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Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:08:29 2015 No.6399245 [Reply] [Original]

What is post-structuralism?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:09:31 2015 No.6399252 >>6399245 pure ideology

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:12:15 2015 No.6399266 >>6399245 fetishization of language. And fun to read

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:12:24 2015 No.6399268

>>6399252
No, in all seriousness, it's a philosophical movement which, originating from structuralism, no longer believes in the unifying rationality of a linguistic logic which precedes humans and their actions. It rather tries to understand how our linguistic (and other) patterns emerge from our interests, habits, etc. Deleuze wrote a book on it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:16:03 2015 No.6399286 >>6399268 Could you explain what exactly structuralism is? And also which book by Deleuze?

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:37:26 2015 No.6399379

>>6399286
Structuralism emerged as a philosophy in late 19th/early 20th century france. It assumed universal patterns wuthin language (and cognition) wichh determined how we perceive the world and processed those perceptions. Chomsky could be regarded as an heut if this tradition, since he assumes a proto-grammar from which all recent languages are derived. Dudes like Foucault, Derrida, or Deleuze challenged this tradition by doubting that theses structures were absolute (or determined by logic) and argued that they were the result of history, politics, and out everyday actions. They retained the importance of structure as the main determining factor for our actions, but shiftet the focus on how these structures were produced. Accordingly, they were originally called structuralists as well, but labelled post-structuralists later on. Deleuze's book is called Qu'est-ce que le structuralisme? in french I think. There should be an english translation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:39:46 2015 No.6399394 >>6399268 He was deleuzional, amirite?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:40:25 2015 No.6399398 >>6399245 Can't Know Le Nothing Two: Eclectic Frogaloo

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:42:56 2015 No.6399412 >>6399379 What was structuralism then? why would anyone want to jerk it to semio-illogical (amirite) breakdowns when they could enjoy a text?

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 16:51:45 2015 No.6399445
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https://en.wikipedia.org/
http://www.iep.utm.edu/
http://plato.stanford.edu/

There you go, OP. People have actually written articles on these websites to explain entire subjects and their context to beginners.

That way, you don't have to ask other people to explain them to you!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:15:07 2015 No.6399541 >>6399412 Because structuralism promises that texts will certainly mean definite things. Everyone else agrees that texts are fundamentally meaningless, and that meaning is temporarily constructed by readers.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:29:03 2015 No.6399615
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>>6399379
It's a bit disengenious to mix Foucault and Deleuze like that when their works didn't really deal with the same subject matter. While F focused in social and cultural structures D was more of a semiologist, focusing on the text and the construction of signs.
Other than that it's a cool synopsis, good work.

>>6399398
Not at all, in no way, shape or form. Much less structuralists.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:31:42 2015 No.6399630 the important thing to remember is it's not anti-structuralism

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:32:12 2015 No.6399633

>>6399412
Structuralits focus in the common elements of every narration, what americans got mostly through The Hero of a Thousand Faces except that not completely wrong. Post-structuralism focuses in the spectatorial role over the intention, like when /pol/ takes a concept from a transwoman and uses it to ridicule people who don't share their revisionist ideas or when someone sees the Guernica and doesn't shit their pants.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:32:42 2015 No.6399636 everything is about sex except sex. sex is about power

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 17:33:13 2015 No.6399638 >>6399398 nope >>6396676

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 18:19:06 2015 No.6399870 >>6399379 OP here Thanks

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 18:34:39 2015 No.6399930 What does Hegel have to do with post-structuralism? is it mostly the stuff he says about there being no underlying structure because we are the vessels of reason itself heading toward some absolute spirit?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 18:44:18 2015 No.6399976 >>6399930 http://www.lacan.com/zizlacan1.htm

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 18:53:06 2015 No.6400007

My interpretation of structuralism is that it's basically a desire to read a text only in the culture where it was created, i.e. you need to know what it's like to be something in order to fully appreciate a book about that particular thing. I more-or-less eschew structuralism in favor of deconstruction, i.e. we can all understand a text if we boil it down to its basic political (power) struggles, using any literary conflict as a parable, so we can all relate to it. I don't know if this is the mainstream view of either school, but my opinion of post-structuralism would have to be: Deconstruction; since it came in on the heels of structuralism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 20:33:33 2015 No.6400457 >>6399930 I just chose a random picture

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 20:36:18 2015 No.6400466 >>6399930 He set the basis for some elements of it, but you could say that about pretty much any philosopher after him.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 20:38:01 2015 No.6400470

>>6400007
You are taking two elements and presenting them as opposed, when both are used simultaneously. Your descriptions sound like an explanation you would say to a teenager that clearly won't care about the subject. While superficially correct it lacks any of the merit of the theory.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 21:24:44 2015 No.6400682

>>6399930
>is it mostly the stuff he says about there being no underlying structure because we are the vessels of reason itself heading toward some absolute spirit?
But that implies that there is a structure which consists of reason heading toward absolute spirit, which is the case in Hegel's thought.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 21:29:17 2015 No.6400708 >>6399615 >D was more of a semiologist, focusing on the text and the construction of signs. You must mean Derrida, Deleuze moved away from text after Logic of Sense and specifically said he was working in semiotics rather than semiology.

Anonymous Mon Apr 13 21:29:45 2015 No.6400710

>>6399615
>their works didn't really deal with the same subject matter. While F focused in social and cultural structures
Deleuze wrote Capitalism & Schizophrenia (w/ Guattari) tho. how is that not primarily a text on cultural and social structures? its in the name!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 21:43:09 2015 No.6400765 File: 833 KB, 167x167, 1312201686592.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why has slapping some kanji on everything become a trend?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 13 21:45:29 2015 No.6400776 >>6400765 it looks cool

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 00:03:05 2015 No.6401312 >>6400765 Vapourwave

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 04:57:33 2015 No.6402096 >>6400710 Not that anon but he might be thinking of C&P in more of a psychoanalytic capacity than in a culture studies one.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 05:22:03 2015 No.6402119

>>6399266
>fun to read

is that a joke? maybe I just haven't read the good post-structuralists. but I've read Bloom and he's awful

>>6400765
Tokyo is the frontier of the imagination for millennials; it looks like the future. Vaporwave mixes a fetishism for some aspects of Japanese mass media and junk culture with a nostalgia for early 2000s computer graphics. And it juxtaposes these (somewhat heavy-handedly) with traditional art.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 05:27:48 2015 No.6402126 >>6402119 Ya farget the dam VHS aesthetique

>>	mostmodernism Tue Apr 14 05:56:20 2015 No.6402184 >>6399398 kekd

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 12:09:12 2015 No.6403124 File: 111 KB, 468x370, vayyporwave.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6400765

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 14:07:17 2015 No.6403487 >>6399445 Why does wikipedia sort structuralism under sociology but post-structuralism under philosophy?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 15:02:15 2015 No.6403616 >>6402119 >Tokyo is the frontier of the imagination for millennials; it looks like the future. Ywah no, more like an 80/90 future Dubai is where it is

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 15:08:22 2015 No.6403637 >>6403616 >Dubai is where it is K-k-k-kek.

Anonymous Tue Apr 14 15:15:56 2015 No.6403659

>>6403616
The fun thing is that Dubai produces nothing interesting - they pour a ridiculous amount of money into KAUST, for example, which has now one of the fastest supercomputers in the world, but still, nothing of interest comes from there. KAUST, again, is hugely cited because they pay researchers from other universities to become non-visiting researchers:

http://www.dailycal.org/2014/12/05/citations-sale/

How come there is no cultural output? No scientific output? Nothing going on at all?

I'd say Wahhabism broke the search for new forms of knowledge and expression

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 16:02:19 2015 No.6403827 >>6403659 Yes w/e but it's skyline/topology is more in the imagined futures/nows of 2010+

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 16:04:50 2015 No.6403837 >>6403659 >they pay researchers from other universities to become non-visiting researchers Sounds futuristic to me

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 16:08:27 2015 No.6403857 >>6403827 They don't even have sewers though. My vision of futuristic involves sewers. Shanghai looks more like how I imagined the future to be when I was a kid.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 16:14:49 2015 No.6403877 >>6403857 Weeaboo pls go

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 14 16:20:24 2015 No.6403901 File: 699 KB, 750x563, shanghai.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6403877 Shanghai's in China m8. Weeaboos are japan innit.

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