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"Onceideology,whichistheabstractwilltouniversalityandtheillusionthereof,findsitself legitimatedinmodernsocietybyuniversalabstractionandbytheeffectivedictatorshipofillusion, thenitisnolongerthevoluntaristicstruggleofthefragmentary,butratheritstriumph.Theclaims ofideologynowtakeonasortofflat,positivisticexactness:ideologyisnolongerahistoricalchoice, butsimplyanassertionoftheobvious.Namesofparticularideologieshavevanished.Theportionof properlyideologicallaborservingthesystemmaynolongerbeconceivedofotherthanintermsof an"epistemologicalbase"supposedlytranscendingallspecificideologicalphenomena.Ideologyin materialformisitselfwithoutaname,justasitiswithoutaformulablehistoricalagenda.Whichis anotherwayofsayingthatthehistoryofideologies,plural,isover."

how do we kill capitalism

pls help

>> No.6409978

yes

>> No.6410000
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6410000

>>6409972

>I'm having trouble parsing your question,

>> No.6410568

>>6409972
>how do we kill capitalism
why would you want to?

>> No.6410608

>>6410568
it inherently puts people on the bottom, and has lead to huge multinational corporations having the most power and control over the world, with governments being close to obsolete. it leads to further separation of the proletariat from itself, and the estrangement of labor. it was useful for a while, but it's already being phased out.

shouldn't we try to accelerate the process if we can? did your momma drop you and you read too much burke?

>> No.6410609

>>6410608
If you're going to filter one tripfag, make it that guy

>> No.6410611

>>6409972
>Whichis anotherwayofsayingthatthehistoryofideologies,plural,isover

What are we supposed to do in a post-historic society? Where do we even go?

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>>6409972
baudrillard's fatal strategies? Which make no sense to me. We're fucking stuck. Society is over now, just turn away as much as you can, maybe look at grass very closely for the rest of your life.

just make sure to avoid conservatives, liberals, MBA students, boomers, teachers, police, doctors, psychiatrists, social workers, managers, assistant managers, consumerism, anti-consumerism.

You can kill capitalism in your own life, but you can't kill capitalism anymore, you just have to wait if you really want that.

>> No.6410707

>>6410702

Whats wrong with MBAs?

>> No.6410712

>>6409972
i didnt realize until just now Debord is pretty much orthodox marxism.

I like that, let's bring that back.

>> No.6410713

>>6409972
>how do we kill capitalism
Pro-tip: Praxis.

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>>6410611

deeper.

>> No.6410717

>>6410707
one of the shittiest groups of functionaries in existence. they try to be functionaries so so very hard, most of the rest of my list don't even realize they're doing it, and get at least tiny bits of external reward whilst being a functionary. MBA is like functionary personified, and taken pride in. That is something abhorrent and deeply ignorant.

>> No.6410718

By taking out the financial elite.

Yet Marxists still think it's somehow corporations, politicians and police officers.

>> No.6410720

>>6410611

The main ambition of post-historics seems to be to become Last Men and winking.

>> No.6410722

>>6410713
you mean 'join your union' lol as if

>> No.6410728

>>6410718
marxists seem to want to fight the war in the superstructure at this point. even like Hardt and Zizek and Badiou and on and on...

I agree with you that we need to attack the base again.

>> No.6410732

>>6410718

>financial elite

So Jews?

>> No.6410736

>>6410717
Implying functionary labor is meaningless

Implying functional MBA conformity is not a better reality than your neet literary lifestyle

Implying functionaries aren't the basis of a functional society

>> No.6410757

>>6410611
>post-historical
>Implying the end of the ideology wars is the end of history
>Implying you can escape history

>> No.6410759

>>6410757

Hegel fags and everything after that honestly believe that humanity will reach a point of stasis someday.
Or that such a thing is even desireable.

>> No.6410773

>>6410736
fucking talcott parsons with an MBA degree over here thinks he is more than a piece of shit huh? lol

>> No.6410775

>>6410728
>marxists seem to want to fight the war in the superstructure at this point. even like Hardt and Zizek and Badiou and on and on...
>I agree with you that we need to attack the base again.
Finance is just as superstructural.

Point of production cunts. It's simple. It's hard. Do it.

>> No.6410799

>>6410759
I'm a Hegelfag and I don't think that's an accurate understanding of the end of history. Fukuyama was only partially correct. The state itself has become the universal, while liberal democracy has been Aufgehoben and is just another socioeconomic moment in the procession of ideologies and religions. This isn't the end of history, just the end of a world-historic moment. Something big will happen in the next century and everything will change in ways that will prove history hasn't ended and has only transitioned into a new phase.

>> No.6410865

>>6410608
>it inherently puts people on the bottom
False.

>has lead to huge multinational corporations having the most power and control over the world
Cunning people exist in Communism, Monarchy, "Anarchism" (please) and Capitalism.

>governments being close to obsolete
No. This is not a science fiction novel.
Corporatism only controls taxation.
Martial law rests in the hands of the state and you can vote or run for office,
you piece of shit.

>using the word proletariat unironically
Cease to breathe.

>> No.6410869

>>6410718
The upper class organise production.
They are production craftsmen.

>> No.6410884

>>6410568

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8

>> No.6410889

>>6410608
Go back to the collective farm, comrade.

>> No.6410906

>>6409972
Reactionary revolt.

>> No.6410935

>>6410568

Because it's one of those man-made chimeras that has flown out of reach and is emptying the very substance of humanity.

It's turning entire societies into packs of grumbling beasts fortuitously brought together by the smell of lucrum, who keep looking at their feet because somehow cynicism became a quality.

If we don't shoot it down we'll devolve into the most shamefuru dispray the universe has to offer: a species that robbed itself of its power to dream.

>> No.6410946

>>6410884
>not being a radical contrarian is some how abnormal