/lit/ - Literature

[Anonymous No.6439929]

/lit/ reads some of the most intelligent, thought provoking philosophy in the world...

...so why aren't you all vegetarians? It's the obvious moral choice.

[Anonymous No.6439932]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=63NNuG-6-hQ

[Anonymous No.6439933]

>>6439929
Oh but I am anon

[Anonymous No.6439934]

vegetarianism is a philosophy that's just not worth talking about

[Anonymous No.6439935]

>>6439929
you almost had me there

welcome to spook city

please enjoy your stay

[Anonymous No.6439940]

/lit/ is a board for literature...

...so why are you posting /b/ topics?

[Anonymous No.6439950]

>>6439929
Maybe, just maybe because we are aware that morality is nothing more than a matter of aesthetics and as such is a spook. Care to explain to me why wouldn't I eat animals if I enjoy it?

[Anonymous No.6439979]

i dont enjoy being underweight and not having any muscle tone

[Anonymous No.6439985]

>>6439929

Morality is an illusion.

[Anonymous No.6439995]

>>6439929
ecks dee

[Anonymous No.6439997]

>>6439950
I'm not disagreeing with you but anyone who uses the term 'aesthetic morality' in a serious context is either an edgy teen or a literal fascist

[Anonymous No.6440000]

Because morality is a spook. And eating meat is pleases my ego.

[Anonymous No.6440010]

>>6440000
>>6439985
>>6439935

[Anonymous No.6440014]

>>6440000

Quads confirm

[Anonymous No.6440041]

>>6440000

[Anonymous No.6440059]

>>6440000
>I'll die alone

[Anonymous No.6440078]

>>6439935

[Anonymous No.6440085]

>>6440059
are you the anon always posting sadmax? it's stale, i.e. not dank.

[Anonymous No.6440110]

>>6440059
>alone-ness/apart-ness from others is a spook

[Anonymous No.6440123]

Is that image trying to imply that meat/protein makes you fat.

[Anonymous No.6440131]

>>6440085
i checked, it's just 1 poster.

>>6440078
>>6440059
go to bed karl

[Anonymous No.6440146]

>>6439929
I'm vegetarian, not out of ethical reasons, but because I have rheumatoid arthritis and I don't want to end up a crippled old man at before I hit 30.
Feel free to make fun of me

[Anonymous No.6440162]

>>6439929
I am a vegetarian.
>>6439934
Yea true, why talk about it when you should just do it? Vegetarians have lower rates of all the leading causes of death.

[Anonymous No.6440167]

>>6439950
>why wouldn't I eat animals if I enjoy it?

Because you'll likely live longer.

[Anonymous No.6440177]

>>6439929
>Where do you get your protein?

Ever heard of beans? Far healthier than meat.
A good question for meat-eaters: Where do you get your fiber?

Here is one of the best (short) videos which shows how much protein vegetarians/vegans/omnivores all get comparatively
http://nutritionfacts.org/video/do-vegetarians-get-enough-protein/

[Anonymous No.6440183]

>>6440167
What's the point in extending your life if you can't do the things you enjoy?

No point living to an old age if you constantly have to limit yourself just to get there.

[Anonymous No.6440191]

>>6439929
Meat tastes good and makes me feel good.

I get the best sleep after I eat a fat steak.

[Anonymous No.6440194]

>>6440123

No its implying that people who understand nothing about diet over-eat in general and that you can source protein from places besides meat.

Although, while an adult male can be /fit/ and vegetarian i think making a kid vegetarian might be retarded.

[Anonymous No.6440201]

>all this spookposting
sameposter please go
I am a vegetarian. However, given the state of factory farming and mass dairy production, the obvious true ethical choice would be to go vegan, as factory-farmed chickens and cows used for eggs and dairy suffer just as much if not more as those raised for slaughter.

I guess I don't go vegan because I'm morally lazy. Given a moral decision in which the "right" option is not substantially more difficult to follow through with, I will proceed in that fashion. However, with cases in which it is much more difficult to follow the ethical route, I most often acquiesce. This is largely so with regards to a vegan diet, and to things such as the wearing of clothing produced in sweatshops.

[Anonymous No.6440202]

Why not both? Omnivore 4 life y'all.

Also no pork, organic red meat only, final destination.

[Anonymous No.6440204]

>>6439997
I can understand edgy teenager, but fascist? Where's the connection?

[Anonymous No.6440206]

>>6439929
I enjoy meat. Why wouldn't I eat it?

[Anonymous No.6440207]

>>6440059
>says the person who isn't invited to barbecues or group outings

[Anonymous No.6440217]

>>6440201
The ethical thing to do according to your system would be to kill yourself or remove yourself to an uninhabited location devoid of wildlife where you could sustain yourself on garden crops. To do otherwise would imply you believe your pleasure or pain is more important than other people's.

[Anonymous No.6440232]

>>6440167
Being vegetarian doesn't extend your life, watching what you eat does. Corellation != causation

[Anonymous No.6440239]

>>6440183
There's a lot of really tasty vegetarian food
>>6440201
I'm only a vegetarian for the exact same reasons. At least being vegetarian is still healthier than omnivore (unless you eat a lot of high-fat dairy and too many eggs).

>>6440232
Not necessarily. Even at the same weight, vegetarians have many better numbers for cancer, diabetes, etc. The list goes on.

[Anonymous No.6440249]

>>6440194
>an adult male can be /fit/ and vegetarian
Protein powder ftw

Even a kid can be vegatarian, there are still eggs and diary. Most of the people take more proteins than they can use anyway. Veganism though is truly retarded IMO.

[Anonymous No.6440259]

>>6440239
>implying low weight = healthy lifestyle

[Anonymous No.6440265]

>>6440249
I knew a Vegan BB when I was a big gym rat. Its possible to do, he was 6'2 at like 200lbs really lean like sub 10%.

You wont win any bodybuilding contests for sure, but its possible.

Its just a LOT of work. He had to eat so many roasted peanuts it was like one of his only sources of protein.


Its possible but to difficult its retarded

[Anonymous No.6440266]

>>6439929
There is no connection between your premise and your question.

[Anonymous No.6440267]

>>6439929

I think vegetarianism is something that the West should move towards followed by all of humanity.

It makes a lot of environmental and bioethical sense.

I'm not currently a vegetarian, but I see my eating meat the same way I see drinking too much or sitting around too much: a failure of self-regulation.

I wish others who ate meat would quit dancing around and just admit that the reason they eat meat is because the pleasure they get from it makes it difficult to stop.

[Anonymous No.6440274]

>>6440259
I didn't imply that at all, but on the average it is true. Less heart disease = healthier.
>>6440265
He probably ate a ton of beans at home too, but nuts are a good source of protein, a bit too much fat in huge quantities though.

[Anonymous No.6440275]

>>6440217
>To do otherwise would imply you believe your pleasure or pain is more important than other people's
No it wouldn't, although you're correct in assuming that my ethical system does not value my happiness over that of others.
As one frequently prone to suicidal ideation, I frequently wish that I could in fact kill myself. What you said, though, implies that my existence can somehow only cause other people pain, or cannot contribute to their happiness. In fact, I consider that it would be unethical for me to kill myself because that implication is simply unfounded. If I were to kill myself it would cause significantly more suffering among those who care about me than if I were simply to remain alive, which I often feel I do only for their sake.

With regards to dairy, I don't think the consumption of milk is inherently unethical, although the way it is produced on a large scale is.

[Anonymous No.6440290]

>>6440217
>To do otherwise would imply you believe your pleasure or pain is more important than other people's.

I believe that, and it is true

[Anonymous No.6440309]

>>6440274
>He probably ate a ton of beans at home too, but nuts are a good source of protein, a bit too much fat in huge quantities though.
This. at 200 lbs he needed at least 200g of proteins every day. It's 800g of peanuts and 400g of fat in it, he would look like a hippo. There was soy protein isolate included, i guarantee it.

[Anonymous No.6440320]

>>6440267
>It makes a lot of environmental and bioethical sense.
Spooks, spooks everywhere

>a failure of self-regulation.
Or as other call it - living.

[Anonymous No.6440329]

>>6440320
The environment has instrumental value to your ego dumbass

[Anonymous No.6440333]

>>6440309
Protein isolate for sure, probably not soy though (some estrogen bullshit theory around it) because there are many non-soy vegan protein powders around now.

[Anonymous No.6440346]

>>6439929
>implying objective morality
Dont be that guy.

[Anonymous No.6440353]

>>6440346
Read Kant, f***t

[Anonymous No.6440354]

>>6440201
>going half-measures on your principles

What is even the point? Might as well not follow or have them at all.

[Anonymous No.6440360]

>>6440239
>There's a lot of really tasty vegetarian food

Never said there wasn't. I just don't get the obsession of extending your life by cutting out things you enjoy. I mean sure, there is a point where indulgences just become pure self destruction and i wouldn't advocate that, but cutting out meat of your diet just so you can live a bit longer is stupid.

[Anonymous No.6440364]

>>6440346
>it's all just like, opinions, man

you can be a moral relativist in a stupid way or an intelligent way

guess which one is you

[Anonymous No.6440366]

>>6440353
More like Kunt

[Anonymous No.6440371]

>>6440364
Yeah? Well you're a big homo.

[Anonymous No.6440378]

>>6439929
Because moral is a fact of society. Robinson on his island cannot be moral or immoral, you have to be in a social relation with other beings for that.

And you're not in a social relation with cows. They can't go on strike, or hold feuds against you. Animals can have rights when they start asking for them.

[Anonymous No.6440385]

>why eat at all

human race is a cancer.
most ethical thing to do would be die out completely.

[Anonymous No.6440392]

>>6440354
>Might as well not follow or have them at all.

[Anonymous No.6440403]

>>6440329
You think if I personally don't eat meat environment will improve so much it will make my life better? What a spook.
I'm glad my property eats grass to make my life a little bit better though. Well thought my slaves!

[Anonymous No.6440419]

>>6440378
even if you were completely blind to the suffering of your fellow creatures, you should take into account that modern animal production is an insanely, stupidly ineffective and environmentally destructive way of producing food

if willfully causing global warming isn't a social issue I don't know what is

[Anonymous No.6440433]

>>6440419
There is no such thing as a food shortage in western Europe, and no, shipping food to starving countries (outside of punctual humanitarian efforts against catastrophes) is a terrible way of handling food issues.

[Anonymous No.6440437]

>>6440419
>implying I care about global warming
The last few winters here where I live were really warm. Im so sad I didn't have to take care of the snow on my driveway.

[Anonymous No.6440440]

>>6440433
true, but global warming is the elephant in the room that you are totally ignoring

[Anonymous No.6440446]

I'm a vegetarian.

It's a mix of a moral choice, health choice, a way for me to think about what I'm eating, etc.

I used to eat meat just like the other guy and just this one day I was having a literal steak sandwich with a friend who is a vegetarian. I offered him, then I remembered he didn't eat meat. We had a small chat, a really tiny one, he didn't make for an argument or tried to convince me or anything, he just said he stopped eating meat 8 years ago and that it's not like he is tempted by my offer or anything. We resumed eating and that was it. But something clicked on me and I was caught thinking "why not?" and "could I do that?". I liked the taste of meat, but should I keep doing something just because I liked it? I had problems with things I liked before (cigarretes and even icecream and soda when I was overweight). I said to myself I was going to try, just to see how I'd do really, no end goal or anything, if I were to go back to eating meat, that was fine.

For the first week I missed the mark two times and not because I craved meat, but because I just forgot about it. Throughout the first month I realized how much meat we eat, how it is nearly everywhere. Some places had one vegetarian option on the menu and all else had meat, some not even that I had to ask for a cheese omelette (all animal products anyway).

That got me into understanding more about the meat industry and how they raise the animals. Huge farmers lobbying out politics everywhere so that they can grow huge plantations, often transgenic and with heavy use of pesticide, that will make for the rations for the animals that are locked and raised specially for highest production through the cheaper means. That is, they put the greatest ammount of animals in one place, which spreads disease that they counter with antibiotics, feeding them with food that do not nourish them at all but just makes them more meaty, then they are sent to slaughter and the meat is treated with other things to be preserved and they put this meat into everything and they make money out of this.

I thought how could I be part of this thing? How much suffering is involved in this? And I don't mean purely in the sense of pain receptors in animals in what not, but almost in an abstract sense that there is no good in any step of this industry, nothing that I can look up for in it, nothing that would make me say "it's great to have this in the world". People know that it is like that, but they don't really "get it", it doesn't "click" to them, because the industry itself makes an effort to hide it, naturally.

cont

[Anonymous No.6440451]

>>6440446 cont
As time went by, I started to look at meat with different eyes. I can't say I'm really disgusted by it, but I certainly don't want it at all. You begin to understand meat as flesh, as a portion of a body, rather than on a category of its own (you know, "nuggets", "steak", "hot dog"). It certainly helped that I was feeling much better with myself, much more energetic and "clean" in some sense. This was totally unexpected, because as a meat eater before I thought this was going to be a deal breaker, I thought that one week without meat would get me bed sick.

Taste is something and it's not the point to fight it, but to work on it, just like as a kid I just wanted the dessert and not the salad, but now I genuinely want the salad. I was not tricked into liking it, it grew on me. In the same way, you may love to eat meat today and change that later on. Since I became a vegetarian I tried many different new things that I loved, and that I wouldn't know if I sticked to my diet. Some people say "I couldn't do it", when the truth is that they don't want to do it, because they definitely could if they wanted to. It's easy to let things sit as they are and I understand that one cannot convince the other that there is a problem just like that. People tried to convince me to go vegan before, but it was that occasional chat that got me.

The vegetarian vs meat eaters debate are tiresome though. The same points are brought up (think atheist vs theists or free will vs determinist threads). There are a lot of slippery slope, a lot of vague ideals, or people derail the debate into what "pain" means or they start a war over health articles and vitamins that I'm sure most here (veg or not) don't really care about to check through their daily lives, it's just an abstract weapon in debates like this. Stuff like "think of the plants!" and other shit also gets old fast.

Anyway, I don't see myself eating meat anytime soon. I'm sensible about egg and dairy, trying to diminish the best I can, seeking to go vegan, but still not quite ready. It helped me a lot to have other vegetarian friends (who were veg long before me) and to get to know vegetarian restaurants that I think are kind of rare depending on where you live. That being said, I throughly recommended, so far the only downpoint has been this trouble to have fewer options on the menu. Other than that it's great. The more I hear about the industry, the more I try new foods and solutions, the more I observe my health, the more I'm certain of this choice that started out as just a fun trial.

PS: When I was 16 I said to my mom I was going to be a vegetarian just for the kicks. She laughed at me and served me a steak. I can't imagine underages or neets going veg in a meat-eating family.

[Anonymous No.6440489]

>>6440309
>>6440333

No, you roast the nuts and chop them and roast them again.

Its some vegan voodoo shit that removes fat from the nuts and retains the protein. and he had to eat an entire plate of the stuff every day.

I had some, its try as fuck and tastes like roasted crickets if you have ever had them.

Beans too, but not too much for obvious reasons, although when you eat them normally you don't get gas from them. The gassy response is a digestive thing that people who don't eat beans get.

Soy you cant do because you don't have sufficient estrogen blockers on a vegan diet to deal with the hormone response; which is actually a problem for vegan bb's

and you don't really need a 1lbs per lbs of body weight, that's a BB metric for guys who are 220+ at least. You can easily to 150g at 200lbs and be fine.

Keep in mind this guy had crazy dedication, if he was a normal bb eating meat he would probably been huge, or pushing on his natty limit at least.

[Anonymous No.6440492]

>>6440437
that's pretty stupid

even if you were a nihilist who doesn't care about widespread destruction, somebody else might, which obviously makes it a moral issue

[Anonymous No.6440494]

>>6440440
I suppose every form of strictly unnecessary energy expenditure could be deemed immoral then, such as living in anything bigger than a 15 m2 room, or taking a plane for a conference or holidays.

I'm truly sorry, but I just cannot abide by such a monacal code of conduct. Sometimes I admire devoted liberals, it is such a strongly morally constraining way of life to be a true to himself left-leaning individual, a real sacerdoce. It's just too much for me.

[Anonymous No.6440498]

>>6439929

Because it's elitist as fuck.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/german-neo-nazis-embrace-vegan-cooking-techno-music-hipster-clothes-n271576

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler_and_vegetarianism

[Anonymous No.6440514]

>>6440498
>making vegetarianism dangerous and cool

stop

[Anonymous No.6440534]

>>6440514
Psst, hey, kid, you want some carrot?

[Anonymous No.6440542]

>>6440492
It might make it a moral issue for him if he is so spooked he doesn't like global warming. Not for me though.

[Anonymous No.6440567]

>>6440498
>translating "straight edge" into "gerade kante"

everything hurts and nothing is beautiful

[Anonymous No.6440604]

>>6439929

The deontological argument for not eating animals doesn't exist, because they aren't rational. The nichomachean argument for not eating animals is bunk because I neither feel bad about killing them nor about their being killed, in addition to the fact that total systemic arrest of a violent action would only prompt the inner humanity to seek it's natural bloodlust from other possibly worse outlets. Like a man who say that zero drinking is moderate, he might slip into a a worse habit, like cheating on his wife.

Utilitarian is more interesting, i heard an argument by a gentleman who said that as we have the power and the societal organizational capacity to NOT eat meat, we have the civic responsibility NOT to, because the animals are capable of feeling joy and pain and killing them is therefore bad and so forth. My counter arguments are looslye organized, but good enough for me. The animals themselves derive a level of intrinsic pleasure from living, the feeling of sun on their face, the oppportunity to breed, etcetera. These conditions would not exist if they were free range or the planet was composed of vegetarians. We wouldn't breed them, because we wouldn't need the food product. The die off would be Apocalyptic, at least on the animal scale. How many pigs would we actually need if we weren't eating them? 10% of our current number? less? That's a 90% population declination. Catastrophe for pig kind. No, though slaughter ends their lives it does not necessarily affect the happiness or perceived happiness of their lives up to that point. What we can do, as they are not rational enough to utilize their free will to construct a better system for themselves, is improve the comfort of the system they are in. Make it a little more mobile, give them room to root and shit on themselves. Other than that, there's the epicurean argument that meat tastes good, and improves the musculature and iron levels of the species, and therein does a large amount of good.

I'd say it's ethical by utilitarianism. Oh yeah. This has all been ethics. Morals are really quite bunk if you don't have a logical backing or a God saying not to do it. That being said, I'm a Catholic who abstains from both pork and steak.

[Anonymous No.6440613]

>>6440010

I want all of these, but i'm not sure how to ask for them. Is there a Kierkegaard?

[Anonymous No.6440618]

>>6440494
I'm not a liberal though

this is a tangent, really, but the way Americans conceptualise political alignment is really funny

>liberal: trying to be responsible, thinking about moral stuff, applying restraint (=being a hypocrite)
>conservative: just doing what the fuck you want (=being honest)

you would expect it to be the other way round, i.e. conservatives want to conserve stuff and liberals want to be libertarians

[Anonymous No.6440626]

>>6440604
That's always the great issue of utilitarianism innit? You can always weight living in suffering vs. living in good conditions, but you really can't weight not existing vs. anything else in a non arbitrary manner.

[Anonymous No.6440640]

>>6440618
I ain't even American, and to be honest I was plagiariazing Fabrice Luchini.
Also I don't think I'm right wing either, or at least I'm not a conservative. I just feel the moral injuction from the left is simply way stronger today. Nobody takes conservative/christian moral injunctions seriously outside of those who are already conservative and christian, but everyone is pressured to be a good eco-citizen.

[Anonymous No.6440648]

>>6440626

Yes. I also feel like the whole "Inherent happiness of living" drifts a little too close to deontological ethics for my taste. Just me?

[Anonymous No.6440652]

>>6440489
>if he was a normal bb eating meat he would probably been huge, or pushing on his natty limit at least.

If he would be any bigger, it would just be more weight+fat. He wouldn't have any more or less muscle, but it would be easier to consume more calories and thus be bigger.

[Anonymous No.6440653]

>>6439929
refusing to eat meat makes about as much sense as refusing to read white authors.

Like literature the culinary arts are... an art. I don't understand why anyone would willingly deny themselves of culture, or purposefully narrow their minds against art, or impose themselves with self-censorship. It just doesn't make sense.

And let's not forget that vegetarianism is modern and strictly American in its origin, like Scientology.

[Anonymous No.6440658]

>>6440498
Hitler wasn't actually a vegetarian, this propaganda has been proven wrong many times. It was to get him to look like a good person, that is all.

[Anonymous No.6440659]

>>6440618

>Not realizing it's based entirely on the two modes of criminal punishment from Dostoyevsky's Crime and Punishment

The liberals are the progressive model for society, the conservative are the punishment orient. Bruh.

[Anonymous No.6440661]

>>6440653
low quality bait

[Anonymous No.6440667]

>>6440661
respond nigga

[Anonymous No.6440668]

>>6440653

I agree with your conclusion, but this is a shit argument. The restriction of meat must not be considered necessarily deleterious to the art form, because the individual piece or dish is independent from the construct of the art as a whole. Vegetarianism therein may simply be a style that restricts its input components, like work from Picasso's blue period.

Kept reading and realized the trol. 6/10 for making me respond, and for initial subtlety.

[Anonymous No.6440675]

Because
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jq_OhlQ0ZkA

[Anonymous No.6440680]

>>6440648
Sort of, I simply believe utilitarian ethics actually don't prescript anything at all, that it is content-free, and is just a way of formalizing existing ethical issue. If you want to land on your feet, you have to make choices about valuation, and to do that you have to resort to another ethical system.

[Anonymous No.6440683]

>>6440653
No joke I spent 30 seconds working out how Neil Gaiman was meant to be releated to the former soviet states before I realised my definintion of cis is not the same as hers. I wondered why people kept making so little sense talking about cis.

[Anonymous No.6440685]

>>6440146

[Anonymous No.6440690]

>>6440653
>>6440668
What is South East asia.

[Anonymous No.6440693]

>>6440690

What IS South East Asia? Care to elaborate?

[Anonymous No.6440695]

>>6439929
There's six people in that picture, but the "latest studies", which haven't been cited, tell me that one in three Americans are obese and an additional quarter are obese.

If that's true, shouldn't there only be two people on the left, and one on the right? What a terrible graphic.

[Anonymous No.6440705]

>>6440693
>And let's not forget that vegetarianism is modern and strictly American in its origin.
Jainism, Buddhism and even Hinduism, mandate, advocate and advocate vegetarianism respectively. Vegetarianism is not an American invention, such a statement could hardly be further from the truth.

[Anonymous No.6440706]

Moral choice? I don't eat fucking bengal tigers, there's plenty of cows to go around. You should try some beef, you might like it

[Anonymous No.6440709]

>>6440640
>I just feel the moral injuction from the left is simply way stronger today.

this is probably true, the ethical character of leftism is genealogically christian after all.

honestly, I personally don't care about "environmental ethics" at all... I just recognise the fact that the course of events that is currently unfolding is destructive (in the heideggerian sense: it will severely limit the possibility of living a meaningful life sometime in the future) and this is not in my interest, nor in the interest of the people I care about.

[Anonymous No.6440713]

I'm vegetarian because I like Indian vegetarian food, the 500 million vegetarians (lacto-vegetarian) in India agree with me.

[Anonymous No.6440717]

>>6440705

I'm the other guy, I'm just wondering what you meant. I would NOT call India SE Asia.

[Anonymous No.6440724]

>>6440717
Yeah my bad that was unclear meant to say India and SE asia.

[Anonymous No.6440735]

>>6439935
>>6440000
>Not realising that egoism is the biggest spook of them all

This is where Stirnerites always fail.

[Anonymous No.6440743]

>>6440735
Only if you turn it into some sort of morally constraining egoism, like in Rand little cult where people actually feel guilty about having compassion for a friend.

[Anonymous No.6440760]

>>6440668
>like work from Picasso's blue period.
yeah, but that was a period. Picasso didn't decide to abstain from the color red for the rest of his life.

If you're saying vegetarianism is just a phase you go through for the sake of trying new things, like Picasso's blue period, then I agree with you.

I'm not a vegetarian, but I can still enjoy vegetarian dishes from time to time. A vegetarian cannot say the same regarding carnivorous dishes because he's too busy flaying his back like a member of the Opus Dei.

>>6440690
a place where eating fried crickets is the norm?

[Anonymous No.6440763]

>>6439929
I teleogically suspend the ethical.

[Anonymous No.6440765]

>>6440274
>I didn't imply that at all
It was kind of tucked away in your statistic. People who become vegetarians are generally more health conscious than people who eat both meat and veg. They're more likely to go jogging, or whatever.

Source: Can't remember, don't care. I'm not in medicine. In R v Smith, however, the defendant choked to death on a vegetable and--

[Anonymous No.6440772]

>>6440451
>>6440446
Nice post, appreciated it.

[Anonymous No.6440786]

>>6440760
>If you're saying vegetarianism is just a phase you go through for the sake of trying new things, like Picasso's blue period, then I agree with you.

What if I told you that some people stay vegetarian for their whole life.

[Anonymous No.6440796]

>>6440786
Then I think those people are nuts for depriving themselves of all that the culinary arts can offer.

Like people who refuse to read white authors are depriving themselves of the western canon.

[Anonymous No.6440802]

>>6440796
I think its nuts that people are depriving themselves of Heroin. Why don't people want to experience everything life has to offer?

[Anonymous No.6440809]

>>6440802
Given the amount of people who convert to vegetarianism, I doubt meat is as addictive.

[Anonymous No.6440816]

>>6440802
Eating a chicken breast isn't comparable to taking illegal drugs that will cause your body to rot.

Hopefully you're just playing devil's advocate and aren't actually retarded.

[Anonymous No.6440820]

>>6440796
i didn't know reading white authors caused massive amounts of pollution, deforestation, pain, suffering, and health problems? good analogy! and this is coming from a chef - if anything, working in culinary while abstaining from utilizing meat is an art unto itself, as it takes much more talent, knowledge, and a more refined palette than simply using meat because it's the "norm."

[Anonymous No.6440828]

>>6440816
>illegal drugs
so alcohol is okay? Is someone not allowed to make an informed decision about eating meat as they would taking a drug? The overconsumption of meat can ruin a person's life.

There are arguments to be made against vegetarianism. Not experiencing everything life has to offer is not one of them.

[Anonymous No.6440830]

to me eating animals is probably the most fun and delicious way to assert your physical and moral superiority over other living beings as a member of the human race

[Anonymous No.6440834]

>>6440830
what about killing animals? Surely that's a way more potent action.

[Anonymous No.6440839]

>>6440830
If you're wondering if I'd fuck you, I would.

[Anonymous No.6440842]

>>6440830
what a man

[Anonymous No.6440843]

>>6440830
Damn, anon.

[Anonymous No.6440853]

I'm vegan, but I'm not concerned about convincing people to being vegan because I think that everyone will eventually be vegan, it's just a matter of time. You may argue that advertising for it today can save animals and so on, but I don't think so, I think it only builds people's resistance. The food in our table is a failure in many senses (not only in terms of meat/no meat) and is bound to fall apart.

It may take a while and our generation will still have a lot of elders complaining about how there is no meat to eat and how it was better back then, etc.

But I'm not worried at all, raise whatever argument you have. All of that is being said on it will one day sink in on you. Be honest and patient about it and you'll soon find yourself one day defending vegetarianism in complete honesty like you wouldn't imagine yourself doing today.

[Anonymous No.6440884]

Put a toddler in a crib with a live rabbit and an apple. What do you think he is going to eat? Humans are natural herbivores.

I mean, if you want to hunt down animals with your bare hands and eat the meat raw without bleeding it, be my guest, but it's certainly not practical.

[Anonymous No.6440891]

>>6440820
>[eating meat causes] massive amounts of pollution, deforestation, pain, suffering, and health problems?

Pollution is, unfortunately, a part of human life. Unless you ride a bike everywhere, get your electricity from non-nuclear power plants, and abstain from all electronic devices, I don't want to hear it. Don't even try to claim we should abstain from something because it pollutes, and then hypocritically endorse other modernized industries. Even carrots come in plastic bags with printed ink driven by machines burning fuel and being shipped round the world.

>deforestation
This coming from someone who lives in a country that was once all forest, no doubt. What's going on in South America for the cattle industry is no doubt bad, but neither is over-farming or the intrinsic need for stronger pesticides that comes with mass producing fruits and vegetables on an industrial scale. This isn't a problem with meat, it's a problem of overpopulation.

>pain, suffering
are you referring to the pain and suffering of cattle or of humans? If the former, no one gives a shit. If the later, it's their own fault for eating too much.

>health problems
I don't care if some fat bloke is too retarded to have a healthy and balanced diet. Not everyone who enjoys meat is eating ribeye and gravy every day.

TL;DR: lamb chops are delicious and nothing you say or do will ever make me want to stop eating them.

[Anonymous No.6440898]

>>6440891
Is reduction not worth anything to you?

[Anonymous No.6440899]

>>6440830
you mean intellectual superiority. Physical superiority hardly applies, I mean have you ever tried wrestling a bear?

[Anonymous No.6440908]

>>6439929
>It's the obvious moral choice.

Morality was beheaded 55 years before Danton by an analogous device and for the same reasons.

[Anonymous No.6440910]

>>6440899
>tried
Been there, done that.
Throw a tough one at me.

[Anonymous No.6440914]

>>6440891
Not even on veggie's side, but why do you take the time to produce such shitty arguments?

>"Things are just like that!"

Jesus, /lit/, step up

[Anonymous No.6440917]

>>6440910
I didn't know Putin browsed /lit/, no wonder Russia is in a shitty state

[Anonymous No.6441001]

>>6440914
Humans produce waste, son. Unless you can think of a way to genetically remove our buttholes it's always going to be that way.

Sorry if the truth gets in the way of your unobtainable utopia.