Muslimbro trying to get a qt3.14 patrician Christian to convert. What texts are the best, preferably appealing to Christians? She's very well read, so it's gotta be good.

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Muslimbro trying to get a qt3.14 patrician Christian to convert. What texts are the best, preferably appealing to Christians? She's very well read, so it's gotta be good.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 12 23:56:56 2015 No.6533253 >>6533231 this is horrible bait and im responding anyways

>>	Anonymous Tue May 12 23:59:21 2015 No.6533267 >>6533253 How the heck is it bait? I've never even posted on this board before, but I've lurked a bit and I was under the impression you guys were decently mature.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:02:32 2015 No.6533282 >>6533231 >converting from based Christianity to Islam I mean philosophers like Averroes and Avicenna were pretty based, I'm probably biased or ignorant but doesn't Christianity have a larger intellectual tradition?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:02:57 2015 No.6533284 >>6533231 Why push for conversion? Surely whatever is willed will be, and whatever is not will not; there's no real reason to press the point.

Anonymous Wed May 13 00:04:44 2015 No.6533291

>>6533231
read the fucking bible and tell her things that christians like
Jesus being son of god
like homosexuality is bad
like porn is bad
like being a good person is good
and so on

I dunno, I wanna read the quoran bro.

maybe you can ask her about her favorite verses?

or some christian movie?

come on, bro, just read the bible.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:06:07 2015 No.6533294 >>6533282 No, not at all. It was pagans and Islam that got mathematics really going. >>6533284 God willed me to push for conversion.

Anonymous Wed May 13 00:07:20 2015 No.6533302

>>6533231
It was my understanding that Muslims are not supposed to put effort into converting. Rather, they're supposed to make Islam look good through their own example and encourage people to do whatever they wish with their own lies. This has brought me closer to it.

I would say, take her to your Mosque or place of worship, let her meet the people in your faith. Muslims have been the friendliest people I've ever met, and they all wow me with how cordial they are. She will notice this. Rather than relying on the holy text, which might work, you could influence her by showing just how calm and sane and rational all the mosque-goers are, what a tight-knit family of all countries it is.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:07:24 2015 No.6533303 >>6533291 >Jesus >son of God I have read the Bible.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:08:24 2015 No.6533309 >>6533302 I could try to get her to come, I don't know how keen she'd be on that, but I suppose it's worth a shot. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:09:09 2015 No.6533312 >>6533294 Both Islam and Christianity took in a lot from Greek philosophers, I guess when you consider things like math the yeah. It's probably just that I can name a lot of Christian philosophers but only a few Islamic ones.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:13:16 2015 No.6533329 >>6533312 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_philosophers

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:13:55 2015 No.6533334 >>6533294 Muslims stole the indians math and kept some Roman and Greek texts safe and now we never hear the end of it...

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:14:33 2015 No.6533341 > Take her out for a fancy couscous dinner > Throat-sing her your favorite ph lemy Arabic pop songs > Show her photos of your 87 cousins gathering dates > Blow her up > Get 77 virgins

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:14:41 2015 No.6533342 >>6533231 Why don't you just convert to Christianity? Mohammed is a false prophet anyways. Would make your life 10x easier.

Anonymous Wed May 13 00:16:27 2015 No.6533348

>>6533231
What is the best version of the Qur'an? I'm thinking of converting too but the one on my phone has this:

إِنَّمَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ إِخْوَةٌ فَأَصْلِحُوا بَيْنَ أَخَوَيْكُمْ ۚ وَاتَّقُوا اللَّهَ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُرْحَمُونَ<
>The believers are nothing else than brothers (in Islamic religion). So make reconciliation between your brothers, and fear Allah, that you may receive mercy. [49:10]

The Holy Qur'an - القرآن الكريم

Are all translations consistent with each other? Should I learn Arabic to understand the word of God?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:16:34 2015 No.6533349 >>6533342 Because Christianity has polytheistic tendencies. I acknowledge prophets from the Bible, of course, just not that religion.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:17:36 2015 No.6533356 >>6533348 >rejecting the love of the one true God I'll say a prayer for you

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:19:19 2015 No.6533366 >>6533349 Interesting, every time I hear Islamic criticism of Christianity it's the trinity that comes up. Understandable I guess from an outside point of view, I doubt many Christians even really think about the trinity.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:19:43 2015 No.6533368 >>6533348 You should ideally learn Arabic, definitely. I would recommend using multiple translations in the meantime, but the one I mostly prefer is Maulana Muhammad Ali's translation

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:20:41 2015 No.6533372 >>6533342 >believing Christianity is anything but a mix of corrupt Judaic zealotry and demonic pagan polytheism

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:21:53 2015 No.6533376 Maybe you should leave her alone, better yet sincerely question your motives for trying to change someones life. Its not like you're saving her from anything, just placing the leash in new hands.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:23:14 2015 No.6533380 >>6533376 You seem to be coming from the perspective of an atheist. But I'm not an atheist.

Anonymous Wed May 13 00:23:42 2015 No.6533381
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>>6533294

God may will you to push for conversion, though I would advise understanding if God did not intend for you to succeed.

Faith is a very delicate matter, and in matters of conversion it's unlikely that one would suddenly see the revealed truths of Islam and adopt the practice of it. At best an attempt at conversion will boil down to your emphasis on works of scripture which you will hold to be true and handed down by God, which your friend, due to her faith, may not hold to be true. You would quickly reach an impasse.

Another anon mentioned conversion through good example. I think this makes the most sense. In my experience and study of Islam I have never felt motivated to agree on the particular metaphysical claims, but I have gained more respect for Muslims as a whole. The same can be said (mostly) for my experience with Muslims in my own community; the vast majority have been magnanimous and gracious. If you attempt a conversion by example, in the worse case you would have exhibited virtuous conduct, and made the world a better place for Muslims in the process. If you succeed, then you would have completed the goal you started with in the first place.

Anyway, good luck I suppose; as I said before, God will see to it whatever should be will be.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:24:10 2015 No.6533385 >>6533294 No, it was the Italians. The Muslims never even considered negative numbers to have an independent existence.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:24:34 2015 No.6533388 >>6533368 Okay, thank you! :D I'll try to learn Arabic as best as I can and I'll read that translation. (along with others)

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:25:02 2015 No.6533392 >>6533380 I'm not an atheist either, just a fan of "live and let live" If you just want to fuck someone theres better ways to achieve that

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:25:42 2015 No.6533394 >>6533380 What he's saying is still valid, though. You should question your motives for doing this.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:26:00 2015 No.6533396 >>6533381 Get ready for an epic life. If you're a muslim, you will have an epic life.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:27:01 2015 No.6533400 >>6533356 What are you talking about? I don't reject Allah's love for me anymore. :D

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:31:22 2015 No.6533414 >>6533231 why would anyone want to believe such a shitty conception of heaven?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 00:58:46 2015 No.6533463 this one got me to convert >muh 9 year old bride if fucking prepubescent qt3.14s is good enough for the prophet blessed be his name it's good enough for me & roman polanski.

Anonymous Wed May 13 01:16:22 2015 No.6533508

>>6533231
well, don't have her read the quran because compared to the new testament it is shit
i think you want to go by example, as others said
the muslims are like the mormons when each is at their best: lights of sanity burning off base fuel shining more brightly than those burning off more sensible substances

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 01:25:59 2015 No.6533533 If she's a well read patrician you don't have a chance. She's read enough to know she already belongs to the greatest religious tradition in the history of the world. >>6533302 Enjoy your beheading.

Anonymous Wed May 13 01:49:25 2015 No.6533574

>>6533463
Marriage is based on love, not sex. It's like getting the part of Jesus turning water into wine and just assuming he was a drunk based on that. People are too ready to hate on Islam instead of readily trying to understand it. This is the tragedy of the human race: that when God tries to communicate, He is ignored.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 01:59:04 2015 No.6533592 File: 138 KB, 1075x1075, 1428812370002.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how do these kind of people live

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 02:02:03 2015 No.6533596 >>6533329 Interesting, /wiki/List_of_irrelevant_people also links to this page.

Anonymous Wed May 13 02:30:47 2015 No.6533680

What is to be gained from islam over Christianity? It's hardcore about submission before god but that's the only main pillar of ideology my limited understanding can pick out. Christianity on the other hand has a real fleshed out and diverse belief system and there is a lot to be learned and explored. Islam seems more quick to command god's will than to think about ones place in the world.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 03:01:08 2015 No.6533764 >>6533231 Show her this documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6bFR4_Ppk8

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 03:10:44 2015 No.6533783 >>6533680 You can have multiple wives.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 03:25:39 2015 No.6533816 >>6533267 >decently mature nice b8 m8

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 03:38:21 2015 No.6533846 >>6533574 I'm pretty sure Jesus was smashed as shit at that wedding.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 03:45:35 2015 No.6533860 >>6533282 It does. Islam is more of a convert or die.

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Wed May 13 04:05:01 2015 No.6533893 >>6533860 Yeah, that's how Christianity eradicated its pagan competition

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 04:25:18 2015 No.6533926 Start with killing yourself

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 04:50:03 2015 No.6533969 >>6533783 So can Mormons.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 04:53:03 2015 No.6533971 >there are actual sky fairy believers on /lit/ Holy shit, I thought this was supposed to be the intellectual board

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 05:15:27 2015 No.6534021 >>6533231 so you need to convert this girl, who i presume you are attracted to/like as a person/both, before you will consider being in a relationship with her? she's a lucky girl...

Anonymous Wed May 13 05:17:50 2015 No.6534028

>>6533294
>God willed me to push for conversion
you're telling me that an omnipotent being beyond physical reality, which actually CREATED physical reality, personally spoke to you and said, "Hey, make that girl read your book and not any of the other ones."

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 05:20:20 2015 No.6534034 File: 73 KB, 455x395, polebro.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Muslims You never fail to live up to the negative stereotypes

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 05:29:57 2015 No.6534049 Both of them are stupid, but at least the punishment for apostasy in Christianity isn't death. Grow up and stop caring about who has the best dogma.

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Wed May 13 05:33:13 2015 No.6534056 >>6534049 >but at least the punishment for apostasy in Christianity isn't death That's just because Christianity has become toothless.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 05:34:33 2015 No.6534059 >>6534056 That's a good thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 05:36:01 2015 No.6534064 >>6534056 >That's just because Christianity has become toothless. lol'd, I'm sure voltaire was shaking in his longstockings right? >hurr catholic actions= Christianity

Anonymous Wed May 13 05:36:44 2015 No.6534065

>>6533680
You should learn more about Islam firstly. Making a statement that Islam is all about submission so it's shit is like saying Christianity is all about love so it's good, this is the ignorant assumptions of children. Islam has had hundreds of years of internal theological and philsohical debate, it has many different sects pursuing different spiritual goals beyond simply obeying divine law (Following god's will in islam is basically a given for everyone outside of esoteric sects so to define the entire thing merely on this and to recognize the immense differences in practices between different groups and their goals is alone evidence that there is more to islam than submission) chiefly Sufi.
I suggest the history of philosophy podcast as he covers the middle ages, which includes Islam's high points, not only this but he compares all of it to it's context with other places and with past philosophers and thinkers. And read some Rumi while you're at it.

>>	ΟΥΤΙΣ Wed May 13 05:41:39 2015 No.6534072 >>6534064 The Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church were the only Christians for quite some time.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 05:42:00 2015 No.6534073 >>6534065 Or, he could just stop caring about superstitious bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 05:43:31 2015 No.6534076 >>6534073 This is a /lit/ board, I'm assuming people are interested in history, philosophy, literature/poetry and humanities. I am not arguing from any religious perspective if that is what you are assuming.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 05:48:50 2015 No.6534087 >>6534076 LOL

Anonymous Wed May 13 05:54:03 2015 No.6534094
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>>6534087
You don't have to damage control if you act retarded anon by acting more retarded, you are anonymous. And as a second thing why would you mention someone not caring about a topic when the person I replied to discussed the topic, read the threads you are in.

Anonymous Wed May 13 05:55:41 2015 No.6534099

>>6534076
I wouldn't call anything pre-Frege philosophy, really. Just opinions. If you want poetry/good literature I would avoid 'Don't Do What Donny Don't Does' (the koran). It's interesting from a historical perspective, knowing how one simple, illiterate pedophile could raise an army to create a great empire with obvious modern day implications.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 05:56:13 2015 No.6534101 Why not accept her different faith?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 05:57:59 2015 No.6534106 File: 97 KB, 500x500, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6534101 Because Muhammad said that's naughty.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 07:47:10 2015 No.6534303 >>6533231 What branch of Islam do you belong to, and why?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 07:57:43 2015 No.6534318 File: 4 KB, 250x250, 1426717095877.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6533231 Heresy and apostasy on MY /lit/!?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 08:17:11 2015 No.6534351 >>6534303 Sufism

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 08:19:15 2015 No.6534355 This is bait if I've ever seen it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 08:35:47 2015 No.6534384 >>6533231 There is no reason to convert to Islam. Guidance is from Allah alone.

Anonymous Wed May 13 08:40:21 2015 No.6534388

>>6533388
Learning arabic takes literally years. You need to be strong in the grammar, which is highly complex, the rhetoric and morphology. It's not a light matter. Getting to a high enough level to appreciate the Quran on a literary level will take more than 5 years.

Anonymous Wed May 13 08:46:22 2015 No.6534400

>>6534065
Being a muslims in 2015 has nothing to with medieval philosophy. Today, Muslims in general are actively hostile to philosophy. In the muslim community you will meet no one who knows anything about it. You will meet people who will say things like 'thats haram isnt it?', or scholars who tell you to stop reading it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 08:51:12 2015 No.6534411 >>6533366 Many Christian theologians have thought a lot about the Trinity, more or less all of them unsuccessfully.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 08:56:08 2015 No.6534425 >>6534049 The punishment for apostasy in Islam isn't death either, at least not according to Muhammad.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 08:59:06 2015 No.6534432 >>6534400 This is true for pretty much all religions ever.

Anonymous Wed May 13 11:05:12 2015 No.6534801

You can show her the "miracles" in the Quran which she might fall for if she's gullible. Be prepared for it to backfire though when she realizes she got rused

Alternatively, you can read about the Quran's syriac origins and linguistic errors and convert to Christianity. Would be like swapping your x90 for a rodius though, i suppose

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:07:41 2015 No.6534807 >>6534065 Well in the case of comparing ignorant reductivisms, christianity's "love everyone, even your enemies, as God loves you" is far more cogent a stance than "submission before god"

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:10:43 2015 No.6534819 looks like Foucault was wrong, Mankind isn't an invention of recent date.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:11:36 2015 No.6534823 File: 172 KB, 960x886, 1428591478920.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This thread is disappointing. I thought /lit/ was catholic like me. :(

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:14:31 2015 No.6534831 >>6533231 Salamn Rushdie - The Satanic Verses

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:15:27 2015 No.6534833 >>6533231 Why don't you become a patrician Christian instead, OP? It's better!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:17:05 2015 No.6534844 File: 371 KB, 1024x825, BillBurrOlBillyBitchtits.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is now a religion general. Any other Jews here?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:18:24 2015 No.6534850 >>6534823 we are Catholic by the majority. We aren't going to heckle someone because they believe something different though. We will just say a prayer for him and move on.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:19:53 2015 No.6534856 >>6534106 please remove this and kindly go back to /pol/

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:21:05 2015 No.6534862 Tell her that you want to live a life of suffering together to being yourselves closer to god.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:22:02 2015 No.6534865 >>6534425 "And fight with them until there is no more fitna ( unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:23:12 2015 No.6534874 >>6534844 ברכת הבית. That's Ron Howard, not Bill Burr lol.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:25:29 2015 No.6534883 >>6534844 Ron Howard suddenly looks really tired. How did that happen?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:26:44 2015 No.6534887 >>6534856 Why should I remove it? Why should I go to /pol/ just for pointing out the fact that Muhammad was a raping, murderous paedophile warlord?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:28:22 2015 No.6534895 >>6534887 He wasn't a literary writer.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:28:38 2015 No.6534897 >>6534887 because it hurts his feelings :(

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:29:16 2015 No.6534902 Convert to Catholicism now, heathen

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:30:02 2015 No.6534905 This 'we're all Catholics' meme is less funny than baneposting.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:31:01 2015 No.6534911 >>6534895 Because he was illiterate.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:31:54 2015 No.6534916 >>6534911 Whatever, go to /pol/, this is /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:31:58 2015 No.6534918 >>6534905 You're out of the loop. We had poll for posters here and the majority of us are Catholics. The original joke was that /lit/ is Calvinistic.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:35:15 2015 No.6534927 >>6534916 Stating facts is a bad thing now?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:38:12 2015 No.6534946 >>6534927 No, but insulting the Prophet is.

>>	The cats Wed May 13 11:39:18 2015 No.6534952 >>6534918 >Implying anyone but christfags with something to prove gives a fuck about some retarded NSA poll

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:40:41 2015 No.6534964 >>6534918 kek

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:42:51 2015 No.6534977 >>6534946 For you. But this is the most liberal board on 4chan, and not the kind of liberal that let's you lot get away with anything. The kind of liberal that above all else, values free speech.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:43:44 2015 No.6534984 >>6534977 You're a racist, go back to /pol/. I reported your drawing, by the way. Hope you get b& Mr. Free Speech :)

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:47:18 2015 No.6534996 >>6534977 no, we are the most leftist not liberal. there is a difference.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:49:40 2015 No.6535005 File: 113 KB, 573x591, mudslime2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6533267

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:49:41 2015 No.6535006 >>6534388 I am not daunted by the task before me if it's to better understand God's message to humanity.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:50:41 2015 No.6535014 >>6533372 this

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:53:00 2015 No.6535023 >>6534946 Lol. Go fuck yourself you dirty muzzie.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:53:09 2015 No.6535025 >>6535006 The Koran just tells you what not to do to avoid hurting god's feelings.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:53:41 2015 No.6535030 >>6533372 Christfag here willing to debate with you. I also am finished with my masters theology program. Your statement is an absolute farce.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:55:23 2015 No.6535038 >>6535030 >I'm a Christian, debate me We've come full circle.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:55:41 2015 No.6535041 >>6534946 Your prophet was pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:55:44 2015 No.6535043 >>6535005 reported for hate speech

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:56:46 2015 No.6535046 >>6535038 made me chuckle

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:57:57 2015 No.6535054 What the fuck's going on in this thread? Can't we all just love God?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:58:10 2015 No.6535057 >>6535041 Your white boi racism is laughable. You say that shit behind a screen, but what would you say in real life?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 11:59:41 2015 No.6535063 >>6533231 >105 replies and 9 images omitted. Click here to view.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:02:59 2015 No.6535076 >>6535057 You wouldn't say that shit to ME, camel fucker.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:04:01 2015 No.6535080 >>6535076 Nice comeback, it's about as original as your religion.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:04:49 2015 No.6535084 Sorry, the only religious people /lit/ tolerates are lefebvrist catholics

Anonymous Wed May 13 12:07:39 2015 No.6535093

>Muslim culture in the middle east was the cradle of civilization 1,000 years ago!
>They used to bang rocks together and fuck goats.
>Citing Muslim culture from a millennium ago is a valid riposte for when people point out how shitty Muslims are in the modern world.

Keep on keepin' on guys.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:08:50 2015 No.6535099 Show her the latest most fashionable burqas.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:09:26 2015 No.6535103 File: 38 KB, 500x332, 1395410114849.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Since this is a literature board, here's a pic of a book.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:09:49 2015 No.6535106 >>6535093 I dont get the hate for Islam. If you follow the Quran line by line, it's actually a pretty reasonable lifestyle.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:13:14 2015 No.6535123 >>6535106 >it's actually a pretty reasonable lifestyle. Yeah, I especially like the part about sex slaves, polygamy and killing infidels.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:15:39 2015 No.6535134 File: 42 KB, 608x337, beheadqurancapture-vi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6533231 This would do nicely

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:16:41 2015 No.6535139 File: 1.98 MB, 3360x4495, haram.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >this triggers the muslim

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>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:18:37 2015 No.6535147 >>6535123 Your ignorance, along with all the other hate in this thread, creates no intellectual conversation. Please, direct your hate away from Islam.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:20:39 2015 No.6535155 >>6535147 We have Quran quotes specifically allowing, even commanding these things. You don't want intellectual conversation. You want one will, your own. This place thrives on dissenting opinion, your religion demands it not exist.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:21:19 2015 No.6535159 >>6535147 >that's ignorant So we should just ignore the verses in the Koran about things we don't like?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:21:27 2015 No.6535162 >>6535147 >Islam. >Intellectual conversation. Topkek.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:21:29 2015 No.6535163 File: 105 KB, 563x461, 1410203950658.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6535147 It's not ignorance it's fact. I will combat the the barbaric pedophile warlord cult known as "Islam" until the day I die, you dirty mudslime.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:22:53 2015 No.6535171 Can't we all get back on topic of helping OP score with a chick?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:23:41 2015 No.6535178 >>6533231 same shit

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:23:56 2015 No.6535182 >>6535163 Could you do it on /pol/ plz?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:23:58 2015 No.6535183 >>6535171 No?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:24:56 2015 No.6535188 >>6534844 You've infected this board as well?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:24:58 2015 No.6535189 >>6535182 I'll do it wherever I like.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:26:03 2015 No.6535194 >>6535171 Helping somebody convert a woman to Islam is one of the most amoral things one could do, considering how Islam treats women.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:27:11 2015 No.6535202 >>6535163 >>6535162 >>6535159 >>6535155 >>6535142 >>6535134 >>6535139 >>6535103 Islam does not criticize you but you criticize it. Go back to /pol/ and leave Islam alone.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:27:41 2015 No.6535206 >>6535005 I see you poorly edited out where that said /pol/ and replaced it with /lit/.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:28:37 2015 No.6535211 >>6535202 >Islam does not criticize you Islam literally wants me dead. >Go back to /pol/ and leave Islam alone. How about you go back to whatever muslim shithole you crawled out from?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:28:58 2015 No.6535213 >>6535182 Speaking of, isn't OP's thread off-topic anyways? It shouldn't even be here to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:29:08 2015 No.6535214 >>6535202 >waaah let us kill, rape and conquer others >we dindu nuffin

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:31:19 2015 No.6535223 >>6535202 >wage war on the infidel until they are dead or submit Yeah sorry but im going to reserve the right to criticize a religion that demands the destruction of my way of life

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:35:55 2015 No.6535250 ITT: Muslims getting rekt

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:37:35 2015 No.6535256 >>6533231 Did anyone check this verse? It's a mistranslation. "The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy." Believers only applies to Muslims, not non-Muslims.

Anonymous Wed May 13 12:41:10 2015 No.6535270

I've been thinking lately: It's pretty unfortunate that Muslims have access to modern weaponry but have not had the benefit of having gone through a secular enlightenment in the way that western civilization did. The result is that Muslim culture is violent, archaic and ignorant, but equipped with more destructive technology than what western civilizations had when they were still in the religious and moral dark ages.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:43:56 2015 No.6535276 >>6535256 Typical taqqiya I see.

Anonymous Wed May 13 12:48:59 2015 No.6535296

>>6535006
I spent 4 years learning Arabic myself. I don't see much difference between the Qur'an before and after. It's still pretty boring at times, and not-entirely-sensical. Although there are some deep verses which could be understood in English anyway. You don't get that much more out of it by reading it in Arabic. And yes, I am a Muslim. I am just being honest.

The Qur'an being so eloquent that it must be from God is just a dogma in the end. Muslim scholars say that we must believe in it, so the masses just accept their judgment and parrot what they hear. But it is just a dogma. Religious truths are revealed, meaning they cannot be proven and are beyond rationality, not necessarily against rationality. That's why you 'believe' in them instead of 'know' them. Muslims just feel motivated by their faith to get others to accept it, because of their zeal for it. So they come up with these proofs like Qur'anic eloquence and the scientific miracles in the Qur'an. These are well meaning attempts but don't stand up to scrutiny, because in the end it is about faith. Which is only from God.

فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ يُضِلُّ مَن يَشَاءُ وَيَهْدِي مَن يَشَاءُ

{For indeed, Allah sends astray whom He wills and guides whom He wills}

It is not about proof. If God wants you to believe in Islam then you will, without proof. And if he doesn't then no proof will be adequate.

Anonymous Wed May 13 12:49:36 2015 No.6535298

>>6535023
>>6535139
>>6535142
>>6535155
>>6535163
>>6535250
It's quite disappointing to see this attitude on /lit/ to be honest. I expect it on /b/, but /lit/? The Quran is one of the most sublime books ever written, perhaps the most sublime. Admired and revered by European greats such as Goethe and Napoleon. It's sad to see you drop to the level of lowly Islamophobics bordering on Neo-Nazis on a board that is supposed to be intellectual. Please study Islam and learn from it before you open your mouths because this is pure hubris.

Anonymous Wed May 13 12:49:57 2015 No.6535301

>>6535202
>someone says something against your beliefs
>calls out your shitty murderous ideology for what it is

>when in doubt, spam le go back to pol meme ad infinitum like the inept, unimaginable homunculus that you are

Get out you pathetic excuse for a failed abortion

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:50:48 2015 No.6535304 >>6535298 Hi, Achmed.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:52:34 2015 No.6535311 >>6535304 Hey Johnny.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:53:00 2015 No.6535315 >>6535311 Fuck off, goat fucker.

Anonymous Wed May 13 12:53:04 2015 No.6535316

>>6535298
“Consider the Koran, for example; this wretched book was sufficient to start a world-religion, to satisfy the metaphysical needs of countless millions for twelve hundred years, to become the basis of their morality and of a remarkable contempt for death, and also to inspire them to bloody wars and the most extensive conquests. Much may be lost in translation, but I have not been able to discover in it one single idea of value.”

Arthur Schopenhauer

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:53:35 2015 No.6535321 File: 38 KB, 450x337, 1409725399396.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6535298 >>6535202 >can't handle the banter

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:54:14 2015 No.6535323 >>6535315 This is the level of you European / American "master race" Christians. Keep displaying your "superiority", mr. Aryan.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:54:51 2015 No.6535326 >>6535323 I'm an atheist.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:55:46 2015 No.6535330 >>6535323 Its too easy to exceed you when you're setting the bar so low. Even a semiretarded European is more useful than the average mudslime

Anonymous Wed May 13 12:56:02 2015 No.6535334

Here is a good list for her OP :

>http://www.amazon.com/Islamic-Sharia-Law-English-Translation-ebook/dp/B005HIT17S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431534730&sr=8-1&keywords=sharia
Get immediately to the source, impossible to parry.

>http://www.amazon.com/Decline-Eastern-Christianity-Under-Islam/dp/1611471362/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1431535139&sr=1-3&keywords=bat+yeor
Jewess telling it like it is.

>http://www.amazon.com/Quranic-Studies-Sources-Scriptural-Interpretation/dp/1591022010/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1431535509&sr=1-1&keywords=Wansbrough
Prime historical reference on Islam.

>http://www.amazon.com/Syro-Aramaic-Reading-Koran-Contribution-Decoding/dp/3899300882/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1431535644&sr=1-1&keywords=Christoph+Luxenberg
Luxenberg, gretest scholar of Semitic languages in the last century, showing how the Kuran was written.

Unfortunately the best orientalists are French and German, many not translated in English.
Here is the two best histories of how islam appeared :
>http://www.amazon.fr/dp/2757812203/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=TJBOD5S2Y491&coliid=I30NWVGCEO0ARO
>http://www.amazon.fr/Le-messie-son-proph%C3%A8te-origines/dp/2851620649/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:56:18 2015 No.6535335 >>6535326 So you believe the universe magically popped up out of nothing? And you have no basis for morality? Just nihilistic nonsense. LEL

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:57:19 2015 No.6535340 >>6535330 >mudslime Reported. Enjoy your ban and take this Neo-Nazi shit to /pol/

Anonymous Wed May 13 12:57:24 2015 No.6535341

/lit/ is a muslim board, said no one never

Islam doesn't stand up for intellectual inquiry and that is why their societys are so backward. Christianity managed to adapt with nations that travelled to the moon and invented the Internet. Altough conservative they fill a function as a break to the uttermost extreme progressive ideals. It's gas-break relationship that has proved it's worth.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:57:28 2015 No.6535342 >>6535335 Have you heard of Aristotle?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 12:57:31 2015 No.6535344 >>6535335 Morality is relative to culture and you have no evidence for your god. He is an invention of a scheming, paedophillic merchant.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:00:11 2015 No.6535355 >>6535341 >Islam doesn't stand up for intellectual inquiry Philosophy was banned in the Muslim world about 1000 years ago. Imam al-ghazali said that anyone who teaches it should be killed.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:00:20 2015 No.6535357 >>6535335 You sure have shown the fedora ! Doesn't help that you are refering to G-d by using the name of some ancient moon avatar.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:01:06 2015 No.6535362 >>6535298 >People are voicing concerns about the bigotry in my holy book and are citing examples. >Better call them Nazis and Islamophobes.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:02:48 2015 No.6535372 >>6535335 No, what happened was that an omnipresent and supernatural god popped up out of nothing, and then created the universe.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:02:55 2015 No.6535373 >>6535189 Not for long you won't, autist.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:03:37 2015 No.6535378 File: 68 KB, 550x425, al-quran-in-toilet-1-resized.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6535340 Too bad you can't blow people up over the internet huh?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:04:13 2015 No.6535379 >>6535298 Go fuck a camel, abdul

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:04:55 2015 No.6535383 >>6535372 God is uncreated. He is the prime mover. Learn basic logic. Even Aristotle proved god.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:05:54 2015 No.6535389 File: 434 KB, 800x450, QnPoUlw.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6535340 >free and rational disccusion is not allowed on this board This isn't reddit or tumblr. If you wish to impose your primitive beliefs and have no criticism, go there

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:07:09 2015 No.6535400 >>6535389 >primitive beliefs Atheism is primitive.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:10:31 2015 No.6535422 >>6535389 It's racist banter, not free and rational discussion. Why the fuck are you even trying to do this here when you have an entire board of fellow hair-trigger nutcases to play with? Get to /pol/.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:10:37 2015 No.6535423 >>6535389 >Expecting anything else from them. >>6535400 True, but it doesn't imply anything. Seeing things around you with your eyes is primitive too.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:12:17 2015 No.6535436 >>6535383 >Aristotle >logic laughingfrege.jpg

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:13:50 2015 No.6535444 >>6535422 >It's racist banter, I wasn't aware that Islam was a race, you filthy mudslime.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:13:59 2015 No.6535445 File: 67 KB, 545x545, 1423542894559.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6535422 >religion >racism Pick a single one. >>6535436 No need to go full retard Russel.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:14:02 2015 No.6535447 >>6535341 >m-muh ancient math and astronomy

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:14:22 2015 No.6535451 >>6535422 >my feelings Childish banter. This board is for adult cultures that can handle free speech without subsequent maniacal killing sprees.

Anonymous Wed May 13 13:15:24 2015 No.6535459

>>6535422
How is it racist? Is Islam a race?Several people have highlighted the barbaric doctrines of islam such as killing or attacking non muslims and yet all you can pull up is "go to pol". Pretty pathetic argument that is characteristic of the way Muslims conduct themselves.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:16:11 2015 No.6535463 File: 32 KB, 680x482, well akbared.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6535447 Ah yes, the "golden age" maymay.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:16:37 2015 No.6535468 File: 27 KB, 229x377, 1406045841877.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this is now /int/ maymays thread

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:17:02 2015 No.6535471 >>6535445 Are you saying predicate logic didn't invalidate Aristotelian logic?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:17:16 2015 No.6535472 >>6533334 >>6533333 off by 1.

Anonymous Wed May 13 13:19:12 2015 No.6535484
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>>6533267
>decently mature
Only in a good thread that is actually talking about a book or talking about an idea from a book/author while actively referencing it. Everything else is psuedo-/pol/ and a mix of other shit boards

>>6535298
>>6535202
Spotted the entry level fags who "got over their prejudices" but still have no better idea of what they're talking about than the people they believe oppose them. Islam rather explicitly criticizes other religions, it is one of the most striking and defining characteristics of the Quran. That it directly references other religions by name even and offers criticisms to them, even more striking is that these verses were recorded (Allegedly) in real time so these arguments you see are, if you give credence to the oral tradition of the Quran, exactly or ear exactly what Muhammad had said in response to someone else while in conversation with them or what he had declared at some random time. By shying away from what the book really is you yourself discredit it, because you recognize that it is in fact something bad and it needs your editing and interpretation to be acceptable to others when you tell them about it.

>>6535463
There technically was a great economic boom as they controlled the Silk road and had conquered tons of land, and this consequently allowed lots of extravagant spending and the funding of scholars and other people, so yes it was a "golden age" in relation to the rest of Islamic history.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:20:14 2015 No.6535488 File: 63 KB, 276x232, 1409718745898.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6535463

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:22:42 2015 No.6535503 >>6535383 If God is uncreated then why can't the universe be uncreated without a god? What are you like 12?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 13 13:23:30 2015 No.6535508 File: 52 KB, 720x523, 1430767872436.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6535468

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