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Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 10:52:28 No.6493457 [Reply] [Original]

How the fuck does Nietzsche attract so many -uneducated- people like your typical fedora?
I don't get it, I just started reading Human, All Too Human in German and the first chapter on metaphysics is really incomprehensible, -boring- and not interesting to the majority of people.

I haven't read the chapter on morals and other stuff.
Is Nietzsche's other stuff just much more accessible and ''cooler''?

I can't picture some 18 year old reading Nietzsche on metaphysics.

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 10:54:46 No.6493465

I don't think people care about his metaphysics that much. He seems like he would be a terrible metaphysician, from what I've read of him, and the concept of the will to power as ontologically universal seems a bit unacceptable to me. Schopenhauer's will to live seems more real to me. But even those concepts are barely metaphysical.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 10:57:22 No.6493467 I dunno, I guess people like the brevity of the aphorisms and post them on their Facebook wall. 'And you -- have you already made a hurdy-gurdy song of it?'

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:06:42 No.6493492 Only his quotes are accessible because they are controversial, then it goes downhill.

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:07:34 No.6493496

Edgist fedoras hear the word "nihilism", look it up on Google to see what it is, read about it being the ultimate form of not believing in God, because theyre Edgist fedoras they like it, attribute it to Nietzchzhhschze, and BAM Nietzchzhhschze is suddenly their favorite philosopher.

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:09:59 No.6493504

>>6493457
you're right about how uninspiring his metaphysical writing is, but it also represents the smallest subtopic of nietzsche's mature work. human all too human is obv an early nietzsche book; carry your level of skepticism through the rest of his writing and see how you feel. that's not an accusatory challenge by any means, but instead an invitation to remain resistant while open to his ideas. i've found that to be the most fruitful approach to his work, as it allows for you to be the center of his philosophical project.

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:11:52 No.6493514

>>6493457
to be honest I was fascinated with Nietzsche.

He was quite large factor that lead to my decision to go to the gym and study Philosophy as well as a science. His works were also a stepping stone for me to traditionalism and also the first redpill towards /pol/, disregarding he would've hated /pol/.

My life would've been quite different if I didn't read "Genealogy of Morality"

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:13:17 No.6493518 File: 30 KB, 500x500, 1421241248374.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6493514 >/pol/

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:14:42 No.6493524

>>6493514
I'd also add that most teens haven't read him.
And those who did wanted just some ammunition for Christian bashing.

Some see more in his works, others are then satisfied, then there are some who begin to despise him.

Then there are edgy teens who read them because they once heard of nihilism.

It's not accessible, but the focus of his philosophy does interest fedora type guys.

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:14:55 No.6493526

Thus Spoke Zarathustra is fairly accessible. Beyond Good and Evil is, too, if you read summaries of nearly everything he discusses in it beforehand. And, basically, he's not too bad overall once you're used to reading philosophy. It's just that sometimes you won't know what the fuck he's talking about, like how I struggle with Schopenhauer when's talking about Kant. But an intelligent layperson can, in fact, read Nietzsche without much difficulty.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:16:31 No.6493530 File: 80 KB, 480x686, 11091318_823982837690696_1304367981022233497_n.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6493518 >implying /pol/ was ever wrong. >not even being a neoreactionary renaissance man kekkidy-bip-bop

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:17:15 No.6493533 >>6493530 /pol/ is wrong most of the time unless they state the obvious and pat themselves on the back because they figured out that SJWism is nonsense or that bankers run the world.

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:23:59 No.6493560

I hate to be the cynical asshole here, but I can pretty much guarantee that a majority of these people haven't read a full book of his, and if they have, they didn't pay attention while reading it.

Don't forget that there are people who post on a literature board *daily* who don't read much, if at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:24:31 No.6493562 File: 63 KB, 399x600, Nietzsche 2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6493514 >Nietzsche >first redpill towards /pol/ You've failed to understand Nietzsche's philosophy

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:24:58 No.6493564

I don't know. I readed Genealogy of the morals, and even if it did changed me a lot (I started doing more things for my own good, like gym, socializing, etc.), in the end I kept being close to the original moral codes from Stoicism, Platonism, etc.

It just feels better to try to be just than exerting your power over others. I just find it more aesthetic and noble

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:26:22 No.6493571 File: 1.92 MB, 220x190, 1361641994038.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6493564 >readed

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:27:09 No.6493574 >>6493514 >>6493564 What the hell does Genealogy of Morals have to do with going to the gym?

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:29:17 No.6493584

>>6493564

You're supposed to exert power over yourself: the will to power turned inward is what's most noble, according to Nietzsche (i.e. self-control and self-mastery); although a consequence of that, I suppose, may be that you hold power over others. But that's not to be the primary aim.

For other people, though--the non-creative, non-artistic types--I guess he did say that it's better for them to dominate and be strong-willed over others than to be meek and submissive; but that's not the 'higher' type, it's just preferable over slave-morality.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:31:23 No.6493594 >>6493574 Nothing, just some examples that what you read make you do unrelated things about it. My point is that Nietzsche makes you motivated to do shit, regarded if it's pathetic for others or not.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:34:21 No.6493602 >>6493584 >the will to power turned inward is what's most noble, according to Nietzsche (i.e. self-control and self-mastery) Doesn't he spend an entire essay ripping into this mentality (the mentality of asceticism)?

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:34:45 No.6493604

>>6493562
And you failed to read my post. I said he wouldn't like /pol/.

And yet reading him inspired me to look further. I never said I agree with Nietzsche. I do not. I think his Philosophy is valuable, but he was likely embittered and would have ended hating everyone and every place if he just staid there long enough.

Through my own studies I have concluded to agree with /pol/ and right wing Philosophies. And it was Nietzsche who started it, may he like it or not.

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:36:52 No.6493610

It's because Nietzsche is the perfect fedora faggot idol
>Yeah! will to power! I am an uberman, I'm smarter than all those sheep just you wait
>Stupid church sucks! stupid mom doesn't know it's just suppressing my greatness
>Who cares if he influenced Hitler? I'm not scared, I'm a tough free-thinker who looks beyond good and evil
>There isn't even a god, why is everybody so dumb. god is deal

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:37:47 No.6493615 >>6493610 Yeah but how do people come to this conclusion without reading him? As I said Nietzsche isn't exactly an accessible read.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:48:08 No.6493654 >>6493615 Its not, so they just read articles or wiki pages that summarize it easily.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:50:05 No.6493656 >>6493496 Can confirm, was once an edgy 13 year old. I have since reformed.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:50:13 No.6493657 >>6493610 To be fair, there's nothing particularly national-socalist about Nietzsche, is there? I mean there's nothing that he hated more than German nationalism and anti-semitism.

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:51:37 No.6493668

>>6493602
Self-mastery is different from self-domination or whatever it would be called when you deny all instincts. On a related note remember that hedonism is a morality as well. For Nietzsche liberty must be liberty towards something rather than from something so it's a matter of choosing what you want to strive for. Neither depravity nor denial can lead to the Ubermensch's overcoming of man, only having an artistic distance (different from ascetic distance) towards passions and the body, meaning striving for greatness without becoming its martyr.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:53:44 No.6493674 >>6493602 You can gain mastery over yourself in a creative sense without denying or suppressing your natural urges/instincts. Basically, it's that you should sublimate your will to power into something more noble than raw conquest.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:54:45 No.6493676 Nobody here actually reads Philosophy. We just use Wikipedia

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 11:57:27 No.6493688

>>6493574
Not so much the Genealogy, but Don't Spank Zarathustra has plenty of praise for the body and against its deniars. His other works (Ecce Homo for instance) also describe a connection between living an active lifestyle and thinking in a particular way. It's about admiting that thinking isn't primordial, but rather a misterious process.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 12:03:49 No.6493716 >>6493688 Activity for Nietzsche doesn't mean physical activity, per se..

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 12:05:20 No.6493724

>>6493457
>I haven't read the chapter on morals and other stuff.
Slave vs master morality is very interesting. I keep seeing ways in which slave morality is drilled into children (movies for children, for example). It definitely changed the way I see morality now.

Then Stirner came along and completely blew up morality for me.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 12:06:37 No.6493730 >>6493688 I haven't read Zarathustra, but in GoM he does reference the physiological connections to morality a lot. I can't tel if he's referring there to behavioral conditioning, physical weakness, the chemicals in the brain or what.

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 12:07:04 No.6493732

>>6493457
>I can't picture some 18 year old reading Nietzsche on metaphysics

That's because you overestimate yourself and underestimate others. Nietzsche can be ambiguous, to be sure, but he's far less pedantic and far more entertaining than most philosophers. So it makes sense that he would become popular.

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 12:07:49 No.6493735

>>6493724
Haven't read Stirner yet, what's so mind-blowing?
It seems like Stirner just realized that morality is based on psychological egoism, IE every moral doctrine is just there so individuals have it good.
Is this a good understanding of Stirner?
If yes, this is really really basic stuff you should have come up with when you were 15.
If not, disregard my post.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 12:08:48 No.6493741 >>6493724 I just don't get what N expects to happen with a culture of immoralists other than violent sociopathy and narcissism. Unless he thinks immoralists should have an ethics.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 12:10:27 No.6493743 >>6493533 It's not obvious to many politicians. Or it is, but they want the juicy retirement fund so much they abandon proper politics to appease the loudest herd.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 12:14:25 No.6493761 >>6493743 >It's not obvious to many politicians And gullible isn't in the dictionary.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 12:28:57 No.6493818 File: 26 KB, 325x300, hazel.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] An acquaintance of mine got a "God is dead" tattoo and said it basically means "fuck your God." Is he correct?

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 12:31:44 No.6493828 >>6493818 no he should read the passage the quote is taken from. its not spiteful atheism. there is much more to it. even absent a reading of the entire text, the clause right after it adds more depth: "god is dead, and we have killed him"

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 12:36:09 No.6493852 ITT: Nobody read Nietzsche

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 12:40:25 No.6493868 >>6493676 This

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 12:46:36 No.6493900 >>6493818 Well, depends if means to be quoting Nietzsche or not. If he just thinks the phrase is cool he can appropriate it and use it mean w/e he wants. Either way he's sounds like an unpleasant person.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 12:47:22 No.6493908 >>6493852 But a couple people (myself included) very clearly did.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 12:50:47 No.6493921 >>6493818 Nietzsche actually liked abrahamic god, he disliked how christianity was in the modern times

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 12:52:33 No.6493926 >>6493828 >its not spiteful atheism Actually, it is. Is it so beyond you that it had dual-meaning?

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 13:03:16 No.6493974 >>6493457 because young adults start picking up nihilism and associate it with Nietzsche. They probably know some of his basic concepts but as a whole they totally misunderstand him. These people are just spooks aren't they?

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 13:04:43 No.6493981 >>6493457 his books should come with an absurd hair color and a bunch of libtard bumper stickers.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 13:29:51 No.6494083 >>6493457 >incomprehensible >boring >not interesting I started reading nietzsche at 18 and underestand it without problem. If you cant get it dont BITCH about it, study harder you dumbass

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 13:32:03 No.6494101 >>6493676 nobody but the philisophy college students and patrician you mean

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 13:59:28 No.6494251 File: 23 KB, 300x280, For you.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6493457

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 14:10:17 No.6494296 >>6493492 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn676-fLq7I

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 14:37:16 No.6494389 >>6493921 >in the modern times If the modern times means The Sermon on the Mount onwards, sure.

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 15:17:15 No.6494542

>>6493730
They're analogies for the most part, however the bodily feelings he's describing are actual comparisons between how you feel in different contexts: it feels good to have eaten well, it feels just as satisfying to believe that you're better than someone, etc.

>>6493716
I don't mean the active-reactive distinction if that's what you mean. Nietzsche did his thinking while walking for hours.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 15:20:50 No.6494552 >>6493741 Why wouldn't they have ethics? It's not necessarily morality if it's merely contractual.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 15:26:00 No.6494565 >>6493574 COME, LET ME SHOW YOU THE OVERMAN: HE'S OVER THERE, BY THE SQUAT RACK WITH THE PROTEIN SHAKER

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 15:28:09 No.6494576

>>6493688

are you referencing the chapters 'on the deniers of the body'? I don't think that leads specifically to going to the gym, m8. i mean it's 100% open to interpretation but i always took away 'embrace your earthliness' from that chapter, as opposed to this original-sin, body-shaming mentality of Christianity, which he abhorred.

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 16:40:19 No.6494858

>>6494576
Not just that, Nietzsche had this whole thing about embodied reason (or however it's called). I can't remember exactly were I read it (it might have been in TSZ). Also, he was extremely concerned with bodily feelings and bodily health (he criticized women for holding back civilization as bad cooks). If you think going to the gym doesn't mean taking care of the body then you probably think it as a vain or even damaging ("muh gains") activity.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 16:42:14 No.6494870 >>6493457 >I can't picture some 18 year old reading Nietzsche on metaphysics. That's because no one reads metaphysics these days. >metaphysics >relevant

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 16:44:47 No.6494879 they his antics, his flippant writing style (in some works), and his 'god is dead' quote while not understanding the context it's all lowest common denomantor reputation

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 16:44:57 No.6494880 "Go away mom, I'm an Ubermensch, God is Dead" It's because they don't know how to read.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 16:50:46 No.6494898 >>6494870 even about 50% of analytics aren't too stupid to study metaphysics. the best thinkers are all metaphysicians for a reason.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 17:11:50 No.6495001 Implying the 18 year olds who proclaim their affinity with Nietzsche have read anything by him other than Goodreads quotes

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 18:18:02 No.6495309 >>6494251 Why would you make this?

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 20:45:49 No.6496009 >>6493457 >Nietzsche >Metaphysics

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 20:47:46 No.6496018 >>6493818 The end of metaphysics

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 20:55:56 No.6496048 >>6493457 Fedoras think they like Nietzsche because hurr durr God is dead, but most of them have never seriously read him.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 20:58:41 No.6496052 >>6493584 No what the fuck man? He says that the will to power turned inwards is a malady of those who cannot truly live out their will to power.

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 21:04:27 No.6496077

Typical fedora edgy shit, mainly.

But once you get past GOTT IST TOT, reading Nietzsche is pretty interesting if you're depressive or struggling to get back your lust towards life.

If you read Nietzsche expecting to see some metaphysical shit, you're doing it wrong. Nietzsche is much more concerned with humanity, the human body, health and the will to power than metaphysical questions. His main focus is on morality and human pleasure. He tried to bring about a renewal of the hedonistic philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 21:04:44 No.6496079 >>6496052 Wouldn't you agree that will to power exerted outward requires a strong inner spirit?

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 21:07:34 No.6496091 >>6496079 The spirit becomes strong through acting in the world, not by masturbation.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 21:20:25 No.6496139 >>6496091 Isn't the whole point of reading Nietzsche to get off your ass and start improving yourself? The masturbation is what enables you to take on the outside world.

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 21:23:10 No.6496146

Every teenage girl ever saw that little aphorism "you must have chaos inside you to give birth to a dancing star" and they thought it related so well to them because they just got dumped and they're going crazy but they're still daddy's little princess somewhere deep inside and ever since that day whenever it was brought up in conversation they casually mentioned Nietzche as one of their favourite authors because they wanted to seem deep and mysterious.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 21:29:05 No.6496166 >>6493657 You're right. Just about the entirety of Nazi doctrine was based on a willful misinterpretation of his work by his sister.

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 21:29:46 No.6496168

>>6496091
Going to the gym and reading is really great of course, but if you're not pushing out against a world that constrains you you're not really doing what Nietzsche is suggesting.

So it depends, a lot of self-help people just manage to become even bigger plebs by conforming even more to society's standards.

Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 22:10:20 No.6496330

>>6493741

>Are we immoralists harming virtue? No more than anarchists harm
princes. Only because the latter are shot at do they once more sit securely on their
thrones. Moral: morality must be shot at.

> Every naturalism in morality — that is,
every healthy morality — is dominated by an instinct of life, some commandment of
life is fulfilled by a determinate canon of "shalt" and "shalt not"; some inhibition and
hostile element on the path of life is thus removed.

Pro tip: facile readings of Nietzsche are usually wrong. Even thinking he's advocating the creation of a specific political community is totally missing the point; Nietzsche's project is essentially critical, literary, and psychological (despite occasional departures into other subject matter).

We find consistent praise throughout Nietzsche works for the moral code of the new testament and to say he's seriously 'arguing against morality' in the literal sense is to reveal onesself as illiterate. When he talks about being against morality he means the whole Christian culture of hyper-moralizing and shaming and witch hunts and the general mindset of fear all that crap is coming from.

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 22:11:28 No.6496337 >>6496330 *OLD testament

>>	Anonymous Mon, May 4, 2015 22:13:25 No.6496348 >>6496052 See: >>6493674 The will to power turned inward creatively, not in an ascetic sense.

Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 01:20:25 No.6497075

i'm convinced nietzsche's philosophy attracts mostly damaged people with weak senses of self who need some mythology to empower themselves against others, "the herd", in order to feel a modicum of peace in their own minds. i thoroughly dislike his polemics and only appreciate it as signpost of what not to believe, and how not to live.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 01:35:08 No.6497116 >>6493716 He literally says that the sedentary life style is bad for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 01:41:41 No.6497133 File: 593 KB, 900x900, Nietzsche1871[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >not being a free spirit >not transvaluating all values >not saying yes to life

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 01:50:06 No.6497153 >>6497075 Would you mind expounding a bit? What is a better way to live?

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 01:50:35 No.6497155 >>6493457 I guarantee that the majority of Nietzsche "fans" haven't read a single one of his books, just a bunch of out-of-context quotes circulating on [insert frequented website].

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 02:01:32 No.6497173 >>6497075 I'm fairly certain you're the person you're trying to criticize.

Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 02:10:50 No.6497190

>>6497153
it's not how i wish to live (or more specifically, not how i would wish to define the terms my existence. i don't see life as a competition or game, nor others as enemies. i don't think life is a question in need of an answer, and i don't trust anyone who is so keen on providing one for me. but if it is, i prefer to live with the mystery of that question, but i do know when something stinks, and his ideas reek to me.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 02:12:10 No.6497193 >>6494870 >>6494898 Except Metaphysics is making an comeback in Analytic philosophy, google "Analytic metaphysics"

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 02:18:43 No.6497203 >>6493514 Le Red Pill

>>	Foucault !!Q8GwVRjnOFz Tue, May 5, 2015 02:19:45 No.6497205 File: 29 KB, 450x375, 9da6e7f4332e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6493514

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 02:27:58 No.6497214 File: 53 KB, 387x371, 1429205486993.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6493514 Now read Stirner

>>	Foucault !!Q8GwVRjnOFz Tue, May 5, 2015 02:29:20 No.6497218 >>6497214 Stirner e l f i s h

Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 02:29:44 No.6497219

>>6493457
most uneducated people believe in a god of some sort
Neitzsche said that thing about god being dead . Most of the time it's take out of context and misinterpreted . To most of the people he's just someone who insulted their believes . I don't think that most people that heard of Neitzsche know much about him nor have read his works.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 02:35:44 No.6497228 >>6497219 Most people are shallow-minded and not suited for a deep, profound thinker like Nietzsche.

>>	Foucault !!Q8GwVRjnOFz Tue, May 5, 2015 02:38:22 No.6497232 File: 134 KB, 675x495, 1429001059899.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6497228 >deep, profound thinker like Nietzsche.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 02:45:09 No.6497242 >>6497214 Will do. I somehow never got around him, despite seeing him mentioned quite often here.

Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 02:57:51 No.6497262
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>>6493514
>/pol/
>right wing philosophies aren't mainstream at the moment
>therefore they're correct
>believing ideology has to fall on a false dichotomy

Get your fucking act together man, are you still 14?

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 04:39:43 No.6497461 >>6493457 he has a rep. as being dangerous. these teenages are crap edgemasters.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 05:04:43 No.6497507 >>6497232 Where do you think Foucault got the idea of genealogy from?

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 05:11:00 No.6497518 >>6497232 look I don't love either of em but Foucault is basically just Nietzsche updated for the late 20th century and I don't get why you'd slag on your namesake's biggest influence

Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 06:03:49 No.6497574
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Whilst it's hard to make a deep reading of Nietzsche in the sense that it takes a lot of reading and thinking to get what he's actually saying, it's _very_ easy to make a shallow reading and assume you know it all.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 06:11:09 No.6497580 >>6497262 >right wing philosophies aren't mainstream at the moment >therefore they're correct Why do you attempt this weak go at intentionally twisted logic? And then this nice ad hominem at the end. Is this /lit/ or tumblr?

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 06:15:33 No.6497582 File: 34 KB, 450x277, u screwball.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6493496 it's pronounced nitch

Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 06:33:52 No.6497609

>>6493610
I read Zarathustra as a humorous work. He's tearing strips off anti-semitism, misogyny, moral vanity while simaultaneously praising individualism before it was really the supreme value it later became.
Nietzsche, De Sade and Rand are used by simpletons to encourage peace of mind in crime. It's okay to be a douche, it's actually a true expression of your full potential.
RRRRRRiiiiight.
Only good thing i can say about Nietzsche is he never scorned the success he did not get.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 07:09:52 No.6497663 >>6497580 That's not an ad hominem. Ad hominem doesn't mean "anything that offends you".

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 09:57:45 No.6497958 >>6497582 Im preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeett sure its pronounced Niezechhchzhhcheczhghzhgchechzhcehvhzce- ayy

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 10:09:28 No.6497989 >>6497958 That's the patrician way of saying it. "Nitch" is for plebians who can't pronounce 10 different sounds at once.

Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 10:11:02 No.6497995

Because of his aphorisms, that are often misinterpreted by those who never actually read his books.
Fedora and plebs are unable to comprehend a complete thought, they are satisfied with small doses of ideas, so they read his quotes only without understanding the full context.

Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 12:32:48 No.6498433

>>6493735
>You despise the egoist because he puts the spiritual in the background as compared with the personal, and has his eyes on himself where you would like to see him act to favor an idea. The distinction between you is that he makes himself the central point, but you the spirit; or that you cut your identity in two and exalt your "proper self," the spirit, to be ruler of the paltrier remainder, while he will hear nothing of this cutting in two, and pursues spiritual and material interests just as he pleases. You think, to be sure, that you are falling foul of those only who enter into no spiritual interest at all, but in fact you curse at everybody who does not look on the spiritual interest as his "true and highest" interest. You carry your knightly service for this beauty so far that you affirm her to be the only beauty of the world. You live not to yourself, but to your spirit and to what is the spirit's—i. e. ideas.

>As the spirit exists only in its creating of the spiritual, let us take a look about us for its first creation. If only it has accomplished this, there follows thenceforth a natural propagation of creations, as according to the myth only the first human beings needed to be created, the rest of the race propagating of itself. The first creation, on the other hand, must come forth "out of nothing,"—i. e., the spirit has toward its realization nothing but itself, or rather it has not yet even itself, but must create itself; hence its first creation is itself, the spirit. Mystical as this sounds, we yet go through it as an every-day experience. Are you a thinking being before you think? In creating the first thought you create yourself, the thinking one; for you do not think before you think a thought, i. e. have a thought. Is it not your singing that first makes you a singer, your talking that makes you a talker? Now, so too it is the production of the spiritual that first makes you a spirit.
-Max Stirner

It's not just for morality. I'm doing him an injustice by providing an exert but as you can see he tries to destroy or "turn you back into your physical grounded self" when the idea of wanting to latch onto spiritness tantalises you at deeper and deeper levels of rhetoric.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 13:07:29 No.6498555 >>6497580 Go back to /pol/, you are embarrassing yourself.

Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 13:47:59 No.6498728

>>6493926
No it isn't, because the madman is speaking to atheists and making them realize how serious the absence of God is. it's not a statement of atheism, it's a Holderlinian pronouncement of nihilism.

>>6496077
>tried to renew hedonistic philosophy
tope, he's closer to Aristotle's ethics than hedonism

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 19:32:54 No.6500489 >>6493514 9/10 b8 for a moment you had me

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 19:35:31 No.6500500 >>6493564 >exerting your power over others You dope, that's just master morality, which is a discrete concept from Clark Kent.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 19:40:21 No.6500520 >>6493457 Hint: Those kinds of people haven't actually read Nietzsche beyond his Wikipedia page.

Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 19:50:49 No.6500556

>Gott ist tod!!
>lol this Nietzsche guy really understands my petty vendetta against an imaginary sky man
>oh cool check out all these aphorisms; they'll look great on my Facebook and reddit profiles
>lol yeah fuck the man amirite
>hey this Wikipedia page on nihilism mentioned Nietzsche in passing he must have been a nihilist solipsist, just like me!
>fuck off mom I'm busy being Superman

It's not hard. Nietzsche has relatively fluid prose in most of his work, the "GOD IS DEAD" quote is reposted endlessly by fedoracores who haven't actually read the Faggot Science, his aphorisms are designed specifically to he superficially quotable, for reasons unknown he's associated with grimdark nihilism by retards, and Nietzsche himself was kind of an edgy gadfly on purpose, even if he was being semi-ironic, it attracts legitimate edgelords to him like flies to dung.

Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 22:49:52 No.6501357

>>6493457
Hipster contrarian right-wing teens dig him because he has a dozen or so one liners that can easily be fitted to Twitter's character limit or as a profile tagline to look all contrarian and cool with.

That said, what I personally don't get is why there are people who claim to read and love him, yet live in a way more akin to the last man.

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 23:04:45 No.6501404 >>6495309 because you didn't

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 23:16:18 No.6501454 File: 130 KB, 690x667, NietzscheonSJW4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6493457 >So hard, so incomprehensible, so aphorism, so misread

>>	Anonymous Tue, May 5, 2015 23:23:12 No.6501490 File: 250 KB, 523x372, gayestmanonearth.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6501357 >hipster >right-wing

Anonymous Wed, May 6, 2015 05:49:12 No.6502484
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>using the work of some ancient douche to understand aspects that are more fruitfully explained by more recent biologists and anthropologists
I read Schnitzel once and it was mostly just him borderline hysterically ranting about how others should live their lives while reminding that everyone should live as they please.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 6, 2015 05:50:32 No.6502489 >>6501490 Most hipsters are right-wing. Have you ever met any genuine city-hipsters? Elitistic and liberal as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 6, 2015 09:34:32 No.6502988 >>6502489 >elitism is "right wing" Oh my God.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 6, 2015 09:42:55 No.6503013 >>6502988 It is, only filthy leninists think otherwise

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 6, 2015 09:43:45 No.6503017 >>6502988 Leftism means an orientation that seeks to benefit the workers' class. Rightism means an orientation that seeks to benefit the few.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 6, 2015 10:26:54 No.6503118 >>6503017 Yes, radical feminism sure benefits 100% of the working class.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 6, 2015 10:30:08 No.6503129 >>6503118 Radical feminism is authoritarian, but it generally has leftist ideas within it when it comes to economic matters.

>>	Hamlet !!PVWzrEOBu3b Wed, May 6, 2015 10:51:16 No.6503185 >>6502988 Keep up, mate. Rightism is anything that delays communism or reinforces capitalism, excepting accelerationism which remains leftwing thanks to tricky poststructuralist magics.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 6, 2015 13:55:24 No.6503818 >>6503129 Yeah, and they also eat food. That makes eating feministic.

>>	Anonymous Wed, May 6, 2015 16:23:57 No.6504355 Because of www.wikipedia.org

Anonymous Wed, May 6, 2015 16:29:33 No.6504377

>>6503017
The summary I've always liked is leftism sees people as products of influences beyond their control (and thus tries to even out the playing field) whereas rightism sees people as individual Egos in control of their own destiny (so bootstraps).

Anonymous Wed, May 6, 2015 20:53:23 No.6505360

>>6493530
"Some men turn to a fiction, calling it their past, so that new excuses may arise for military aggression."

Just had to fix that for the dullards who probably haven't read an actual history book.

>muh Vikings
>muh crusades
>muh white heritage

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2015 01:12:54 No.6506262 >>6493526 Currently reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra, as an edgy 18 year old I can confirm it is fairly accesible

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2015 01:22:33 No.6506283 >>6493514 Honest to god people like you are a disgrace to Nietzsche's philosophy.

>>	Lawyer Thu, May 7, 2015 01:39:31 No.6506322 Your presumption that they are uneducated is evidence of a deeper bigotry within your psyche.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2015 11:34:33 No.6507613 zarathustra's pomposity appeals to your average <25 year old fedora >lol stupid saint >no one is wiser than me

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2015 11:53:28 No.6507691 >>6493457 I got into him when I [used to be] a fedora because I played Xenosaga and the subtitle of the game was the title of on one of his books. So long story short, blame anime.

>>	Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2015 12:04:33 No.6507724 >>6503017 pure ideology

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2015 20:03:47 No.6509313

>>6502988
It's closer to the right than the left, because it implies an adherence to inequality between yourself and that which you deem beneath you. Most hipsters do this, even liberals, albeit unconsciously. They are hypocrites and often very ignorant of themselves but they are nonetheless more right-wing by nature than they are left-wing.

Anonymous Thu, May 7, 2015 20:12:51 No.6509337

>>6493457

Because Nietzsche postulates that the if God of the Bible existed, he is dead, which is close to the truth.

What he misses is that humans, as they existed originally (human 1.0, see "Apollo 20 Mona Lisa"), are also dead.

FTB. (fuck the bibliography)

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