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if you were in Daisy's shoes?

>> No.6373621

>>6373610
Yeah, I love me some men who seek to turn me into a phantasmatic object of desire and see me as an extension of their material success

>> No.6373630

>>6373621
>implying the material excess wasn't only accumulated as part of his plan to win back Daisy

>> No.6373636

Gatsby was a better man than Buchanan who was a racsist. On the hand Gatsby was a fraud. So if you're daisy and you only really love money, I guess the choice is obvious

>> No.6373641

Tom was an alpha who fucked bitches on the side and did what he wanted and Gatsby was a beta with oneitis. Is it any mystery?

>> No.6373644

Yes.

But the point of the book is that Daisy is a piece of shit. Gatsby loves a lie. Daisy is a horrible, shallow person who doesn't care about anything except herself.

I mean Nick even beats you over the head with this at the end of the book.

>> No.6373645

>>6373621
Tom was cheating and using her
>and see me as an extension of their material success
she rejected him for being poor

>> No.6373649

>>6373636
>Gatsby was a fraud
Gatsby was a self-made man

>> No.6373650

>>6373636
sketchy business man =/= fraud.

>> No.6373669

>>6373644
>>6373645
Daisy wasn't about the money at all. She turned down Gatsby because he lived in the past and asked too much of her.

>TELL ME YOU NEVER LOVED HIM RAWR

Nigga couldn't leave well enough alone.

As someone smarter than me once said, "the cruelest thing you can do to a woman is portray her as perfect."

>> No.6373866

Did the highschool freshmen year just finish this book or something?

>> No.6373897

>>6373610
>if you were in Daisy's shoes?
I would finger myself all day long, and then would seek the richest man around to marry him and cuckold him by each of my holes

>> No.6373899

Who cares, it's not even close to his best book

>> No.6373939

The way I read Gatsby, it conveyed that Daisy really wasn't worth even a fraction of the requisites to get her.

>>6373669
>Daisy wasn't about the money at all. She turned down Gatsby because he lived in the past and asked too much of her.

You need a more nuanced view. Both Gatsby and Tom had money. It is totally erroneous to say she wasn't about it.

>> No.6373940

>>6373899
And that is?

>> No.6373949

>>6373939
She was ready to leave Tom because he viewed her as a symbol of status, a trophy wife.

She thought Gatsby truly loved her beyond wealth, and it turned out that in his pursuit of her affections that he become obsessed with wealth that her affections would be viewed equally as a symbol of status, that because he'd worked for what he'd obtained that his wealth was better than Tom's, and that Tom's wealth was empty and his were full.

>> No.6373950

>>6373939
Not him, but given that they were both wealthy I think it's fair to say that sure, while Daisy cared about money, her choice of Tom over Gatsby did not have to do with money. More likely, it had to do with Gatsby trying to force her into his mythic past.

Tom was definitely a dick to Daisy and in general, but at least he didn't reduce her identity to some false ideal. She herself was allowed to exist there as a subject, rather than being made into an object by Gatsby.

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>>6373610
duh! DiCaprio is a dream boat.

>> No.6374818

>>6373939
>need a more nuanced view
>bitch was all about the greenbacks

>> No.6374903

Gatsby:
>Obsessed with being loved and perfection
>Sentimentalist to the point of delusion
>Even resorting to crime doesn't earn him enough wealth to ever be accepted by the American aristocracy
>Despises himself and believes poverty equals failure

Buchanan:
>Rich asshole past his prime
>Embarrasses other people for his amusement
>Strawman chickenhawk racist

Gatsby had good intentions, but didn't realize that his priorities were bad and he was objectifying a woman who wasn't even really worth it. Buchanan was just a tool.

Regardless, Daisy made the wiser but more cowardly bet by staying with the shitty father of her child.

>> No.6374986

>>6373641
Get the fuck out of my /lit/, robot.

>> No.6374988

>>6374986
He's basically right though.

>> No.6376482

>>6374903
Gatsby didn't have good intentions, he was transferring his feelings of inferiority over his humble past to Daisy, basically only wanting her because in his mind once he wins her back from Tom he'll have finally "made it".

He wouldn't think twice about her if he looked her up and she was married to a dumbass loser mechanic, which is actually where the real poetic justice of the story comes in. Gatsby deserved to die because he devalued poor people even though he himself had beed one, and so he died at the hands of one.

>> No.6376503

Gatsby would have posted on /r9k/ were it around back then.

>I'm rich but my waifu doesn't like me

>> No.6376536

>>6373649
>self-made man

This is one of society's best memes.

>> No.6376764

>>6373940

His debut

>> No.6376813

>>6373630

Nigga it was a cycle projection. Having Daisy satisfies 1. you got your nostalgic girl 2. you proved to yourself that you made it and achieved your dream. That's why it was a problem for him to want her so bad, it basically consumed his life. That's why all his stuff is yellow, it's a pale gold.

>> No.6376840

Where were you for the end of the novel? Daisy is the one who kills Myrtle yet she never admits to it and Gatsby is remembered as a murderer. Nick specifically says that she's a shit type of person that fucks peoples lives up and then retreats back into her money and delusions.

>> No.6376931

>>6376840
Nick was obviously influenced by his emotions and friendship with Gatsby. Basically everyone in the book (including Nick) is a shit type of person. Gatsby deep down might not have been though, and it's that softness that was his downfall playing in a world of animals.

>> No.6378046

>>6373949
>>6373950
SO basically in the end bitch still didn't know what she wanted.
Lol jk but still don't you guys make the mistake of forgetting that that whole love triangle is made of actually terrible people?

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6378082

book should have been more about >tfw no gf and less about materialism and symbols and god and shit no one can relate to