So the 21st century's main contribution to philosophy is the concept of the "other" >inb4 hegel/lacan/arendt/derrida/etc Other philosophers have talked about it, but it wasnt the sole focus of most philosophical thought like it is now

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Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:05:37 2015 No.6450787 [Reply] [Original]

So the 21st century's main contribution to philosophy is the concept of the "other"

>inb4 hegel/lacan/arendt/derrida/etc

Other philosophers have talked about it, but it wasnt the sole focus of most philosophical thought like it is now

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:08:10 2015 No.6450794 You know there's a philosophy department at CERN, right? No, wait, 'course not, you're too busy catching up on last century.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:09:52 2015 No.6450798 >>6450787 i disagree. it definitely peaked in the 90s after edward said's orientalism. the return of the cartesian subject is trendy these days

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:10:25 2015 No.6450801

>>6450787
forgot second half of post:

seems kinda lame to me. I can take 20 classes on post-colonialism/representation of minorities/queer studies/feminism/intersectionality/etc but none on the implications of possible immortality, robot ethics, or anything else interesting

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:12:14 2015 No.6450807 >>6450794 I can't imagine an entire philosophy department is necessary to analyze why grown men find comfort in smashing tiny things together

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:12:18 2015 No.6450808 >>6450801 >I live in a shit hole that's trapped in the 90s This seems like a problem for you more than for philosophy as a whole.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:13:24 2015 No.6450809 >>6450807 >le feminist comment on silly men with their tiny penises!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:13:32 2015 No.6450810 Yes, it's not like Plato made 'otherness' (to heteron) the definition of difference or anything..

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:13:42 2015 No.6450812

>>6450801

> I can take 20 classes on post-colonialism/representation of minorities/queer studies/feminism/intersectionality/etc but none on the implications of possible immortality, robot ethics, or anything else interesting

this is the stupidest shit I've ever read

go the fuck away, I can smell your navy blue sweats from here

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:14:45 2015 No.6450815 >>6450809 >>>/reddit/ kill yourself, shitstain

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:14:55 2015 No.6450817 >>6450808 >I live on the internet and don't go to an actual university not even OP but you have to admit this shit is everywhere in the university system

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:16:19 2015 No.6450820 >>6450801 >but none on the implications of possible immortality, robot ethics, or anything else interesting Why take classes on those things when you can discuss them on LessWrong for free?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:16:51 2015 No.6450821 File: 54 KB, 348x437, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6450787 >implying I don't own the other

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:17:35 2015 No.6450825

>>6450812
>>6450815
not even reddit or a sci-fi fan, it just seems like there is so much more our society is dealing with and we could explore, but instead we're stuck in academia on blaming everything on capitalism or 'whiteness

'>>6450810
never said it was invented in the 21st century...

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:18:30 2015 No.6450829

>>6450817
If you're planning on tapping out at BA or earlier in the US maybe, but robotic ethics is massive across Europe and Asia and has been for about a decade even at that level. I'll admit it's a problem if you're getting a fluff degree from somewhere laughable to the rest of philosophy, but the way I would define the problem is you paid money for junk and want me to care about that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:19:23 2015 No.6450834 >>6450825 I know, but I'm literally saying it's a central concept. For Plato already. And also Hegel makes the dialectic between Something and Other extremely important in the Science of Logic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:19:25 2015 No.6450835 >>6450825 yeah, totes, why give a shit about people actively being oppressed when there's all those spinning balls of dirt to look at! go read a book

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:22:18 2015 No.6450844 >>6450825 Post left anarchism. There you go, now move onto real problems

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:22:44 2015 No.6450845 >>6450829 I'm not going to school for philosophy, maybe you'd call an MFA a fluff degree, but I dont really care. All I know is I am required to take Critical studies for the liberal arts and its almost like ideological brainwashing

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:24:19 2015 No.6450854 >>6450845 So you're paying for junk and want me to care about that. You're right, there is a problem: you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:24:33 2015 No.6450855 >>6450835 >totes I can smell your purple hair from here

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:25:53 2015 No.6450860

>>6450787
I was just thinking about this. The other is instinctively repulsive to us, no matter how hard we try, because the true experience of the other is always a traumatic one.

>"...and here I’m a little bit sentimental in the sense that I remember years ago I saw a photo of a cat, immediately after this cat was submitted to some unpleasant experiment.
>"This cat was put in a centrifuge and it turned like crazy. What you then see was a cat with broken limbs and so on, and most shocking to me most of its hair was gone.
>"But it was still alive and just looking into the camera. And here I would like to ask the Hegelian question – what did the cat see in us. What kind of a monster. Not what the cat is for us and so on, but what we were for the cat at this point."

-Slavoj Zizek, (1949-present)

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:26:32 2015 No.6450863 >>6450855 >doesn't into ironic shitposting even slightly why are you here?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:28:07 2015 No.6450871 >>6450854 >paying yeah, nah I'm actually good at art. but shoot me for wanting to learn something interesting instead of brainwashing

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:28:35 2015 No.6450873 I agree with OP :^)

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:29:28 2015 No.6450877 >>6450863 >being a woman crying about oppression why are you here?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:29:55 2015 No.6450879 >>6450871 >shoot me Why would I go to that effort? I'm sure you're perfectly capable of shooting yourself and solving the whole problem all by yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:31:19 2015 No.6450885 >>6450877 want to see my cock?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:32:24 2015 No.6450888 File: 44 KB, 350x263, zizek.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6450871 >i just wanna learn something XD! >implying learning isnt brainwashing pure ideology

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:33:21 2015 No.6450892 >>6450885 YES!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:34:25 2015 No.6450901 >>6450888 >Implying theres no difference between learning multiple angles/theories and deciding for yourself and only ever being able to choose from one ideological stance

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:34:32 2015 No.6450902 >>6450888 Nice trips, but I'm still waiting for your gif to go on a cocaine induced rampage.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:36:17 2015 No.6450909 >>6450901 >implying you've been kidnapped and forced to go to college by some very strange and college orientated sect against your will Blink twice if you want us to get you kicked out.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:36:24 2015 No.6450910 >>6450885 >IMPLYING GIRLS CANT HAVE COCKS

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:38:30 2015 No.6450919 >>6450879 eventually :) lets do it together, my philosophical friend. we are too good for this world, you and I. artists and philosophers 2gether4ever >>6450909 I have been, by late capitalism and cultural hegemony. I thought you people knew this.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:42:00 2015 No.6450927 >>6450919 This has been more codependent than speed dating. Don't wait for the other anon to reply, I'm both of those. Good luck with the rest of your poor choices in life and finding a scapegoat to enact your cultural rituals over.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:42:08 2015 No.6450928 Why are continentals always fetishizing the inaccessibility of the Other? e.g. https://youtu.be/KKD9anjgcCI?t=7m06s Why are Derrideans obsessed with remaining non-committal?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:43:18 2015 No.6450934 >>6450927 love you too :^*

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:54:01 2015 No.6450988 >>6450798 >the return of the cartesian subject is trendy these days any rec's?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:54:21 2015 No.6450991 Analytic philosophy doesn't even bother with that concept so I'm not even sure what you're talking about, this board isn't the philosophical community at large & in no way resembles it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 23:58:11 2015 No.6451000 >>6450991 It's their term for ¬

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 00:01:27 2015 No.6451017 >>6450787 >21st century

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 00:05:03 2015 No.6451033 >>6450991 >the philosophical community at large is embarrassing so why even bring it up? Academic philosophy is the best example of "frantic activity in defense of impotence" I've ever seen.

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 01:47:28 2015 No.6451361

>>6450787
>but it wasnt the sole focus of most philosophical thought like it is now

I've only encountered it in Social Theory. We never touch it in Philosophy. The nature of time, causation, the justification of belief, modal logic, mereology, universals, moral realism vs moral constructivism, etc, are what we focus on.

>>6450991
This guy get's it.

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 01:59:48 2015 No.6451403
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The Other is actually the central concept of both Ancient and Medieval Philosophy. To the Ancients and the Medievals, we only know ourselves in relation to an Other. That is why you never see real self-reflection in ancient writing and medieval writing. Aristotle's formulation of a friend as an "other self" reveals that the Ancients could only conceive of themselves as a response and a reaction to others around them. Even Augustine's Confessions, the world's first autobiography, aren't a real self-reflection- they are an opening up to God, and through that relation Augustine comes to know himself and to know the universe.

The "other" that the 21st century has managed to scrounge up is still ultimately a focus on the Self, which was the great innovation of Modern thought. The only way Moderns can think of the Other is in how it relates to THEM, not how they relate to it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 03:30:57 2015 No.6451627 >>6451033 This is a logical fallacy called ad hominem.

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 03:38:47 2015 No.6451646
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>>6451403
Very interesting. Has any thinker in your opinion reached true self-reflection?

>
The "other" that the 21st century has managed to scrounge up is still ultimately a focus on the Self, which was the great innovation of Modern thought. The only way Moderns can think of the Other is in how it relates to THEM, not how they relate to it.

Too true.

Thank you for being serious and thought-provoking instead of shitposting like nearly everyone else. Would you happen to have reading/an essay about this?

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 03:52:18 2015 No.6451689

>>6451646
I don't have a handy essay; the conclusions in that post are largely my own in response to my reading of Ancient, Medieval, and Modern writers.

How can you tell a Modern from an Ancient or a Medieval, though? If you look at the time periods and sync them up well enough, you'll suddenly find all these writers talking about the self, about themselves. Montaigne says "I am myself the matter of this book." Luther says that Scripture should be interpreted yourself. Hobbes talks about mankind as a war of all against all- which is the war of yourself against other selves.

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 03:53:41 2015 No.6451697
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>>6450787

"The Other" is such a bullshit concept.
Durrr let's capitalize a noun, how profound.

Philosophy used to be this hermit's undertakement, now it's bunch of frat kids rationalizing their "I need friends to live!" bullshit.

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 04:09:53 2015 No.6451743
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>>6451689
>Luther says that Scripture should be interpreted yourself

Sure, but the one inarguable point of the new testament is 'love your neighbor as yourself'. Where do you think Christianity fits into all of this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 04:24:37 2015 No.6451778 >>6451403 >>6451689 Interesting, it kind of makes the social constructivists seem reactionary. I ned to read about this..

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 06:12:37 2015 No.6451983 >>6450801 Even post-colonialism is more of a thing than possible immortality, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 06:20:22 2015 No.6451992 >Really basic concept was the main contribution of philosophy of the past century It's like we're in an actual Tedtalk.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 06:50:06 2015 No.6452052 >dude other lmao this isn't philosophy

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 08:38:23 2015 No.6452243 >>6450798 >the return of the cartesian subject is trendy these days lol, where?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 08:39:15 2015 No.6452246 >caring about contemporary philosophy Only philosophers that have been dead at least 300 years are worth reading

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 08:50:41 2015 No.6452273 File: 73 KB, 666x408, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Fuck off, continental. Your posturing is not philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 09:19:45 2015 No.6452364 >>6450801 >post-colonialism >Not interesting pleb

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 09:21:46 2015 No.6452368 >>6452364 >the colonised aren't well off because of multiculturalism So profound.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 09:24:49 2015 No.6452382 >>6452368 >This idea does not align with my political views or life experiences so I won't bother to understand the first thing about it Cool.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 09:27:12 2015 No.6452388 >>6452382 What's not to understand? Post-colonialism is the study of countries affected by multiculturalism.

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 09:37:15 2015 No.6452411

>>6450928
I think a lot of what she's saying is interesting, but at the same time there's a hint of anti-intellectualism in just letting things be.

It reminds me of those kids who just want to stay on the surface of a story and just take it at face value as "just a love story."

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 09:57:38 2015 No.6452476 >>6450787 why fucking bother living, it never ends until it does, then yo udon't want it to

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 10:02:21 2015 No.6452495 >>6452388 It's a bit more than that: https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/722/10/

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 10:12:37 2015 No.6452545 >>6452495 Colonialism is a form of multi-culturalism

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 10:14:21 2015 No.6452551 >>6450807 >I can be dismissive of other academic fields while demanding respect for my own! The internet is amazing!

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 10:52:31 2015 No.6452695

>The truth of appearance is the essential relation. Its content has immediate self-subsistence: the existent immediacy and the reflected immediacy or the self-identical reflection. In this self-subsistence, however, it is at the same time a relative content; it is simply and solely as a reflection into its other, or as unity of the reference with its other. In this unity, the self-subsistent content is something posited, sublated; but precisely this unity is what constitutes its essentiality and self-subsistence; this reflection into an other is reflection into itself. The relation has sides, since it is reflection into an other; so its difference is internal to it, and its sides are independent subsistence, for in their mutually indifferent diversity they are thrown back into themselves, so that the subsistence of each equally has its meaning only in its reference to the other or in the negative unity of both.

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 13:04:58 2015 No.6453175

>>6450787
Maybe in critical thought, but post-modern philosophical thought is much more concerned with the disintegration of 'self' and 'other' into a more schizoid, rhizomatic conception of interaction between individuals. Critical thought wants to keep that barrier of 'self' and 'other' with political correctness: postmodernism wants to collapse both simultaneously.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 13:10:51 2015 No.6453208 What if I want postcolonial sci-fi exploring the implications of an immortal ruling class or the power imbalance between spacefairing and non spacefaring civilizations?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 13:11:43 2015 No.6453211 >>6450810 I'm with OP on this actually. the notion is alluded to from Plato to Sartre but more recently it has become a a central doctrine

Anonymous Sat Apr 25 13:21:52 2015 No.6453234

>>6453211

But Plato didn't allude to it. Otherness is central to his philosophy. It's literally his solution to the problems posed by the Eleatic School in the Parmenides dialogue. I'm saying that for Plato, everything in the universe relates to everything else as to an other.

And also for Hegel, otherness is such a big issue, not something that's merely alluded to..

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 25 17:22:01 2015 No.6454198 >>6452551 >demanding respect for my own! I'm not a student or a scholar, shitlord. sorry about your big boy science pants

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