/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6454398]

i want to get into poetry

where should i start

[Anonymous No.6454406]

>>6454398
With an anthology. "Immortal Poems" by Oscar Williams is an excellent starting point.

[Anonymous No.6454408]

Are you a native English speaker?

[Anonymous No.6454409]

r u m i

[Anonymous No.6454410]

>>6454398
Slam poetry of course
[Spoiler] But seriously you can never go wrong with Leaves of Grass by Walt Whitman [/spoiler]

[[$$$Weed Alliance$$$] No.6454425]

Start with the greeks

[Anonymous No.6454427]

>>6454410
You capitalized the S in the first spoiler. undergrad please go

[Anonymous No.6454432]

>>6454427
>>6454427
dank meme.
Jokes on you. I dropped out.

[Anonymous No.6454440]

>>6454409
>translated poetry

[Anonymous No.6454454]

https://youtu.be/U9cW7dh34Q0?t=179

[[$$$Weed Alliance$$$] No.6454494]

>>6454454
That whore has such bad teeth

[Anonymous No.6454503]

>>6454494
I definitely would though.

[Anonymous No.6454536]

>>6454398
Larkin

[Anonymous No.6454538]

>>6454398
What movement/trend does this picture fall under?

I don't get it, someone explain these pictures to a pleb like me

[Anonymous No.6454545]

>>6454454
as great as this video is it's not one of the better english poems. he should've went all out and recited lycidas.

[Anonymous No.6454546]

start with the greeks anon

[Anonymous No.6454560]

>>6454538
Internet post-irony, probably.

And before anyone responds: it's post-irony because the aesthetic is intended to actually look good more than just silly (though it's both), and vaporwave is something more specific.

[Anonymous No.6454575]

>>6454398
Philip Larkin

John Keats

William Wordsworth

Alfred, Lord Tennyson

Robert Frost

William Butler Yeats

Any of these could probably help you find some interest in poetry.

[Anonymous No.6454587]

>>6454560
I always thought the "post-" in post-irony was purely ironic

[Anonymous No.6454589]

>>6454440
He actually meant "are you am i?"

[Anonymous No.6454592]

>>6454440
>4440
>missed quads

[Anonymous No.6454629]

>>6454587
Yeah me too.

So is 'post-irony' just sincerity?

[Anonymous No.6454633]

>>6454398
Start with the Sumerians.

[Anonymous No.6454691]

>>6454587
>>6454629
It's sincerity in the traditionally ironic. Or instead, the co-opting of the ironic for a sincere aesthetic/identity.

[Anonymous No.6454727]

>>6454691
I'm gonna go lay down for a while.

[Anonymous No.6454741]

>>6454538
they are offshoots of Vaporwave album art

[Anonymous No.6454760]

>>6454727
Well, let's use the pictures on this thread as an example.

You have the creation of image-editors which leads to people having no idea what they're doing design-wise, so you get heavily mashed-up shit -> People realize how ugly this is so they stop doing it -> Then comes the part where people are doing it ironically (see pic, which I should note is a specific callback to Memphis Rap which heavily utilized this aesthetic) -> People actually start to like the design, so they begin creating it in a sincere, though still knowing, way.

[Anonymous No.6454780]

>>6454691
is this kind of what you mean?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vYnas6q3Sg

[Anonymous No.6454814]

>>6454780
Nah, that whole scene is entirely sincere. You could argue the mass amount of fans are listening to it in a 'knowing' way, but the artist isn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMgkt9jdjTU

This a better example. Listen to the lyrics. When you had people like Lil B doing that kind of style, it was pretty much an ironic take on the radio-Southern Hip Hop that was popular at the time. But then as the joke grows and festers, people eventually start genuinely liking it. So Yung Lean's lyrics these days would be considered good.

[Anonymous No.6454829]

>>6454629
>sincerity

Misnamed movement based on a real feeling. One of the clever things about the name "postmodernism" was that, true to its movement, it couldn't come up with any central idea except that of being "post-" whatever came before. The new movement is, at its core, post-postmodernism. A distaste for irony, "undermining", and rampant Shandyism.

Realness of the new feeling versus artificiality of the old is not a new idea. Messes of pseudo-philosophical systems (or "schools") intruding on the territory of literature has been a thing for a long time. Byron, unhappy with the new theorizing about poetry brought in by the Lake school, and angry at how the new school turned up its nose at the Neoclassical era, wrote perhaps one of the best verses on the subject in Childe Harolde's Pilgrimage, Canto the Third:

CXIV

I have not loved the world, nor the world me,—
But let us part fair foes; I do believe,
Though I have found them not, that there may be
Words which are things,—hopes which will not deceive,
And virtues which are merciful, nor weave
Snares for the failing: I would also deem
O'er others' griefs that some sincerely grieve;
That two, or one, are almost what they seem,—
That goodness is no name, and happiness no dream.

It's an optimism about feeling in poetry tentatively erected against a (perceived) prevailing cynicism; belief in the power of words and hopes, maybe a silly belief, defiantly held to. A conviction that some tears are not excess of sentimentality (this was a real shift in taste in the Romantic period—the crocodile tears, so called, of the poets of sensibility were going out of fashion), that there are "Words which are things", etc. If you read the verse and imagined he was responding to the postmodernists it works. The tension is so often between the old snobs and the new generation who feels something real and will not be condescended to about it.

In fairness to the old snobs, we do make up something monstrous and partially imaginary out of their good intentions. So it is when every new generation eats the old.

[Anonymous No.6454835]

Related question

How do I develop a sense for the rhythm of poetry? Do you just pick up on it from reading enough or should I study what the different feet are and such

[Anonymous No.6454859]

>>6454814
this is proof that millennials are the worst generation

[Anonymous No.6454864]

>>6454835
Check out Poetic Designs by Stephen Adams. It's short and to the point and has plenty of great examples in it.

http://www.amazon.com/Poetic-Designs-Introduction-Meters-Figures/dp/1551111292/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1430005445&sr=8-1&keywords=Poetic+Designs

Just "picking it up" isn't quite so easy as just reading up on it. And learning to spot some of the schemes and tropes in poetry will make you a better reader of poetry.

Of course you don't need to know any of this to enjoy good poetry. But you will probably enjoy poetry more if you understand how it works. And correct scansion is sometimes essential to feeling a poem the right way.

[Anonymous No.6454870]

>>6454864
I'll look into this, thanks.

[Anonymous No.6454897]

>>6454859
it has good beat that's all that matters

[Anonymous No.6454916]

>>6454814
I haven't listened to this in forever

Now that "S A D B O Y S" has mostly blown over I think I can say that it wasn't a bad song. I'm enjoying re-listening to it more than I thought I would

[Anonymous No.6454935]

>>6454897
Not exactly. It's true to an extent, sure, but maybe a better example would be Kanye's "Yeezus." A lot of people genuinely think:

"Do you remember where we first met?
Okay, I don't remember where we first met."

is good lyricism. Yet if you had said that seven years ago it'd be entirely ironic.

>>6454916
The production really is stellar and Lean's style fits it perfectly.

[Anonymous No.6454967]

waterboyz 4 lyfe

[Anonymous No.6456407]

>>6454538
NOIDED

[Anonymous No.6458472]

>>6454398
the greeks

[Anonymous No.6458524]

The Rime of the Ancient Mariner is a good start

[Anonymous No.6458796]

>>6458524
I actually disagree. Not because I don't like the poem—you'll scarcely find a more devoted fan of STC on this board—but because newcomers to poetry tend only to get a fraction—a fraction not really representative of the whole—of its effect. The half of STC's imaginative poems that so many people love is only one half—the devilish half—of the complex moralism at work in his poetry. Coleridge was a brilliant and multifaceted man, and he was at bottom a serious Christian. Without knowing the tension in a work like the Rime of the Ancient Mariner, OP might get the false impression that good poetry is all about shock and rebellion. It's about as bad as handing someone Paradise Lost to get started with literature and letting them develop the false impression that Satan deserves our sympathy.

[Anonymous No.6460487]

>>6454538
best girl

[Anonymous No.6460581]

>>6454760
So its kind of the "awareness" of the awareness.

[Anonymous No.6460616]

>>6454398
emo online forums