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Anonymous Tue Apr 7 10:52:37 2015 No.6370453 [Reply] [Original]

Hey /lit/, /mu/ here.

A lot of people here seem to believe that literature is art. And while I don't disagree completely with that notion, I'm not completely convinced that this is true.

Part of what makes music an art is that there's experimentation and innovation happening all the time.

What are some examples of experimentation in lit? Are there?

>pic related, a very experimental album

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 10:54:26 2015 No.6370463 The point of [good] literature is to transmit ideas, the innovation is contingent to it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 10:55:29 2015 No.6370467 The Dictionary of /mu/ Art ɑːt/ noun Something with experimentation and innovation happening all the time.

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 10:58:28 2015 No.6370479

>Part of what makes music an art is that there's experimentation and innovation happening all the time.

My girlfriend and I have been experimenting all the time with innovative new ways to stimulate my prostate while on meth. Good to know that /mu/ thinks we're making art.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:02:14 2015 No.6370487 Gothic literature is the answer you're looking for.

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:02:33 2015 No.6370488
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Literature enters in what's called "narrative arts" and it has only been considered an art (instead of a craft) in the last 100 years or so. You could consider that the impact that a story can generate while being a simple construction fulfills the requirements that early aesthetes demanded in art (Walter Benjamin called it the "aura" of a work, the relationship between the emotional power and the material simplicity of the object), but it has a lot to do with validating cinema as an art by allowing narratives to be more than crafts.
There's a lot of experimentation in literature if you're looking for that. It would be hard to find any /lit/ required reading that isn't pushing the boundaries of the medium or its context. Usually the most standardized stuff is tied to genre, and that's a tiny amount of all literary production. If you have particular interests we can guide you thorugh recommended reading, but you have to consider than reading a book is more time consuming than listening to one or two or twenty albums.

>Part of what makes music an art is that there's experimentation and innovation happening all the time.
That's a very poor interpretation of what makes art. Experimentation could be what makes something a science if you want.

Hope I could help, /lit/ is a bit shitty around this time of the year. Try not to judge us for this experience.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:03:55 2015 No.6370490 >>6370467 This is precisely why I stopped browsing that shithoe.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:04:46 2015 No.6370494 >>6370453 Go look up Finnegans Wake by James Joyce and tell me experimental lit doesn't exist

Νιkονάνη Σkριάβιν !!Nsmsh3sSWI3 Tue Apr 7 11:05:40 2015 No.6370498

>>6370453

> What are some examples of experimentation in lit? Are there?

Finnegans Wake, The Recognitions, Umbrella, V., Gravity's Rainbow, The Sound and the Fury, the poetry of: Ezra Pound, Wallace Stevens, John Ashbery, John Keats, Lord Byron, ...

Were all considered a bit radical for their time. But all great literature has been, in some way, "experimental", using the retarded blanket terms used over on /mu/. Transgressive, Innovative, etc.

Haven't you read some books in high school by now?

>pic related, a very experimental album

babby's first visit to RYM?

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>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:13:44 2015 No.6370518 >>6370463 >>6370487 >>6370488 >>6370494 >>6370498 Thanks guys, I have skim read these posts and look forward to absorping them fully later today when I have more time.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:15:43 2015 No.6370525 >it's art if you're constantly experimenting TOP KEK O P K E K

Νιkονάνη Σkριάβιν !!Nsmsh3sSWI3 Tue Apr 7 11:16:38 2015 No.6370528

>>6370518

You're going to need more than "today" for Finnegans Wake. More like a few months, a few pages a day, and half a dozen supplementary books (annotations, lexicons for Gaeilge/Latin/French/German/Whatever else you're illiterate in, a few essaybooks to understand it better in a modern context, etc.)

I'm currently about 200 pages into my copy, and I'm loving it, but it actually requires some time if you want to get anything out of it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:17:30 2015 No.6370531 >>6370490 Let's be real here, every board has shit opinions as soon as they try to talk about "art".

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:18:23 2015 No.6370533 >>6370528 Hm. Sounds a lot like De-Loused In The Comatorium by The Mars Volta.

>>	Νιkονάνη Σkριάβιν !!Nsmsh3sSWI3 Tue Apr 7 11:18:24 2015 No.6370534 File: 33 KB, 267x320, spuck.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6370531 Art... is a beautiful flower -- that smells bad.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:19:12 2015 No.6370537 >>6370505 Someone who writes cheery, joyus stories that occasionally reflect on the darker side of life by having a character go through a heartache.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:19:33 2015 No.6370538 >>6370534 Point in case.

>>	Νιkονάνη Σkριάβιν !!Nsmsh3sSWI3 Tue Apr 7 11:19:34 2015 No.6370539 >>6370533 So you're saying you have terrible taste in music as well?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:21:27 2015 No.6370544 >>6370528 Reading the plot summary on Wikipedia as we speak. Much easier and less time consuming than all the effort you went through.

>>	Νιkονάνη Σkριάβιν !!Nsmsh3sSWI3 Tue Apr 7 11:22:15 2015 No.6370547 File: 43 KB, 780x520, 1426187132998.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>6370544

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:22:37 2015 No.6370548 >>6370544 Touché.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:23:38 2015 No.6370550 >tago mago >very experimental >slightly weird psych rock album released during the same time period free improvisation began Jeez

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:25:57 2015 No.6370559 >>6370544 Jesus dude.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:26:09 2015 No.6370562 >>6370550 Not to even count the serialism and atonality of classical music that happened decades before that.

>>	Νιkονάνη Σkριάβιν !!Nsmsh3sSWI3 Tue Apr 7 11:26:32 2015 No.6370564 >>6370550 > free improvisation > very experimental > slightly weird instruments doing weird things during the same time Ferneyhough and Hübler were composing Jeez

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:28:17 2015 No.6370572 >>6370559 now I've finished the book I'm reading amazon to find out what I think about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:30:15 2015 No.6370579 >>6370564 Non-classical music is always decades behind classical music.

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:30:30 2015 No.6370580

I really love this attitude of
>only what I want can be experimental
and
>it's not experimental enough
really mature, not adolescent and desperate for validation at all. I'm sure all great thinkers were like that instead of accepting all interesting variations that came.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:31:33 2015 No.6370584 >>6370580 this is what happens when you let /mu/ in, namedropping and trying to one up things that don't have a scale and shouldn't have one.

Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:31:41 2015 No.6370586

>>6370528
Sorry, but this was an impenetrable mess. For academics only. I have a Master';s degree and several hours of advanced study beyond, and I am no slouch in the brains department, so I'm told, but this thing...The layers of meaning hinge so critically on classical studies and extensive knowledge of classical languages that I was reduced to a bystander musing at a babbling rant. Can't decide whether to reevaluate Joyce's genius, feel duped by an incredible literary joke, or write the whole thing off as pompous pretense. Probably just not the book for me.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:32:05 2015 No.6370589 >>6370518 >Hey, guys what authors should I namedrop so girls see me as an autistic poet when I'm out partying Looks like /mu/ is in the house

>>	Νιkονάνη Σkριάβιν !!Nsmsh3sSWI3 Tue Apr 7 11:32:19 2015 No.6370590 >>6370579 The point is that it's retarded to compare things based on "amount of experimentialityness" or whatever /mu/ does these days

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:35:50 2015 No.6370606 >>6370590 /mu/ is a shithole, but if you take any discussion here on 4chan seriously there's something wrong with you. If I wanted to discuss things I'll do it at my university.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:37:06 2015 No.6370612 >>6370606 >joke's on them >I was just being retarded on purpose

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:37:50 2015 No.6370613 >>6370584 because /lit/'s obsession with one upping each other with "difficult" pomo and modernist crap isn't at all pointless namedropping. it's serious

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:38:50 2015 No.6370617 >>6370453 Everything wrong with /mu/ in one post. Mutants are literally pure cancer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:39:12 2015 No.6370620 >>6370606 4chan is nothing but the sum of all anons posting here, if you take it seriously and discuss things in it like an adult, then the website itself would be serious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:40:23 2015 No.6370627 >>6370620 Unfortunately we both know that's not going to be the case.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:43:59 2015 No.6370635 >>6370620 Truth. >>6370613 >>6370627 Nothing worse than a naive cynicism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:44:51 2015 No.6370640 What board is the most populated by philistines?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:46:13 2015 No.6370644 >itt: /lit/ thinks they're not as shit as /mu/ kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:50:02 2015 No.6370659 >>6370644 >implying /mu/ didn't flood /lit/ half a year ago >implying /lit/ in its essence isn't a wise and cosy place free of judgement

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 11:58:29 2015 No.6370690 >>6370564 >Ferneyhough and Hübler >very experimental >regular instruments sounding like they're being simultaneously tuned during the same time I recorded myself farting the melodies of ancient Eastern throat singers Jeez

>>	Νιkονάνη Σkριάβιν !!Nsmsh3sSWI3 Tue Apr 7 12:02:01 2015 No.6370697 >>6370690 > Eastern butthole singing > very experimental > something that actually makes sound during the same time I've put out my ears and cut out the portion of my brain responsible for auditory function Jeez

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 12:37:21 2015 No.6370795 >>6370531 >>6370534 yeah, but /mu/ lacks any self awareness in this regard. especially /Classical/.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 12:40:47 2015 No.6370804 >>6370659 Wasn't*

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 7 13:51:03 2015 No.6371077 >>6370635 >Nothing worse than a naive cynicism. very true. it's like trying to talk with an edgy teen who doesn't realize that while he's misinterpreting nihilism his peers are accomplishing things.

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