/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6540471]

Why do feminist artists feel the need to display bodily fluids and sexual organs in their work?

i'm seriously curious

like wtf

[Anonymous No.6540478]

to me this is the equivalent of those dick drawings everyone did in highschool

or just you know, writing about dicks on jizz on the face

[Anonymous No.6540482]

it's all they have

[Anonymous No.6540485]

>>6540471
Not lit related.

[Anonymous No.6540487]

>>6540485
>>6540485
>>6540485

[Anonymous No.6540493]

>>6540471

It's so they have an excuse to hate men more when they appropriately act disgusted to the work and then the artist responds, "See, you're a mysoginist! You can't handle true femininity!" or something like that.

[Anonymous No.6540497]

>>6540487
this is: http://granta.com/numb/

"It started off as a patch of skin, just at the swell of her calf. While eating her cereal at the kitchen table she crossed her ankles, enjoying the repulsive sensation of her winter-hairy legs rubbing against each other, and felt something smooth and slippery on her left leg."

> her winter-hairy legs

[Anonymous No.6540513]

>>6540485
you like this faggot?

"scars where the body had torn during childbirth, clumps of cellulite, the complex network of lobules and ducts in the breasts."

[Anonymous No.6540533]

/lit/ - literally anything

[Anonymous No.6540563]

>>6540533
just thought this was where I'd find the most feminists and queers

[Gabriel 2208-6156-9229 No.6540573]

>>6540563
We have a decent userbase of reasonable feminists. If you want people to start up a shitstorm, try /r9k/ or /lgbt/.

[Anonymous No.6540576]

>>6540563
there is an /lgbt/ board you nutter

[Anonymous No.6540584]

>>6540471
why does it repulse you so much?

the reason they do it is because it's almost completely unexplored in classical art, although now it's being overplayed into banality (like everything).

[Anonymous No.6540589]

>>6540482
/thread
Ironically, they blame men for thinking of them as sexual objects, but they use their genitals as the symbol for their empowerment.

[Anonymous No.6540608]

>>6540589
this is some fedora tipping garbage and you know it. it's like saying black people shouldn't use the color of their skin as a symbol of their empowerment because white people hate them for the color of their skin.

[Anonymous No.6540618]

>>6540608
>turning yourself into an object is a good way to make others think of you as something other than an object
You're going to need to explain your position more. I don't see the rational connection.

[Anonymous No.6540631]

>>6540608

When they talk about nothing but their sexuality it justifies us in thinking that they ( not women in general) are not applicable for anything but sex, since they give no show of having anything to say or demonstrate in any other subject.Genuinely intelligent and free women can talk about things other than their vagina's, and apparently western patriarchy and the mild feminism that came along with it is much better for enhancing female intellectual virtues than radical autonomous feminism, which boils down to sensationalism, solipsism and "muh cunt" at the end of the day.

[Anonymous No.6540632]

>>6540471
>i'm seriously curious
i doubt that

it's because it was taboo, more so than male bodily fluids and sexual organs

[Anonymous No.6540639]

They want to challenge the notion that menstruation and the female reproductive organ should be objects of shame and disgust.

>>6540631
This isn't sexual

[Anonymous No.6540642]

>>6540471
who cares it's hot!

[Anonymous No.6540663]

>>6540639
>vaginas are objects of shame and disgust
What.

As for menstruation, the logical extension is that defecation should also not be seen as something disgusting. There is no difference between "free bleeding" and walking around with shit smeared on your pants.

[Anonymous No.6540674]

>>6540663
>Menstruation is as disgusting as poop

Crazy bitches, huh :^)

[Anonymous No.6540681]

>>6540674
>Walk around with a bleeding open hole, rubbing it on any public surface it comes into contact to
>Sanitary
Pick one

[Anonymous No.6540683]

>>6540674
>poop is disgusting
stop this scatshaming

[Anonymous No.6540686]

>>6540674
>poop is disgusting
get a load of this cishet shitlord

[Anonymous No.6540689]

>>6540683
Yeah, menstruation is seen as worse than shit

>>6540681
I think they have pads and tampons and shit now.

[Anonymous No.6540691]

>>6540686
>using that as a prejorative
o m g this is soo problematic fucking kill yourself

[Anonymous No.6540694]

>>6540639

>Sex organs aren't sexual

Alright then. So where exactly is there evidence of people telling girls that vagina's are disgusting in our society? Where is their evidence that we take menstruation to be any more disgusting than any other kind of bodily waste? What does society think about the dead skin cells that builds up under foreskin every now and again ? Why are feminists so solipsistic that they can't consider things beyond their own personal insecurities and look at society objectively instead ?

[Anonymous No.6540698]

>>6540689
>Yeah, menstruation is seen as worse than shit
great source m80

[Anonymous No.6540700]

>>6540683
>scatshaming
A meme thats time has come.

[Anonymous No.6540706]

>>6540694
You don't know what solipsism is.

>look at society objectively
>objectively

kek.

[Anonymous No.6540709]

>>6540689
pads and tampons are supposedly symbols of oppression. that's the whole point of free bleeding
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA0aKjY8K50
remember, it's not about sensible or reasonable struggles, it's about getting as much attention as possible to create a market demographic retailers and advertisers can cater to. Did you actually think you could escape Capitalism?

[Anonymous No.6540713]

>>6540694
They're disgusting axe-wounds

especially outies

[Anonymous No.6540715]

>>6540709
>muh capitalism

back 2 tumblr, sweetheart

[Anonymous No.6540724]

>>6540709
>tfw Hillary is too old to be our first freebleeder president

[Anonymous No.6540731]

have you ever read updike? it's no different. both are bad writing generally

[Anonymous No.6540733]

>>6540471
Because it causes a reaction and makes money

[Anonymous No.6540735]

>>6540731
though in case someone jumps at me updike is in general a great stylist. it's just him talking about sexual organs constantly is cringeworthy

[Anonymous No.6540743]

>>6540663
I'd love to influence a load of women to do something completely humiliating in the name of feminism, from behind the scenes and then reveal myself as the male mastermind behind the operation.

[Anonymous No.6540749]

>>6540743
You sound like a well-balanced person

[Anonymous No.6540750]

>>6540478
>But they consider themselves, artists, not high school kids.

[Anonymous No.6540754]

>>6540743
>having power fantasies, especially those centered around attacking an artificial nucleus
You came here for the memes didn't you? You reek of someone who hasn't read anything of note.

[Anonymous No.6540755]

>>6540749
I've only got one leg so doubtful

[Anonymous No.6540765]

>>6540754
I've actually read Evola, Mein Kampf, and the Culture of Critique.

So suck on that, liberal swine

[Anonymous No.6540773]

Christianity and western art is generally what has eradicated the pagan vaginal signifiers that used to be ripe and abundant in art. Feminist art is the art of uncovering that lost thread and in a broad stroke, showing the origins of origin, the metaphysical void that western art tried to cover up for centuries.

[Anonymous No.6540775]

>>6540471
Feminism is a "idiocracy", they don't want equality, they want visibility, like a child who cries just to get attention. Obviously, Penis envy.

[Anonymous No.6540790]

>>6540773
NO VAGINAS ARE ONLY SEXUAL OBJECTS DUMB FEMINIST SHIT

[Anonymous No.6540803]

Got a better pic for you OP.

Related: >dat weird kind of feel when you finger a girl and her hymen isn't properly removed and you got strings between your fingers as you go in.

[Anonymous No.6540810]

Male philosophy
>There are only two ways in which we can account for a necessary agreement of experience with the concepts of its objects: either experience makes these concepts possible or these concepts make experience possible.
Male literature
>When beholding the tranquil beauty and brilliancy of the ocean’s skin, one forgets the tiger heart that pants beneath it; and would not willingly remember that this velvet paw but conceals a remorseless fang.
Male poetry
>O, pardon me, thou bleeding piece of earth,
>That I am meek and gentle with these butchers!
>Thou art the ruins of the noblest man
>That ever lived in the tide of times.
Male politics
>And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.
Male science
>E=mc2

Female philosophy
>MY CUNT
Female literature
>MY CUNT
Female poetry
>MY CUNT
Female politics
>MY CUNT
Female science
>E=mc2 is a gendered equation

[Anonymous No.6540813]

>>6540773
>but it's art
You're miss-attributing things.
Feminism is not about realizing the significance of a vagina.

[Muck J.J. Bulligan !!ryE2gEjGbpu No.6540820]

>>6540497
most girls go for long periods of time in the winter where they don't shave their legs, that's a fine turn of phrase
>>6540471
because so much of the world's 3 million years of art has employed the female anatomy without fully realizing it, somehow nobody noticed that until like 1973, and now the world is inundated with delightfully raw renderings of the crucial but previously overlooked minutiae of femaleness

show me 1 vaginal objet d'art and i'll show you 1,500 bullshit paintings, photographs, and proverbs devoted to the "windows to the soul"

[Anonymous No.6540823]

>>6540810
Cringed hard

[Anonymous No.6540838]

>>6540765

>Mein Kampf
>anything of note

I bet you read a translation, too you subhuman waste of air.

[Anonymous No.6540854]

>>6540674

>not fucking your gf when she's on her period

oh, wait, you're a fucking virgin wizard who has never talked to a girl

[Anonymous No.6540865]

Patrice O'neal once asked a simple question.

PO: Women, if you did not have a vagina, how would you keep or acquire a man?

Response: blowjobs, anal, etc.

PO: Exactly. Given a chance to qualify your value the only answer you have is a series of holes to put dicks in.

[Anonymous No.6540866]

>>6540854
wow, you fuck girls and shit, dude?

[Anonymous No.6540877]

>>6540866

well, i rarely fuck shit, but sometimes i just feel like it. are you gonna hate me for sticking my dick into a turd you fucking scatshamer?

[PROUD MRA ACTIVIST (not from /(...) No.6540895]

>>6540865
>>6540810
>>6540775
>>6540765
>>6540750
>>6540743
>>6540733
>>6540709
>>6540694

WOMEN ARE BUT CUNTS
WHY CAN'T EVERYONE ACCEPT
THAT MEN ARE SUPERIOR?
ACHIEVEMENTS IN THE FINE ARTS?
DO NOT MAKE ME LAUGH
SCIENTIFIC ADVANCEMENT?
NOT IN A THOUSAND YEARS
FEMINISTS AND JEWS ARE
CONTROLLING OUR BEAUTIFUL EARTH
RISE UP, MEN OF WHITE COLOUR
FOR WE SHALL ENSLAVE THEM ONCE AGAIN

(im not a virgin btw i talk to girls all the time they dont even mind my view so fuck off with your comments okay? i fucking told you i get laid like crazy literally every single day)

[Anonymous No.6540904]

>>6540895

[Anonymous No.6540908]

>>6540895
>posting completely non sequitur humorless JUST GO TO /POL/ THEY HAVE INFOGRAPHS LOL!! FUCKING INFOGRAPHS!!!!! in another thread
>posting humorless allcaps LOL POL BELIEVES BENJAMIN WAS A KABBALIST WIZARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! in another thread
>angrymad allcaps posting about misogyny in this thread

/pol/ seems to have upset you today, femanon. Are you on the rag?

[Anonymous No.6540912]

>>6540904
it's fucking true idiot

not even that guy, but men are inherently better

we create everything
we invent everything
we can be true ethical beings
we can truly love

women can do none of those things, they are mere holes for men to use as sexual property.

they should never be treated with respect, they are all whores and worthless

[Anonymous No.6540919]

>>6540912
>>6540908

[Anonymous No.6540921]

>>6540820
>implying there was a more interesting period than Vienna pre WWI.
I demand my 1500 bullshit "windows to the soul" paintings now, btw.

[Anonymous No.6540926]

>>6540912
>we can be true ethical beings
>not being a truly unethical being

[Anonymous No.6540927]

>>6540813
Don't post that picture. It makes your argument seem less valid.

>>6540810
E=mc^2
:^)

>>6540773
You know, I have no problem with vaginas reappearing in art but could that new art be a bit less retarded? Ok, it's a big pussy. We've seen such art for a hundred times already. Can't they make some art that isn't destructive for the sake of destruction in a time when such art can't destroy anything anyway? (Tgat is, these "provocative" images aren't actually provocative anymore.)

Pic related holds much more meaning and is more interesting than those "deep" vagina sculptures.

[Anonymous No.6540933]

Because that's the only way to reach you.

Seriously, why the fuck does it matter if it is vaginas, dicks, flowers or trees, why are we shocked by one and not the other? What is our relationship to vaginas like? The vagina is a hidden organ, it was concealed by moralism to the point that women don't know much about themselves as men do. Someone mentioned early in thread that it's like drawing dicks on the school's wall, well, I kind of agree in the best sense possible, it is a sense of marking territory and showing power. When women represent vaginas, they are making the image of their vaginas more powerful, more visible, their most feminine aspect is naked and thus it can be ressignified in the way that they want. It shows us their humans, with pleasure, pains and their own way to desire and their own way to live their lives. When women represent their vaginas, they are claiming the vaginas to themselves, saying "it is my object and I can do things with it". It breaks the mistery, entirely. Same with menstruation, which is often seen as something horrible, demon-like almost and that they can ressignify.

I say it is the only way to reach you because people often overlook the work of women by their qualities and a certain shock value is needed here, if only to bring into discussion the shock value itself. How come the use of her body shocks you? And how come you only pay attention to what she does and she does something that is shocking?

[Anonymous No.6540936]

>>6540927
>E=mc^2

4chan auto translates superscript characters to normal ones

[Anonymous No.6540937]

>>6540926
read some actual anti-feminist literature, cuckfuck

Otto Weininger is your man.

Only men can be ethical and women don't exist until man turns away from his being an ethical being and becomes sexualized and hence givers birth to women.

Stay pure and ethical, not a lapsed CUCK

[Anonymous No.6540947]

[Anonymous No.6540959]

>>6540803
Now I want to see this image arrangement but a gay guy and a model of a big hairy arsehole to fight for gay rights.

[Anonymous No.6540960]

>>6540947
Is this the same painter?

[Muck J.J. Bulligan !!ryE2gEjGbpu No.6540963]

>>6540921
ah, yes, this vague portrait of a woman with her hand obscuring most of her genitals can be called "vaginal" because it does not rule out the possibility that she has a vagina
>don't make this so easy for me, baby doll

[Anonymous No.6540965]

>>6540937
sounds spooky

[Anonymous No.6540970]

>>6540959
Better yet, a monstrous veiny cock or a fat pink mast

[Anonymous No.6540974]

>>6540963
>with her hand obscuring most of her genitals
please learn looking comprehension

[Anonymous No.6540976]

>>6540965
It's scientific fact. There's no real evidence for it, but it is scientific fact

[Anonymous No.6540985]

>tfw we'll never have an educated discussion on art here

Read a book, go to the museum. Fucking plebs.

[Anonymous No.6540989]

>>6540985
Get fucked up the ass you faggot. Meet me at any museum and I'll beat the shit out of you.

[Anonymous No.6540990]

>>6540985
Museums are for liberal cucks and feminist degenerates

[Muck J.J. Bulligan !!ryE2gEjGbpu No.6540997]

>>6540974
>reducing a woman's genitals to the labia majora
YIKES

[Anonymous No.6541000]

>>6540989
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little realist? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in Bauhaus, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret meetings of Dadaists, and I have over 300 confirmed sound poems. I am trained in drip painting and I’m the top futurist in the entire Europe. You are nothing to me but just another pleb who can't into Duchamp. I will throw paint the fuck over you with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with displaying that shit in a gallery? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of Futurists across Europe and your paint supplier is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, fountain. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your art. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can paint a square in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in performance art, but I have access to the entire train recordings by Pierre Schaeffer and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your paint off the face of the canvas, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “pretty” painting was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking brush. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit Play Doh all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, you kitsch enabler.

[PROUD MRA ACTIVIST (not from /(...) No.6541002]

>>6540908

I have been found out, oh no.

For it is true, I am one of the few.

MRA's with a vagoo.

>>6540912

Keep on spreading the truth, brother!

[Anonymous No.6541003]

>>6540960
You can recon a Schiele like in your pic by the use of gang signs.
He has strong beautiful contours that make up most of the expressiveness of his portraits in very few lines. A pupil of Klimt (see e.g. "The Kiss"), but drawing the "ugly", not so much princesses in gold.

[Anonymous No.6541004]

>>6540813

>making a dragon out of metal
>BEHOLD! NOW THIS IS TRUE ART!

[Anonymous No.6541010]

>>6540985
Art has become mildly politically charged, therefore quality discussion about it on the internet is impossible. The same thing happened to race and sexual orientation. But with art it's to a lesser degree. Declinists have decided that art is yet another thing that has been ruined by modernity/socialism/the Jews/feminism, therefore no discussion about art on a moderately sized message board will be able to avoid some dilettante chiming in about cultural Marxism.

[Anonymous No.6541015]

>>6541003
Yeah, thank you, professor, but I asked a simple yes no question, didn't ask for an analysis...

[Anonymous No.6541016]

>>6541004
>classicist labours over a technically proficient translation of a classical work for his senior project, to hone his skills
>THAT'S NOT AN ORIGINAL CONTRIBUTION TO SCHOLARSHIP YOU FAGGOT
>fellow classicist jerks off a horse while badly reciting plato's chariot allegory
>10/10 VERY AVANT GARDE THEREFORE GOOD

[Anonymous No.6541021]

>>6540937

CUCK IS MY FAVORITE MEME! POST MORE CUCK!

[Anonymous No.6541022]

>>6541016
That's a rare strawman, mind if I save it?

[Anonymous No.6541026]

KEK

So I was searching for more Schiele than in my book, and came across some Feminist logic.

http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2014/oct/21/egon-schiele-the-radical-nude-review

http://gseart.tumblr.com/post/100934343707/the-vagina-dialogues-was-schiele-a-feminist-in

[Anonymous No.6541027]

>>6540976

>scientific fact
>scientific facts are based on evidence

>it is a scientific fact
>there just isn't any evidence

/pol/ in a nutshell


>>6540990

read a fucking museum you little shit

[Anonymous No.6541031]

>>6540997

best post itt

>>6541000

better than the ragout bolognese i had earlier today

>>6541016

are you that guy that said warhammer 3000 is better than anything modern art ever produced?

i love you, you are my favorite mémé

exceptional strawman, too

[Anonymous No.6541082]

>>6541021
is that meredith monk?

[Anonymous No.6541084]

>>6540933
Good thing I oriented myself to the world by being able to hold by dick and control where I pissed while standing up. I'd probable throw like a girl if I hadn't had that formative experience.

At any rate, drawing or painting or sculpting genitalia or bodily functions is always an exhibitionist's action at its core. The question of intention in this matter always has to find its grounding in that. The shock value you speak of is the weaponization of the vagina, and that's indeed what disconcerts. The drawn penis is no more a weapon than a farce to anybody over the age of fifteen. The weaponization of the penis is externalized, industrialized into the sword, the gun, the missile. The weaponization of the vagina speaks of internalization in the individual human being. The weaponization of the vagina speaks of the industrial factory and the proletarianization of the populace. And while one terrorizes the body, the other terrorizes the soul.

tl;dr - why do we need six million art grads painting crude vaginas with menstrual blood in shared-spaces to shock us into acknowledging agency beyond keeping the art school industry alive and kicking?

[Anonymous No.6541123]

>>6541082

yup. nice catch, friend.

[Anonymous No.6541129]

>>6541123
noice. i like her album dolmen music on ECM a lot

[Anonymous No.6541133]

>>6541129
i don't care, friend.

[Anonymous No.6541139]

>>6541133
well fuck you then

[Anonymous No.6541147]

>>6540471
yeah, cos no male artist has ever done that

[Anonymous No.6541160]

>>6541123 here

this wasn't me >>6541133

[Anonymous No.6541161]

>>6540471
>feminist artists
they aren't artists

[Anonymous No.6541168]

>>6540933
>poorly drawing dicks on a bathroom wall is marking territory and showing power
My friend, I believe you are gravely mistaken. Any one of us would find a man whose "art" consists entirely of gigantic penis sculptures to be disgusting, garish, and hilarious. And all the merrier if he claims his penis is a critical aspect of his identity. It isn't. Whether someone happens to own a penis or a vagina is a terribly petty thing to dwell upon.

At birth, no male is biased against females, and indeed, throughout our childhood such a bias is never taught or encouraged in any way. The only way people like >>6540895 come along is through their own experience. This sexism is not "lingering," it's home grown, raised by women themselves. Being verbally assaulted by innumerable women unironically boasting how their vagina defines them tends to pull one towards misogyny. If women themselves did not claim their gender defined them as different, and if women themselves did not intentionally choose to act different because of their gender, then I doubt anyone in the developed world could become sexist through experience. If women instead just allowed themselves to be "people" and not "women," then all sexism would vanish from all post-feminism societies. The home grown sexism would be completely destroyed.

But, that is not what women are choosing to do. So long as they choose to sculpt large vagina statues and mosey about with open wounds, claiming they are not "people" but "women," then society will never be rid of the "lingering" sexism. The rest of the developed world is ready to move past defining ourselves in terms of sex. The ball is in the women's court.

[Anonymous No.6541179]

>>6541129

turtle dreams is my fav


>>6541133

this guy isnt me

[Anonymous No.6541183]

>>6541168
>a man whose "art" consists entirely of gigantic penis sculptures

>>6541147

[Anonymous No.6541194]

>>6541147
oh yes, let's go for some giger glory

>Christian people complained about his alien egg design with the openings resembling vaginas, so he made them crosses instead

[Anonymous No.6541201]

>>6540563

[Anonymous No.6541202]

penis

[Anonymous No.6541207]

[Anonymous No.6541219]

I should rewatch that face hugging rape fest feminist masterpiece

[Anonymous No.6541230]

I present to you the Wote Street Willy, a landmark of Basingstoke (town near where i live), "the largest sculpture of a penis on public display in the United Kingdom".

[Anonymous No.6541232]

[Anonymous No.6541309]

Wecome to the human condition you ignorant pleb

[Anonymous No.6541329]

>>6541309
i really want some vodka right now

[Anonymous No.6541339]

/lit/ is for the discussion of literature.

If you want to talk about art, go to /ic/.

[Anonymous No.6541372]

>>6540663
free bleeding was a false flag operation by MRAs

[Anonymous No.6541379]

How the fuck did feminism become a meme? /lit/ should be cultured enough to understand how wide the term is and how small is the internet's criticism

[Anonymous No.6541389]

>>6541000
This is beautiful.

Thanks.

[Anonymous No.6541390]

>>6541379
NO THEYR ALL WHORES

INFERIOR

LOW
IQ

NEVER ACHIEVED ANYTHING

LESS INHERENT WORTH

WHORES

[Anonymous No.6541396]

>>6541010
>art has become mildly politlcally charged

Art has been completely political for at least 200 years. Anyone who says the opposite is either a filthy aesthethicist or delusional.

[Anonymous No.6541398]

>>6541390
you are the reason we can't have nice things

[Anonymous No.6541405]

>>6541026
Well, I'm far from a feminist, but Schiele is indeed a master on bringing beauty to every form and situation of womanhood.

[Anonymous No.6541418]

>>6541168
>Whether someone happens to own a penis or a vagina is a terribly petty thing to dwell upon.
It is, isn't it? Then why are women in this position that they have in society because of their vaginas. What you're saying is part of their point.

> women unironically boasting how their vagina defines them
But it's the contrary, that they define their vaginas.

It's very different for men and women. A man's penis is not a critical aspect of his identity because it is the default sex. Women are the ones who are defined by their genitals, and why so?

>then I doubt anyone in the developed world could become sexist through experience
This is idiotic, the world is sexist in itself. It's not a matter of "becoming sexist", you've been brainwashed to believe this is really about vaginas, dicks, barbies and gi joes, and not about universal rights that have been historically taken from women. "I doubt if we stop talking about racism, racism ends!" This is how retarded you sound.

I'm not your friend, fuck you.

[Anonymous No.6541419]

>>6541398

how else are you going to respond to /pol/ raids but with ironic shitposts and reporting/saging?

>reasoning

>>6541379

>implying a /lit/izen made this thread

hombre..

[Anonymous No.6541422]

>>6541398
>muh feels

feminist logic everyone

[Anonymous No.6541423]

>>6541379
I think it's just that the reasonable feminism has achieved what it can (independent of that being what it aimed for) and so it's not interesting to discuss it anymore. I'd go to this literature only if I really have the time or think I need the perspective. But men have their own issues now which probably aren't solved by those theories.

[Anonymous No.6541427]

>>6540743
So basically you're Victor Svatsky
http://jezebel.com/the-man-behind-femen-is-no-friend-of-the-movement-1251310779

[Anonymous No.6541432]

>>6541418

>implying rocco siffredi does not owe his position in society to his hanging garden

[Anonymous No.6541442]

>>6541418
Taken?

I'd say the default comes from it being the perspective of people who made history, and the power (and desire for power) dynamics is (tautological) a result of biology.

[Anonymous No.6541452]

>>6541405
I don't think bringing and expressing beauty to how women are perceived in any situation is a feminist goal.

[Anonymous No.6541501]

>>6540576

He's not wrong, this place is also more infested with obnoxious marxists than the English department at an ivy league university

[Anonymous No.6541515]

>>6541419
>how else are you going to respond to /pol/ raids
>if you don't agree with my philosophy, you must be raiding
>stop thinking what I don't think

Where are non-leftists supposed to discuss literature?

[Anonymous No.6541521]

>>6541452
What I mean by beauty is a serene naturality, a way to display women and women's bodies without your typical embarassment or hyper-sexualization (which is great, since he's clearly erotic, but in a "sex is a natural part of life" way)

[Anonymous No.6541527]

>>6541026
>http://gseart.tumblr.com/post/100934343707/the-vagina-dialogues-was-schiele-a-feminist-in
>http://gseart
>gseart
>s-gerat
>Schwarzgerät

So really they want to shove some boipussi inside a rocket and launch him at London? Nice try, "feminists".

[Anonymous No.6541540]

>>6540471
>Why do feminist
mental illness

mental illness and feminism go hand in hand

[Anonymous No.6541558]

>>6541168
God damn you're a complete idiot, you're so ignorant that you think acculturization is a completely conscious process that happens as you critically examine it and pick and choose your values.

[Anonymous No.6541579]

>>6541521
You say it's clearly erotic, but I don't even know how to interpret erotic here.
Schieles young self-portrait is my favorite picture by him
(cont.)

[Anonymous No.6541591]

And then there are his famous women pictures, which are beautiful in the same sense to me. I don't think eroticism enters my mind when I judge them - hence I don't see the female in that light there. At least I think that's how it is.
It's how the pictures are done in general, how the content was captures.

[Anonymous No.6541603]

>>6541515

>Where are non-leftists supposed to discuss literature?

on /lit/

>Where are non-leftists supposed to discuss feminism?

on /pol/, the board for politics and ideology

[Anonymous No.6541614]

>>6541591
>>6541579

post more schiele, dled every single one you posted

[Anonymous No.6541618]

>>6541418

>It is, isn't it? Then why are women in this position that they have in society because of their vaginas. What you're saying is part of their point.

Men are in the positions they are in society because of their penises as well, that's how we make the bifurcation that defines gender roles, what is the difference ? Two sexes, and gender roles that correspond loosely to the biological facts of the sex ( women are less analytic, and more vulnerable due to pregnancy than men, have a higher degree of empathy than men, physically weaker, less testosterone, ect). You are making a major error, you are confusing the fact that men have the dominant and more active and responsibility laden position as them being the "default". Not everyone bought Aristotle's idea that women were just defective men, being in the subordinate role does not make you "the other", it just so happens that men were doing most of the writing so obviously they weren't going to pretend that they were women or have the intimate knowledge of women that women did. Women also tend to flourish the best in subordinate positions, so allot of women have been proud defenders of gender roles over the years, because they could tell what a disaster deviating from them would be. Even still, Meideval Christianity struck a nice balance, lots of women involved in politics, Hildegard advised the Pope, and De Pizan was the most popular writer and arguably the first professional writer of Europe, a woman had a monopoly on the english beer industry for a while, but they neither broke down into sensationalism or delusions about them being something other than what they are, traditional christian patriarchy allowed women to flourish within the subordinate positions that were best for them and didn't require self deception. What do we get now to compare to Pizan's masterworks?, crude vagina drawings, ad hominem fallacy laden arguments , spooky theories of social structures that are contradicted by basic biology, and intellectual dishonesty that constantly re writes history so to manufacture women's crises amd keep women subordinated to the state and a feminist hive mind, one which boils woman to her lowest common denominator as an idealized victim. Thanks feminism!

> and not about universal rights that have been historically taken from women

Universal rights are a spooky invention made by bad enlightenment Philosophers as a substitute for Christian moral ideas, you can't take something from women that they never had in the first place. Unless you are religious then rights only exist insofar as there is a state or community willing to enforce them with violence, if there were none for women then the closest you can come to justifying your claim is through the the lighter egalitarianism that comes with Christianity ( men have to stay monogamous like women do, murdering your wife is not cool, women are technically just as able to access God as men, don't throw rocks at prostitutes, ect).

[Anonymous No.6541820]

>>6540471
My question is:

If women's goals are to stop being reduced merely to their sexual organs, why is that all that they themselves are concerned with?

Both feminists and its opposition see women as vaginas

[Anonymous No.6541874]

>>6541820
It's the problem of a movement that has no clear goal or principles. It's why third-wave feminism was doomed to fail from the starting gate.

[Anonymous No.6541879]

>>6541820
OMG the reason feminists depict the vagina in art has been explained about a dozen times ITT. Are you fucking dense as fuck or what?

[Anonymous No.6541895]

>asking a bunch of self-loathing man-children about gender politics

And before anyone gets offended by my mean SJW namecalling, i'm including myself in that. I haven't even read The Second Sex.

[Anonymous No.6541904]

>>6540471
Feminists are sexists. For them everything revolves around sex. Sometimes I think they are retarded.

[Anonymous No.6541951]

>>6540533
it's also mostly the /art/ board if you haven't noticed