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Writers and philosophers that talked about sports?

Nabokov and DFW liked tennis. That's all I've got.

Also, what do YOU think about sports, and their relation to the literary life? Is sports an inspiring form of art, or a waste of time? Passively speaking, just watching on TV, not practicing IRL.

>> No.6407349

>>6407343
Updike's Rabbit novels.

>> No.6407362

>Is sports an inspiring form of art, or a waste of time?

Is this a joke? Or bait? How can sport in any way be an art? Sports are literally games. When you PLAY sports, you're just doing just that, PLAYING. That being said, sports are great. People who dont do any kind of sport are lazy fucks, and its not a waste of time at all.

>> No.6407367

>>6407362
Oh kek, I'm a moron. Merely watching sports is mostly a waste of time, yes. Unless you're doing it improve your own practice of the sport.

>> No.6407369

>>6407362
Listen anon, I am sorry to break it to you but sports are not actually an art form.

>> No.6407370

>>6407349
Read only the first 10 or 30 pages. I remember a scene with someone plays basketball. But I was thinking about their non-fictional opinions from, like, interviews, but now that you mention it, passages from novels are relevant too.

>> No.6407373

>>6407343
Who cares. The terms are so flexible and subjective that it hardly matters anymore.

If a writer enjoys watching or participating in any sport, so be it, who gives a shit.

>> No.6407378

>>6407369
Myeaaa. That's what I was saying.

>> No.6407381

>Not understanding that games are all around and that effectively your life is sport

>> No.6407384

>>6407362
>How can sport in any way be an art?

I've heard many times the saying that EVERYTHING is art, in a way. There's a soccer player they used to call Mozart. Somtimes they speak of a player using the term 'magician'. Sports are a thing of beauty. They're different from a film, a painting, or a symphony, only in form... or at least it can be argued.

>> No.6407393

>>6407373
I do. I'm a weak person who spends too many hours following sports (from my computer) and I think hearing great personalities I admire talk shit about it might make feel ashamed of myself and convince me stop.

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6407399

>>6407362
When I take a shit I am performing and creating art.

The utmost disgusting rancid act of rebellion against society and its social norms! I revel in the humiliation as I smear my self with excrement and howl like the ape I am. As I tilt forward and flex each muscle in unison, I create the perfect open air art exhibit in the midst of Union Station; the hive-mind of human endeavors, desecrated by my filth!

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>>6407393
Form your will power now anon, for it is but a matter of time before you fall deeper-and-deeper into your self-loathing.

It is NOW you must conquer your-self and push forwards, if you cannot pry yourself from this idle past time, what will you be able to accomplish?

Sure you may have ten, twenty, or even a hundred false starts; but all you need is one good one. Posting here won't help. Listening to highly informed personalities won't help. The only help you can get, and the only help you need, is help you give yourself. At least for this occasion. Climb or die anon, climb or die.

>> No.6407409

Baseball is the greatest sport on earth.

>> No.6407414

Watching sports being performed at the highest level is an aesthetic experience. Especially boxing.

>> No.6407426

>>6407343
DeLillo's Underworld has bits about baseball, as far as I can't remember...

HST's works have a lot of sport references.

>> No.6407434

>>6407426
>DeLillo's Underworld has bits about baseball, as far as I can't remember...

If you'd really read it you'd surely remember that the entire opening part takes place at a baseball game, and that the baseball from the game ties the whole narrative together.

>> No.6407438

what does /lit/ think of distance running as a sport

>> No.6407442

>>6407434
Fair enough. I only read that first part and the bit about the artist spraypainting bombers in the desert, so I thought it safer to just generically mention a nebulous constellation of baseball moments, instead of going into details

>> No.6407444

>>6407414
>Especially boxing.

>Not MMA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk5LsDIUWHA

>> No.6407448

I think professional basketball can be incredibly aesthetic, particularly a good motion-based offense like the Spurs or the Hawks this season.

>> No.6407453

>>6407444
MMA is a fad for hicks.

>> No.6407460

>>6407444
>aesthetic experience
>before the video proper even starts, my ears have been molested by the shittiest music known to man

>> No.6407461

>>6407453
>MMA is a fad for hicks.

Pretty sure you're talking about the WWE trash.

>> No.6407475

>>6407460
>Videos on youtube are supposed to be an aesthetic experience

Let me guess, you also look at a photo of Mona Lisa instead of actually going to the Louvre?

>> No.6407482

>>6407414
This. I find a well played soccer sequence beautiful.

>> No.6407483

what about e-sports

>> No.6407492

>>6407483
I enjoy Hearthstone and DotA2, it's kind of interesting to see how the meta-game interacts with the game itself.

>> No.6407513

>>6407492
what does that even mean

>> No.6407515

>>6407409
Delillo fan detected.

>> No.6407535

>>6407513
balance adjustments are made based off of what strats become most effective over time

>> No.6408768

>>6407438
for loners

>> No.6408781

Camus wrote: "“Everything I know about morality and the obligations of men, I owe it to football."

>> No.6408802

>>6407362
sports being games doesn't make them not art. there's no written or unwritten rule that states this in like The Big Book of Art

>> No.6408923

>>6407414
Yup. >>6407438
Probably something interesting to be said about mental fortitude.

>> No.6409049

>>6407343
boxing is pretty literary imo

most of the greek philosophers were wrestlers.

I think some level of regular physical activity is crucial to have interesting thoughts. It gets your blood flowing. If you are sedentary all you probably do it read, watch tv or internet. While these things (ok not tv) can be beneficial to the mind, none of them activity push one to LIVE. Sports require human contact and socializing, leaving the house, and using one's body to express itself.

>> No.6409067

>>6409049
Have you ever watched boxing or do you just like to parrot Hemmmmingway?

>> No.6409136

>>6409067
no i watch boxing on the regular and do it occasionally.

>The spectacle of human beings fighting each other for whatever reason, including, at certain well-publicized times, staggering sums of money, is enormously disturbing because it violates a taboo of our civilization. Many men and women, however they steel themselves, cannot watch a boxing match because they cannot allow themselves to see what it is they are seeing. One thinks helplessly, This can’t be happening, even as, and usually quite routinely, it is happening. In this way boxing as a public spectacle is akin to pornography: in each case the spectator is made a voyeur, distanced, yet presumably intimately involved, in an event that is not supposed to happening as it is happening. The pornographic "drama," though as fraudulent as professional wrestling, makes a claim for being about something absolutely serious, if not humanly profound: it is not so much about itself as about the violation of a taboo. That the taboo is spiritual rather than physical, or sexual — that our most valuable human experience, love, is being is being desecrated, parodied, mocked — is surely at the core of our culture’s fascination with pornography. - Joyce Carol Oates "On Boxing"

>> No.6410021

I did vball and soccer intramurals in uni but haven't since; don't feel like dropping hundreds to just join a team/league plus I'm not that good. But sports is pretty fun, especially with friends, not that literary. Watching sports is probably one of the most retarded things you can do.