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True or false? fact or fiction? did the Bard ever start a play with "meh" in mind?

discuss.

>> No.651258

If so, it sure as shit wasn't Hamlet.

>> No.651262

"You're still reading my epic fanfiction about Henry V? U GUISE XD"

>> No.651267
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>> No.651270

Much Ado About Nothing.

>I'll just write a play about nothing, I mean some marriage or some shit. Whatever. There are marriages in my other plays but there's like other shit going on ya know? Not here. Nothing.

>> No.651271

if it was any of em, I nominate Midsummer Night's Dream

>> No.651274

>>651270

MOAR

>> No.651275

>>651271
Read more Shakespeare. What is wrong with you?

>> No.651279

>>651271


I feel you buddy. That's my least favorite of all his work.

>> No.651287

>>651279
Oh, you've read all of Shakespeare's work have you?

>> No.651295

>>651287

...is that really such a big accomplishment? I mean, it's not like he's putting out anything new.

(tl;dr YES)

>> No.651306

>>651295

>...is that really such a big accomplishment?

For someone on /lit/ it is. That's like reading the entire Iliad & Odyssey or the Bible.

>> No.651307

>>651274

>Fuck man nobody really gets Romeo and Juliet I mean you'd think after a fucking couple hundred years or so people would realize that Benvolio orchestrated the whole deaths and shit because that nigger made off like a bandit in the end and didn't lose a thing. Meanwhile all the rest of the player haters lost their homies or money or shit but not Benvolio. He's a sly motherfucker.

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sad truth /lit/, my father thought romeo and juliet was better than hamlet
pic related, it was my face

>> No.651319

>>651295
You read all 37 plays, 5 long poems, 154 sonnets, and think Midsummer Night's Dream is the worst thing he wrote? No accounting for taste, I guess.

>> No.651323

> it's not like he's putting out anything new.

Lol'd.

>> No.651333

>>651306
Iliad and Odyssey together are a little less than 30000 lines. All of Shakespeare's plays together are about 35000 lines.

>> No.651337

>>651306
>implying you can't read those three in a couple of weeks

>> No.651345

>>651319

Now I never said "worst" I just said "least favorite." I mean, at the end of it all, all the human's are back to square one and none of the fairies really learned their lesson. Puck's final monologue was a big "fuck ya'll just wasted hours on this we didn't solve anything blaaaaaah."

what about you, anon? your least favorite?

>> No.651339

Have you read 'The Comedy of Errors?' He totally started that as meh.

>> No.651353

>>651337

wat

>>651333

muha, spot on wasn't I?

>> No.651363

>>651333
That can't be right. The Odyssey was only like 200 pages, so unless the Iliad is a lot longer, there's no way those two add up to that little less than all of Shakespeare's plays.

>> No.651366

>>651345
The point of faeries is that they never learn lessons. They have no sense of right or wrong. They are sprites that flit around in a world untouched by God, good, evil, judgement, or any moral sense at all. They have the mentality of children. They fight, they forget why they're fighting, they forgive.

There is a large fairy mythos out there, much of it written around the time of Shakespeare. They were very much in vogue at the time, and to portray them in any other way than the popular way was to betray the whole fairy canon.

I thought Winter's Tale (Twelfth Night) was awfully blah. Not my favorite, for sure.

>> No.651369

>>651363

>Google Books
>The Odyssey: 260 pages
>The Iliad: 722 pages

>> No.651370

>>651369
oh, well fuck.
that explains that.

>> No.651377

>>651363
What the shit my edition of the odyssey is 600 some pages and the illiad is the same length. Both are Fagles translations.

>> No.651380

>>651363
The Odyssey is 12110 lines in Greek. The Iliad is 15700.

The Shakespeare numbers probably are a little off. A "line" from my source counts a soliloquy as one line, not multiple. So really I have no idea, but it's considerably more than the Iliad and Odyssey combined.

>> No.651400

>>651377
the fitzgerald translation of the Odyssey I read was around 300 pages.
I have no idea how someone could stretch that to 600.

>> No.651412

>>651400
Lombardo translation has 157 pages for the Iliad, 243 for the Odyssey.

>> No.651414

>>651412

what in fuck's name

>> No.651418

>>651412
These varying lengths are just getting retarded.
So far we have a 550 page spread for the Iliad and a 350 page spread for the Odyssey.

>> No.651420

>>651380
Folger Shakespeare library says his plays add up to 118,406 lines. That's about 4 Iliad&Odyssey combos.

>> No.651423

>>651418

Let's focus on what's most important: which translation is the most accurate? If unknown, which is the most widely used?

>> No.651429

>>651418
It depends on the translator, obviously, but since the Iliad is 3000 lines longer than the Odyssey, it should be significantly longer in every translation, right? What is going on?

>> No.651430

>>651420
Okay, that makes a hell of a lot more sense.

>>651423
In the high school I went to, they used Fitzgerald, so that's probably pretty good. And from what I've seen on /lit/, Fagles is also good.

>> No.651439

>>651423
"Accurate" is too subjective a question. "Most widely used" is probably the Lattimore translation (standard verse translation since the 50's).

>> No.651682

Lotta critics seem to think Titus Andronicus is his "phonin' it in" play. I haven't read all of them, and while I kinda like Titus Andronicus, it's not that great.

And no way was Hamlet phoned in. He SHOWED UP, on time, every day, to write that shit. Believe.