Why are conservatives stuck on the romantics (and conflating it with modesty)? Modern art is both sublimely frightening and beautiful.

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Anonymous Mon Apr 20 17:33:28 2015 No.6430760 [Reply] [Original]

Why are conservatives stuck on the romantics (and conflating it with modesty)?

Modern art is both sublimely frightening and beautiful.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 17:41:52 2015 No.6430793 >>6430760 >conservatives >like their >romantic >MORALS It was self-evident fagt

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 17:43:00 2015 No.6430798 File: 114 KB, 957x709, Victory.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6430760 Why to liberals make sweeping generations about a group of people and then get mad when conservatives do the same thing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 17:44:53 2015 No.6430806 >>6430798 *generalizations

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 17:45:29 2015 No.6430807 Conservatives like old things. Haven't you figured that out yet?

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 17:48:43 2015 No.6430818

I think modernity is pretty hard to live through. I believe that's why people still love to cling to ideals as much as before, probably more. We live in a time of flashy lights but also of anesthestics and so there is constant seeking of sugar and greatness, sublime aesthetics and so on. Hollywood and videogames basicly cover it, but visual and other arts are kept to the sides. Then, when these people turn to look, they see museums taken by a small quantity of vain collectors just raising prices, speculating and investing. They still believe in museums and capitalism as figures of authority. They still see only on a shalow technical and aesthetic level. They don't look towards what they cultivate, the art of architecture, the art of films, the art of cooking. They think it's absurd to pay millions for a paint splatter, but they don't think it is absurd to pay to drink poison like Coca-cola. There is a huge distance between high brow and low brow arts, two very conceited planes that do not interact as often as people think they do.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 17:50:16 2015 No.6430827 >>6430818 >drink poison like Coca-cola SOURCE

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 17:51:33 2015 No.6430832 >>6430818 >I think modernity is pretty hard to live through. Most of "modernist" art is basically about this and how shit everything is, why don't conservatives see this

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 17:53:00 2015 No.6430838 >>6430832 >why don't conservatives see this THEY DON'T WANT TO

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:06:14 2015 No.6430893 That piece of art is shit though OP

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:11:02 2015 No.6430914 >>6430893 Not objectively.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:17:41 2015 No.6430948 >>6430760 because art is for homos

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:28:26 2015 No.6430980

>>6430760
>Why are conservatives stuck on the romantics (and conflating it with modesty)?
because pop culture memetically planted in their heads the concept that every artistic piece made after 1930 is artsy fartsy pretentious bullshit. Most of these people complaining about contemporary art (most of the time calling it "modern") aren't really interested in any art at all.
When they complain that they don't "get it" you can safely wager that they don't really get romanticism or whatever they consider "real art".

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:29:48 2015 No.6430985 File: 37 KB, 314x400, libruls[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6430798

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:42:55 2015 No.6431020 >There are people posting in this very thread who will defend modern art Explain yourselves!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:43:53 2015 No.6431025 >>6431020 who are you quoting?

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 18:48:27 2015 No.6431042
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>there are people so bad at understanding a medium they attempt to declare all of it invalid.

>>6431025
He's not quoting, he's implying. Keep your low-brow memes elsewhere. They aren't even true memes.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 19:31:24 2015 No.6431167 >>6430760 >Modern art is both sublimely frightening and beautiful. picture not related, i hope

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:12:45 2015 No.6431295 >>6431167 find a better one (not-op)

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:14:53 2015 No.6431303

Because Conservatives are philosophically opposed to subjective notions of value and bureaucratization of judgement of taste that underline most modern art.

You can't expect the people who opposed Soviet commissars telling them what is right and wrong to suddenly support self-appointed art commissars telling them what is good and bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:19:51 2015 No.6431319 File: 13 KB, 140x140, m8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6430760 >>6430798 >>6430985 Case in point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:24:57 2015 No.6431346 Great art died with Impressionism, and has been in a slow decline ever since. > tfw there will never be more Rococo art ;_;

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:28:40 2015 No.6431363 File: 585 KB, 1200x1522, 80f4f47c3a62c84c4a8e36c7b954a518.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6430760 *was

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:31:58 2015 No.6431378 File: 163 KB, 841x457, 1424216219128[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Art clearly peaked in the 19th century.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:35:14 2015 No.6431391 >>6431378 >all that war art made it plateau. gnarly

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 20:37:00 2015 No.6431394 >>6430798 You're liberals all the way down though. Everyone on this board is a liberal including you. This board is my property.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:37:31 2015 No.6431395 >>6431378 >original graph do not steal

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:38:28 2015 No.6431398 >>6431378 fucking prager 'university'.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 20:39:06 2015 No.6431399 >>6431378 That graph is a machine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:39:29 2015 No.6431401 >>6431394 >>the concept of private property is a spook

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 20:41:24 2015 No.6431406 >>6431401 I disagree with private property. However the internet doesn't physically exist, so it is moral for me to claim this board by divine right.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:45:36 2015 No.6431418 >>6431394 >*You're classical liberals all the way down though FTFY

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:45:37 2015 No.6431419 >>6431406 >the internet doesn't physically exist ah yes, i always forget data is trascendent magic

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 20:47:05 2015 No.6431422 >>6431418 You're a liberal, stop trying to worm your way out of responsibility. >>6431419 It is information. And it is my property.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:48:55 2015 No.6431430
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>>6431378
1797= Art started 1807-1837=classical art 1847-1857 = golden age of art for old painters 1867=perfect age for avante-garde rebels 1877=improved good art and also the year for impressionists and expressionists 1887=art is still good and modernists started to appear 1888-1892=art is changing 1893=modernists but good and deep like cubism 1894=crappy art is spreading 1895=you gotta be kidding me this isn't art 1896=Picasso 1897=RIP art

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:48:58 2015 No.6431432 File: 195 KB, 1207x672, vaginawizard.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6431419 >>6431406 ?????

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:49:55 2015 No.6431437 Daily reminder the only modest romantic was Lady Caroline Lamb who wrote a roman a clef in terrible prose to explain why she and everyone else still wanted to suck Byron's cock after the sodomy.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 20:50:19 2015 No.6431439 File: 12 KB, 356x496, georgelaughing.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6431432 This board is my property now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:51:37 2015 No.6431442 >>6431439 Wasn't Michel a bottom until he got AIDS?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:52:22 2015 No.6431446 File: 21 KB, 520x646, >liberals.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6431422 If I'm a liberal than liberals are fascists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:53:18 2015 No.6431448 >>6431442 No, he was getting fucked by Analytics until the day he died.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 20:53:25 2015 No.6431449 File: 30 KB, 306x423, article-2142947-130BAA25000005DC-676_306x423.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6431442 I'm the richest man here. >>6431446 You're a liberal.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 20:54:25 2015 No.6431452 File: 42 KB, 640x360, laughing.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6431448 Board is still my property now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:56:33 2015 No.6431459 >>6431439 foucault est meilleur que toi, ppuh

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:57:08 2015 No.6431460 >>6431449 >I'm the richest man here. Wasn't Foucault more concerned with power when he became a switch? What are riches then?

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 20:58:18 2015 No.6431463 File: 20 KB, 250x250, clooney01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6431459 Board es property my own bought for little shit. >>6431460 My ability to gain the board.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:59:06 2015 No.6431466 >>6431460 the foucalt in question makes minimum wage as a security guard at a children's museum.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 20:59:29 2015 No.6431468 >>6431463 >My ability to gain the board. That's a pretty shitty limit experience; even blending a rat on /b/ is better.

Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 21:01:54 2015 No.6431486
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>>6431466

It's a warehouse you dingus. And I'm in university. I have two jobs and money. No need to be jealous, I understand property isn't something anyone can afford.

>>6431468

Nonetheless /lit/ is my property as of right now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:03:04 2015 No.6431488 >>6431463 j'ai dit: pppppppppuh!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:03:08 2015 No.6431490 >>6431486 >Nonetheless /lit/ is my property as of right now. Why would you void your previous claims?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:03:21 2015 No.6431492 >>6431430 >1797= Art started the first production of an art occurred in 1795. it was a song called ye olde heltere skeltere and many people consider it the first wood song. 1797 is derivative

I Does the Police in Different(...) Mon Apr 20 21:04:40 2015 No.6431494
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>>6430760
Ha, I've never meet a conservative who didn't identify neo-classical enlightenment art and architecture as not only the pinnacle of high art, but quite possibly the only legitimate form high art.

And it's not even classical art they like; it has to be neo-classical. Take them Washington D.C. and watch them gawk in awe at the colonnades, porticoes and giant dome cupolae and all the marble statuaries and crap. But take them to Greece or Rome and they will fidget about skeptically like a child who is forcing down his vegetables.

Sometimes they do have a bucolic sentiment that appears a bit romantic, but it is never the "terrific precipice of the infinite void" sort of high romanticism, more like populist volkskraft mixed up with Franklin, Burke and Dickens.

And a lot of liberals aren't really great with Modern art either, but that is usually because they are too undisciplined to develop genuine aesthetic insight, instead gulping down glossy Macintosh products, gauche continental coffees, Ikea furniture and collections of hand bags or whatever. .

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 21:04:45 2015 No.6431495 File: 26 KB, 300x400, George-Clooney_l.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6431490 Because it's my property dumb fuck! >>6431488 Calm down, I know this is a lot to take in.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:06:14 2015 No.6431499 >>6431495 >Because it's my property dumb fuck! It wasn't the majority of times you claimed it ITT by your own admission. Why should I believe you now?

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 21:07:05 2015 No.6431506 >>6431499 Why should I believe you? It's my property.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:07:25 2015 No.6431509 >>6431495 t'es dégoûtant !

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:07:28 2015 No.6431511 >>6431378 Why did you remind me that video exists god damnit I won't even sleep right now.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:08:04 2015 No.6431512 >>6431506 I'm not asking for your belief; your belief is cheap.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 21:08:34 2015 No.6431515 File: 114 KB, 190x281, 1429389509508.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6431509 The only disgusting thing is your lack of real estate.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:09:07 2015 No.6431516 >>6431494 they like rockwell too and generally any kind of photorealism

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 21:09:35 2015 No.6431517 File: 29 KB, 306x423, article-2577897-12D2A716000005DC-848_306x423.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6431512 This board is cheap. Just like your mother.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:11:08 2015 No.6431522 >>6431517 >This board is cheap. And yet you can't afford it off payment plan. >Just like your mother. She lays, not does layaway.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 21:12:18 2015 No.6431531 >>6431522 I own this board. It is my property. Get a fucking job you lazy sack of shit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:14:09 2015 No.6431541 >>6431515 je suis en train d'appeler le commissariat !

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 21:14:48 2015 No.6431545 >>6431541 Calling the police can't save you. Not this time.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:15:03 2015 No.6431548 >>6431531 You really suck at panopticon projection, why would I think you have property?

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 21:15:51 2015 No.6431553 >>6431548 This board is my property if you like it or not bitch.

Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:16:02 2015 No.6431556

Is modern art a thing of its own, or an experiment towards an end?

If its an experiment we can explain why people shit on it incessantly. First drafts are usually bad. And it can only be called beautiful for its potential. Also, we explain why people are trying to integrate what was learned with older traditions. If awkwardly, as in Vapor Wave album covers. Of course, modernists themselves say that they are experimenting too, so there's that.

It's hard to defend modernist art as end in itself.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:16:42 2015 No.6431561 >>6431553 No, that is not how property or control works; it's a social construct.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 21:17:40 2015 No.6431567 >>6431561 Exactly. So this board is mine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:18:55 2015 No.6431575 >>6431567 Nope.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 21:19:33 2015 No.6431581 >>6431575 Yep. My property.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:20:51 2015 No.6431588 >>6431581 Are you supposed to be like emo faggot fifteen year old I cut myself Foucault when he was trying to get out of class? He owned more property than you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:22:23 2015 No.6431597 >>6431581 est-ce que nous pouvez le partager ?

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 21:22:57 2015 No.6431602 >>6431588 >>6431597 Mine. This board is mine.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:24:06 2015 No.6431610 >>6431602 If it's only meant to be you that's internalising this, I see no reason in posting it. Perhaps you are trying to devalue the board to your price range?

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 21:24:42 2015 No.6431613 >>6431610 Dude shut the fuck up this board is my property now. Fucking get a job.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:25:23 2015 No.6431616 >>6431613 Tell you what, I'll sell the board to you.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Mon Apr 20 21:27:08 2015 No.6431627 >>6431616 How can you sell to me what is already mine asshole

>>	I Does the Police in Different(...) Mon Apr 20 21:27:32 2015 No.6431629 >>6431346 >Rococo barf my fucking guts up, the only people who can get away with liking rococo are old ladies who smell of overpowering lavender

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:28:15 2015 No.6431634 >>6431627 Why do you want to buy it so bad? That's going to add about another three fitty to the asking price.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:31:06 2015 No.6431662 >>6431629 Some days I wish there were monarchs again just to support the arts in such an opulent manner. Bill Gates should put some of those billions towards the arts instead of curing malaria. Versailles 2.0, so to speak.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 21:54:14 2015 No.6431808 >>6431430 >only religious art before romanticism >romanticism begins in 1848 >romanticism ends, realism begins, and quality goes up chart discarded

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>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 22:07:42 2015 No.6431876 Because Conservatives think artists have it too easy. Then they see a romantic painting and go "that looks difficult, why don't you do that instead? It even has a pretty lady or muscular guy on it. I might look at that.". It's jealousy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 22:15:50 2015 No.6431927 >>6431662 you realise celebrities are basically this, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 22:19:47 2015 No.6431946 >>6431627 j'possède ton cul maintenant !

>>	The cats Mon Apr 20 22:21:27 2015 No.6431955 >>6431876 Yeah going to college for 9 years in the same major to get drunk and build cement monstrosities that get thrown out must be incredibly trying.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 23:33:03 2015 No.6432215 >>6431946 j'possède ceci maintenant !

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 20 23:50:13 2015 No.6432279 >>6431946 >>6432215 HE LEFT IT IS ALL MINE THE BOARD IS MINE HAHAHA

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:05:00 2015 No.6433140 >>6430760 >>6431516 I think it's because conservatives tend to value skill over creativity, and the skill involved in modern art is not nearly as apparent as in Romantic art.

Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:17:35 2015 No.6433150

>>6430760
Its not about being "conservatives" in the political or economical sense of the word. Its about being new to art, being unfamiliar with art history.
You can be an ethnic minority socialist atheist lesbian Who is pro choice and not like post modern art.
People new to art, have a lot of aesthetic art to take in, they have not yet experienced it and felt they needed something different.
They dont know that a lot of their favorite classical era paintings were shocking for their time, pushing the frontiers of what was allowed by the ruling powers or favored by the populace.

>>6430818
I think this is mostly bullshit. Its always easy to think that the time you live in is somehow historically special. post modernity is not hard to live through at least in the west. We today, have so much aesthetic art its unbelievable. Aesthetic things are also widely available to be experienced even if its not first hand and is done through a tv or computer screen.
It again has to do with what one is interested in. If you are specifically interested in art you will enjoy modern and post modern art. If you dont care much about art you will enjoy the purely aesthetic classical era works which are accepted by all as "works of art". The dilettante art lover will cling to these since they are both simply to enjoy and universally accepted.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:21:27 2015 No.6433156 >>6431430 Since when did art start in the 18th century and not in prehistory?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:43:32 2015 No.6433191 >>6433156 >not knowing the maymay educate yourself

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:46:01 2015 No.6433196 >>6433156 Just realised it might actually be hard to find the source so here you go http://i.imgur.com/6xakDFJ.jpg

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:49:55 2015 No.6433206 >>6433196 Bah im on monitored and restricted network atm.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 05:57:27 2015 No.6433219 >>6433206 And yet here you are on fucking 4chan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 06:10:54 2015 No.6433241 >>6433219 I dont know, this minotring system is not very consistent, I think it has certain problems with images..I have no idea how it works.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 21 07:07:17 2015 No.6433334 >>6431378 fucking critical theory amirite

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