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What book should Columbia add to their Literature Humanities class?http://www.theinternet.io/pages/columbia-university-to-add-new-text-to-literature-humanities-course-for-2016.html

>> No.6421645
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6421645

The only one I can think that kind of meets the criteria is Jamaica Kincade's A Small Place, but it is a bit fiction

>> No.6421670

I can't think of anything that both meets those criteria and belongs on that list.

>> No.6421680

>>6421670
Ya, it seems so specific, that I think they will have to compromise on at least one of them.

>> No.6421681

Lol retards misspelled Monteverdi and Bruegel: https://www.college.columbia.edu/core/comparativechart

>> No.6421691

>>6421681
>this is the ivy league

>> No.6421701

I think they should add Neon Genesis Evangelion adn Dark Souls.

>> No.6421718

>>6421701
lol they actually were thinking about including a graphic novel so I wonder if that came up.

>> No.6421722

>>6421718
I'll bet it was Watchmen.

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>>6421722
I'll bet you watch men.

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>>6421722
>>6421961
#rekt

>> No.6421983

>>6421722
I thought Maus was the go-to graphic novel when it comes to academia.

>> No.6422018

>>6421983
>being this pleb
>it's all about Persepolis

>> No.6422022

>>6421983
>>6422018
Another possibility if they do just 2 seconds of research (unlikely) is something by Chris Ware

>> No.6422097

>>6421629
I'm surprised more people aren't pissed about this. I guess I keep forgetting /lit/ isn't /pol/.

>> No.6422138

>>6422097
pissed about what exactly? Am I missing something

>> No.6422143

The legacy of totalitarianism in a tundra By anonymous would be a fine addition

>> No.6422150

>>6422097
It's kidn of gay and faggoty I guess

>> No.6422151

>>6422138
Not the guy you're responding to, but if I had to guess I'd say he's talking about:

>2. The author is a woman.
>4. The work should engage with race.

>> No.6422371

>>6422151
Yep, this is pretty much it. I am actually in favor of those criteria, but I thought 4chan was more full of sexist racists. I usually go on /b/, /pol/, and /r9k/, so I may have a skewed view.

>> No.6422461

>the bounty for this page is $75
>Pay Now
What is this shit? Am I supposed to pay for reading a publicly accessible webpage?

>> No.6422468

What about something by Toni Morrison? Then it has a good chance of actually being somewhat pleasing to read.

>> No.6422470

>>6422468
She's American adn mostly writes novels.

>> No.6422475

>>6422461
For every page I ever create, I will assign a bounty to it. If, collectively, visitors donate enough to reach that bounty, the content of the page will be deleted. If one person donates twice the bounty, he or she will be able to decide the content of that webpage.
http://theinternet.io/static/what-is-this.html

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>>6422468
1. The work is not a novel
2. The author is a woman
3. The author is not a U.S. citizen
4. The work should engage with race

The only thing that works is Diary of a Young Girl by Anne frank...

>> No.6422493

>>6422480
This all sounds incredibly arbitrary.

Why not just make #4 the ONLY criteria? That seems like it's the most important one of them all. The idea is the most important.

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>>6422480
That isn't from the last 50 years, though.

>> No.6422621

>>6421645
Ya I think this is the best yet. I literally can't think of another one to save my life.

>> No.6422652

>>6422475
This bothers me. I don't know why, exactly... But it bothers me.

>> No.6422693

>>6422652
Why? I feel like it's a commentary on the capitalistic culture in which we live. Money buys expression.

>> No.6422695

>>6422693
>Money buys expression.
Ahh, there it is.

>> No.6422700

>>6422695
What is it?

>> No.6422729

>>6422695
>>6422700
I'm too drunk. I'm just looking for symbolism wherever

>> No.6422738

>>6421629
"There's no SJW agenda you're just making that up."

>> No.6422760

>>6422738
explain

>> No.6422773

>the majority of recorded history, only men were able to create literary works

Someone whos more knowledgeable in whatever that makes you convinced you could comment on this statement, help me out please. What the fuck does this even mean? Ive heard this thrown around before, and it has never made sense to me.

Why did more non-white european males just not fucking write more? Is it just a literacy thing? Is it really true that enough women, in comparison to men, have been physically unable to read and write in history to the point where a canon needs to be actively skewed in order to compensate?

>> No.6422853

>>6422773
Literacy plays a major part in it. Also, paper was just fucking expensive back in the day. There also were no typewriters or anything so writing would take a lot of free time, something that was only available to the aristocracy. Plus, a lot of the written record was lost over time so only the most popular works survived meaning that if a woman or non-European did write something it may have just been lost through time. There are so many contributing factors to why women aren't represented in classic literature.

>> No.6422865

>>6422760
Did you read the article? They're looking for a book written by a woman about race preferably.

>> No.6422866

>>6422773
The statement is kind of exaggerated but the I guess the idea they're trying to make is that women and non-whites due to either lack of education (illiterate) and/or their position in society. Women of any race were hardly seen doing anything other than household duties and worshipping their husbands/kids on a constant basis.

Kate Chopin's The Awakening was very controversial and received negative reviews when it was first published in around 1900. Same with Flaubert's Madame Bovary. But once women were beginning to become accepted into fields other than "housewife", they became classic pieces in feminism.

Theres most likely more reasons than that, but I think this is the main idea of women's under-representation in classic literature.

>> No.6422881

>>6422773
Yep this
>>6422866
pretty much explains it.
And that struggle continued on until the 1900s while writing began more than 2000 years ago.

>> No.6422887

>>6422865
>implying that balancing out a heavily male skewed syllabus and incorporating pressing issues is a SJW agenda.

>> No.6422913

>>6421629
they should add some dank memes LOL

>> No.6422996

>>6422773
There's a whole fucking corpus of non-white non-european literature. There are truly exalted literary classics in China. In the same way that people can major in Shakespearean Literature, people can major in Hongxue (Redology) in China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redology

Make no mistake, great writers exist everywhere throughout history. I do not blame westerners for being ignorant about these things. But their ignorance is not due to the fact that these great classical artists don't exist, it's just that our languages act as filters.

Today, I bet /lit/ can list many great English literary figures, some giants in other still-Western countries, but only the most towering figures in anybody elses' history.

>> No.6423090

>>6422996
This is true, but this particular thread is focused on the Western canon which hasn't really been influenced much by Chinese literature.

>> No.6423112

>>6422866
>Kate Chopin's The Awakening was very controversial and received negative reviews when it was first published in around 1900. Same with Flaubert's Madame Bovary. But once women were beginning to become accepted into fields other than "housewife", they became classic pieces in feminism.

Everyone I've ever met has thought the awakening was atrocious

I mostly know girls, too

>> No.6423114

>A source that wishes to remain anonymous has told me...

Thoroughly not credible.

>> No.6423196

>>6423114
I guess not, but who would even go through the trouble of making something like this up?

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>>6422913
agreed

>> No.6423271

>>6423112
I can see why they find it like that since the main character goes to great extremes to break out of society. Her actions dont really reflect the modern day woman, even when the modern day woman has a lot more independence and choices than back when The Awakening was published.

The piece merely demonstrates how 19th century women need to have their own awakening, sexually and emotionally. Then again, it would still come down to the question of how to awaken correctly. In my opinion, and I could imagine many others today, the main character does it incorrectly.