/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6510101]

happy birthday pinecone

[Anonymous No.6510109]

>>6510101
I'm in Pinecone's timezone and it's not his birthday for about 58 minutes.

[Anonymous No.6510144]

>>6510109
He moved.

[Anonymous No.6510157]

Is he dead?

[Anonymous No.6510180]

>>6510109
I'm in Pinecone's limezone and it's not his citrusday for about 48 minutes.

[Anonymous No.6510193]

>>6510157
He was never alive.

[Anonymous No.6510203]

>>6510101
pynchon pls stop wishing yourself happy birthday on my phoenician fight club meetup website. it depresses me.

[Anonymous No.6510205]

>>6510157
Yes, because he was Salinger.

[Anonymous No.6510483]

Happy birthday, you goofy looking madman.

[The cats No.6510494]

Do you guys think he has a novel he's been working on since the 60's that is set to be released after his death

[Anonymous No.6510553]

>>6510101
thank mr pinecone

[Anonymous No.6510588]

I remember Pynchon or a genuine Pynchon imitator popped onto /lit/ a while ago and argued some points in The Crying of Lot 49. Didn't he post an email address for prospective students to contact him?
I and many others would love to get a recommended reading list written up by the bucktooth recluse.

[Anonymous No.6510598]

>>6510494
Yes, it's an medieval epic called "Me, Mephistopheles, and Mary Jane".

The oblomovian protagonist, Benedict "Beans" Krugerwurst is an upper class slob sentenced to death and sent on the run for a crime he may or may not have committed. Along the way he comes into contact with a guild of literary translators C.H.I.P.E.N., fledging poet Jeff "Jeffery" Shoemaker, incompetent pot-headed vikings helmed by one Bjork Khan-Abis Bodine, Simon de Saucisson, Vlad Tepes, chemist and black market pharmacist Jaun Peyote, Marco Polo, El Cid, an evil import/export distributor WANG CO with seeming unlimited influence and plans to sack the very kingdom Beans was exiled from in order to wipe it off the map and make way for the new Trans-European Speedethway, and of course Manny "Mephistoles" Meshulam, reluctant servant of Satan, corrupter of Souls and die hard fan of Gary Lewis & The Playboys.

[Anonymous No.6510602]

Yes, it's a medieval epic called "Me, Mephistopheles, and Mary Jane".

The oblomovian protagonist, Benedict "Beans" Krugerwurst is an upper class slob sentenced to death and sent on the run for a crime he may or may not have committed. Along the way he comes into contact with a guild of literary translators C.H.I.P.E.N., fledging poet Jeff "Jeffery" Shoemaker, incompetent pot-headed vikings helmed by one Bjork Khan-Abis Bodine, Simon de Saucisson, Vlad Tepes, chemist and black market pharmacist Jaun Peyote, Marco Polo, El Cid, an evil import/export distributor WANG CO with seeming unlimited influence and plans to sack the very kingdom Beans was exiled from in order to wipe it off the map and make way for the new Trans-European Speedethway, and of course Manny "Mephistoles" Meshulam, reluctant servant of Satan, corrupter of Souls and die hard fan of Gary Lewis & The Playboys.

[Anonymous No.6510603]

>>6510588
Supposedly he liked "The Lime Twig" by John Hawkes and I'm pretty sure none of you Mucker-Mafficks has so much of heard of it, let alone read it.

[Anonymous No.6510617]

>>6510602
every pynchon/dfw/maximalist fiction novel:

>the (quirky adjective) protagonist "goofy name" must do (x), and comes into contact with (quirky adjectives) "goofy name," (quirky adjectives) "goofy name," (quirky adjectives) "goofy name," all the while dealing with (quirky adjectives) "goofy name," (quirky adjectives) "goofy name," and even a (quirky adjectives) "goofy name" in alliance with (quirky adjectives) "goofy name" !!

[Anonymous No.6510638]

>>6510617
The (often funny protagonist) must (vague/ambitious/open-ended goal) and encounters (cultural stereotypes) (philosophical/political ideologies personified) and (historical figures).

You literally don't get Pynchon.

And DFW is even further from your formula. He just writes himself or friends/family/drunks he met at AA and pretty much everyone's adjectives would be "sad" rather than "quirky"

[Anonymous No.6510645]

>>6510617
Get real. You get further with the truth than this idiocy.

[Anonymous No.6510649]

>based pynchon reveals himself to us and does Q:A
>he gets fed up before the third question, throws a piss fit, and is never seen or heard from by anybody ever again
He could be our Lou Reed.

[Anonymous No.6510656]

>>6510157
I hope not. We won't know until...at least a decade afterwards so people don't go try and dig up his grave and shit. Although he won't be buried, and will be accepted into the otherworld of genius consciousness, but graveyards would be hounded and his family hounded for news etc.

I really really hope not. I want one more book from him...one fucking more.

[Anonymous No.6510659]

tfw when you will never go rhyming and crimeing your way through the ruins of a technologically advanced protoss nation attempting to unearth the secret to both their technologies and your origins while doing ungodly amounts of drugs and more damage than most military commandos

[Anonymous No.6510662]

>>6510494
He works on multiple works for a while.

Prior to being published he wrote a letter stating that he was working on 5 book that would change the face of the literary world in revolutionary fashion.

So probably. One epic 2000+ page epic that will triumph over everything, encompassing all his knowledge gained over his years of life...

Oh god please be finished before he dies...please.

[Anonymous No.6510666]

>>6510656
He's probably still got at least one more in him. Maybe two if he's feeling ambitious. But the man's pushing 80 so I'd cut him some slack. He already has a respectably sized catalog, there's no need for him to suddenly try shitting out as many books as Stephen King or something.

[Anonymous No.6510679]

>>6510666
Imagine getting to the age where you know you don't have a lot left in the way of creative energy or even time. To be at a point where budgeting your work around how much life you think you have left is a very real issue.

[Anonymous No.6510684]

>>6510679
I've always felt like I was dying. So anytime I've had a long-term goal of any kind, it's always felt like a race against the clock that I was doomed to lose.

[Anonymous No.6510696]

>>6510666
>>6510679


I just know he's been working on some HUGE since Against the Day.

Inherent Vice and Bleeding Edge were relatively Pynchon light.
He's bound to be working on something of the scale of GR and M&D. He has too much knowledge to end it on IV and BE.

There's something in the wake. If there are two then he might have them published posthumously.

[The cats No.6510708]

>>6510696
Exactly. He worked on M&D for like 25 years or more. He must have some gane changing tome for us remaining.

[Anonymous No.6510725]

>>6510662
>One epic 2000+ page epic
And it's so great that it defies all binding, being way to thick for paperback format

Ideally, Python would have a book exactly twice as long as Infinite Jest, to btfo DFW further

[Anonymous No.6510739]

>>6510725
>Python would have a book exactly twice as long as Infinite Jest, to btfo DFW further

>implying Pynchon wastes a second even thinking about DFW
>implying DFW is significant enough to care to BTFO

[Anonymous No.6510765]

>>6510739
Didn't Pynchon have a small commentary in some short interview type thing where he talked about DFW, praised him, and talked about how he had no idea what the fuck people where talking about when they called them post-modernists? Or did I imagine that?

[Anonymous No.6510787]

>>6510765
>Pynchon
>interview

Not only did you imagine that, you should slap yourself in the face for even typing it.

[Anonymous No.6510806]

>>6510787
Then it was in a letter which he has written several.

[Anonymous No.6510880]

>>6510806
Oh, all right. Sounds legit.

Just one last thing though--can I get you to cite a source?

I hate to be a pest about the issue, but I frankly find it unbelievably difficult to accept that Pynchon cares one way or the other about someone who is as removed from the real deal as DFW is.

[Anonymous No.6510911]

>>6510180
underrated post

[Anonymous No.6510937]

"‘It’s clearer now,’ he said, rather formal. 'A few months ago it got quite cloudy. You see, in spring, when the dandelions begin to bloom again, the wine goes through a fermentation. As if they remembered.’
No, thought Oedipa, sad. As if their home cemetery in some way still did exist, in a land where you could somehow walk, and not need the East San Narciso Freeway, and bones still could rest in peace, nourishing ghosts of dandelions, no one to plow them up. As if the dead really do persist, even in a bottle of wine."

I'm reading the Crying of Lot 49 on acid right now and I just want to thank Pynchon for this godly prose.

[Anonymous No.6510943]

>>6510880
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GuIBZqarGqGcKfO9Bq3JOnUweRmKOxh05nkkAomHt9o/edit

[Anonymous No.6510944]

>>6510937
First bones, now their dandelions.

[Anonymous No.6510946]

>>6510937
Read Gravity's Rainbow on shrooms next. Shrooms rather than acid because they're more phallic and therefore thematically appropriate.

[Anonymous No.6510947]

>>6510946

good point. Acid lasts a lot longer though, and GR is one hell of a read.

[Anonymous No.6510950]

>>6510943
Are you joking around? Some idiot from 4chan wrote this. It's obvious.

[Anonymous No.6510957]

>>6510943
The source this is "recovered" from not existing makes this hard to accept. Too much unclear about it for me to say it actually is Pynchon.

[Anonymous No.6510963]

>>6510943
this is an admitted fake

[Anonymous No.6510971]

>>6510765
>>6510787
>>6510806
>>6510880
>>6510943
>>6510950

reading this comment trail is sort of like a Pynchon novel in its own way.

[Anonymous No.6510973]

>>6510943
I don't think pinecone would misspell COINTELPRO as COINPRO.

[Anonymous No.6510989]

>>6510957
>>6510963
For fuck's sake, read it. It's ridiculous to even think Pynchon bothered to write this.

> I was filled with admiration for David’s work, even if he did come to resemble Axl Rose towards the end, both in physical appearance and obsessive perfectionism...

It's a joke.

[Anonymous No.6511013]

>>6510989
Yeah. Among other things, it refers way too much to Pinecone's work to be him. It's like the author was desperately trying to associate themselves with him/trying to convince the reader by constantly making references to his stuff.

[Anonymous No.6511032]

>>6511013
That and the pretentious disdain for things like the word postmodernism and academics reeked of something some random kid from the internet would write.

[Anonymous No.6511136]

>>6510943
Thomas here, I didn't write that, nice try friendo

[Anonymous No.6511139]

>>6510943
this is a pretty decent fake. it tries too hard with references, and Pynchon would never volunteer a comparison between Salinger's reclusiveness and his own, but the style is often spot on. whoever wrote this fake is pretty talented in their own right.

[Anonymous No.6511530]

>>6510937
Hello there, Mucho.

[Anonymous No.6511580]

I have a bud who studied together with Pynch's son in the same course. As far as he is concerned, there is no plan for another book. Apparently Pynchon is just watching cartoons and smoking weed these days.

[Anonymous No.6511617]

>>6511580
> he's not writing a provocative tell-all memoir about his life as a rogue CIA agent turned brilliant 20th century novelist

Of course his son would say that.

[Anonymous No.6511623]

So guys, how about it?

[Anonymous No.6511637]

>>6511623
I'm not against it. Some autist did that by himself for Mason & Dixon. One page a day, deciphering as much as he could about it.

There's a pdf of it and it's a great resource for M&D.

[Anonymous No.6511640]

>>6511637
Will you have anything against the day we do it?

[Anonymous No.6511647]

>>6510205
Exactly. Why don't we have access to Salinger's body of work? Because they were all Pinecone stories written by JD Salinger because Pinecone is the literary equivalent of the dread pirate Roberts

[Anonymous No.6511652]

>>6510765
I saw that too. Yeah he wrote a sort of article after Wallace died and went over similarities and differences in their styles

[Anonymous No.6511653]

>>6511640
I'm ashamed to admit this made me laugh

>>6511637
got a link?

[Anonymous No.6511654]

>>6511653
Pretty sure it's on that Pynchon wiki.

[Anonymous No.6511714]

>>6511623
Two pages is too much for a day but i'm in

[Anonymous No.6511841]

>>6510180

[Anonymous No.6511879]

>>6511714
But then it will take two years or more.

[Anonymous No.6511929]

>>6510588
When was this? Any screens? I wanna email the guy

[Anonymous No.6511942]

>>6510180
kek/10

[Anonymous No.6511946]

>>6511580
>implying that isn't Pynchon's natural work regime

[Anonymous No.6511975]

>>6511929
>>/lit/thread/S667543

[Anonymous No.6512015]

>>6511975
Again, you don't need to be Pinecone to know about at least a couple of Pinecone approved books.

There's

Been Down So Long It Looks Like Up To Me (written by a friend of his from Cornell, Pinecone wrote the intro to the penguin edition)

and

The Lime Twig

[Anonymous No.6512017]

>>6511975
Thank you friend

[Anonymous No.6512035]

>>6512015
Just to give you an idea of how close they were, Pinecone dedicated Gravity's Rainbow to that guy.

[Anonymous No.6512049]

>>6512035
And "that guy" wrote a about for V. cleverly titled "V."

[Anonymous No.6512052]

>>6510603

I read The Cannibal the other month and have to say that Pynchon definitely was influenced by Hawkes' strange sentence structure where often at the end of clauses the verb would be abruptly placed (and other oddities).

[Anonymous No.6512075]

>>6512052
Postmodern literature in general owes a huge debt to Hawkes. It's a shame that he isn't widely read.

[Anonymous No.6512085]

>>6512075

Preach.

[Anonymous No.6512093]

>>6512075
Added to the list.

[Anonymous No.6512102]

>>6511623
I can only read a paragraph a day before I have to devote to my prayers.

[Anonymous No.6512105]

>>6512015
Don't forget Catch-22 and 1984.

[Anonymous No.6512122]

>>6512093
>>6512075
>>6512052

I don't know, this review is pretty harsh.

[Anonymous No.6512123]

>>6512015
Also On The Road, and Warlock

[Anonymous No.6512195]

>>6512122
I wouldn't dismiss him because some random faggot either didn't understand his work or conflated trying too hard with actually being hard.

I guarantee you this same reviewer would've probably said something similar about Gravity's Rainbow.

[Anonymous No.6512253]

>>6512122
>Hawkes
>Trying to be literary

Probably one of the most uninformed, pseudo-intellectual things anyone could say about him. The main thing Hawkes was known for was DISREGARDING the accepted conventions of literature and writing the way he wanted to. He wasn't trying to impress anyone.

[Anonymous No.6512811]

i'm going to Cornell 4 u pinecone :')

[Anonymous No.6512830]

>>6512015
also
Marge Piercy, Dance the Eagle to Sleep
Don DeLillo, Mao II
Peter Matthiessen, Far Tortuga
Steve Erickson, Days Between Stations
Jim Dodge, Stone Junction
Rudolph Wurlitzer, Nog
James Hillman and Michael Ventura, We've Had A Hundred Years of Psycho Therapy And The World's Getting Worse
George Saunders, Civilwarland in Bad Decline : Stories and a Novella

and of course, Love in the Time of Cholera

[Anonymous No.6512847]

i am reading gravity's rainbow for the first time and working on a theory that pirate prentice and slothrop kind of play like opposites in a kind of analouge to the new testament way. where prentice is kind of like the stand in for pontious pilate. because there names sound similar and it appears that pirate kind of serves darker higher powers (analogous to the roman empire or jewish money power or what ever "power that be" that you wish") and slothrop taking the form of a messiah or saviour like jesus or batman. i could be wrong it was just an idea that i had. love you pinecone

[Anonymous No.6512871]

>>6512122
>Emperor's Clothes argument

[Anonymous No.6512883]

>>6511580
Yeah, fuck off

[Anonymous No.6512897]

>>6512035
>open GR
>To Richard Fariña
>tfw