Can we talk about Spengler? He BTFO of liberal historians, but they just plug their ears and say lalalala can't hear you.

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Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:13:37 2015 No.6461946 [Reply] [Original]

Can we talk about Spengler? He BTFO of liberal historians, but they just plug their ears and say lalalala can't hear you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:15:22 2015 No.6461954 I keep telling myself I'll read Decline of the West one day. What's a good translation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:15:56 2015 No.6461956 >>6461954 >translation

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:16:13 2015 No.6461958 >>6461946 I literally didn't understand SHIT about the world or culture at all until I got into Spengler. He BTFO of everything.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:17:08 2015 No.6461961 >>6461956 well cuck you too anon. I can read p alright in 4 languages, German's just not one of them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:18:01 2015 No.6461965 >>6461946 i feel 10x stupider after reading that male chauvinistic dribble

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:18:32 2015 No.6461966 >>6461961 CFA

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:19:35 2015 No.6461969 File: 426 KB, 380x254, gn5I2vZ.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6461965

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:20:31 2015 No.6461973 >>6461946 The Decline of the West really is a master work. Spengler was one of the best of Nietzsche's heirs. His description of the Western Faustian culture is spot on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:22:01 2015 No.6461977 >>6461966 i dunno what that's supposed to mean

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:24:57 2015 No.6461988 >>6461977 charles francis atkinson

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:26:50 2015 No.6461994 File: 322 KB, 546x700, 1387479671181.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >btfo

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:27:14 2015 No.6461996 >>6461988 gracias amigo

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:27:48 2015 No.6461999 >>6461994 >>>revleft

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:30:08 2015 No.6462002 Or he was wrong about just about everything, and the average 'DJEDENERACY!!!1' yelling /pol/ack hasn't figured out yet that he was just another cheap doomprophet Doom and gloom sells, you know. Just ask Peter Hitchens

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:31:00 2015 No.6462006 >>6461994 >implying that reading theories contrary to your own views isn't the greatest method for growth & self improvement

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:31:04 2015 No.6462007 >>6461994 Wow fuck off not every German thinker means you're a neo-Nazi. Memes are a well accepted form of transcribing concepts, if you've read Spengler you know he has a lot of contempt for things. Hence btfo.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:31:06 2015 No.6462008

Ugh. The whacky conservative's classic:

>the academics are just refusing to hear what X says!

The same way economists are refusing to address Mises, physicists are refusing the hear the inventions of some dude on youtube who says he found a new free source of whatever and biologists refusing to hear the latest dude to correlate race and intelligence based on IQ studies.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:31:43 2015 No.6462010 >>6462008 Mises will be commonly accepted within fifty years

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:33:02 2015 No.6462012 >>6462010 if in 50 years we'll be living in a post-apocalyptic society, then yeah

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:33:37 2015 No.6462015 >>6462010 let's hope so, at least it will unveil liberal economics of its pretense of science

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:35:30 2015 No.6462020 File: 624 KB, 1000x767, 1370264485798.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6461999 >>6462006 >>6462007 Being this butthurt

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:36:23 2015 No.6462023 >>6462002 wow it's like you literally judged his work based on the title alone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:37:32 2015 No.6462026 >>6462020 butthurt? I'm not a conservative, but I read as many conservative thinkers if not more than liberal ones. You should too if you want to avoid the label of nincompoop

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 04:37:49 2015 No.6462027 >>6462020 I don't like the idea of shitty, meaningless posts going uncontested.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 05:02:06 2015 No.6462087

>>6462020
As a (I assume) leftist, don't you think it's interesting to get to know these shitty theories of the right?

Because this is how I see it. The Right is intellectually bankrupt, not by chance but by design. Its end goal is simply the preservation of class structures. Since conditions that make this possible change with the time, capital itself gravitates toward different designs that often stay "unorthodox" for decades before its moment to shine.

So if capital is unchallenged and the only possible coherent political organization against it comes from governments trying to restraint its excesses for pratical purposes, it will turn to the lolbertarians and fill the senate and its media apparatus with people from the tradition the libertarian pseudo-academia and its rants about Freedom. On the other hand, if there is dissent among the classes that live by wage it must be crushed, so the flavor of the month becomes the authoritarians, the militarists, the mystical nationalists, sometimes even clericalism and monarchism.

Conservative propagandism that isn't on the agenda of the dominating classes is inoffensive and worthless, and it's a good thing that it comes to us so easily because we can learn what it is and learn to fight it. After all, all right-wing traditions are reserve armies. I mean, just imagine if the communists of the 20's had left the economics aside a minute or two and read about traditionalism and nationalism instead. They'd be much better prepared to face fascism.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just looking for a rationalisation to why I spend so much time reading about austrian economics and nationalist romanticism when I think they're laughable, but getting to know something new can't hurt.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 05:03:55 2015 No.6462093 >>6462087 >leftist >much politics >etc Fuck off you faggot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 05:07:37 2015 No.6462102 >>6462087 >As a (I assume) leftist, don't you think it's interesting to get to know these shitty theories of the right? >>6447794 Consider yourself reported, you fucking cancer

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 05:09:44 2015 No.6462109 File: 99 KB, 566x943, 1423467264421.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6461994 >>6462020

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 06:57:20 2015 No.6462394 Threadly reminder that Wittgenstein loved Spengler. You can't dismiss Spengler as simply being hurr >>>/pol/

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:04:06 2015 No.6462420 >>6461994 Well, Spengler wasn't a stormfag. >tfw you will never be Spenglers bf in his cool apartment

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:21:03 2015 No.6462495 >>6462020 >being this shit at debate

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:30:12 2015 No.6462524 >>6462495 You don't debate with a stormweenie, you send it back to /pol/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:33:53 2015 No.6462533 What's with the influx of /pol/lies recently that just start a post with an empty quote, call it "based" and insult everyone who disagrees? What are you fags even doing here outside of your personal echo chamber?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:37:04 2015 No.6462540 >>6462533 News got around that mods banned Marxism here, so we figure it's time for you guys to take the red pill now that you're finally snapping out of your Jewlusions.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:38:49 2015 No.6462547 >>6462540 Well, we just try to talk about literature, thank you very much. Seriously though, is this a false flag?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:40:15 2015 No.6462552 >>6462547 Ha, I don't know. My post was just a joke. I don't know what's causing the influx of /pol/ threads.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:48:25 2015 No.6462588

>>6462010
>mfw Mises was an example of "retard lolbertarian up to the 80s"
>mfw in 1991 everyone - including Robert "freedom-hater" Heilbroner - was muhhhhhh Mises was right but it's still wrong to agree with him
>http://web.archive.org/web/20050124015625/http://www.reason.com/hod/db012105.shtml

Mises is 3d GOAT economist, the second place being Eugen von Böhn Bawerk and first Anne Robert Jacques Turgot.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:49:42 2015 No.6462593 >>6461946 feel free to call me a weeb, but isn't this more or less the bushido mindset?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 07:52:42 2015 No.6462608 >>6462533 In case you didn't notice it's not the /pol/ men that write this >>6462087 Or it may be, Poe's law in full effect here. The guy is actually considering political tactics first, like all leftists. Case of being oblivious to searching truths.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:30:45 2015 No.6462739 So I've been tempted by Spengler for a long while. Why should I reading? Isn't the cyclical view of civilization rise and fall pretty dated? Give me a run down on his essentials.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 08:35:34 2015 No.6462748 >>6462739 He predicted academic obscurantism post-structuralism and the creation of a /pol/ sentiment among the middle-classes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 09:54:57 2015 No.6462965 File: 35 KB, 796x594, 1410306616759.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >mfw people think Decline of the West is a book about degeneracy and a replica of Julius Evola /lit/ is illiterate as fuck

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:05:05 2015 No.6462987

>>6462608
>In case you didn't notice it's not the /pol/ men that write this

Of course not, they're not that eloquent. If that was /pol/ there would be more "faggots" and "degenerates" thrown around, it would be one sentence long and backed by an image showing the superiority of free murkets to socialism by comparing South and Korea.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 10:08:59 2015 No.6462998
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I haven't read Spengler, but I have this book by Yockey which is said to be 'Spenglerian' in essence. I think everything in it is correct other than Yockey's outdated views on race.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:01:24 2015 No.6463109 >>6461946 I never got that quote. What's so great about standing around like an idiot while a volcano erupts? He died, for nothing. Should've bailed and gotten the fuck out of there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:05:09 2015 No.6463129 >>6462748 >He predicted academic obscurantism Academic obscurantism has been around for centuries. It doesn't take a genius to see how intellectual groups often favor being esoteric to feed their egos.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:09:26 2015 No.6463145 >>6461946 >Spengler >BTFOing anyone No, not even liberals could be BTFOed by that nonsense.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:13:36 2015 No.6463156 >>6462002 You can't make it anymore obvious that you've never read him. And don't fuck with based Peter.

Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:22:16 2015 No.6463179

>>6463109
Not only would that soldier not have been a "thoroughbred" in any sense -- instead being one of the stinking pleb masses that these Rightfags pretend to be above -- but teh idolization of that manner of death is indeed only symptomatic of the perverse nihilism of a writer like Spengler. Of course, in reality, Spengler would have ran away if he was the soldier mentioned. Where was he when the mustard gas was choking the lungs of his fellow countrymen? Writing about "decline". He was a dork that died reading Shakespeare and collecting foreign knives like the modern fedora collects katana from local flea markets.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:22:30 2015 No.6463182 /pol/ here, do you guys seriously read shit like marx? you do realise that marxism was made by the jews to degenerate the west?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:30:24 2015 No.6463207 >>6463179 >You can't make it anymore obvious that you've never read him. Stop latching onto the word 'decline' as though it automatically makes it some sort of /pol/tard doomsday pamphlet. It doesn't mean what you think it does.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:31:25 2015 No.6463209 >>6463182 see >>6462965

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:42:30 2015 No.6463242 >>6463182 /lit/ here, do you guys seriously read shit like macroeconomics?? you do realise that capitalism was made by the USA to degenerate the western culture?

Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 27 11:49:47 2015 No.6463265

>>6461946

Ultimately its his way of thinking that will lead to the "decline" of the west. You could throw whatever insult you have at me, he failed to consider what you need to do in order to sustain a long term society is to address the problems within it.

Or learn of the problems. All that means that we might discover Western society ultimately does suffer from flaws just as every other society has, Western society has just been so caught up within itself that it has hyper focused on the flaws of other cultures blinded by its own perceived majesty. This allows problems to fester and grow.

Generally, arrogance within cultures lead them to the stage towards collapse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:52:35 2015 No.6463271 >>6463265 lel, have you actually read the book?, go to the page where is the small table at page 60 or so with the contents summarized so you can understand before speaking

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 11:57:12 2015 No.6463284 >>6463129 No, I mean he specifically predicted post-structural thought.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:00:53 2015 No.6463290 >>6463265 There's been a massive influx of retards who like to type long posts thinking they know what they're talking about. You're one of them. Shitty american education.

Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 27 12:02:51 2015 No.6463292

>>6463271

The problem with really reactionary politics itself is that it offers no solution to the criticism of its own culture because it views its own culture as a sacrosanct entity to various degrees.

It could be addressed through numerous loop holes, but in the end it answers nothing to the problems within its culture.

>>6463290

It's ironic that you condemn people who type long sentence while saying nothing when you already enjoy Spengler.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:04:26 2015 No.6463296 >>6463292 >while saying nothing when you already enjoy Spengler. Did I say that, you illiterate fuck? Dumbass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:27:42 2015 No.6463367 >>6463207 what is the purpose of the green words in your post?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:28:39 2015 No.6463371 >>6461956 What's wrong with translating non-fiction?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:36:40 2015 No.6463386 >>6463367 To express how butt-blasted he is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 27 12:59:34 2015 No.6463447 >>6462593 >>>/jp/

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