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FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT WITH YOUR HORRIBLE WRITING STYLE
YOU'RE A DEGENERATE PIECE OF SHIT TO BE CONSIDERED AN AMERICAN LITERATURE WRITER


FUCK A ROSE FOR EMILY


I'LL LET THE HEAT FROM MY BARREL SHRIVEL YOU LIKE A RAISIN

>> No.6542287

Be constructive at least. What about him sucks?

>> No.6542306

>>6542263
who is emily and why am I fucking a rose for her?

>> No.6542311

>>6542263
C-Cornfader?

>> No.6542331

How are his short stories?

>> No.6542371

If you dislike the greatest American writer of all time (inb4 Melville fags), then you should stop reading

>> No.6542383

>>6542371
>the greatest American writer of all time
Not even remotely.

>> No.6542392

>>6542371
>who is mccarthy

>> No.6542399

>>6542383
i guess /lit/ can't into faulkner. been here a while and he gets disproportionately little attention

>> No.6542417

>>6542371
>better than wolfe
>better than james
>better than hemingway
I dont think so m8

>> No.6542423

>>6542399
It's not that. There are people here who read him and regard his work well, but very few, if any around here would call him the greatest anything.

>> No.6542426

>>6542371
Nabokov said he was bad. Not liking Faulkner is therefore the elite patrician opinion.

>> No.6542442

>>6542417
>>better than hemingway

lmao

>> No.6542447

>>6542426
Nabokov was the original hipster. He didnt like anyone contemporary and popular.

>> No.6542452

>>6542417
>Hemingway
>Wolfe
>Good

Lol

>> No.6542456

>>6542263
This nigga... Dude, just read his other short stories. Try "Dry September".

>> No.6542469

>>6542456
The Nabokov joke went over my head and I feel like a moron lol

>> No.6542489

C O R N C O B
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>> No.6542496

Since this is obviously a troll thread, I am gonna take a moment and apologize in advance for being off topic:

Is it ok to cite published (by the university) PhD dissertations in an academic paper?

>> No.6542499

>>6542496
if it's published and you cite it correctly, yes

>> No.6542504

>>6542499
Thank you. I know my professor probably won't even notice or read it, but I was just curious

>> No.6542540

>>6542287

His mouth?

>> No.6542756

>>6542417
>>6542452
Gene Wolfe is a meme. Stop it with this shit. If you want to like fantasy that's fine but he's nowhere near the best writer in American history.

lmao if you meant tom wolfe

>> No.6542760

>>6542423
>very few, if any around here would call him the greatest anything

How is this possible? Absalom! Absalom! is incredible.

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6542764

>>6542263
>FUCK YOU YOU PIECE OF SHIT WITH YOUR HORRIBLE WRITING STYLE
>YOU'RE A DEGENERATE PIECE OF SHIT TO BE CONSIDERED AN AMERICAN LITERATURE WRITER
>FUCK A ROSE FOR EMILY
>I'LL LET THE HEAT FROM MY BARREL SHRIVEL YOU LIKE A RAISIN

T. Morrison

>> No.6542786

>>6542756
No, I meant Thomas Wolfe

>> No.6542792

>>6542496
yes, of course

>> No.6542805

>>6542426
Fuck Nabokov. Nabokov is just bitter because his Grandfather's brother saved Dostoyevsky and Dosty went on to write things that are infinitely better than anything Nabby ever wrote.

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6542874

Manlets general.

>> No.6542964

>>6542417
Any of those or anyone else mentioned ITT:
>better than Mark Twain

>> No.6542978

fuck you guys

Faulkner is great

>> No.6543888

>>6542417
>hemingway
I've read way more Hemingway than Faulkner and I still know this isn't true. I like him but he's the Michael Bay of writing of his time

>> No.6543904

>>6542786
My nigga. It is a god damn shame how unknown he is here.

>> No.6544212

>>6542392

Stop.

>> No.6544343

>>6542263

Sounds to me like you probably can't understand his stream-of-consciousness narratives. Fucking pleb.

Faulkner is top 3 GOAT American Writer. Melville, Faulkner, and then it's a tie between Flan Flan, McCarthy, and Pinecone.

>> No.6544533

>>6544343
Look, I like McCarthy and Flan, but Pinecone is just on another level entirely.

But yeah, Melville, Faulkner, and Pinceone certainly.

>> No.6544590

>>6544533

Personally, I'm partial to O'Connor, if for no other reason that she is the least derivative of the other two and took southern gothic/grotesque in new and innovative directions.

Pinecone is probably the most imaginative out of the three, but he's heavily influenced and derivative of Joyce.

Regardless, all three are fantastic. Certainly in the top tier of American writers.

>> No.6544609

>>6544590
Yes, I would say that The Pinch is influenced a lot by Joyce, but I would never call him derivative.

All of the Pynchon I've read has seemed highly original.

>> No.6544671

>>6544533
Pynchon isn't even the best -living- author, that honour goes to one Don Delillo

>> No.6544684

>>6544671
Let's just agree to disagree.

>> No.6544719

G.R.R Martin

>> No.6544734

>>6544719
Can suck my nards

>> No.6544889

>>6544734
>6544734
still better than faulkner

>> No.6544909

>>6544889
>implying

>> No.6544910

>>6542874
god is he not so adorable

>> No.6545015

>>6542874
what an unassuming personage. nice photo do you care if i save?

>> No.6545029

>>6543904
I think if Thomas Wolfe hadn't died so early he may have become the greatest american writer.

Faulkner is good, probably in my top 5 but not the greatest.

>> No.6545031

If you don't like Faulkner, then you need to get off this board because you're in high school.

And Nabakov was a tasteless fucking hack with flashy words and no merit. He was a loud mouth, unintelligent, waste of thought and breath.

Lolita was good for about two chapters, then people were too brain dead drowning on Nabakov's cum to realize that the book is actually shit.

>> No.6545033

>>6545031
This. Can't stand Nabokov, what a blowhard. Different strokes I guess.

>> No.6545046

>>6545031
>>6545033
>not liking corn father
>calling others plebs

>>>/out/

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6545047

>>6545031
>unexpected marblecake metaphor

>> No.6545051

>>6545031
He really is just all window dressing, which is probably why he's so celebrated now.

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6545068

>arguing about the best American writer
>implying the best american writer is even a novelist
top fucking lol
Whitman is by far the most and best American writer.

>> No.6545071

>>6542383
>>the greatest American writer of all time
>Not even remotely.

Not even of his generation.

>> No.6545082

>>6545068
>the most and best American writer.
>opiniondiscarded.jpg

>> No.6545087

>>6545082
>reading is hard :((
ur a tard

>> No.6545093

>>6545087
>writing a sentence that makes sense is hard
>liking authors who aren't pleb faggots is hard
takes on to know one

>> No.6545096

>>6545087
Hard doesn't mean great, though they are often confused.

Faulkner IS great, but even people of that opinion can concede that he is stylistically overbearing.

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>>6545093
>most and best
>most american
>best american
>the most and best american
sorry ur too tard to comprehend a simple sentence
don't even bother trying to read whitman, you won't get anything out of him with the comprehension of a preschooler

>> No.6545108

>>6545096
You're as much of an idiot as anon. I was making fun of him by saying reading is hard because he didn't comprehend what most and best means. But I have to give him credit, he reads better than you do apparently.

>> No.6545114

>>6545108
>You're as much of an idiot as anon. I was making fun of him by saying reading is hard because he didn't comprehend what most and best means. But I have to give him credit, he reads better than you do apparently.

Yes, I got you snideness. You think he doesn't like Faulkner because he's too challenging. and he is challenging. But challenging doesn't equal great.

Do.. you.. understand.. now.. ?

>> No.6545125

>>6545114
You're a retard. Read the posts you quoted. I haven't even mentioned Faulkner you illiterate faggot.

>> No.6545126

>>6545114
Can.. you.. fuck off from /lit.. now.. ?

>> No.6545127

>>6542371

M E L V I L L E

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>> No.6545134

>>6545125
>You're a retard. Read the posts you quoted. I haven't even mentioned Faulkner you illiterate faggot.

Well, then if you think someone might not share your estimation of Whitman because he must be too hard, you're even younger than I thought.

>> No.6545136

>>6545114
>>6545125
LMAO TARD NAMECOCKSUCKER BTFO
WALK OUT OF THE THREAD IN SHAME GAYWAD

>> No.6545144

>>6545134
Holy shit you're fucking dense. Anon literally thought the sentence "the most and best American" didn't make sense. Not Walt Whitman, but the sentence in my post. So I made fun of him by saying reading is hard because he didn't understand the simple phrase "most and best".

Jesus Christ, why are you on lit? You have thoroughly demonstrated that you have difficulties reading even a fucking 4chan post, let alone a god damn Faulkner novel. Just stop. Embarrassing.

>> No.6545166

>>6545134
>>6545144
LMAO SHIT I DINT THINK U COULD GET ANYMORE BTFO BUT GOOD OL COCKEM COMIN BACK FOR MORE PENETRATION HAHAHAHAHA

BUMP SO EVERYONE CAN LAUGH AT HIM

>> No.6545180

I've never actually read posts written while orgasming before. That was weird.

>> No.6545181

>>6545144
For the record I didn't mean it didn't make sense in that I didn't understand it, rather that most and best is an awkward way of phrasing.

>> No.6545183

this is a really productive and thought-provoking discussion.

>> No.6545187

>>6545144
>Jesus Christ, why are you on lit? You have thoroughly demonstrated that you have difficulties reading even a fucking 4chan post, let alone a god damn Faulkner novel. Just stop. Embarrassing.

Who gives a shit what someone who so radically overestimates Whitman thinks, though?

>> No.6545194

>>6545183
your mom is a really productive and thought-provoking

wait just the first

productive milk maker

and by milk i mean my cum

so if you dont understand it means she strokes my penis

at this point of reading my post you should feel emotionally devastated

>> No.6545197

>>6545187
Dude just stop, you already proved youself incapable of reading. Whether or not Whitman is the best American is completely irrelevant to the fact that you're a retard. Pathetic attempt at saving face.

>> No.6545203

>>6545194

you're right, I can't possibly come back from that.

>> No.6545248

>>6545197
>Dude just stop, you already proved youself incapable of reading. Whether or not Whitman is the best American is completely irrelevant to the fact that you're a retard. Pathetic attempt at saving face.

Silly me, I thought people were on-topic in a Faulkner thread, and I didn't read back however many posts in their exchange. No wonder you have such an outsized sense of accomplishment about it; it doesn't make you look super-small or anything.

>> No.6545263

>>6545248
>admits to not reading the thread
>admits to replying to posts that quote other posts without reading them
>a Faulkner thread
>taking an OP like this seriously
Should have stopped while you were ahead. Not only are you too lazy (stupid?) to read posts on 4chan before you reply to them but you continue to reply after you've proven your faggotry. I bet you dont even read. You're everything wrong with lit in one awful name. Put a trip on so I can filter you.

>> No.6545277

>>6545029
If there was a required reading list before posting on /lit/, look homeward, angel would belong on there. It makes me so sad whenever wolfe is brought up and everyone thinks you are talking about the other two, I mean just look at this thread.

>> No.6545309

>>6544590
O'Conner is the worst person named in this thread except for fucking G. R. R. Martin.

And yeah Faulkner is awful, his style is the farthest thing from patrician, it's some duck dynasty shit.

I know we never admit to liking memes but The Great Gatsby is the greatest American novel ever written. The other good writers are of course Hemingway, Melville and James. (Nakabov doesn't count). I'm not a huge Poe fan but since Baudelaire thought so highly of him, I have to respect him because Baudelaire surely knows a lot better than I do.

>> No.6545569

>>6545263
>Should have stopped while you were ahead. Not only are you too lazy (stupid?) to read posts on 4chan before you reply to them but you continue to reply after you've proven your faggotry. I bet you dont even read. You're everything wrong with lit in one awful name. Put a trip on so I can filter you.

The problem isn't that I read too few of your wonderful posts; it's that I've read too many.

>> No.6545591

>>6542263
What's the matter? Wasn't he Ebolic enough for you?

>> No.6545618

Hey, that's funny, i just finished Absalom, Absalom! for the first time today.

OP can suck a big fat cock. He is clearly both tonedeaf and emotionally crippled, and has neither empathy nor will to empathy. I have no other explanation for his complete lack of response to this incredible, classical-level stylistic genius and ingenuity of storytelling.

I repeat, OP, suck a big fat cock.

>> No.6545694

>>6545248

Kill You Are Self

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6545716

>>6545309

>Shits on O'connor (Can't even spell the name correctly)
>Claims The Great Gatsby as the GOAT American Novel.
>Thinks Hemingway and James are on the same level as Melville.
>Loves Poe

You're trolling right?

>> No.6545724

>>6545618
>>>/b/

>> No.6546312

>>6545694

Go Down on Me, Moses

>> No.6546379

Prevention will be your epitaph

>> No.6546699

>>6545309
what's so good about Hemingway? his style is shit, his characters far from absorbing, and he has little to nothing to say about the human condition that wasn't obvious as fuck from the get go. A Farewell to Arms is boring, The Sun Also Rises i've read twice and still can't figure out why it's even considered a good read, and The Old Man and the Sea is ok, but one good novella does not make him among the greats. highly overrated writer, imo.

>> No.6546744

>>6542760
Newfags who haven't actually read Faulkner. There used to be daily threads where everyone agreed Faulkner wäs the best. Personally I agree, Absalom! Absalom! is on my list, but The Sound and the Fury or As I Lay Dying were phenomenal. The only reason I would argue he isn't the single greatest author is because there are a few strong competitors, but really only a handful. Regardless, don't care about other peoples' opinions. Just read it for yourself and decide. Notice the detractors don't actually have any substantive reasoning behind their logic.

>> No.6546748

>>6542426
Nabokov was a pretentious dick, and when called out on his "criticisms" of "undeserving greats" he floundered and revealed he wäs full of shit. Nabokov's literature reeks of his larger than life ego.

>> No.6546814

>>6546748
nothing wrong with having an enormous ego if it helps create amazing works like Lolita, Ada or Ardor, and Pale Fire. yes, he was pretentious. yes, he was a master prose stylist.

>> No.6546818

>>6546744
agreed. i'd say Light in August is also among his great novels. i'm currently reading my way through his entire ouvre. really amazing stuff.

>> No.6546822

Why the hell has this thread gotten so many replies?

>> No.6546834

I love Henry James's criticism of Poe & Baudelaire. James was a better critic than Nabokov

>> No.6546888

>>6542383
Then offer an alternative

>> No.6547133

>>6546814
But Ada or Ardor is admittedly bad, Nabokov even said so. Lolita and Pale Fire are fine, and definitely contain literary flourishes, but to even compare them to monumental works by authors like Faulkner, Joyce, or Tolstoy is just silly

>> No.6547154

>>6542371
Sherwood Anderson was the best American writer.

>>6545031
Faulkner was way more pretentious than Nabokov

>> No.6547196

>>6546834
Most poetry is emo rubbish at its core.

>> No.6548479

I think Faulkner was pretty enlightened for his time and geography, but some elements that run through all of it are a little cringey now.

>> No.6548496

>>6548479

like what?

>> No.6548550

>>6548496

Well, his characters for the most part are complicated, fucked-up White people with some torment or other, while his Black characters are almost all simple and good. Which probably came off as enlightened in his contemporary context, but it comes off a little bit 'noble savage'-y to me today. like Blacks aren't complex enough to be anything but dumb-animal good. The only exception I can think of being Charles Bon in Absalom, Absalom, who is almost entirely White himself.

But I've only read Sanctuary, As I Lay Dying, The Sound and the Fury, Light in August, Absalom, Absalom, and Go Down Moses, so there may be lots of stuff in other works that doesn't fit this thesis.

>> No.6548972

* and Joe Christmas, who may not be Black at all.

>> No.6549221

>>6547154
I still come back every now and then to Winesburg, Ohio. It is higher grade of masterwork compared to the kind of clever, petty nihilism you find in Pynchon or Nabokov (both of whom's supporters on this board are organized as mute circlejerk, impressing only each other, and with zero explanation for their own intoxicating appreciation for Gravity's Rainbow).

>> No.6549261

>>6547154
>>6549221
Winesburg, Ohio is absolutely a GOAT-tier novel, but I have yet to read his other work.

>> No.6549268

All of you are so despairingly dumb, it's disgusting.

>> No.6549464

>>6549268
>All of you are so despairingly dumb, it's disgusting.

I don't think 'despairingly' is really the word you want there, smart fellow though you may believe yourself to be.

>> No.6549484

>>6542417
>hemingway
>wolfe
>comparable to Faulkner

For fuck's sake

Though Melville is the greatest american writer

>> No.6549518

>>6542399
Kek, what's a while? Two days?

>> No.6549679

LMAO this Bachem kid, who the fuck is this newfag?

Can you imagine what it must be like to be Bachem, sitting at his keyboard, trying so hard to pretend he doesn't care that everyone in this thread is laughing at his fucking stupidity.

>well yeah i didnt know what was going on, why would I read the posts I quoted? m-muh faulkner!

Hayzeus Christ, can you imagine his face right now? I bet he's bright red with embarrassment, lol. He's probably smiling like a dumbass, not sure of how to dig himself out of this pathetic hole. Goddamn that shit is awkward as hell.

Bachem, next time you talk to someone, whenever that might be, I want you to remember how fucking stupid you were just now, maybe you'll blush and start sweating and then they'll be like, what the fuck is wrong with this kid? Maybe they'll just write it off as hormones. btw, you ever gonna ask that girl to prom?

>> No.6549730

>>6549679
>LMAO this Bachem kid, who the fuck is this newfag?
>Can you imagine what it must be like to be Bachem, sitting at his keyboard, trying so hard to pretend he doesn't care that everyone in this thread is laughing at his fucking stupidity.
>>well yeah i didnt know what was going on, why would I read the posts I quoted? m-muh faulkner!
>Hayzeus Christ, can you imagine his face right now? I bet he's bright red with embarrassment, lol. He's probably smiling like a dumbass, not sure of how to dig himself out of this pathetic hole. Goddamn that shit is awkward as hell.
>Bachem, next time you talk to someone, whenever that might be, I want you to remember how fucking stupid you were just now, maybe you'll blush and start sweating and then they'll be like, what the fuck is wrong with this kid? Maybe they'll just write it off as hormones. btw, you ever gonna ask that girl to prom?

How is it you can care so much about me, and I can't manage to give a shit about you?

>> No.6549773

>>6549730
>I don't care what people think about me
>argue with strangers for two days over a slight misunderstanding in a thread
Whatever dude.

>> No.6549810

>>6549773
>>I don't care what people think about me
>>argue with strangers for two days over a slight misunderstanding in a thread
>Whatever dude.

Does that mean you're going to stop gnawing on my ankle now? These are my good socks!

>> No.6549825

>>6549810
Keep trying, kid. Maybe one day you'll convince the world that you're just too cool for school. In the meantime, learn how to fucking read.

>> No.6549842

>>6549825
>Keep trying, kid. Maybe one day you'll convince the world that you're just too cool for school. In the meantime, learn how to fucking read.

I can't believe you are still glorying in a simple mistake made a day ago. Failure must plague you, so enjoy it as long as you can.

>> No.6549939

>>6549842
I can't believe you're still replying, still trying to salvage your pitiful ego. Don't you have some homework to be doing right now?

>> No.6549988

>>6549939
>I can't believe you're still replying, still trying to salvage your pitiful ego. Don't you have some homework to be doing right now?

I like it. It's like taking slow-pitch batting practice from a guy who thinks he's Clayton Kershaw..