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Anonymous Thu Apr 23 23:46:42 2015 No.6446485 [Reply] [Original]

we can all agree Baudelaire is the goat 19th century poet, right /lit?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 23 23:47:28 2015 No.6446490 >>6446485 He's good for a chuckle or two, but I don't know much about poetry.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 23 23:49:29 2015 No.6446502 >>6446490 how is flowers of evil good for a chuckle or two

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 23 23:53:20 2015 No.6446520 >>6446502 How is it not? Have you read any of it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 23 23:55:18 2015 No.6446532 >>6446520 yeah its good and not funny

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 23 23:56:40 2015 No.6446539 >>6446532 If you weren't amused by any of it, I don't think you should be reading Baudelaire.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 23 23:57:24 2015 No.6446540 File: 430 KB, 664x874, Rimbaud.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6446485 Ahem

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 23 23:59:04 2015 No.6446543 It's probably Goethe, actually, tbf.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 00:00:36 2015 No.6446552 >>6446543 Hell... he almost has "goat" in his name. For serious

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 00:01:43 2015 No.6446556 why would anybody read translated poetry?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 00:01:46 2015 No.6446558 >>6446539 in what ways was it supposed to be funny

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 00:03:00 2015 No.6446561 >>6446556 why would you pretend that you can speak ancient greek?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 00:03:24 2015 No.6446563 >>6446556 We dont, we read him in French like all patricians should.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 00:03:51 2015 No.6446566 File: 65 KB, 600x450, MallarmeManet1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Mallarmé is good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 00:08:05 2015 No.6446585 >>6446540 i have trouble reading this because it makes me feel inadequate

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 00:10:32 2015 No.6446591 >>6446558 I'd explain it to you, but you seem kinda autistic so I won't waste my time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 00:11:55 2015 No.6446594 MALLARME A L L A R M E

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 00:13:10 2015 No.6446596 >>6446558 I would appreciate it anon pls

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 00:14:36 2015 No.6446603 File: 162 KB, 831x1121, stephane-mallarme-1892[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6446566 MALLARME A L L A R M E

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 00:15:36 2015 No.6446606 >>6446566 He is indeed very based

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 00:18:06 2015 No.6446614 >>6446596 i think i am autistic wrong quote >>6446591 your time will not be wasted anon I'm trying to learn

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 00:18:11 2015 No.6446615 >>6446603 Jamais un coup de dés n'abolira le hasard is absolute god tier

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 01:52:07 2015 No.6446848 >>6446615 >Jamais un coup de dés n'abolira le hasard It's Un coup de dés jamais, mate.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 01:53:24 2015 No.6446850 >>6446848 >tfw I accidentally reveal my pleb status

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 04:52:01 2015 No.6447317 >Baudelaire >goat How is it to be 14 years old? This >>6446540 or this >>6446566 is far more correct

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 04:56:25 2015 No.6447329 >>6446485 >muh modernisation

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 05:00:59 2015 No.6447339 >>6447317 How can Baudelaire appeal to teenagers when he deals with themes often found only in adulthood ?

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 05:08:41 2015 No.6447346

>>6447339
>How can Baudelaire appeal to teenagers
All the teenagers here read Baudelaire, it's often their first taste of "real Literature", and they like it because they have no taste (I don't say that Baudelaire is bad, he is actually very good, just saying that he is overrated)

>when he deals with themes often found only in adulthood ?
Like almost every poet since the beginning of poetry, and still young people read poetry and understand it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 05:11:32 2015 No.6447350 >>6447346 Would you say you are bitter when it comes to Baudelaire because teens are infatuated with him without truly understanding his works, and then overrate him, or are you simply against the fact that he panders to a large demographic ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 05:15:33 2015 No.6447356 >>6447317 Baudelaire was the biggest influence on Rimbaud you tard. If Baudelaire didn't exist neither would Rimbaud, or at least as you know him. Baudelaire is the greatest poet in the French language.

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 05:17:54 2015 No.6447360

>>6447346
>>6447317

>All the teenagers here read Baudelaire, it's often their first taste of "real Literature"

This is literally the same with Rimbaud fans. In fact it's probably even more true for Rimbaud fans as he's more popular here.

Don't play then teen reader card and then link to fucking Rimbaud of all people lol what are you doing with yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 05:19:29 2015 No.6447361 >>6447356 >Baudelaire is the greatest poet in the French language. LOL this is complete accuracy

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 05:25:03 2015 No.6447364 File: 73 KB, 432x650, resnais.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6447317 >hahhhaha you are such a teen you should read rimbaud instead

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 05:30:54 2015 No.6447379

>>6447350
>and then overrate him
Teens surely overrate him, but it isn't the main problem, it is understandable that a young person is fascinated by his first 'love'/'touch' with a great writer, what I despise is that some people will continue, all their life, to idolize their 'first' writer and thus creating retarded things like this thread
But I'm not necessarily implying that OP read Baudelaire when he was young, just that this idolization of Baudelaire is either a social construction (by repeating indefinitely that Baudelaire is the best French poet, people will really think that it is the case) or simply a lack of reading experience

>>6447356
>Baudelaire was the biggest influence on Rimbaud you tard.
Yes, of course, I never implied that it wasn't the case

>If Baudelaire didn't exist neither would Rimbaud, or at least as you know him.
Same for a lot of poet, if Gautier didn't exist neither would Baudelaire of at least as we know him (same for Byron and Lamartine)

>Baudelaire is the greatest poet in the French language.
I just don't know what to say, it's completely senseless, so much poets deserve this title more than Baudelaire

>>6447360
>This is literally the same with Rimbaud fans
Not really, Rimbaud is even harder than Baudelaire, thus creating to some teenagers a small disgust

>In fact it's probably even more true for Rimbaud fans as he's more popular here
Where do you live? Here in France Baudelaire is probably more popular than Rimbaud

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 05:32:04 2015 No.6447381 >>6447379 you are a fucking retard goddamn im so sick of /lit/ being this stupid

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 05:32:46 2015 No.6447382 >>6447381 Care to elaborate?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 05:32:48 2015 No.6447383 >>6447379 Who then deserves the title ? Wouldn't you at least concede that Baudelaire is among the ten greatest french poets, maybe the five ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 05:37:11 2015 No.6447392 >>6447379 >>This is literally the same with Rimbaud fans >Not really just admit that you are peddling in confirmation bias and stop fucking embarrassing yourself in this thread. your posts are a lol.

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 05:37:35 2015 No.6447394

>>6447383
>Wouldn't you at least concede that Baudelaire is among the ten greatest french poets
Definitely

>Who then deserves the title ?
La Fontaine (who probably deserves this title more than anyone else), Racine, Corneille, Ronsard, Hugo, Boileau are the obvious responses
You might want to include Rimbaud and Malherbe as well
I never read Chrétien de Troyes to be honest, so I can't say anything about him

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 05:38:26 2015 No.6447397 File: 71 KB, 751x900, louis-aragon-1897-1982-french-poet-everett.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6446485 Ahem.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 05:40:26 2015 No.6447400 >>6447394 Boileau is such a god. Not really agreeing with you on La Fontaine being numéro un, though, but then again I haven't read anything but the fables.

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 05:49:20 2015 No.6447411

>>6447400
>Boileau is such a god.
That's quite true, he probably is the greatest master of the classical alexandrine along with Racine, his lines are so pure and simple (not an hugolian simplicity, but just a natural and elegant simplicity)

>Not really agreeing with you on La Fontaine being numéro un
Well I was sure that everybody would agree at least for this one, he is the absolute master of French versification, he completely understood how to use each meter perfectly

> but then again I haven't read anything but the fables.
Well, I think that it's almost enough, it's such a genius work
But if you want to read more, I advice you Adonis and Les Amours de Psyché et de Cupidon (and if you want even more, read Daphné, L'Eunuque and maybe Les rieurs du Beau-Richard)

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 06:00:37 2015 No.6447423
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>>6446485
Pretty much, yes. His greatest achievement is that he alone changed the way poetry should be understood and written, and influenced a whole bunch of future young poets who all wanted to be like him. It cannot be exclaimed enough how much Baudelaire did for modern poetry. He was also an outstanding art critic.

Also another GOAT poet coming thru

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 06:26:26 2015 No.6447465 File: 15 KB, 364x569, 8876.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] GOAT poet coming through

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 07:00:56 2015 No.6447554 >>6447465 Who is that ?

Anonymous Fri Apr 24 07:10:14 2015 No.6447582

>>6447554
I hope that you are joking

But if you aren't French and not very familiar with French Literature, he is Charles Leconte de Lisle, a Parnassian / Romantic poet of the XXth, a friend of Flaubert, Banville, and Baudelaire
One of the greatest French Parnassian poet of the XXth along with Gautier, Hérédia and Banville, and a true master of the epic style
He is also very famous for his Parnassian descriptive style of Nature and animals

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 08:20:24 2015 No.6447827 >>6446485 Why "19th century"? He is goat. Sur l’oreiller du mal c’est Satan Trismégiste Qui berce longuement notre esprit enchanté, Et le riche métal de notre volonté Est tout vaporisé par ce savant chimiste. GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT GOAT

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 08:21:22 2015 No.6447829 >>6447582 XIXth*

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 08:31:48 2015 No.6447855 >>6447827 You picked one of his worst verse imo >not Reve Parisien

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 24 08:42:21 2015 No.6447880 >>6447855 >No Paradis Artificiels I'm disappointed.

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