someone were to disagree on a aspect of reality? how can you be so sure people really agree on reality in the first place?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:11:15 2015 No.6550966 >>6550958 What are you trying to get at, anon?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:13:45 2015 No.6550968 >>6550966 Perhaps that we are discovering reality as it appears to life, justified in the similarities between lifeforms.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:13:49 2015 No.6550969 >>6550963 >so would it be valid if someone were to disagree on a aspect of reality? For them, but not for me >how can you be so sure people really agree on reality in the first place? I can't. As in all things, it merely seems that way.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:14:49 2015 No.6550972 >>6550968 Yes, you could go that far.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:17:01 2015 No.6550981 >>6550969 so why does the scientific method matter, if it doesnt reveal an objective reality?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:18:35 2015 No.6550983 >>6550981 Because it deepens perception. The quest for "objective knowledge" is stupid. What the hell is objective knowledge? Only a god could know.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:21:16 2015 No.6550990 >>6550983 only a god could know that 2+2=4? or that a triangle has 3 sides?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:21:16 2015 No.6550991 >>6550981 It's a more reliable method to establish collective reality

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:23:07 2015 No.6550996 >>6550991 so reality isnt established in the first place?

Anonymous Sun May 17 01:25:13 2015 No.6551002

>>6550990
A different being could think differently. I know those concepts sound basic and logical but they are specifically human concepts. Yes they are logical, but only to us. In the context of human knowledge at this time, yes that is objective. But taking a universal perspective, no.

However, all that matters in our human perception because we can do nothing else.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:27:04 2015 No.6551008 >>6550996 The existence of reality is different from the establishment of reality. Reality exists "out there", reality is established "in here" by assuming certain things about the nature of reality. Basically I mean establishing a collective ontology.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:30:52 2015 No.6551019 >>6551002 so if everyone were to disappear in a moment, would triangles stop having 3 sides?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:33:17 2015 No.6551027 >>6551019 That is an unanswerable question.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:34:17 2015 No.6551029 >>6551002 what the hell are human concepts anyway? we form concepts because we are humans (rational animals), we dont form concepts that apply to humans only

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:34:55 2015 No.6551032 >>6550729 >it will put sex towards its proper rational end and will not reduce you to an animal. Animals only have sex for procreation. Sex for pleasure is characteristic of the smarter species.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:35:10 2015 No.6551033 >>6551029 By definition we do. How can a human do something inhuman?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:37:04 2015 No.6551041 >>6551032 you misspelt "sinful species" :^^^)

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:38:28 2015 No.6551044 >>6551033 by doing something irrational? concepts apply to rational beings, not only humans

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:40:30 2015 No.6551053 >>6551044 Humans are not entirely rational all the time. We simply can be.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:42:54 2015 No.6551058 >>6551053 of course, but being rational is a power that comes from being human. A animal cant be rational

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:44:34 2015 No.6551060 >>6551058 Yup. At least not to the full extent that humans can.

Anonymous Sun May 17 01:44:51 2015 No.6551061

hey guys I just thought of something

what if christianity didn't conjure up some notion that sex is bad out of thin air

what if they sprung from the same kind of feeling that nowadays prompts feminist theories about sex and violence

what if sex is not morally neutral but actually tied up with some of the worst passions, anxieties, etc

what if sex is as bad as they say it is and you don't need to be religious to think so

what if religion isn't just about indoctrination, but rather has some real secular wisdom built into it

what if the reason so many people find religion is not that humans are on the whole impossibly stupid

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:47:53 2015 No.6551066 >>6551060 rationality doesnt come in degrees, you either are or you arent

Anonymous Sun May 17 01:55:23 2015 No.6551086

>>6551019
No, it would cease to be a triangle entirely. It would cease to be.

>>6551029
>we dont form concepts that apply to humans only
No, but they can only be understood by humans. They can be applied to anything humans know, but this application can only be done by a human. That's why bots can't solve the stupid food captcha.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 01:56:25 2015 No.6551090 >>6551041 Yes, intelligence is sinful. I assume you are familiar with Genesis.

Anonymous Sun May 17 02:02:58 2015 No.6551109
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>>6551061
You've discovered puritanism and the value of community. Solid speculation, dude.

I'm not trying to belittle you, I swear. I concur with you about your idea on religion bearing wisdom. I also say that sex can be very closely bound up with bad emotions and worse memories. I definitely agree that these notions people view as stupid didn't just happen because people are stupid and whatever.

But.

Sex can be a beautiful thing that unites and creates more than it could possibly destroy. Wisdom that religions hold can be inapplicable to some situations. People are stupid, too. None of this means you're wrong. It means that there things can be circumstantial. It also means that I'm a moron that can't decide on what side of the fence I want to sit on.

Okay I'm done.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 02:03:06 2015 No.6551110 >>6551066 That is, to meet human standards of rationality.

Anonymous Sun May 17 02:06:53 2015 No.6551121

>>6551086
>No, it would cease to be a triangle entirely.
that is absurd.
>No, but they can only be understood by humans.
they can be understood by rational beings
>That is, to meet human standards of rationality.
there isnt human rationality, just like there isnt christian morality or muslim algebra (harris a shit). There is only rationality

Anonymous Sun May 17 02:18:16 2015 No.6551149

>>6551121
>that is absurd
Humans are creators of the concept known as triangle. If there are no humans to validate it, it ceases to be entirely.

I get where you're coming from but I don't have compelling reasons to change my mind (and it is mostly semantic problems) therefore I will refrain from being uncivilized. Have a nice evening, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 02:20:59 2015 No.6551153 >>6551109 >it means that there things My bad.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 02:23:29 2015 No.6551160 >>6551149 we dont create concepts, we merely obtain them later,anon

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 02:23:31 2015 No.6551161 >>6551153 That's ok, the fact that you acknowledged your fuckup is a blessing in the skies.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 02:25:25 2015 No.6551167 >>6551061 Why would the most important thing to the perpetuation of our species, or any species of animal, be morally wrong? From a logical standpoint, that would make no sense.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 02:33:17 2015 No.6551188 >>6551167 it's only when the act goes contrary to its purpose that makes it morally wrong

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 02:33:52 2015 No.6551192 >>6550441 hahahahaha.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 03:17:48 2015 No.6551302 >>6551061 >secular wisdom >real painful

Anonymous Sun May 17 03:23:32 2015 No.6551311

>>6550819
And you've just decided that ironic meta contrarianism is the only way to maintain your own identity on an anonymous image-board.

Come on please, Stop pretending to be conservative Christians. If you really were one, you wouldn't come to a Khmer sculpture BBS filled with degenerate porn.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 03:25:45 2015 No.6551314 I spent days in agony thinking I wasn't the same person anymore after my first sexual experience. I couldn't look at the mirror and I hated myself.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 03:45:20 2015 No.6551342 >>6551314 >first sexual experience which was ? and at what age ?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 03:48:46 2015 No.6551349 >>6550441 I think you'll find they're pretty much exactly the same.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 09:10:17 2015 No.6551995 >>6550556 Male virginity is not worth anything, unless you are a child. The value decreases, and before you know it, you have to pay to get rid of it.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 09:28:06 2015 No.6552025 >>6550257 the once and future king, the ill made knight book sir lancelot gets tricked into sleeping with a woman and then regrets it because he lost his holy purity. its a theme he talks about a lot.

Anonymous Sun May 17 09:31:48 2015 No.6552034

>>6550501
>the act is the most intimate you can get with another person
no it isnt. the fact that you feel guilt for your first time is an indication that you felt little intimacy with that person in that moment.

sex can be the most intimate, but when i hold hands with my girlfriend its more intimate than hooker sex. context

Anonymous Sun May 17 09:42:58 2015 No.6552054

not op but i can relate to him. when i lost my virginity i felt bad, maybe because i thought it was supposed to be this intimate thing, and physically it is, but i didnt really feel connected to the girl emotionally. not as much as i expected i would. i still get sad sometimes when i think about sex because its not the magical thing these christians are going on about.
the other thing that brings me down about sex is that its naturally a violent act. my lizard brain kicks in and wants to get nasty with these girls, but later the next day i feel like a bad person for doing things depraved and perverted to another human being.
sex makes me think about solipsism, since even when youre doing the most private intimte things, your still actually alone.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 09:52:56 2015 No.6552078 >>6550257 So the sex wasn't good then...?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 10:03:27 2015 No.6552098 >he actually had sex You lost, OP.

Anonymous Sun May 17 10:09:27 2015 No.6552110

>>6552054
>the other thing that brings me down about sex is that its naturally a violent act. my lizard brain kicks in and wants to get nasty with these girls, but later the next day i feel like a bad person for doing things depraved and perverted to another human being.
me too, but I feel bad also beforehand

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 10:33:12 2015 No.6552186 >>6550448 It's a deeper thing because it ought to be sacred rather than pure pleasure. Also it is an event that can result in new life which is a gift from God himself.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 10:53:06 2015 No.6552237 >>6550405 >The hostile attitude towards sex is deeper in culture than you may think. I know this is true and I NEED to read more about it.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 11:00:05 2015 No.6552262 >>6550257 >Don't bully me pls It's pretty difficult considering the information you just gave about yourself which, amongst other things, imply you're either underage v&, some pathetic loser or both options.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 11:10:13 2015 No.6552296 Did you lose it in a loving, commited life-long relationship or a casual fuck?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 11:20:38 2015 No.6552329 >>6552296 >losing virginity while being in a >commited life-long relationship The only way I can imagine this to happen in 2015 is in an arranged marriage somewhere in India.

Anonymous Sun May 17 11:30:04 2015 No.6552363 [DELETED]

didn't have sex when it was expected of them, and they feel shame instead of liberation and happiness.
I'm going to make love with a person I want to spend my life with or not at all.

If the best argument you can come up with is LEL CHRISTIAN DESPERATE VIRGINS, that's sad.

I was in a position to fuck several people in my life, and upon reflection found it such a revolting, emotionally barren idea that I refused.

Anonymous Sun May 17 11:34:43 2015 No.6552376

>>6552329
That is why you are a sad human. So many people have refused to have sex when it was expected of them, and they feel shame instead of liberation and happiness.
I'm going to make love with a person I want to spend my life with or not at all. I was offered the chance to do it with people I wasn't in love with, and upon reflection found it such a revolting, emotionally barren thought that I couldn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 11:35:40 2015 No.6552377 >>6550257 You need to reed Goosebumps by M. Stirner.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 15:57:13 2015 No.6553273 >>6550803 nah

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 16:08:38 2015 No.6553315 >>6550932 a terrible image a terrible post

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 16:13:14 2015 No.6553345 >>6551995 >value decreases get out capitalist pig

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 16:17:56 2015 No.6553363 >>6551061 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc5wkQm6B44

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 16:18:54 2015 No.6553368 Right after I lost my virginity the girl told me she had a boyfriend. That fucked me up for a while

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 17:23:15 2015 No.6553611 >>6550468 >The solution is more sex. /thread or else >>6550257 underage GTFO

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 17:49:24 2015 No.6553708 >>6553363 one of sam's better vertical videos but not entirely relevant here

>>	Anonymous Sun May 17 22:31:52 2015 No.6554914 >>6550257 "Eros and Civilization", by Herbert Marcuse

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 01:00:22 2015 No.6555359 >>6553315 truth hurts the delusionals indeed

Anonymous Mon May 18 04:22:45 2015 No.6555775

>>6550257
Maybe you were uncomfortable at the time and were moving to fast into it to realise you weren't ready for it? anyways maybe write something yourself, that usually helps vent stuff and it might come out good or you can toss it and still feel a lil better having written it down.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 04:40:05 2015 No.6555799 >>6552186 sex really isn't a big deal; it's just a thing people do. relationships are a big deal, and sex within a relationship can be a great bonding experience

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 05:28:54 2015 No.6555860 File: 117 KB, 546x628, $_1ed.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6550257 I am a 28 yo KV. Tell me why you wanted to take a woman for the first time ?

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Mon May 18 05:37:25 2015 No.6555872 >>6550257 I felt bad my first time too Just read philosophy and move on

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Mon May 18 05:38:11 2015 No.6555873 >>6555872 Only because it was my sister.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 05:42:26 2015 No.6555878 Don't feel bad, there's no such thing as a male virgin.

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Mon May 18 05:42:27 2015 No.6555879 >>6555873 Hot meme, mind if I repost/riposte?

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Mon May 18 05:43:09 2015 No.6555880 >>6555879 Nope. It's actually the truth.

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Mon May 18 05:51:01 2015 No.6555888 >>6555880 Only when I'm telling it to my sister.

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Mon May 18 06:04:43 2015 No.6555893 >>6555888 Can't argue with dub trips

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 12:38:49 2015 No.6556843 >>6550501 >the most intimate you can get with another person I always found holding hands to be more intimate than sex.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 14:41:06 2015 No.6557260 >>6550559 >bicurious about it

>>	Anonymous Mon May 18 14:53:06 2015 No.6557319 I remember my girlfriend crying after we were done, but then again she was only 15 and i was inexperienced. So you have the emotional maturity like a 15 year old girl OP.

Anonymous Mon May 18 15:03:09 2015 No.6557372

>>6550257
Why are you feeling bad about it? Is it because of space daddy?

The loss of your virginity is completely meaningless in and of itself. You've already jacked off anyway, it's the exact same except you're using a vagina. Its only meaningfulness comes from who you lost your virginity to and how you feel about that person

Anonymous Mon May 18 15:20:45 2015 No.6557461

https://youtu.be/pGFVUsYnw8U

It's because you realised that you're an animal. It's kinda like early masturbation. You feel guilty for no reason. Or trying to masturbate to a person you really really feel is special. You start feeling really dirty after you finish. As if you ruined something by acting like this. The only thing that you ruined is your perception of humans as some clean and divine beings.

>>	Really Nice Guy Mon May 18 15:30:48 2015 No.6557533 >>6552054 >>6552054 10/10 post friend good bell wishes your way God bless.

>>	Really Nice Guy Mon May 18 15:37:28 2015 No.6557568 >>6557461 >It's kinda like early masturbation. You feel guilty for no reason LOL what a flower I bet you cried to your mumma wit sticky white fingies

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