Who is the worst philosopher ever?

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Anonymous Fri Apr 10 18:44:42 2015 No.6386580 [Reply] [Original]

Who is the worst philosopher ever?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 18:45:48 2015 No.6386587 >>6386580 Peter Sloterdijk

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 18:51:50 2015 No.6386609 >>6386580 Anyone who doesn't assert that women are inferior, blacks are subhuman, gays are mentally ill, and that jews aren't running the world and planning to enslave us all and eventually kill us. Regards, a /pol/ friend

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 18:53:35 2015 No.6386616 >>6386609 so .. all of them?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 18:53:37 2015 No.6386618 >>6386609 Gonna need you to expand on your arguments and provide ample evidence. Regards, a rational buddy

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 18:54:50 2015 No.6386627 >>6386580 Alain de Botton

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 18:54:58 2015 No.6386629 >>6386618 Literally go to /pol/ and ask for the .jpgs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 18:56:35 2015 No.6386636 >>6386629 Or you could literally post your arguments here since YOU posted YOUR nonsense on THIS board.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 18:58:02 2015 No.6386641 >>6386636 Women and blacks have lower IQ. And blacks rape and steal more. This is scientific fact. Deal with it, cuck

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 18:59:54 2015 No.6386650 File: 68 KB, 210x195, 1362641229151.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6386641

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:01:27 2015 No.6386656 >>6386650 >muh feels are perturbed when presented with scientific fact and evidence typical liberal

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:02:29 2015 No.6386659 >>6386609 >not being women are shit but cute, blacks are dumb but good, gays are better because they don't breed and jews are silly schopenhauerian master race

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:03:30 2015 No.6386662 File: 70 KB, 800x767, 132993868618.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6386656

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:04:16 2015 No.6386666 >>6386609 Reminder that /pol/ bashing is punching well below your weight It's like someone lifting 5lb. dumbbells and calling himself a bodybuilder

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:05:50 2015 No.6386672 >>6386666 >>6386662 >no arguments to the contrary Leftists everyone

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:06:01 2015 No.6386673 >>6386656 >>6386641 >>6386629 why are you here?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:06:29 2015 No.6386675 File: 60 KB, 699x788, 1351272090314.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6386672

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:06:57 2015 No.6386679 >>6386673 To redpill you marxist-professor-indoctrinated degenerate drones

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:07:30 2015 No.6386681 John Locke

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:07:33 2015 No.6386682 >>6386672 >no argument to begin with

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:08:01 2015 No.6386688 >>6386580 Probably all the unemployed but published MA Phil/PhD Phil people.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:08:42 2015 No.6386689 >>6386609 Hans-Hermann Hoppe could almost be included on this

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:18:06 2015 No.6386735 >>6386689 Does he hate women, non-whites, and non-heterosexuals?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:22:54 2015 No.6386768 >>6386735 I don't know if he's a misogynist, but he's been accused of latent racism and homophobia

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:23:51 2015 No.6386773 >>6386768 >latent dropped

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:25:50 2015 No.6386780 >>6386656 .... you didn't post any evidence?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:26:16 2015 No.6386782 >>6386609 >implying Marx isn't a bad philosopher

Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:28:15 2015 No.6386791

>>6386768
>>6386773
the racism is pretty open if I remember right from some of the excerpts I've read

I mean, it's racism of the "blacks have lower IQs and are genetically inferior" type. That's pretty direct racism, not really any less than calling them niggers I don't think.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:30:15 2015 No.6386808 >>6386791 He sounds like he's taken the red pill

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:31:34 2015 No.6386815 >>6386808 i think he took the entire jar of red pills.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:31:50 2015 No.6386816 File: 34 KB, 1002x764, 14lk7l.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6386808

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:33:34 2015 No.6386821 >>6386816 >butthurt feminist detected

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:34:38 2015 No.6386827 File: 93 KB, 346x348, 1251123789525.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6386821

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:42:44 2015 No.6386856 >>6386609 t. expert

>>	Matthew Fri Apr 10 19:43:42 2015 No.6386859 File: 84 KB, 237x252, 1410518800656.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6386580

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:43:51 2015 No.6386861 >>6386609 >Anyone who disagrees with me is a shit philosopher! And then they accuse "leftists" (aka anyone who disagrees with them) of being brainwashed

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:45:13 2015 No.6386870 >>6386861 That redpill guys is actually saying Marx is a good philosopher. /pol/ is that dumb.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:49:10 2015 No.6386884 >>6386587 Really? I haven't read him yet but his Spheres trilogy has been really well-received from what I've seen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:56:37 2015 No.6386914 >>6386870 Where am I saying that, you liberal apehole? Marx is a social justice faggot

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:57:38 2015 No.6386918 File: 13 KB, 241x232, 1347458689259.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6386914

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 19:59:53 2015 No.6386928 Probably not the worst ever, but the worst I've read is Searle. Intensely stupid, obviously terrible arguments, and systematically and deliberately misrepresents the opposite side of the argument.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:04:39 2015 No.6386945 >>6386641 Women actually have about a point IQ on average than men do.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:05:43 2015 No.6386951 >>6386945 Your post doesn't make sense. Are you a woman by any chance?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:13:29 2015 No.6386979 >>6386914 Marx was a jew-hating, middle-class euro-centric trash, just like you. Stop making /pol/ look bad with your illiteracy, there are some eurudite reactionaries on this board, not that you'd know what that world means.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:15:03 2015 No.6386985 >>6386979 >eurudite liberals everyone

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:15:47 2015 No.6386986 Ayn Rand

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:17:34 2015 No.6386993 John Stuart Mill

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:17:43 2015 No.6386994 Good thread friends :^)

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:21:46 2015 No.6387010 >>6386662 holy fuck boxxy? really? is this 2007?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:22:22 2015 No.6387013 Roger Scruton

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:22:52 2015 No.6387015 >>6386816 >>6386827 i refuse to believe that you're posting boxxy for any other reason that that you know how fucking ridiculous it is

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:24:05 2015 No.6387020 >>6386979 14 y/o spotted

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:24:12 2015 No.6387021 >>6386816 >>6386827 >>6386918 nostalgia well memed m'lady

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 20:28:43 2015 No.6387041 File: 45 KB, 239x250, 1350558309792.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6387010 >>6387015 >>6387021

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:17:41 2015 No.6387212 File: 431 KB, 512x384, 1426544846859.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Tied for worst: Marx, Hegel, Zizek and Stirner. No this isn't bait I really do think they are fucking nonsense

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:33:18 2015 No.6387275 >>6387212 Who are your favorites?

Anonymous Fri Apr 10 21:42:12 2015 No.6387312

i think theist and atheist alike can agree that it's Richard Swinburne

>yfw he actually proposed a 'principle of credulity' whereby we should assume religious experiences are true unless we have sufficient reasons to doubt the person such as a history of mental illness
>he completely misinterpreted ayer's use of 'meaningless' and took it literally, then argued that of course anything can have meaning because you can imagine it

>>	« Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ » Fri Apr 10 22:42:05 2015 No.6387599 >>6387275 The nonsensical philosophers, no doubt.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 23:23:00 2015 No.6387720 >>6387212 fuck i wish the Gulag was still around

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 23:43:05 2015 No.6387788 >>6387212 >Hegel 4/10 could have gotten away if you didnt include him

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 23:48:01 2015 No.6387803 >>6387212 Put your trip back on >dribblekid

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 10 23:52:32 2015 No.6387821 >>6387212 gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:05:29 2015 No.6387867

>>6386656
CONSERVATIVE HERE.
You /pol/ faggots are a bunch of whiny babies. You hoo and haw and hoot and when someone so much as ASKS YOU TO PROVIDE ACTUAL EVIDENCE you exclaim "must be a liberal!"
I hate you. You're the kind of conservative that makes rational, empathetic individuals like me look bad. Piss off and stay in your hell hole of a containment board and revel in your hate and lies. You're all maladjusted and it pisses me off to see your poison spewed about every which way on the ol' chan.

I just wanted to get that off my chest. Nut up and quit hating, I bet you've only seen black people on tv.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:08:09 2015 No.6387875 >>6387867 Also I despise liberal hogwash as much as any rational human being, but I'm not a racist piece of trash either

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Sat Apr 11 00:08:31 2015 No.6387876 >>6386629 Need help, trying to figure out the meaning of life? Well, wait no longer! It's finally here! Go to /pol/, they have the answer to the meaning of life now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:09:47 2015 No.6387883 >>6387867 > dass raycissssss Apparently, thoughtcrime is nowadays more horrible than actual crime.

>>	Foucault !!8WvUZxvX53M Sat Apr 11 00:10:41 2015 No.6387885 >>6387883 Are you implying most active white nationalists don't break the law often. Because there's a reason they tend to organize in gangs.

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:12:12 2015 No.6387890

>>6387883
I hate the idea of thought police, but these people masquerading as having the truth when it seems they're just hiding behind their actual racism is just as bad.

I'll admit, I need to look into whatever /pol/ posits, but it seems like slanted crap. Like the Bell Curve or something.

Maybe if /pol/ argued their side better the rest of 4chan wouldn't think they're racist pricks.

I want the truth as much as anyone, but being a dick about it is not going to win people to your side.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:15:00 2015 No.6387898 >>6386580 Well I'm sure the worst is some housewife really into horoscopes. The worst one granted credibility by the philosophical community is Rorty. Fuck that status quo milquetoast piece of shit.

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:16:09 2015 No.6387900

>>6387890
It all just comes off like an excuse to be racist, much more it's shoved down our throats.

Maybe the /pol/tards don't realize they're their own worst enemy because they can't into communication, which wouldn't surprise me in the slightest, because THE TRUTH withstands all scrutiny. Simply asking for further elaborations, etc, is not harmful to the truth because it'll only help to uncover it. However, when asked for evidence, we're met with LIBERAL BOGEYMAN remarks.

This isn't reddit. You can say pretty much whatever you want for whatever reason and people will honestly give it a chance, but not when your first response to scrutiny is so toxic. It makes you look guilty, /pol/iticos.

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:25:34 2015 No.6387934

>>6386609
Women are inferior... in a pre-industrial society. Capitalism has made them equal.

Blacks are human if you actually know what HUMAN is. They were equal to Europe until around the 1400s. Europe expanded and colonized because of their environment and the economic advantage the Americas provided. (the Americas were conquered because the equivalent of the black plague spread over the continent).

Gays are not "ill" because illness implies an inability to function in society. Gays function in society MUCH better than many straight nerds I see around /pol/ (who would give their souls for some shemale boipussy).

Jews had an advantage because of usury. They also probably won't get swine flu because they eat kosher food. It doesn't mean they're smart enough to secretly run things. Think of all the qualities "evil Jews" have. Greed, power, manipulation of information, ownership of everything, etc. IT'S THE BOURGEOISIE.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:27:43 2015 No.6387941 >>6386986 Sam Harris

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:29:05 2015 No.6387949 camus great writer but absurdism is a cop out sartre is like camus but a hack

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:36:59 2015 No.6387985 chomsky. ignorant trash

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:39:50 2015 No.6387998

>>6386791
Blacks very well might have lower genetic intelligence than whites. Ideologically it doesn't sit well with me but the arguments in favor happen to be strong. People should stop conflating this with the idea of genetic "inferiority." Some groups of people have smaller heights but that doesn't make them "genetically inferior." Just different.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:42:22 2015 No.6388010 >>6387998 >lower genetic intelligence >doesn't imply inferiority >lower

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:44:15 2015 No.6388015 >>6386609 LOL, thinking the concept of race is at all genetically based. Also using IQ. This is 2015, idiot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:46:22 2015 No.6388021 >>6388010 "Genetically inferior" sounds metaphysical and normative. If black people have lower genetic IQs than whites its just one difference.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:47:40 2015 No.6388027 >>6388015 IQ is very strongly predictive. It is an important and valid measurement. Unless you think all people just have the same intelligence.

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:49:23 2015 No.6388032

>>6387890
>I hate the idea of thought police, but these people masquerading as having the truth when it seems they're just hiding behind their actual racism is just as bad.
In other words, you hate the idea of thought police, but really want to police thoughts?

Look: yeah, they're "actual racists". They believe black people are apes, etc. Who the fuck cares? It's their right to believe anything they want.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:49:35 2015 No.6388034 >>6388027 define 'intelligence'

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:52:24 2015 No.6388042

>>6388027
>IQ is very strongly predictive. It is an important and valid measurement.
Yes, it's a valid measurement, just not a measurement of intelligence.

'Intelligence', roughly, is the human ability to learn and infer patterns and rules in phenomena.

IQ measures your ability to conform to an arbitrary and unfair multiple-choice test.

IQ measures your ability to put society's needs above your own transient wants, not intelligence.

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:52:28 2015 No.6388043

>>6388034
How smart someone is, how easily someone can learn something, how well he can apply information. Human cognition is complicated and you're not going to have a one perfect definition for intelligence. But anyone with any sense recognizes that some people are smarter than others.

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:53:19 2015 No.6388052

>>6388015

If you get DNA samples of 100 people, have them write down the race they identify as and then give scientists the DNA without the racial identification, the scientists will organize the DNA into groups that correspond to the self identified races with an over 98% percent accuracy ( and this was determined through many subsequent trials)- my old computer died so I don't have the actual study on hand. But this was serious scientific literature, not some neo-nutzi bs.

Race is real, and it makes sense that different environments would make for different human types. African peoples also lack the neaderthal DNA that whites have and there are good grounds for suggesting that the four main races ( caucasoid, mongoloid, negorid, australoid) were all the rest of the original homo sapiens mixing with other similar groups in order to ground the biological diversity we find. WN and legit Nazi's obvious go way to far in their exaggerations about the importance of race, but we should not fall in the leftist bourgeois trap of denying solid scientific evidence in order to fit into a feel good ideology. We can make a better outcome for everyone if we are intellectually honest about race and actually determining how important it really is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:54:00 2015 No.6388056 >>6388042 What's unfair about IQ tests? That's exactly what they measure, ability to recognize patterns and infer rules.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:54:11 2015 No.6388057 File: 82 KB, 500x579, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6388043 that's some pure stuff you've got there

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 00:56:11 2015 No.6388063

>>6388056
Really it's a damn shame to see leftists deny IQ. The recognition of variation in individual cognitive talent and the attempt to boost up all those with high intellect regardless of their class background was one of the great social mobility triumphs of the 20th century. The left has been hard at work trying to dismantle all that for the past several decades.

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 02:26:49 2015 No.6388235

>>6388056
>What's unfair about IQ tests?
I didn't say they were 'unfair', you fucking mong.
>That's exactly what they measure, ability to recognize patterns and infer rules.
No, they don't. 'Intelligence' == 'ability to learn'. IQ tests don't measure learning ability, they measure your aptitude for standardized tests -- being able to regurgitate a set answer quickly even if the question has no practical value.

(Yes, an aptitude for standardized tests is arguably more important for success in an industrial society than 'intelligence'.)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 02:27:50 2015 No.6388237 >>6388063 >cognitive talent IQ tests don't measure cognitive talent.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 02:33:51 2015 No.6388247 File: 77 KB, 900x900, oil.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Popper and Descartes

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 02:35:03 2015 No.6388248 >>6388237 they measure how gay u are tho LOL and ur score is off the charts

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 02:44:13 2015 No.6388260 >>6386580 Judith Butler

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 02:45:14 2015 No.6388263

>>6388052
Yeah, except that's not true at all. If you were to define races by actual genetic variation, then Asians, Europeans and Hispanics would all be one race, and there'd be like five races within Africa. The idea that our socially defined races, which are based merely on one phenotypic test (skin color), corresponds to actual genetic variety of any importance is a long discarded one. In fact, if you ask someone to biologically try and define 'race' they always fall flat on their face because of this.

I'm not trying to advocate for cultural relativism or any shit like that. All cultures aren't equal. But as a biologist the idea that racial divides are facts of nature just makes me want to upturn tables. It's politics masquerading as shitty biology.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 03:04:33 2015 No.6388301 Ill just leave this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5nVqeVhgQE

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 03:04:49 2015 No.6388302 >>6386609 So Evola and Schopenhauer are the best?

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 03:08:16 2015 No.6388305

>>6388248
'Cognitive talent' is a much wider and more complex thing than whatever IQ tests measure. For example, it undoubtedly takes a lot of 'cognitive talent' to win at Super Mario Brothers speedrunning competitions, but I doubt obsessive video game players have high IQ test scores.

(Yes, playing vidya is also a cognitive task. Unlike IQ tests, however, playing vidya is not useful for an industrialized society.)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 03:29:07 2015 No.6388337 >>6388042 >IQ measures your ability to conform to an arbitrary and unfair multiple-choice test. It's neither arbitrary nor unfair. >IQ measures your ability to put society's needs above your own transient wants what the fuck are you talking about

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 03:31:05 2015 No.6388340 >>6388337 >IQ tests aren't unfair read more

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 03:32:07 2015 No.6388342 >>6388340 Take your own advice, they aren't unfair at all.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 03:46:56 2015 No.6388371 >>6388260 This or Peggy McIntosh.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 03:47:40 2015 No.6388374 >>6388371 Butler is great

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 04:01:09 2015 No.6388397 File: 834 KB, 2393x3000, Sam_Harris_01.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6386580

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 04:10:30 2015 No.6388412 Hegel is the answer /lit/ needs to hear. But we can put up the entire English major canon though: Witt, Sauceasaur, Butler, Derrida, Marx, Chomsky.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 04:13:11 2015 No.6388418 >>6388263 >But as a biologist the idea that racial divides are facts of nature just makes me want to upturn tables. Then ask a (western) genetecist and see them squirm trying to define race while avoiding actually using the word race.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 04:28:00 2015 No.6388433 >>6386580 Bertrand Russel, though I doubt he even qualifies as a philosopher.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 04:29:30 2015 No.6388435 Nozick.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 04:35:27 2015 No.6388440 Derrida.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 04:48:11 2015 No.6388451 >>6388440 Who really consider's him a philosopher, though?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 06:57:20 2015 No.6388616 >>6388027 IQ tests, they test how good you are at solving IQ tests. The truth about intelligence is much more liberal than an "one great intelligence test".

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 07:03:56 2015 No.6388621 >>6388440 you mean best

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 07:15:44 2015 No.6388636 File: 224 KB, 1507x1800, image.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6388451 It's bad news, I'm afraid. You have a serious case of Misused Apostrophe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 10:16:23 2015 No.6389002 Rorty

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 10:21:02 2015 No.6389012 File: 365 KB, 570x842, iStock_000024998853Small.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6388636 Doctor, are you aware you slipped into a comma just then? You may want to get that checked out.

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 11:11:10 2015 No.6389128

>>6388337
>It's neither arbitrary nor unfair.
The rules you need to internalize to answer the questions correctly are arbitrary and unfair. That's the whole point, if they weren't the test would be too easy.

>what the fuck are you talking about
IQ tests measure if you can answer bullshit questions 'correctly' even when the answer is meaningless and/or arbitrary. Most of the logic puzzles in an IQ test have more than one 'correct' logical answer; the trick is to understand what the test maker wanted you to say and comply.

Yes, this kind of test is a strong predictor of success in society, but don't make the mistake that IQ tests 'measure' intelligence. They measure something that can sometimes correlate to intelligence.

(And sometimes not; there are lots of Mensa members who are dumb as bricks.)

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 11:19:48 2015 No.6389151 >>6388235 >I didn't say they were 'unfair', you fucking mong. ... >IQ measures your ability to conform to an arbitrary and unfair multiple-choice test.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 11:21:02 2015 No.6389153 >>6389128 >correctly are arbitrary and unfair. That's the whole point, if they weren't the test would be too easy. So if IQ tests were fair, they'd be easy? Everybody's a genius, right?

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 11:49:57 2015 No.6389245

>>6388418
They can't define race because there's no race in the genes mate, it's a concept forced on them by society. They can't define "natural athlete" by genes either because that's a concept that only makes sense within the confines of a society that has sports.

Race is a spook.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 16:01:15 2015 No.6390062 >>6388371 >>6388374 Peggy isn't a Philosopher, Butler can at least reason at a University level so she counts.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 16:14:07 2015 No.6390112 >>6388636 >>6389012 same

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 17:54:54 2015 No.6390500

Saint Augustine is probably the worst I've read. Circular arguments and paradoxes everywhere without even an attempt to reconcile them.

>God gave us Free Will
>But if you stray from His Plan then fuck you
>Also He controls everything
>Wouldn't that contradict Free Will? God is 2mysterious4mankind to even describe, which is why I will proceed to dictate how God works as fact

It's a fucking mess and he tries to plug his gaping holes with "hurr durr what can mankind know of God?" even though Augustine claims to be an authority on God's nature.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 18:16:19 2015 No.6390600 Sabater

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 19:08:10 2015 No.6390841
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>>6388263

>The idea that our socially defined races, which are based merely on one phenotypic test (skin color),

The surface level features are based around bone structure. Giving a caucausoid black skin won't make him look like a negroid what so ever, neither will giving a negroid white skin. So you've already shown your knowledge as a "biologist" on this to be suspect. Anyways you should check out the paper mentioned in the wiki article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Genetic_Diversity:_Lewontin%27s_Fallacy

>Edwards argued that while Lewontin's statements on variability are correct when examining the frequency of different alleles (variants of a particular gene) at an individual locus (the location of a particular gene) between individuals, it is nonetheless possible to classify individuals into different racial groups with an accuracy that approaches 100 percent when one takes into account the frequency of the alleles at several loci at the same time. This happens because differences in the frequency of alleles at different loci are correlated across populations — the alleles that are more frequent in a population at two or more loci are correlated when we consider the two populations simultaneously. Or in other words, the frequency of the alleles tends to cluster differently for different populations

Edwards makes the same argument against your side of the debate. From what I've seen all the good science points in the opposite of what you are suggesting. The anti-racist camp has way more political power than the racist camp, so it makes more sense that anti-racist political assumptions would infect scientific beliefs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 19:09:35 2015 No.6390850 >>6390500 You didn't understand the faith argument, I advise you to read Pascal for futher mastery of theological elements.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 19:21:33 2015 No.6390899 >>6387020 Yes Here >>6386609

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 19:24:53 2015 No.6390916 File: 5 KB, 250x140, 1405269286131s.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] We found him Anon We found the worst philosopher! >>pol

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 19:27:39 2015 No.6390928 >>6386580 /lit/ as an entity is It is so bad that I have to hide philosophy threads on this board in order to ignore the cancer

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 19:29:13 2015 No.6390937 >>6390841 well you intentionally ignored his point there. Society would often describe the man in the image as being white. The point is that racial descriptors are not the same as genetics.

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 19:33:03 2015 No.6390948

>>6388015
I always find it interesting when you look at the statistics between cultural anthropologists and forensic anthropologists
The former almost universally believes that race does not exist and is merely a social construct while the later almost universally believes/studies the opposite

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 21:22:49 2015 No.6391333

>>6390937

No one would consider that man to be "white".It's not only skin color which makes the difference , you can tell that that man is not of European origin due to his facial structure which is distinctly Sub-Saharan. It just so happens that people with certain facial structures tend to have lighter or darker range of skin colors, but as we can see in the image, this is contingent. I don't know of a disease which changes the structure and shapes of your bones.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 21:42:05 2015 No.6391409 >>6391333 >>6390841 That dude could probably pass for italian or spanish though

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 21:49:35 2015 No.6391438 >>6389151 What does that have to do with fairness

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 21:55:43 2015 No.6391456

>>6388418
Damn is it that hard to understand that a combination of traits partially derived from convergent evolution acting as criteria for belonging to a given race does not define the same groups as actual GWAS-derived SNP clusters? Just because some people have brown skin and muh bone structure doesn't mean their genetic SNP based distance with other "racially different" groups will be higher. High dimensionality and all that. You guys do know biology, right? I mean you wouldn't dare to debate about controversial issues on a field you have no clue about, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 22:10:34 2015 No.6391520 >>6390948 see >>6391456

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 22:12:06 2015 No.6391530 >>6391456 See >>6390841 >>6391409 I really don't see it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 22:17:29 2015 No.6391551 >>6391530 What do genes have to do with SNPs though

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 22:41:47 2015 No.6391647 >>6388032 Of course its their right, absolutely. It's just annoying is all, nowhere did I advocate the silencing of anything, including ignorance. "I'd fight to the death for your right to say it" etc

Anonymous Sat Apr 11 22:47:03 2015 No.6391661
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>>6386580
I hate John Gray. I read someone describe his work as "pretentious cynicism masquerading as depth" and that's a pretty accurate description. There's something about him I find uniquely irritating.

>I'm John Gray woo woo. I disagree with you. Everything is shit. Woo. Progress is an illusion. Look, here's a quote from Lao Tzu and Nietzsche. That means I'm smart. Woo. Statistics are bullshit so I can dismiss evidence that contradicts my position. All is lost, all is darkness. Woo woo. I'm so fucking deep. Humanity is fucked, you are all fools. Here's a book I wrote that is just the sentence "Humanism is a lie" repeated 5,000 times.

https://rationaloptimist.wordpress.com/2015/04/01/john-gray-versus-pinker-on-violence-the-sorcery-of-numbers/

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 22:53:27 2015 No.6391686 >>6391333 To be honest when I first saw that image I thought it was one of those cherry-picking images of attractiveness between races.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 22:58:40 2015 No.6391705 >>6386580 Feyerabend

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 23:00:59 2015 No.6391712 >>6391705 What don't you like about him, friend?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 11 23:06:45 2015 No.6391737 Can I ask what does /lit/ think of John Gray?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 12 01:18:51 2015 No.6392215 >>6386580 Motherfucker has the worst face/hair combo I've ever seen.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 12 01:49:24 2015 No.6392292 >>6386580 Russell Brand

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 12 01:51:08 2015 No.6392297 >>6388247 >>6388260 /thread

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 12 01:56:29 2015 No.6392307 >>6388247 This. Descartes' only really good point is at the very end of a long series of shit points (final proof of God in the Meditations).

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 12 01:58:03 2015 No.6392310 File: 115 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6391661 That's the 'Men are from Mars' John Gray, you want this guy

Anonymous Sun Apr 12 02:10:36 2015 No.6392335
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Cultural Marxism
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism

Cultural Marxism: The Corruption of America
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIdBuK7_g3M

Erich Fromm, Judaism and the Frankfurt School
http://pages.gseis.ucla.edu/faculty/kellner/Illumina%20Folder/kell24.htm

Freud, The Frankfurt School, and the Kabbalah
http://www.terrorism-illuminati.com/blog/holiness-sin-freud-frankfurt-school-and-kabbalah#.VGsgXIeRk7B

Frankfurt School
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

Frankfurt School of Social Research
http://jettandjahn.com/2010/10/frankfurt-school-of-social-research/

The Frankfurt School & Cultural Marxism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghx3d1GiAc0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkcy7256tBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG6TcYfpQOg

The Frankfurt School of Social Research and the Pathologization of Gentile Group Allegiances
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/chap5.pdf

Frankfurt School - Satanic Judaism in Action
http://www.henrymakow.com/frankfurt-school-satanic-judaism-in-action.html

The History of Political Correctness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acjIw7cVc2k

How a Handfull of Marxist Jews Turned Western and U.S. Culture Upside Down
http://davidduke.com/how-a-handfull-of-marxist-jews-turned-western-and-us-culture-upside-down/

The Jewish Frankfurt School and the End of Western Civilization
http://www.dailystormer.com/the-jewish-frankfurt-school-and-the-end-of-western-civilization/

The New Dark Age: The Frankfurt School and "Political Correctness"
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_91-96/921_frankfurt.html

Who Stole Our Culture?
http://www.wnd.com/2007/05/41737/

Sabbatean-Frankish Roots of the Frankfurt School
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBfT0pi0cMs

Anonymous Sun Apr 12 02:11:37 2015 No.6392337
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>>6392335
Frankfurt School Cultural Marxism is Based in Jewish Mysticism
https://murderbymedia2.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/1417900885468.png

The Frankfurt School and Its Legacy
http://www.morveninstituteoffreedom.com/FrankfurtSchool.pdf

Critical Theory (Cultural Marxism) and Jewish Thought
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/theology/events/2013/critical-theory-and-jewish-thought.aspx

Fallen Jews, Critical Theory, and Cultural Marxism
https://originsofleftism.wordpress.com/2015/01/16/notes-fallen-jews-critical-theory-and-cultural-marxism/

Bill Whittle on the Narrative: Political Correctness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrt6msZmU7Y

Marx + Freud + the Kabbalah = FRANKFURT SCHOOL CULTURAL MARXISM

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 12 02:14:19 2015 No.6392348 >>6392337 is this the white-nationalist DA JOOZ = FRANKFURT SCHOOL = CULTURAL MARXISM meme?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 12 02:16:14 2015 No.6392354 >>6392348 Yes. And I really don't understand how: Benjamin's Kabbalism = Jewspiracy

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 12 02:17:22 2015 No.6392357 >>6392348 Its /pol/ copypasta.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 12 02:19:34 2015 No.6392365 >>6392337 >Marx + Freud + the Kabbalah = FRANKFURT SCHOOL CULTURAL MARXISM >this is what /pol/ actually believes

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 12 02:27:28 2015 No.6392378 >>6386580 has anyone said ayn rand or

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 12 02:28:46 2015 No.6392381 >>6392310 what a fuckface

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