what is the difference between "moral" and "justified"

[Anonymous No.6404864]

what is the difference between "moral" and "justified"

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[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6404872]

Whatever distinction the person who uses those words adds. Same with the distinction between moral and ethical.

[Anonymous No.6404880]

>>6404872
but doesn't justification require other people?

[Anonymous No.6404884]

>>6404864
Moral: what we should do

Justified: supported by reason(s)

[Anonymous No.6404885]

Justified means a justification has been offered. The assumption is the justification is agreed as correct by all, it rarely is though.

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6404888]

>>6404880
No.

>"I'm trying to lose weight, but I've been really good on my diet today so eating this chocolate-covered tampon is justified."

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6404892]

>>6404885
Not really, justified can simply mean "just" if you want it to. Plus it can be something like "morality justifies me."

[Anonymous No.6404896]

Probably depends upon whatever ethical system you're considering.

[Anonymous No.6404915]

>>6404896
Well how about a Muslim is in an american bar.
he is justified by the law to drink alcohol if he is over 21 but it is not necessarily moral to him.

[Anonymous No.6404930]

>>6404892
Yes 'justified' is often used to mean 'just' It is a sleight of language to allow a weak justification to appear to be agreed on by all. 'Just' itself doesn't mean correct, it means fitting, a just law isn't necessarily fair.

[Anonymous No.6404933]

>>6404864
reason

[Anonymous No.6404950]

Morality compels towards a certain way to act, it comes before the act and is internal. A justification implies a dialogue and the identification of what brought that way of acting, usually by reasoning and arguing, because that game of identification and delimitation is a very intellectual one.

You cannot fake your morals, but you can "fake" a justification in trying to get away with something, for example. Justification brings moral issues away from the forces that pushes towards this or that attitude and focuses on the mapping of those forces, almost in the sense that if you can identify them and have them in accord, it makes the act more morally sound.

[Anonymous No.6404985]

>>6404950
So you are saying (if i'm getting this right) is that morality is a part of you and justification is an act that one's self conducts to explain his or her moral system in a situation?

[Anonymous No.6405022]

>>6404985
Yes, that's basicly it.

The explanation can happen within your own head (which is a dialogue nevertheless) as well as with others. When something is just within a society, that means it can be explained in that society's terms (for example, legally). If it is just within a religion, you'll probably find the answers to the act in scripture or in a sermon. Those things may or may not be moral, to oneself, to a group or to something external, because it will depend on whether the act is considered right or wrong and this consideration is more of a perception that precedes any rationalization. If these moral or immoral acts can be "tracked down", they are justified. The thing is, what is unanimously perceived as morally correct is not put into question, so it never requires a justification, hence the confusion between the two. It's only when there is a clash between morals that the need for a justification seem to appear.

[Anonymous No.6405036]

>>6405022
That make a lot of sense, thank you for the added explanation.

[Anonymous No.6405042]

>>6405036
*makes

[ΟΥΤΙΣ No.6405050]

>>6404930
It is if you think fair equates to fitting.

[twinshia No.6406476]

>>6404864
Their traditional meaning imply the same thing,
if I am not mistaken.

[twinshia No.6406478]

>>6404884
Both are the same thing,
as Ethics are defined by Reason.