/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6488661]

What's the state of contemporary art? Went to art show yesterday and all I saw was either half-assed abstract expressionism or
deviantart-core paintings of star wars/video game characters.

[Anonymous No.6488669]

What are the topics that modern art tries to touch or reflect upon?

[Anonymous No.6488716]

I like Anselm Kiefer.

[Anonymous No.6488754]

>>6488661
Maybe you just saw shit contemporary art. Shit art had always existed.

[Anonymous No.6488772]

If you can't tell between modern and contemporary art, or never read Gombrich or Argan, don't go to museums and galleries every once in a while and so on, then there is nothing to be said here. If otherwise, then you'll know better and the conversation can begin.

Art threads in here or in /ic/ are always absolutely atrocious.

[Anonymous No.6488774]

>>6488669
>What are the topics

"what is art?"
also, something about social justice

[Anonymous No.6488775]

>>6488669
its supposed to be open ended

[Anonymous No.6488778]

>>6488661

That mural doesn't seem very half-assed to me. Looks very intricate and detailed.

[Anonymous No.6488779]

Considering abstract expressionism to be a notable field of modern art is like considering word poetry/dada to be a major thing in contemporary poetry.

[Anonymous No.6488785]

>>6488669
None. That's why is contemporary art.

[Anonymous No.6488797]

>>6488779
3/10

[Anonymous No.6488812]

>>6488778
This.

I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.6488845]

[Anonymous No.6488868]

>>6488812
Actually, this is a Pollock. I think this is great, but I saw a lot of not-so-great imitations at the show.

[Anonymous No.6488874]

How about this painting anons?

[Anonymous No.6488887]

>>6488874
kitsch

[Anonymous No.6488893]

>>6488661

True art these days is in video games and trashy tv shows.

[twinshia !b2E8KBMQGk No.6488901]

>>6488845
Interesting.
Reminds me of "vapourwave".

[Anonymous No.6488955]

>>6488661
Art reflects society. And most "art" today is just a scam perpetuated by an insulated elite class talking to themselves. Fine art has left the mainstream, by and large. It's depressing to go to a gallery today and see walls and walls of elite class narcissistic masturbation passed of as "edgy" and "relevant" when it's just the complete opposite. My rant.

[twinshia !b2E8KBMQGk No.6488968]

>>6488955
>Art reflects society
???

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>>6488968
Art reflects society. Here we see weeaboo pop-art Murakami derivative >>6488845
A reflection of a subset.

[Anonymous No.6488988]

>>6488968
filtered :^)

[Anonymous No.6488998]

The biggest thing right now are instalations. That way you mix sound, image, architecture and interactivity. There are some very interesting pieces and there's absolute zero chances of piracy unless you are the most dedicated pirate and dedicate one or more rooms of your house to it.
It also has the plus that the artist just has to design something that could work, and each museum has to hire guys that actually build it.

[Anonymous No.6489006]

>>6488661
there is no larger umbrella of meaning or form these days for artists to conform to, art nowadays is something in which everybody has a say, it's completely subjective, and we derive meaning through oeuvre's, not individual pieces. some people still look through the outmoded lens of 18th century totality and grand form, usually this is just a reactionary bourgeois defense to keep new voices from entering the scene. you could see 100 art shows and still see something different and not really understand what contemporary art is. like the world of information, art is in a state of complete chaos. not many critics really have a grasp on what art should be (without a regressive metaphysics) and most artists don't have any idea either, as everything is exhausted and becomes mostly backwards looking. thats one indicator of the end of history proper into a post-historic mode, as we see the complete and utter defeat of the proletariat and the victory of the mass culture in turning existence into a banality. all we can do is wait and see what emerges out of the rubble heap of meaning.

[twinshia !b2E8KBMQGk No.6489020]

>>6488988
???
Well rused.

>>6488982
Art reveals itself in its generation.
It does not reflect any thing,
not even imagination.
It inspires imaginative thinking,
and may be relevant to a social phenomenon,
but it does not reflect it,
it is above it.

[twinshia !b2E8KBMQGk No.6489023]

>>6488998
I prefer illustrations/ paintings/ "flat art".

[Anonymous No.6489047]

>>6489023
On one hand consider that instalations include every other art, and not as in "film has music" but it literally can have paintings and illustrations or projections or people playing music and so on. It's about occupying a space with the entirety of the piece.

But I'm just saying it's been a big thing for the last 20 years, not saying it's better or anything. People still specialize in every single art, some people even go to film school for god's sake.

Also, since it's you:
>and may be relevant to a social phenomenon,
>but it does not reflect it,
>it is above it.
On a purely humanistic way of seeing things I would say it's besides it. An artist will obviously respond to his context and education and all things before and around him, but the final piece will be a mixture between that and his own desire to create. It's a new thing coming from human interpretation, it's the summit of why humans aren't measurable creature so far.
You can study the brain all you want, I seriously doubt we'll ever predict the process the made Picasso paint the Guernica.

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>>6489020
Art reflects/reveals itself in society.

You obviously aren't using the typical definition of "reflection" here, so you should excuse yourself.

[Anonymous No.6489074]

>>6488874
Nice to look at

Not much else going on

[Anonymous No.6489080]

>>6489068
>animu Leon
it finally went full circle!

[Anonymous No.6489105]

>>6488998
I saw this amazing installation in London that was a long, dark room in which you lay down on these bean bags and there were sound and visuals on the ceiling

[Anonymous No.6489118]

>>6489105
Beuys had one in the 70's (I think) were he trapped himself with a wild coyote for three days. The people who visited early got one of a serious of items he considered shamanistic (and were inside the cage with him): some felt, a silver cane, newspapers, something else maybe.
It was his first visit to the US and he didn't set foot on the street, he was transported from and to the airport from the gallery in a stretcher inside what looked like an ambulance. There's some video on-line.
He also once painted a dead hare in gold and walked around the museum explaining the paintings to it. I don't remember if there was any video on-line.

[Anonymous No.6489124]

>>6488845
my negro

[Anonymous No.6489128]

>>6488661
I went to the Tate Modern yesterday and it was absolute garbage. There was a bunch of sticks tied together leaning against a wall and people were actually gathered around it trying to figure out what it meant.

There was a few neat Picassos and some nice African art but it's along side a mirror hanging on the wall, not just any mirror though, this one has a label next to it with the words "The Big Picture" so it's art.

[Anonymous No.6489132]

>>6488874
She looks kinds of trashy for some reason, like Megan Fox.

[Anonymous No.6489162]

>>6489128
Around 2012, I got to see the Picasso show at the AGO in Toronto. This came about some time after I had completed John Richardson's series of biographical volumes on Picasso's life. In that respect, I was prepared, because I had a sense of where he was at the time each work was painted.

My head was swirling with images, and I went twelve hours without thinking of food that day. I still check for the final volume of Richardson's Picasso biography almost every other month.

[Anonymous No.6489227]

>>6488669
could you ask a more general question, this one almost means something

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.6489249]

>>6489227
The answer is; everything goes.
This answers OP.

[Anonymous No.6489269]

>>6489249
So, what type of girls do you like, aunty?

Something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__JMvu3IeNg ?

[Anonymous No.6489279]

>>6489128
There is some GOAT art in Tate Modern too though. You should go to Tate Britain if that's more of your thing, or the V&A.

[« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » !mxvabIoSIE No.6489306]

>>6489269
3D
Intelligent, pleasant,
artsy, classy, lefty.

A wide range of looks really, but Natalia is real nice looking.

[Anonymous No.6489308]

>>6489162
The Picasso there was great, it was the best part.

>>6489279
There was some great paintings but it got diminshed for me seeing these random crap "sculpture" like pieces that were just garbage.

I will check out those two places, thanks.

[twinshia !b2E8KBMQGk No.6489315]

>>6489068
>Art reflects/reveals itself in society.
This is self evident, though.
That it simply does that is a pointless piece of art.
The point is the references are just a vessel to conjuring some thing which only reveals itself in its Genesis.

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[twinshia !b2E8KBMQGk No.6489357]

>>6489047
>On a purely humanistic way of seeing things I would say it's besides it.
It is separate.
It is not defined by references to society.
When it occurs, some thing else entirely has been created.
Overly "intellectual" art or art which has some sort of socialist/ feminist message to it,
is, in my humble opinion, a farce, as an end, that is.

>An artist will obviously respond to his context and education and all things before and around him
Not necessarily, but okay.
It is irrelevant, though.

>the final piece will be a mixture between that and his own desire to create
Desire is the notion which causes the individual to bite,
but the meal is the ideal purpose of the action.
Art is not that,
it is beyond that,
some where my mind has not yet perceived.

[Anonymous No.6489371]

youtube.com/watch?v=wRM_Wyj7elI
>art

[Anonymous No.6489383]

In before Roger Scruton.

[Anonymous No.6489417]

>>6488661
sounds like you went to a local show in bumblefuck USA

the state of contemporary art is that there has never been as much as there is now. any style you can think of, others you couldn't imagine are being explored and produced.

[Anonymous No.6489437]

>>6489417
Los Angeles.

[Anonymous No.6489442]

>>6489357
>It is separate.
Well, I'm cool with separate too. It just don't see it as above something else, it just is.

>It is not defined by references to society.
I didn't say that, or at least I didn't mean to be understood that way. It is a result of society, whether it likes it or not, and you can see this in the evolution of painting (understood as a progression of changes, not improvement and ignoring technical material aspects like prices of oil and so on)

>Overly "intellectual" art or art which has some sort of socialist/ feminist message to it,
>is, in my humble opinion, a farce, as an end, that is.
Why point out only those two? Wouldn't a capitalist or chauvinist piece, done with a message first, be just as shallow?

>It is irrelevant, though.
You really think context payed no part in the vanguards of the early 20th century? or pseudo post-modern stuff? or classsicism? or romanticism? Do you think Mozart and Bach would had done the exact same pieces if they were born in another time?
Context is a huge part of a work, probably 50% of it.

>Art is not that,
>it is beyond that,
>some where my mind has not yet perceived.
Art is not what? biting fro desire or being fulfilled by a meal?

If you could answer to me in poem form but rhyming this time that would be really nice.

[Anonymous No.6489443]

>>6489417
But I see what you mean. I saw this one group doing some kind of real-time street art that was pretty interesting.

[Anonymous No.6489444]

>>6489371
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsMRe86bcNE
>art

[Anonymous No.6489456]

>>6489437
>>6489443
big enough a city to include parochial fluff. NYC has glorified cardboard dollar slice pizza and some of the best restaurants in the world as well. visit better galleries.

[Anonymous No.6489465]

>>6489456
Will do.

[Anonymous No.6489620]

>>6489417
did we really ever have not enough art?

i think id rather have less, honestly. not that that is possible.

[twinshia !b2E8KBMQGk No.6489647]

>>6489442
>Wouldn't a capitalist or chauvinist piece, done with a message first, be just as shallow?
Yes, apologies for not mentioning them.
"et cetera" would have been preferable.

>Context is a huge part of a work, probably 50% of it.
If it does not trigger with in you an effect which changes you in a way which you can not describe its effect until it has changed you,
then it is... not irrelevant,
but it falls in to the field of art history,
not art,
as I want to understand it.
We are talking about some thing which you forcibly take un to yourself,
the colours, sound if you are referring to these installations et cetera.
That they trigger in you what I have attempted to describe is "good" art,
but precisely that can not be described,
because once it has been absorbed it is to be discarded.

[twinshia !b2E8KBMQGk No.6489649]

>>6489442
>If you could answer to me in poem form but rhyming this time that would be really nice.
I am not savvy in regards to poetry,
unfortunately.
I have read Pound, Eliot, Rilke, Larkin, Heaney and some others,
but I am not sure what the formalist approach to constructing a poem actually is.

>Art is not what? biting fro desire or being fulfilled by a meal?
Art is not biting for desire, it is the meal.
Apologies if I was vague.

[Anonymous No.6490181]

>>6489444
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5jB1mrbFTs
>art

[Anonymous No.6490199]

>>6488661
I think Lucian Freud's work is great.

Benefit supervisor sleeping.

[Anonymous No.6490206]

>>6490199
>>6488661
He works primarily with the concept of "texture" and exaggerating an existing texture visually.

[Anonymous No.6490215]

>>6488661
The state of contemporary art is shit, and shit is by modern art standards art.
Are there artists today who manage to create genuinely and objectively good art? Yes. Are these artists featured in modern art galleries or otherwise considered successful in the modern art world? No.

[Anonymous No.6490282]

>>6490181
it would had been funnier with less out of place music memes.

[Anonymous No.6490306]

>>6488998
this

if you're not looking at installation, mixed media, or photography, you're doing contemporary art all wrong

[Anonymous No.6490312]

- Lack of proper instruction

- Lack of proper materials
(Colleges don't allow students to bring oil paints to school, much less mix them)

- Most oil paints lack beeswax, an essential adhesive element

- Lack of high-quality compositional grids for perspecfive orientation.

- Lack of knowledge concerning aesthetic composition generally.

[Anonymous No.6490315]

>>6489128
>figure out what it meant

hehe plebs are cute

[Anonymous No.6490333]

>>6490312
>proper instruction
>proper materials

we are discussing art, not simply traditional art, right?

[Anonymous No.6490342]

>>6488661
>that feel when Outsider Art looks better than most Modern Art

[Anonymous No.6490348]

>>6490333
Non-traditional artists still require instruction. You can't expect to simply invent an entire discipline yourself.

Here's a better layout of Rockwell's method of projecting a photograph (initially onto drafting vellum and then onto canvas).

[Anonymous No.6490361]

>>6490348
Just post a mediafire you fucking cock tease.

[Anonymous No.6490365]

>>6490342
>misusing the term 'modern art'
>judging art on whether it 'looks better'

[Anonymous No.6490385]

>>6490348
>You can't expect to simply invent an entire discipline yourself.
sure you can, outsider artists frequently do it. every other week social media is buzing around some found newly discovered artist an their shit.

[Anonymous No.6490453]

>>6488998
Would advise people to check out James Turrel if you don't already know him. His installation light art is subtle, but leaves a strong impression upon you. I seriously hope he lives to see Roden Crater finished.

[Anonymous No.6490499]

>>6490361
You have no idea what you're missing... The argumentation structures of Trebizond, the figures and tropes of Desmarais, the proper Epistolary Form, the Progymnasmata, the civic purpose of the Hellenic Epigrams, the Classical Roman Rhetorics, and the six parts of a speech... All set out in glorious sharpie markers and held behind beautiful plastic binding. It's enough to make a man explode with envy, I know.

[Anonymous No.6491021]

>>6490348
Who writes these?

[Anonymous No.6491120]

>>6489006
In the mean time, we all suffer. My objection to the utter collapse of the fine arts is that nearly EVERYTHING is ugly today. The masses have no aesthetic values taught to them today. Thus the ugly clothing, ugly tattoos, ugly architecture, on and on and on. We live in an ugly world today little in the way of aesthetic values.

The arts were originally used to elevate human existence. Today they debase it. All for what? some delusional Marxist utopia???

[Anonymous No.6491137]

>>6490365
>judging art on its aesthetics isn't the important point

ayy

[Foucault !!Q8GwVRjnOFz No.6491139]

>>6488661

>modern art
>modern art
>modern
>art
>joke

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[Anonymous No.6491150]

>>6491139
>Modern art includes artistic works produced during the period extending roughly from the 1860s to the 1970s
Go to bed grandpa, the Beatles aren't cool anymore

[Anonymous No.6491152]

>>6491137
>thinking aesthetics means "looks nice"
>in /lit/
>discussiong a subject without having read any book related to it
>in /lit/

[Anonymous No.6491154]

>>6491137
>misusing the term 'aesthetics'

[Foucault !!Q8GwVRjnOFz No.6491167]

>>6491150

Can you read?

[Anonymous No.6491174]

>>6491167
>contemporary art
>modern art
It's clearly evident that only one of us can.

[Foucault !!Q8GwVRjnOFz No.6491179]

>>6491174

I am finding joke within Modernism you donald dunce.

[Anonymous No.6491186]

>>6491179
>It was just a joke, I swear I'm not actually retarded

[Foucault !!Q8GwVRjnOFz No.6491189]

>>6491186

Can you calm down?

[Anonymous No.6491240]

>>6491174
lmao btfo

[Foucault !!Q8GwVRjnOFz No.6491249]

>>6491240

Upset

[Anonymous No.6491550]

>>6489105
Wasn't it named Cosmococa?
If yes, there is one near my city, by Hélio Oiticica.

It's beautiful

[Anonymous No.6491652]

>>6489321
Pre-modernist eccletism is disgusting, I would kek loud at these fucking things during art history

[Anonymous No.6491657]

/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6491669]

>>6491652
under what criteria you cal 1900 pre-modern? Modernism had competely taken over for more than a hundred years, and usually you start it with neoclassicism in painting.